John Lennox answers your questions on God, science and faith
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- Justin hosts a Premier Unbelievable? Live Q&A with Prof John Lennox. In partnership with Kharis Productions and Pensmore Films, producers of Against The Tide, the movie documentary of John's life .
Hundreds of viewers watched live and submitted questions to John. Iain Morris, director of Against The Tide also joins the conversation.
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Love this man. Lennox is my all time favorite debater. He's an inspiration because of his depth and gracious approach to public discourse. I'm thankful that he's well.
Ah I couldn’t disagree more.
I mean, obviously I’m glad he’s healthy and I do think he’s very polite and intelligent, but I can’t stand the way he debates.
He can some make thoughtful points, but he often makes these grand unfounded assertions in the course that he just sweeps under the rug.
He makes a fairly well known claim regarding miracles, that god “feeds” an event in. Well how the hell does he know?! I’ve watched several of his debates and he has never once provided any sort of support for this belief, argument is a stretch. I’m not even saying he’s wrong, but he provides absolutely nothing to say he’s right.
He does this with so many other claims in various debates. I could understand this in philosophical discourse, but he discusses these claims with scientists as if they’re on the same level as the scientific facts being presented. Which in unequivocally not the case.
@@sumo1203 he’s a fucking imbecile! Obviously indoctrinated as a child! Today they call it , rightly, child abuse 👍
👍can't agree enough, he, his nature, etc. brings me joy
@@kevinholly5517 that isn't really respectful. Is it?
@@kevinholly5517 your response encapsulates the religion of atheism. Bravo
I love John Lennox. Im 21 years old and I have shared some of the things he has taught with friends and family. I can already imagine other people looking at me weird for listening to an old man like him lol. But to me, he is full of knowledge of the word and has this incredible capacity of connecting it contemporary subjects and dismantle false arguments. I wish I could buy all his books, but they are quite expensive (have them all the way to Mexico). I don't know if John will read this, but if he does I would like to say May God keep blessing you and your family with great health and wisdom through Jesus Christ.
The only negative side of this is that I didn't know about this interview!!! I have met Dr John very recently, and undoubtedly he has taken me forward and nearer to faith as never before. I am also very happy to find this new channel. Please, keep this amazing job up! Many blessings💟
My favourite speaker,, his wisdom, graciousness and sense of humour!
Like his Tory and Trumper friends.
John Lennox has one of the best ministries in the UK today, I love his respectful and gracious tone, as well as the clarity with which he expresses his views.
I loooooove John Lennox as a speaker and thinker ❤❤❤ thank you for this talk
It is so comforting to know there are men equipped with the grey matter that makes sense of hard things in God's word .
Interesting that God puts an amazing desire to find Him.
Mr. Lennox is like,... my grandpa. One of my heros. Top ten people who influneced me as well as William L Craig. Thank you for the volumes of information & education you've left me. Plus all of the homework you've given us. Lol. I love it!!!!!
~Enjoy Dr. John Lennox very much. Anytime I see his name....I want to listen.❤
As well as his brilliance and the encouragement he gives us, on top of all that, John is a warm and charming man. Thank you John
Much respect to John he speaks with such confidence because he's a true believer!
That’s a non sequitur.
@@Jonas-gl9ke LOL don't get upset Jonas.
@@tyronelol Poor logic doesn’t upset me.
@@Jonas-gl9ke
Mad atheist is mad lol. So what are your beliefs regarding the origin of the Universe? (won't answer the question)
@@tyronelol Let me see…. Your idea of logic is, “John Lennox speaks with confidence because he’s a true believer”. You’ve asserted I’m “upset”, asserted I’m “mad” and now you want to have a conversation about the origins of the universe? I’m not even sure how you’re able to breath and type at the same time. Will it impress you if I put a few “LOLs” or “😭” at the end of my comment? What if I give my own comment a 👍🏻?
I just ordered the movie. I look forward to watching it. I have a more direct and rough nature. My years in the Marine Corps did not help. I aspire to be direct and kind the way John Lennox is. I have a few apologies greats that I admire. John’s at the top of the short last.
John Lennox. Great Christian apologist. May God bless his ministry
Listening to John Lennox speak in person is on my bucket list!
Absolutely brilliant John. God has certainly gifted you with a great talent for making sense of our faith
I have just treated myself to your film for a Christmas present , and intend to share it with others.
Can't wait to watch it!.
God bless and thank you and Justin and the other chaps.
Merry Christmas.
🤣🤣you intellectually challenged (can’t think for themselves people) make me laugh 🤣! Don’t worry though, I will think for the likes of you and that leprechaun , you keep praying to one of a thousand Gods that you were indoctrinated when you was a kid 🤣
@@kevinholly5517 oh dear, you do have issues don't you.
Something tells me that the mere fact you are so offensive to our God that something happened to make you like this.
I only have compassion for you, and have no wish to insult you back. Hope you find your way.
@@beemer2869 don’t you realise what a prat you sound ? “…our God..” 🤣🤣🤣 I suppose you think the Earth is 6,000 years old as well and evolution is just a theory🤣🤣🤣🤣! You people do make me laugh! I’ll keep thinking for you and I hope you’re brain develops more than it’s at, at the moment! (Three year old waiting for Father Christmas) 🤣🤣🤣Thanks for making me laugh 👍
@@kevinholly5517 yep, He is your God too. Merry Christmas.
@@kevinholly5517 Sorry to say but you have some serious issues with politeness and maturity, I would love you to be more kind mouthed and nice leaving aside our beliefs and ideologies, you are making atheism look anything but good
Greetings from Lebanon
Dr Lennox is in the zone. God bless him and may God give him more intellectual revelations as to persuade the sincere atheists to come to the knowledge of the saving grace.
Keep taking your tablets. So many people like you and Lennox that can’t think for themselves and have to brainwashed into believing myths and man made Gods to rule over your life and thinking. Oh dear! The 21st century and still morons like you believe if in fairy tales🤣🤣No hope for ya I’m afraid! You pray for me and I’ll think for you 🤣🤣
@@kevinholly5517 Let me tell you something. I'm from middle east. I'm an apologist, polemicist, interpreter and author of few books related to exposing Islam and other heretical groups. I acquired these gifts AFTER I believed in our triune God. My IQ increased exponentially thanks to God who will kick your butt to hell in case you don't repent to Jesus.
I'm afraid you were abused in your childhood which resulted in your bum-state-like atheist. You still have hope. Never miss out on your lifetime opportunity.
