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The Greatest Episode of TV Ever??? Succession "Connor's Wedding" S4E3 Reaction!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- What in the world have we just witnessed?
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27:31 - Discussion
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The reason this episode feels so uncomfortable is they filmed part of it as a one act play with no cuts they made it feel like we were inside of a family experiencing a tragedy almost like we shouldn’t be there
You can't seriously think Tom did something. Logan was an 82 year old man with a bad heart and constantly under a massive amount of stress. Stressed out 82 year olds with bad hearts die all the time. I think the audience just got put into as much of a state of shock as the kids because of the timing of it - killing off the main character in the third episode of the final season with seven episodes to go? Nobody saw that coming.
Not only that, but Tom wouldn’t gain anything by killing Logan. Especially right now. Without Logan protecting him, he’s fucked.
Plus Tom is one of the biggest losers here. He chose Logan over his wife in a huge gamble and now as he said, he's lost his protector (not that Logan really cared about him!)
Those guys are right, Tom gains nothing from Logan’s death (that we know of).
On the other hand you can’t help going info murder story mode. I immediately thought: Kerry! He changed his will, and she poisoned him right after!
But it’s just too cheesy, and the situation is f*** up enough without it.
@@katarzynastachowicz7834 Right... Logan isn't going to leave anything to some side piece. It would be hysterical if he left everything to Connor though. The only one of his kids that didnt try to take his empire away from him. If he is still married to Marcia, they might all be fucked. OOPS!
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Connor's immediate, suspicious response of "Well is he?" and "He never even liked me" is so telling of their history.
Where are they going from here? Well, the show is called "Succession"... it was always going to be about the fight to take over.
"HBO only hires writers who hate weddings." I laughed out loud at that. I've been watching all the recaps on this episode, and that is truly a unique take! And probably true.
I think another foreshadowing of Logan's death was in S4E1 in the restaurant scene where Logan was eating with his bodyguard. He talked about life after death and reflected on his mortality, showing that maybe he knew the end was near for him.
If you really think about it, Logan's death was foreshadowed in the first five minutes of the first episode of the first season.
@@dtgstl3148 Holy shit, you’re right. I forgot that literally the first scene in the show was a delirious Logan getting out of bed and pissing on the floor.
Great scene. He showed appreciation of the bodyguard....at a diner
@@dtgstl3148 that's not foreshadowing lmao that's just showing he's in bad medical shape like they've done multiple times throughout the show. No one was surprised that he died, just that they made him die so early in the season
I get your point and I also feel uncomfortable but I think its not just about them thinking about what the world is going to think of them, they NEED to discuss the business side. That's how it works, unfortunately.
It comes with the territory. You have to get in front of the narrative before the world does. Especially when you are apart of a publicly traded company.
yea kendall’s point was dead on they don’t have a choice whatever decisions they make in that moment could affect their whole lives and future of the company
Exactly. Logan wasn't just the owner of a mom & pop shop. As cold as it seemed, his kids had to focus on the company because Logan's death affects the whole stock market. Imagine being so important that your death causes company stock to plummet.
Yeah the execs on the plane are legally required to do the business side. Not letting the market know about his death within a reasonable (Short) time frame is a crime, with serious repercussions.
shiv breaking down and not knowing what to do or sya actually made me cry
This ep was not fiction. When my dad died I reacted like Karolina, Tom and Greg. Not proud of that but that’s how grief and schock plays with your mind sometimes
No one killed Logan, I understand why you guys were speculating but it was a creative decision by the writers to convey the sudden and unexpected nature of death from the perspective of the kids. No grand crazy death scene, just a realistic series of events
Interestingly, Roman was the only sibling to not bring up their grudge against Logan in his final minutes on Earth.
Also, since Roman has always been the quick-quip sibling, he literally struggles to come up with the correct words to say, probably because he's so used to using humor as a vice, and now is the one time he has to be 100% serious....he had to step up to the plate, and wasn't ready.
This show is masterful at characterization.
- This episode is superb and I don't think as much is as ad-libbed as you think. This writers room is full of the very best, including playwrights and also they have said that 2-3 writers are always on set in case dialogue needs to change etc. It's such a superb episode.
- As for the business focus, it's a reality that as a publicly traded company, they have regulatory requirements, which I imagine was what Frank meant by it being a material event, as I think those events will be clearly defined and those events will require public disclosure within a tight timeframe. It's brutal, but a reality.
- As for Connor, he was still an afterthought at his own wedding. The episode title is genius. It sums up how he's been an afterthought his entire life.