@@bernardb1075 get a life you idiot, before it’s to late! There is only one God and that’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster! There is more evidence for him than your shy God! Bone cancer in kids, what’s that all about? Now go and write a book about that! Oh how many of Your stupid God’s creatures sinned? Some of them are born into misery! Oh don’t tell me they ate off the forbidden tree of knowledge 🤣🤣! Just listen to yourself and that Stone Age book of yours! I mean the 10 commandments 🤣🤣 there were supposedly 159 or so of them! However, only enough time and space to write 10 of them on a block of stone 🤣🤣. Number 11 should have read, ‘ thou shall keep slaves’ Number 12 “ thou shall kill new born babies” yourGod is one sick depraved deity! Now go and get a proper education and write something truthful, like evolution and basic cosmology!.. Now run along and tend to your sheep, ye devoid of common sense!…. I’ll keep thinking for you, until you see the light!!
Happy pagan day everyone xx
@@bernardb1075 you should expose your own man made religion, before you expose your others! The God delusion’ by the great Richard Dawkins, is a good start!…. Then try and debate Matt Dillahunty! He wipes the floor with you brainwashed indoctrinated, religious freaks! All you can keep on cherry picking the bible nonsense to suite your twisted agenda!
Gotta love John Lennox
John has such a wonderful disposition and one will really sense he has really wrestled with the relationship with Science and Christianity.
I would love to ask him which he would prefer…an hour in prayer and Bible reading or an hour with Jesus at Starbucks over a latte.
I’m willing to bet the farm that I know how he would answer.
@@mr.c2485 Most, if not all, Christians will desire the latter.
God bless these 2 men to the glory of His Name, Jesus Christ, Amen.
hi Jonh and Justin, another treasure you have here. Thank you!
Great thoughts and explanations, thank you :)
This is such a useful channel not afraid to tackle difficult questions in honest and well thought out ways. I met another John Lennox somewhere else and wonder if they are related!
Love this ❤️
Great video!
Love Grandpa Lennox!
He's like Santa Claus without a beard, love him
Love this man of God! There is no greater compliment than to say...the truth he shares has changed my life and my daughter's life. Well done gentlemen!!
“The truth he shares”… 🤣🤣🤣A book that was made up to support slavery, murder of children and sacrifices 🤣🤣🤣He’s a nut case like the likes of you, that believe in fairy tales and fascist doctrines!
John Lennox is the man
God led me to John, at a time when I felt "science" was winning, bearing me down, as I had no answers. When God takes Him, Christianity will lose a giant.
Thankfully he will leave a beautiful and powerful legacy of work like this.
I love to study and compare the countenances of Believers and Atheists. In the face of John Lennox I see Joy and "the sheer wonder of the Love of God". In the face of Christopher Hitchens I see... Atheism.
A used car salesman never expresses his emotional state to his prospects. It is not smart to judge the validity of arguments by the body language of the person holding them.
Love him. He sounds straight from LOTR.
Yesss!!! Love this man!!
Lennox is great
Only just found this....so encouraging. I often think why "intelligent" people struggle with God when science points the way....maybe because to have belief in Creation then one would have to believe in a Creator, and with that goes a responsibility...maybe people don't want to be responsible for what goes on in their life.
don't forget the Bible says, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children". He does this because "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise". Those "intelligent" people won't know the truth unless they change their hearts and go towards God.
Thanks for another excellent interview. Amusing that Harris honestly expects people to take him seriously when he says that "religion is never challenged". What planet did he grow up on? Dune?
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A wonderful episode with Dr. Lennox and Justin. But with every discussion on apologetics, I think we need to underline and put to the forefront that people do not make decisions based upon “truth” or “evidence”. Some do, sometimes, but most often people make decisions based upon what is “comfortable” or “safe” for them.
For example, people stay in certain religious groups because of family and the safety net that one’s culture provides. Atheists (which are very religious people) fall into this same camp. Maslow’s hierarchy of human needs does not even contain a reference to “truth”. All our basic human needs are other things than what is bottom-line truth.
Are we not willing to include this truth (that people do not follow truth but instead choose comfort, safety, human relationships, etc) because we want to keep people listening to our “apologetic/logical programs”? Let’s face the facts. I say we need to continue to argue the truth and present the evidence, but always say that people generally hold positions because of other factors.
I notice that Lennox takes a somewhat poetic approach to knowledge… of logos and word-based reality. Not saying that it is wrong, but I can see how it wouldn’t fly for the stauncher materialist
Lennox explains in some debate/discussion that life/existence does not consist merely of the material. For example, ideas, the meaning of things, are not material.
John lenex is truly true speaker and God believer .
Dear Dr. Lennox: Are you familiar with the recent work of.Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson, PhD in biology from Harvard, whose book is The New History of THE Human Race?
I don't believe in debates or arguments or even discussion as it's all just "pearls to swine", but I still appreciate John Lennox. He's an invaluable resource for those already along the same wavelength and sincerely open-minded.
I fear many don’t want to “debate” because we forgot how to debate graciously, respectfully, and with an openness that each of us is probably wrong in some aspect of our views
I find this very interesting since my last studies encourage dialogue instead of debate. I am anyways reconsidering debate and its value.
Seek on TH-cam for, "Does God exist? String Theory says, "Yes!" But...!?", Can this be a possible explanation?
Thanks for doing this! Live Q&As are so much better.
Not all heroes wear capes, some teach mathematics at Oxford.
I just ordered my copy of Against the Tide! Thank you for making this movie!
Me too, look forward to see it. 😊👍
Thank you, love you both, John and Justin ♥ really looking forward to read his new book (and I'm glad John does not share all of Kevin Sorbo's views on politics and COVID). Merry Christmas 😊
My fave apologist.
John, the good example of a born again, humble and wise person.
More like ‘ a typical brainwashed, nonsensical, indoctrinated person” oh dear! And he teaches at a University! No wonder our kids our delusional half witted dumb imbeciles 🤣🤣
@@kevinholly5517 When I read your response I don't know who you are, but I do know WHAT you are. Dream on tough guy.
@@gijsje117 ??? Fantastic response 🤣🤣bet it took you a long time to come up with it 🤣🤣🤣oh dear!!
@@kevinholly5517 At least I am decent and respectful in my language. Something that often does not grace you kind of people....
@@gijsje117 “…you kind of people” what does that even mean???.. If I can give you some advice, please read a science, cosmology or even better a book about evolution? For the sake of mankind, you kind of people 🤣 have seriously got to think for themselves before it’s too late! All the best and may your God ( 0f about another 1000 fictitious monotheist gods) be with you 👍
Dr.John Lennox, since James Webb Telescope is about to launch, how will the discovery of alien life, humans also, impact Christianity?
It won’t
I like how he said theres not even an argument against God.
Quran asks with exclamation: In God there is doubt? Originator of heavens and earth!
Surah Ibrahim, Verse 10:
قَالَتْ رُسُلُهُمْ أَفِي اللَّهِ شَكٌّ فَاطِرِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ يَدْعُوكُمْ لِيَغْفِرَ لَكُم مِّن ذُنُوبِكُمْ وَيُؤَخِّرَكُمْ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى قَالُوا إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا تُرِيدُونَ أَن تَصُدُّونَا عَمَّا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ آبَاؤُنَا فَأْتُونَا بِسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ
Their Messengers said: "What! Can there be a doubt about Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? He calls you, that He may forgive for you . your sins and give you respite for a term appointed." They said: "You are no more than human beings like us! You wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to worship. Then bring us a clear authority i.e. a clear proof of what you say)."
(English - Mohsin Khan)
via iQuran
ما يتم تأكيده بدون دليل يمكن رفضه بدون دليل.
There doesn't need to be an argument against god. All the arguments for a god are terrible to begin with!
@3:30 "giving lectures all around the world" ? Did you come to Africa?
He has, I believe. He hapoened to mention it in anither video I saw recently. I can't recall the title but I am sure you could Google it.
16:30. Pantheism leads to only one conclusion: God and man are one and the same. This is the cornerstone of all Eastern religions and philosophies. Since there is no creator- creation difference, the Eastern religions and philosophies have diverse and complicated views to explain what human life is. But at the end, it is only an abstract reasoning or they end up with a God created by the philosopher.
The real question with thesecso-called apologists is
are the misunderstandings of science deliberate?
If you like this type of content..... check out Socrates in the City....
"I'm not an atheist because I'm a scientist." I wonder when that will ever become 'normal'...? Doesn't mean the evidence supports Christianity (specifically)...but the evidence most definitely supports just about everything that the majority of scientists insist that it does not support (and getting more convincing by the day). A somewhat curious situation. Intelligent people behaving not-intelligently.
GREAT VIDEO. John Lennox is ALWAYS so winsome in his demeanor and articulation of his beliefs and in answering hard questions. I absolutely love him. He is a joy to watch and listen to and a treasured asset to the body of believers, esp. those with scientific background. I have used his books and videos over and over again in my efforts to witness. I'm wondering however if you or John have ever researched the matter of Paul, i.e. whether he was a legitimate apostle, or a false one, one who taught much false doctrine, esp. that of doing away with the Eternal Law, as no longer needed, doing away with repentance and obedience, and providing abundant fodder for "Cheap Grace", and "the Trinity", and other nonsense, etc.? I know your first knee-jerk reaction will be to pounce all over this as heresy, and insist, "You just don't understand Paul", but I do understand him, and I challenge you to give it serious, Berean, prayerful study. It will be a paradigm shift, and no less revolutionary than the one inspired by Copernicus, (though Copernicus ended up being wrong after all). In Matthew 24, Jesus EXPLICITLY warned us to BEWARE of false prophets and false Christs, and if someone showed up in the desert (Road to Damascus) claiming to be him, he should NOT believe it or follow after it, because when Jesus comes back it will be like lightning from east to west for the whole world to see at the same time. Paul, who NEVER heard Jesus teach, NEVER even met him in the flesh, would NOT be aware of this warning by him, and Paul did EXACTLY what Jesus said NOT to do. So WHO are you going to believe, Paul OR Jesus? Paul NEVER quoted Jesus, NEVER taught what he taught, and in fact taught the OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught, and NEVER even went to the disciples to learn from them, disciples who were with Jesus "in the flesh", day in and day out for 3 1/2 years. That is why Paul only taught Jesus' DEATH, and NOT his LIFE or his TEACHINGS. Paul thought himself SUPERIOR to the TRUE apostles, claiming he didn't need to learn from them because he got his knowledge from direct, personal visions of Jesus. How is this different than John Smith and other would-be prophets who believe they have received updated information/revelation? And why would our Lord choose the twelve, to have them be a witness ONLY for a couple years, and then be rendered obsolete as Jesus appointed a NEW apostle to teach a NEW Gospel, that their work was superceded, and they, even though supposedly called "friends" of Jesus, were never given a heads-up or warning that this was the NEW PLAN? Paul was only SELF-appointed and didn't even meet the Acts 1 requirements for apostleship. His 3 alleged "conversion" stories all contradict each other and has no witness to it. The TRUE apostles, those CHOSEN by Jesus (Yahushua), CALLED OUT Paul and REJECTED him, as did Jesus himself (Rev. 2) - Also Paul was rejected by the first Christians known as the Ebionites, and Paul's heresy was only resurrected with Marcion in the 2nd century. The evidence against this arrogant, lying, deceiving, blaspheming, murderous and odious human being is monumental, ONCE your eyes have been opened. But we have been brainwashed by Paul for so long, centuries and centuries, and by alleged "Pillars of the Faith" like Augustine and Calvin and Luther, that it seems heresy to even dare to question him. 99% of Christendom is under his spell. He is surely AN, if not THE, Antichrist we've been warned about. I urge you, and John Lennox, and anyone reading this comment, to investigate for yourself the truth about Paul. The salvation that Jesus (Yahoshua) was, and taught, is NOT what Paul taught, so your eternal destiny may hinge on whether you do this research or not. Thanks again for the video, and the resources you mentioned. I will certainly look into them.
@ktownbball ktownbball That's what I warned against - a knee-jerk reaction without due diligence. Your choice.
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most recent savior-myth story. Example as follows, from the book, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
Justin is occasionally slipping in to the ''raised inflection'' be careful Justin.
God doesn't force us to do what pleases Him. He gives us the ability to choose to do what's right along with the reason to obey Him. It's when we are convinced of what's right that enables us to do what's right which is *by drawing near* to the Lord and the truth of His word. It's not magic, it's by reason and logic. Purify your hearts and cleans your minds.
Wonderful LIVE session! Thank you for putting it together.
It was not live. It was pre-recorded and the questions in the chat were not answered by the guests. Seems like there must be some paywalled area they are pulling questions from.
@@jimcummins1543 either way, it was a great session
Lennox is amazing! Thank you for doing this!
I wish i was smart enough to understand all this 😅
He don’t understand it himself! It’s called bull shit 🤣if you understood you’ll be brainwashed and indoctrinated yourself xx count your blessings you can’t understand it 🤣🤣🥰That Lennox bloke is a disgrace to his profession!!!
@@kevinholly5517Verbal abuse is not an argument. Just means you don't have any ideas to challenge his.
Plantinga is a feeble sophist. A word smith
I love to guys.
Matter can't make itself and matter can't direct itself, neither can energy.
And your end point is? What? God did it and is the only possible explanation?
@@therick363 Creation is evident. Just understand that you have a Creator. Only your Creator can re create you again. Why the hard feelings?
@@JungleJargon creation is not e evident.
No hard feeling till believers act superior and and talk down to those who don’t hold their views.
And course when believers dodge questions as is often.
@@therick363 Speak for yourself. Creation is evident. Matter cannot make or direct itself and neither can energy. Show me matter and energy making and directing itself. No magical morphing monkeys allowed. ‼️ 🚫🪄⚡💥🔥🐒🦧🦍‼️ Don't complain. Prove it! ‼️
@@JungleJargon there’s that arrogance and rudeness. It’s funny you say speak for myself-I have been. Also saying “creation is evident” does not make it some ultimate fact.
“Don’t complain”. I’m not not. I pointing out things. You are the one sounding like someone complaining.
“Prove it”. You haven’t proved your thing!! You are doing that typical thing where if we can’t explain something or have an answer for it that you think it makes your explanation automatically proven….it doesn’t.
You ask to be shown energy making itself…never said it did or didn’t.
“No magical monkeys allowed”….talk about rudeness. Are you able to have an adult conversation or can you only behave like a child and have double standards?
Science cannot prove that God does or does not exist because it is beyond its area of competence.
Correct, atheistic scientism is poison.
This was so excellent. I loved it. Thank you John.
Love it
Here's my question:
How is it that John Lennox know so much about a god he has never seen?
If God was made of matter, he would decay like all of us, but God doesn't live according to the laws of nature because he is the one who created them. God exists outside of space, time and matter. But what connects this to the history most people know, is that the son of God came into flesh nearly 2,000 years ago and his name is Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus, that John knows so much about God. You can learn about God too, if you declare with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him form the dead, you will be saved. Certainly, he will come into your heart and he will reveal to you the things you don't understand right now. I hope you do, I love you and I would love for you to experience the love Jesus has shown me and many others. He is just waiting on you, and I wish you the best.
@@marcocortes9968 Atheists often tell people that believing in something without proof or scientific evidence is both irrational and stupid what do you have to say about this?
Evolutionary theory is being refined, but that doesnt mean so-called macro evolution has been shown to be false. Most evolutionists view macro evolution as micro evolution over very long periods of time. As a non-biologist he typically quotes a handful of scientists who have doubts about evolution despite the vast majority of biologists accepting it as the truth. For anyone interested in Christians who accept evolutionary theory, Id recommend the Biologos site.
I find Lennox's approach to Genesis 1 and 2 rather odd. He seems to want to understand some of it as literal history, and other parts metaphorical or some such view. He rejects a 'day' as a literal 24 hour period, because he believes the science that says the universe is 14.5 billion years old, and the earth around 4 billion years old. He knows the evidence is overwhelming. But he then views the story of the first man and woman to be literal history, as if that is what you would have seen if youd had a video camera at the time. But why the need for a 'special creation' when God had used evolution over those very long periods of time for the development for the rest of life? Biologically we are still animals, even if made in His image. I suspect our image-bearing is more to do with our consciousness of self, rather than our physicality.
The distinction between the Creator and the Creation is important. Simply claiming the Universe is God answers nothing.
I differ with Lennox theologically, but he is such a wonderful example of a Christian. Thanks for featuring him regularly on this program, it's good to hear from him.
So, which one of you are going to be saved?
@@peaceful_warrior7627 - neither of our theologies can make specific pronouncements about who will 100% be 'saved' so to speak, as that's up to God to judge. But, broadly speaking, both of our theologies make it possible for both of us to be saved.
@@emiliawisniewski3947 Interesting, thanks
I think him and Ravi have been the God sent people that really helped me pull through my doubts.
So many people here in Zambia Africa have been assisted through the dabates he has had.
Somebody please purchase his books for me.
I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster! He got me through my depression, suicide thoughts and my masters degree! Hail the spaghetti monster! 🤣
Your Faith.
God is the param atma, the concious mind of the universe and beyond. The WORD of God is in God and is God. The Spirit of God is in God and is God. The Word and Spirit of God can be with God and it can go to perform the bidding of God. Hence God is the param atma with His Word and Spirit. This is known as the Trinity. An example of the sun will clarify this aspect. The sun has two other elements viz. Heat and light. The heat of the sun its light and the sun is not three sun but one sun, like the Word of God and Spirit of God and God is one God. The heat and light of the sun, is in the sun and yet at the same time can be on earth or any other place. Similarly the Word and Spirit of God is with God and at the same time manifest anywhere, but all these make only one God. The three persons in one God forms God like the three sides of a triangle. Even if one side is missing it cannot be called a triangle. These are simple examples for understanding and cannot be considered otherwise.
God created the universe, the angles and all other creation including human beings. The angles and human being have the spirit of God, which is also referred as the soul. The angels and human beings have a free will. Even to disobey God. The law says disobedience to God's command is sin and the punishment for sin is death.
Lucifer and some of his angles revolted against God, when God made man the steward of creation. God threw Satan and his fallen angels on to the earth where they rule now.
Satan swore to destroy man, Gods favorite creation and for this he tempted Adam and Eve and caused them to sin. They disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam and eve were also thrown into this world, where satan was already shunted from heaven.
Result of their disobedience was death of body and soul. Law was same for humans and for Satan and his followers. However Satan revolted against God by his own free will, fully knowing the consequences and was not tricked by anyone but Adam and Eve were tricked by Satan.
God therefore in His wisdom promised a MASSIAH to save human beings from this punishment. Since human beings had disobeyed God, humans must face the judgment and punishment. One man who is sinless and a human being, can die to redeem all humankind. He would be the Messiah.
Since God had promised this messiah, God had to provide. In order to have such a person, the Word of God, which is God, had to incarnate as a human being, because only a human being's death, can fulfill the law and redeem humankind from the punishment of the law.
Two thousand years ago, the word of God became man. The man was born to a virgin woman, by the overshadowing of the holy spirit of God, who is also God, third person from the Trinity. Jesus was therefore perfect God and perfect man. Since Jesus was born of the spirit. Jesus became the son of God as He was begotten by God. The word of God took the title of Son of God, as a human being. Jesus was God because He is the Word incarnate and also human Son of God, because he was son of Mary, a human being. Therefore He was a perfect and sinlesshuman being. Once this is clear, you will have no confusion of the divinity of Jesus.
During the lifetime of jesus He projected Himself both as man with human qualities and as God, revealing divine qualities. Both these personalities are distinct and can be projected according to the circumstances.
That is why Jesus claim divinity with God, because of Word of God in Him and at other times jesus projected Himself as human, who is totally dependent on God. The sayings of Jesus must be seen in this light, as to who is speaking and the context, or else we will misunderstand the Bible. you will see both the human and divine aspect clearly.
For example jesus was tempted by the devil, Mathew chapter 4 verses 1 to 11., jesus felt hungry and thirsty. It was the human Jesus, who was tempted and not the divine Jesus. Human jesus had fear of death, as we see His prayers in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus knew He would be forsaken, as jesus the word of God, being God could not die. Gospel of Mark chapter 14 verses 32 onwards. Jesus the human being was destined to be crucified. Hence jesus the God had to forsake the human jesus, to go for crucifixion as a human jesus. That is why we hear jesus crying out from the cross to God, asking why he was forsaken. Gospel of Mark chapter 15 verses 33 onwards.p God knows that jesus the human must pay the price to liberate mankind. Alternatively we see the divine nature of Jesus. His miracles, especiallythe healing of the paralyticman ,Mathew chapter 9 verses one onwards. Here Jesus says, take heart my son, your sins are forgiven. Only God can forgive sin. By this act of forgiving sin Jesus show His divinity. It is the Word of God in Jesus was speaking. The act of Jesus cleansing the temple Mathew chapter 21 verses 12 onwards. The turning of tables of money changers in Jerusalem temple. Chasing the traders of doves and other sacrificial animals would under normal circumstances be a sin, If jesus the human had done this. It would be sinful of beating and destroying property of others. Similarly Jesus calls the phrases a brood of vipers hippocrites. These would be sinful for human Jesus, but these acts are not sinful, for Jesus the Word of God who has the authority to punish.
So the distinction is clear, of God Jesus, as God Jesus can do all these acts but human Jesus doing them would be sinful.
The God Jesus was all powerful. We see
that nature and its law obeying God Jesus, tells us about His divinity ,being the Word of God.
However, the human Jesus was forsaken by the Word of God, when He was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane. John chapter 18 verses 4 onwards. The Word of God distanced from human Jesus. It was the human jesus who was to be crucified and die for all mankind to fulfill the Law and the judgment, thereby redeeming all mankind. When Jesus said I am He the people who came to arrest Jesus drew back and fell to the ground. From that point onwards Jesus the human being went as human for the crucifixion.
When that mission was over, God the Father shifted Himself from being a judge, to again being the Father, as the Law was fulfilled. He once again became Father to Adam and eve and their descendents.
After jesus died, the Word of God again entered into the lifeless body of jesus and resurrected Him. Jesus regained His divinity as the Word of God is now once again is in Him. Jesus then regained paradise, went to hades to liberate the souls there and on the third day appeared on the earth.
When jesus was on this earth before His death, his divinity and humanity could be split, but after the resurrection His humanity is merged for ever in the Divinity . Therefore jesus is God because of the Word of God is in Him. He still has His human nature and that's why He is seated at the right hand of the Father. That is why Jesus the human is prophet, priest and king.
After the death of Jesus on the cross the Law being fulfilled, the judging God became Father God and Jesus became God's Son, two thousand years ago, when God bigotened Him. Jesus was God because He is the incarnated Word, when He was upon the earth. The Word of God is NOW know as the Son of God. That is why Christians belive the Father, Son and the Holy spirit is the Trinity, which earlier was known as Father, Word of God and Holy SpiritofGod.
This divine human jesus will come again soon, to judge the world and then rule over His kingdom for thousand year.
You must believe that Jesus is your redeemer and live by His command, only then, you will not have to go through the judgment route, all other people, will have to go through judgment. Now is the time to make your decision. Do you want to be saved by the grace of Jesus, which He has gained by His obedience to the Fathers command to die on the cross for all humanity. All mankind is saved. The condition is to accept Jesus as your Savior and to live by His teachings. If you fulfill both these conditions then you will not be judged but is saved by Jesus or you choose the judgment route, where you will have to answer for your life. If your life is blameless then you may receive the mercy of God and get everlasting life in God's kingdom. Why wait for judgment, it is wiser to be saved by Jesus when we are on earth and avoid judgment. The choice is ours.
This interpretation will answer all questions.
Can God incarnate as human. The answer is yes. The Word of God incarnated as a human jesus. However human cannot be God. That is why Jesus is perfect God and perfect mam.
How Jesus is God, because Jesus is the incarnation of the Word of God, who is God, the second person of trinity.
How jesus is the son of God, because God has begotten Jesus through Mary, two thousand years ago. as a human jesus, who as man must die for the sins of all mankind.
This proves Jesus the man died not as God because God cannot die.
Jesus is now in heaven after His resurrection and is God because He is now the Word of God. The human jesus is seated at the right hand of God as prophet, priest and king. You cannot now have a split, of the personality of jesus, as divinity is merged in the humanity of Jesus. That is why we now say the Trinity as Father, Son and the Holy spirit. Three persons in ONE God
George Varghese
19:11 How does this confirm Molenism?
“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 10:13 ESV
Why didn't God "instantiate" the world where Tyre and Sidon could have seen the mighty works of Jesus so they could repent? Because God didn't choose to give them faith to repent and be saved.
Because God isn't obliged to anyone to do things as we think.
The simple fact that Christ himself said Tyre and Sidon would repent if certain circumstances were in their favor suggests a molinistic view.
Christ is not talking about faith here but simply about acts he have done.
God is a Calvinist.
@@nevin8604 My point was that this passage is more likely to suggest a Calvinistic viewpoint because since God didn't enact these preconditions for their repentance thus He didn't choose them for salvation. We know that if God wants someone to be saved in an efficient way He creates these preconditions, like with Cornelius. Cornelius was a "good soil" for the Gospel and God sent his messenger, so he could hear the Gospel and believe. Potentially God can save everyone, however this is not happening. Any soil can become good if a farmer fertilises it well.
@@mr.c2485 You forgot to add a smiley face.
@@SL-dq5bz the idea of calvinism is that God predestines even free will. Free will isn't really a choice made by minds but programmed by God in that sense.
Only in molinistic view, free will actually exist which is truly free. So you are actually a molinist. In such a view, the choice only changes for different circumstances which is what you are saying.
I don't deny that God didn't choose people for salvation. But that doesn't or shouldn't make me a calvinist.
Salvation
The secret to winning over the emotions of any audience, is to tell them what they want to hear. The fact is, that before Judaism, there were many other religions with favorite myths of their own. At one time Jews believed in many gods, until one group of Jews decided that if they created the one-god dogma of monotheism, every person on earth would have to join their religion if they wanted to be "saved." As history proved, that worked against their story that the Jews were God's chosen few, when along came a group of Jews that thought about how they could create a son of the Jewish god, that would materialize on earth to teach the one and only truth, that only through Jesus could anyone be saved ... and that was the start of the Christian religion, with Catholicism becoming predominant. And then, the Muslims got in the act, claiming that the one God (Allah, which is the Islamic word for God) favored only Muslims. Then the Protestants got into the act, by claiming that only they were favorites of Jesus.
You will see the lies, but only if, and when, you are “willing” to see them. Been there ... did that.
For those who seek truth, the best thing to do is set up some criteria for a true religion. Unbiased seekers will soon realize that only one religion meets all of the criteria.
Religion is like money; it is hard to know which one is authentic there are so many counterfeit ones around. God bless you in your search.
@@kuhullan
Those who are seeking truth, will never proclaim to know truth, and that is why preachers of religion are all untrustworthy.
Does Prof Lennox think a mind (God's) has anything to do with the universe? If so, why does he think that compared to say naturalism in which no mind is required and instead there is just some fundamental field like gravity?
Jim, the answer to your first question would be yes, absolutely. John would say that God created the universe. Perhaps you could rephrase your second question to make it a little clearer.
@@martinharris8645Imagine a universe in which no God exists. Now imagine one where a God's mind exists and he creates universes. Why should we believe the second one where there is this mind without a brain when a natural quantum field seems like a simpler thing as it doesn't need the extra omni properties that actually remove from the simplicity of the metaphysic.
@@jimcummins1543 Jim I can’t claim to completely understand your proposition, however I think the answer to what we should believe lies in what the evidence points to. We know the universe as we understand it (space, matter and time) had a beginning, which means it was caused by something outside the universe. A thing cannot be its own cause. Before then there was, by definition, nothing, certainly nothing we can describe by reference to matter, particles, fields, quantum vacuums, gravity, energy or any other physical phenomena.
We know that the physical constants that were established at the beginning of the universe and which allowed molecules, stars and galaxies to form are infinitesimally finely balanced. So much so that it is generally considered impossible for them to have come about by chance. Indeed, scientists seeking an explanation that avoids the involvement of a ‘mind’ have invented the completely unscientific ‘multiverse’ theory.
So I would say that the scientific evidence points to something, or someone, outside the universe, the so-called uncaused cause, who is the agent who brought about the universe, and who is the intelligence behind the physical laws and constants that sustain it. In other words, the eternal all powerful God of the Bible. I wish you the best of luck in your search and hope you always follow where the evidence leads, not just in the scientific field but in history and personal experience as well.
@@martinharris8645 In my world view a mind is just an emergent property of a brain. When you assert that the most basic thing is a mind/brain then that isn't convincing to me because you are referencing something more complex than a fundamental field as the most fundamental thing. The reason I find a field more simple is because it doesn't require all of the systems that we know support brains. If you don't think minds are physical then I'd ask what evidence you are using to assert that minds are anything but physical? Philosophers agree that a mind is most likely physical so I am not sure what authority you would use to appeal to minds being designed/non-physical?
@@jimcummins1543 In my view, philosophical debates about minutiae can be interesting but don’t answer the big questions; why is there something rather than nothing, and why is the something we have the way it is?
I think scientific evidence is the best starting point and I try to avoid arguing from authority (much better to argue from reason).
As to the nature of the ‘mind’ and ‘fields’ and how these questions might help explain creation, I have no idea.
I was waiting for that movie! And Mikhaila and Sean, yes man. Now you need to bring together prof. Lennox with her dad, because that's what's missing from Dr. Peterson's understanding of Christianity.
Can people be convinced that there is a God by science and intellect or can it only be by being born again by by revelation from God?
From what I understand, C.S. Lewis was convinced through his intellect.. He later came to realize that God was alive. For me personally, I asked God to reveal Himself to me and He did in a miraculous, supernatural way. I got into apologetics after the revelation of Christ.
Religions are predicated on faith.
@@tyronelol Christianity is an evidence based faith.
@@curiousgeorge555
I agree but think the term "evidence" needs to be used carefully because atheists often demand empirical "evidence" for God when their position is belief based also.
Thank you!
His name was Jmmanuel, not Jesus. His biological father was Gabriel, his stepfather was Joshua (or Joseph), and his biological mother was Maria (or Mary). Jmmanuel didn't die on the cross because he did a meditation to keep alive. There are lots of types of meditation, but the exact one he did, I don't know. His family & disciples took him to a cave (doesn't exist anymore) in the back so that the Roman soldiers wouldn't see. Healers from India came to nurse him back to health. Took them three days. When he got better, they all walked to India. Mary died while on the long walk. Jmmanuel made it to India, married an Indian woman and had lots of children. He died either at the age of 111 or 113 years old. This is from the book, The Talmud of Jmmanuel, by Judas Ischkerioth, final draft by "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier (BEAM) & The Plejaren.
Re: 47:00 discussion of "tree of knowledge of good & evil vs tree of life"
The core thing about this is that it doesn't really matter which particular tree it was, - it could have been any tree in the garden. Adam and already knew what good was, it was being in the garden in unhindered communion with God. The knowledge of evil OTOH was something else, in that idyllic place, the only way to experience evil was to rebel/disobey. It was the very act of disobedience that furnished Adam & Eve with the knowledge they had come to desire, as serpent (Satan) knew very well, and they soon discovered that that knowledge wasn't worth having.
I can't believe Lennox tried to use JESUS referencing Tyre, Sidon, and Gomorrah to support Molinism. That was not a defense of those cities merely lacking the experience that could cause them to believe. It is a hyperbolic statement to demonstrate how justified the LORD is in destroying those cities; cities that now reject CHRIST are more justly being judged and condemned. This also is a pointing to the Deity of JESUS that rejecting HIM is a graver offense than just violating the Law.
Funny only an atheist think
They know everything?
While a Christian learns
everything 👍🕊✝️⚘
Funny, Christians think they know more about atheists than actual atheists
but if an atheist says anything about Christians, Christians say atheists don't know what they are talking about.
Dude I try to be respectful to everyone, but did you seriously say Christians learn everything like you're the only ones who do?
@@therick363 dude what I am saying that I am not acting on my own
Opinions but on someone who have more knowledge of the
Truths , I can see that
In the bible, what the atheist base their beliefs and knowledge
On ,other persons?
Jesus's the truth & I don't choose a human being to tell me his truth,
@@jcmrob3723 your saying Jesus said atheists think they know everything? Because even if he did which I seriously doubt, that wouldn’t make it truth or fact.
If you don’t k so what atheists base our knowledge on them don’t talk like you know. We don’t base our knowledge on what some person’s opinions.
@@therick363 I never mention jesus dude , atheist means you don't believe in GOD that means
You know everything to what do you otherwise call
Yourself atheist ,you don't
believe in GOD, GOD he is
To loving ❤ to stop you
From choosing your free destiny hell or heaven up
To you?
@@jcmrob3723 you actually did mention Jesus. Literally in you post.
I want to know how will John explain "Trinity" and how is it different from monotheism and how does he justify it to be monotheism
3 forms of one Deity
Thats way too easy...
Yahweh is one being, three persons.
My 14yr old daughter asked me the same question so I told her to think of the Trinity like an egg. You have the shell, the white and finally the yellow. She got it. Instantly.
@@isanna6075
But, as respectfully as I can say this, that's partialism. That analogy looks at each of the three persons of Yahweh as individual, separate, and incomplete units of the whole; that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not distinct persons of the Godhead, but are merely different parts of God, each composing 1/3 of the Divine in the same way that the shell, the white, and the yolk each compose 1/3 of the egg, and it's an analogy that teaches error about God.
The Father, Son, and Spirit are not "parts of God," but rather, within the one Being that is God, there exists eternally three coequal and coeternal persons.
My favorite apologist. But only because he comes across as such a nice cuddly guy. If you search 'why JL is a christian' he has just the same fallacious personal experience reason as all the rest.
No. So what are your beliefs regarding the origin of the Universe? (won't answer the question)
@@tyronelol Curious which of my points in particular you said 'no' to.
As for the origin of the universe (different topic, but I have a free hour so I'll answer anyway), I don't have a religion that commits me to believe a deity created it, and as far as I know, this question is one of the many man can't answer yet.
@@ohdehhan
I didn't ask about religion I asked what your beliefs are regarding the origin of the Universe since you reject the idea of a Creator(God)?
@@tyronelol I don't have any, but I lean toward the Big Bang. When I was a Christian I believed God created the universe through the Big Bang. Funny, thinking about it now!
@@ohdehhan
Well you do believe the Universe came to be by some means without a Creator(God), hence your rejection of theism.
The big bang theory doesn't answer the question of origins because you're left with the question of where all the matter/energy came from so the big bang could become a possibility. Maybe that's why a Creator used to make sense for you.
Look at the atheists squirm in the presence of truth hahaha much love everyone!
Sorry but we aren’t squirming.
What truth specifically?
@@therick363
So what are your beliefs regarding the origin of the Universe since you reject the idea of a Creator(God)?
@@tyronelol we don’t know what/how/why the origin of the universe. There isn’t enough information to know yet. That’s why we have to investigate. I do not see any reasons to think it was a supernatural cause or anything like that. I “reject” In that I’m not convinced any deities exist and are responsible for it.
@@therick363
I didn't ask if you know I asked for your beliefs since you reject the idea of a Creator(God).
@@tyronelol and I answered. You seem to want me to say something that isn’t true. Are you hoping I’ll say something like “I believe….” Knowing full well I can’t prove it?
I told you my position. I see no need or reason to think any Gods exist. If one can be demonstrated or proven or bother to show up that would be different. As it is, there no good reasons for me to believe in any.
John Lennox believes we have the free-will to accept or reject Christ.
Where the Bible says unable,unable ,unable - Lennox what’s to believe can,can,can.
His philosophical ideas are against Biblical revelation.
Lennox is not a scientist…..
The comments section has brought out all the mad atheists, only John has this effect on them l0l. The truth hurts and they're suffering from severe cognitive dissonance.
You seem pretty obsessed with atheists. Is it because you keep losing arguments to them?
You seem to think that of someone is purposely misrepresenting others that it’s okay and theist if they respond about that it then mens they are mad and they are the ones with issues?
“The truth hurts and they’re suffering from severe cognitive dissonance”….so share that this “truth” is and how we are the ones suffering from cognitive dissonance?
Would it seem absurd if someone was trying to convince you there is a second invisible sun in the sky?
That's how you sound to atheists.
Don't act like I am the one who has the problem because I don't see the second sun in reallity. I also don't see your God in reality. It appears to be only an imaginary character. Demonstrate it is more than imaginary.
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God.
Lennox is one of those who would see no difference between an hour of prayer and Bible reading and/or sitting down with Jesus at Cracker Barrel for breakfast…in direct conversation. Fact is…..he’s unable to answer in favor of the later. That would be to compromise the integrity/legitimacy of his god.
His God? Yahweh is the God of the universe but you’re obviously a skeptic.
@@michaelbrickley2443
Amen!
He still alive, right?
Remember that thing called Google? You question is pretty disrespectful don't you think?
I d ont believe John believes in Adam n Eve.
I can't believe John Lennox is a liar.
You're in denial because you believe differently.
"I'm not an atheist because I'm a scientist" ..Wat??!!
There are scientists and engineers who are not atheists and are religious. Nothing new.
Read his books and watch his lectures on TH-cam. You will understand what he means by the statement.
LOGIC: There are no creatures without the existence of a SUPREME BEING called GOD and CREATOR.
So who or what created your god?
@@kst68dog
The CREATOR can NEVER be created as HE is the ORIGIN of life and everything.
@@leapedrosa4475 well that's convenient isn't it, how can you possibly know this ?
@@kst68dog
The written records concerning the WORK of CREATION of GOD in the HOLY BIBLE (KJV) which is proven by the
existence of creatures seen by the eyes, heard by the ears, and felt by the senses proved the existence of a SUPREME BEING called GOD and CREATOR.
@@leapedrosa4475 absolute utter nonsense I'm afraid, time to set your clock forward a few thousand years
If we read the Holy Bible we find that we don't decide what we believe and what we don't believe...we accept what the Bible tells us. In fact, it's a wonderful science that offers repair, rebirth, and everlasting life. It's an electromectric universe full of electromagnetic laws that venture into every aspect of the universe. Righteousness is a set of electromagnetic laws tailor made for our universal health and nature.
It’s important to look at the evidence says Lennox. But when he’s asked “you ever doubt God” he responds “I’ve spent my whole life questioning my faith in God” which tells you all you need to know about the strength of the evidence for the existence of the Christian God. In contrast, as an unbeliever in the Christian God, I’ve never questioned my unbelief in the Christian God for a second so certain am I of it.
In listening to the context, he is not saying that he doubts the existence of a Christian God, but rather that he is open to asking the difficult questions he might have in his honest look at the evidence. Thus he is advising you to do the same. And this process has led to strengthening his faith.
@@erichschoeman9706 I have asked the difficult questions and found the answers to most of them. Hence I have no doubt. Once you discover truth there is no longer room for doubt. Lennox says quite clearly that he doubts his faith in God. And I can see why he should.
I think his wording might have been vague. I have watched a number of his videos and therein he is very clear on his faith in God and how science has strengthened his belief. Asking the difficult questions was due to initial doubts and that rather points to his open and honest search for the truth. Thus, having doubts doesn't mean that the evidence is not clear. It's just a part of the process of discovery. Clearly the evidence has convinced him.
We know that there was a resurrection. We’ve found no less than Four tombs!
Finding tombs does not mean resurrection lol, tombs we’re common in that area and date
@@MoNtYbOy101 yes however the tomb belonged to a rich known jew and thus people could investigate his tomb
@@johndeoliveira8476 cool, let me know when you find evidence that Jesus was buried inside this tomb
John Lennox's question whether science can explain everything rubs me up the wrong way. What a cheeky way to ask! He should be well aware that if it could, the work would be done, and all scientists could go home and enjoy retirement!
I can only respond with the question: Can god explain anything at all?
I am fully aware that there are a lot of unsolved questions in science, and christian apologists are wont to belabor this point, particularly in the fields of evolution and cosmology. Most scientists are happy to admit that there are large gaps of knowledge. But what has god, or religion, to offer here? Is there anything more than "god did it"?
I'm sorry, but I don't see any explanation from the religious side that would be worthy of the name, and Lennox hasn't anything on offer either, as far as I can see. It simply isn't enough to say that there needs to be an explanation, and since science hasn't got it yet, it must be god. If Lennox is a scientist, he ought to know what scientists expect from an explanation: That it can be tested, that it allows making predictions that can be checked against reality, that it can distinguish between plausible and implausible outcomes. The god hypothesis has nothing like this on offer. That's why it is completely fruitless for science.
It is no coincidence that scientific knowledge expanded exponentially since scientists essentially eradicated god from their methodology, and proceeded as if he didn't exist, a few hundred years ago. That can be done regardless of whether you are a believer or not. And it worked spectacularly well, which nobody really can deny. That is supposed to tell you something: God, as a scientific explanation, is a total failure. You can explain anything with it, therefore it explains nothing. You can equally claim that god created a universe with a stationary flat earth at the center, as you can claim that he created one where the earth is a spherical planet circling around a random sun in a random galaxy somewhere in a vast and mostly empty universe. If the earth was a cube made of cheese, you would claim that god made that, too. You see, god is utterly useless as an explanation for anything. You'd be much better off, with less chance of egg ending up on your face, if you plainly admitted that you don't know what you don't know, rather than postulating arbitrarily that "god did it"!
And this doesn't even touch the question of which particular variant of a god it is supposed to be.
Surely, Lennox is intelligent enough to realize this. Yet he careers on claiming that he believes in god BECAUSE he is a scientist! Something doesn't wash here!
@Caratacus I don't experience that much uninterrogated scientism, to be honest. I encounter more accusations by the religious side, who seem to take every pro-science uttering that doesn't include a disclaimer to be guilty of uncritical scientism.
It is quite clear from public discourse that a large part of the religious side indeed has a serious problem with science, and this includes many who proclaim that they don't have such a problem. I would recommend to the religious side to first address those problems within their own ranks instead of trying to act as the arbiter who decides what science should do and how far it should go.
I find it almost comical to see the religious remind scientists of something most of them need no reminder for anyway: That they don't have the answer for everything. The religious side are really those who act as if they had that universal answer, all the while their answer is completely useless for any quest for truth. It is an "answer" that only satisfies the ignorant, and it is used to keep them ignorant. It makes the ignorant feel like they know more than the experts, so that they are justified in looking down on them and harassing them. This is what I see being played out in popular culture right now.
Just to mention one example that should be on everybody's mind right now: The Covid pandemic. Science has done an amazing job at predicting it, analyzing it, recommending countermeasures against it, and producing vaccination and medicine for it. And what do large parts of the religious do: They vilify it, ridicule it, harass scientists associated with it, refuse to heed warnings and recommendations, promote magical thinking, and more. Not all of the religious, but a large and very vocal part. THAT is the problem, not the overbearing scientists. Apparently, religion has nothing constructive on offer here, and much of it is openly and effectively destructive.
So my advice to religion is: Take care of the plank in your own eye first, before worrying about the speck of sawdust in science's eye.
@Caratacus Saying truths publicly can be a very bad thing when it is half-truths, or just enough truth to evoke a wrong impression. You can quite literally lie with the truth. I don't need to give examples, do I?
Nobody has a monopoly on truth. Science doesn't reclaim one for itself. But religion often does. They often think they have the absolute, unquestionable truth, and act accordingly. When the religious criticize science for allegedly reclaiming a truth monopoly for themselves, they are wrongly accusing science of what they are doing themselves, in a public sphere that is very receptive for that kind of misleading propaganda.
So what I want to get across is this: The religious side is the absolute wrong side to be publicly rubbing this truth under the nose of science. Hypocrisy is the word that springs to mind immediately.
And can you please answer a question for me? Who are you referring to when you identify "so much uncritical devotees of Scientism"? I can't help noting the religious language you are using, which I interpret as a tacit accusation of religiosity. You seem to believe it is a widespread problem. It shouldn't be difficult to point out those who are at the center of it. Be concrete please, give names.
@Caratacus Yes, I'm using the broad brush for the sake of conciseness. Remember what I wrote about disclaimers? This seems to be an instance of this problem. That didn't take long, did it?
Apart from that, don't you think that continuing to ignore my point is somewhat lame? Can I take this as a sign of defeat?
@Caratacus You're getting cranky. Clearly, you are looking for a way to escape while leaving behind a stink.
@Caratacus I don’t see anywhere in the post that science is the ONLY method of understanding and gaining knowledge. He simply describing how Lennox is mischaracterized it. Made leaps that aren’t there and failed to draw any tangible explanations from a god.
Again, no one is saying science is the only way. You seem to agree it’s a very good method, and I would agree, I think it’s the best, but not the only.
It’s certainly not the only method to explore knowledge. Now verification gets a bit muddy. I’m open to learning, but how would verify and knowledge claims without science? Genuine question, not mocking or anything. And I mean science in the broadest term, as in the scientific method.
Good luck to both of you, gentlemen. If you truly understood the meaning of Jesus' words "Deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow me", you wouldn't smile any longer because this is the hardest thing ever put before any man. Talk about religion is easy. Live it! But first, try to find out what Jesus meant by the 'self' that is to be denied. It has been said that "The man who conquers self is mightier than he who conquers many cities or smites a thousand men in war." How about it? Pick up this challenge.
Talk about religion is false as ALL religions are man made and man is fallible, therefore ALL religions are fallible ( false ). Believe in God and read His scriptures and leave ALL religions out of your life. Scripture study and prayer should be one’s priorities
Denying self means to live as an others-centered person. Jesus was the only person to do this perfectly, but we are to follow in His steps.
Take a look at Matthew 16:24. Galatians 5:1 tells us that “It was for freedom that Christ has set us free”. It is not a life of self-denial but a life of following Christ in freedom and truth.
@@anabegins7349 Why do you assume that I am an atheist?
@@littlebitsofbliss Please, enlighten me. How has Christ set you free? I would like very much to have Christ's freedom.
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The freedom Jesus offers is not only the forgiveness of sins, but freedom FROM sin -- to no longer be enslaved to sin
Some people are truly hungry for the truth, while others are only interested in mocking it. If you are the former, I suggest reading the book of Romans! Paul does an excellent job explaining the theology of Christianity - what exactly did God accomplish through Jesus.
He doesn’t answer questions at all. Nothing but rhetoric. He reminds me of C S Lewis, another writer from the Irish Police Court school of sophistry. Of course, Lewis was also. genius, but that didn’t protect him from religious self-deception.
The observations would apply to atheists as well.