- Also, them leading the company is them saying they will lead it through whatever happens. The board will make that call, but as shareholders they hold voting rights, so they can be involved in those decisions, e.g. voting no to the deal to force their dad to renegotiate. I'm assuming the plan is to try and squeeze Matsson for more money, but the company is now worth less, so he'll likely want to pay less!
- No way Tom did anything. He has so much to lose from this death. He chose Logan over his wife! He needed Logan. And yes, the folder was about Syd, so clearly he had a plan set out for when she was fired by Logan.
- Kerry didn't do anything. Last week established she responds inappropriately to bad news. We saw her smiling through a bad news story on her news anchor audition and this is that happening in real time, which I found a darkly funny callback.
You nailed most of these topics. I’m very interested in what Shiv does next as they’ve been laying trails all season that she is not on the side of the family as much as Roman and Kendall are. She was negotiating with Sandy and Stewie behind their backs. Took the lead in negotiating with Pierce and single-handedly talked her brothers into driving up the price. The she was the one who convinced them to try to go back to Mattson for more money. Her even considering having the plane circle for a few minutes was a massive red flag no one is discussing, and then to leave without seeing her fathers body suggests she was already out on this family. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out she’s been working for Pierce or with Sandy this entire time. I think she splinters off first and could end up running PGM.
I don't know about you, but I died laughing when Shiv and Ken told Connor about Logan dying.
And Connor was just Stone-faced. All his life, he's been neglected, and during one of the last few moments on Earth, Logan chooses to be on an airplane with associates, rather than at the wedding of his first-born child, and only child with his first wife.
Connor had it so bad. His mom being sent to a mental hospital, and then hearing that his father passed away (not to mention that when his dad was going to attend, he would have done it from a distance, and for a short period of time).
And this was during his WEDDING 😅.
Oh, and the cake catastrophe 😂
It was also fairly obvious that Logan was going to die on the show. I thought it would be next episode. They’ve been telegraphing it since season 1 with several medical incidents and this year with him talking to his security about mortality and what comes after death. What was amazing about this was how they did it without fanfare, off-camera and over phone calls. He doesn’t get any big speech or a final death scene. This is so true to how people actually die in reality. Rarely do you see it coming even if they’re already ill which Logan obviously was.
I don't think any of us expected Logan's death to be this soon and so sudden. This is definitely one of the greatest episodes of television.
crazy we knew about logan's death the same way the siblings did; through the phone call
i think logan gave roman the task of firing gerri to test his loyalty. to see if he's really ready to betray his siblings and join his side. if he can't betray gerri for him, how can he betray kendall and shiv? plus shivs mom told her "Your father never saw anything he loved that he didn’t wanna kick it just to see if it would still come back”
Plus, he knows Gerri was an ally of Roman, so it also robs Roman of that support. Logan is cold as ice.
Maybe im a dumbass, but I actually think Willa has grown to love Connor. Its not very traditional and I don't think she is fully sure herself but their relationship is not what it was in season 1. She stuck with him on this presidential run, which is usually where the money types would be less interested. Maybe im dumb.
Also, with Connor getting married, I don't think it's that he didn't care about his dad, he does, but he knows that his dad never cared for him. The only person who has ever shown him any real level of love is Willa, as fucked up as that is given their relationship started as an escort.
I think he feels that why should he stop himself from marrying the women he loves because a man who never loved him died.
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On a rewatch you clock how long Tom was trying to get Shiv on the phone first.
I think Kerry is just a nervous smiler. Its definitely a thing and you'll notice she does it during her news segment too where she was fumbling too.
Great reaction to probably the best episode of television ever. "I think HBO only hires writers who hate weddings" was spot on. I agree that the theme music is brilliant, with jazz piano, hip-hop beat, and classical orchestration over desaturated 8mm photography perfectly setting the tone of the show. I'm definitely watching the rest of the season with you guys.
the theme music is part of what made me fall in love with the series almost immediately, it's just perfect for the story.
The Succession theme is definitely top 3 and might actually be #1 when you really think about how it’s used. It’s basically the only music you hear in almost every important scene of the show since season 1. Just variations of it either with changes of tempo or emotion. It’s both the theme and the score to the show which is wild when you think about it.
This episode is award winning! Kieran Culkin and Sarah Snook were spectacular! Loved watching the recap with you guys!
And Jeremy strong ?
Jeremy Strong
@@wrestlinginfodude2644I guess it’s cuz he’s always been spectacular. But still he’s fking good this episode
Great job and commentary. This was such a great episode and the season so far is lining up to be one of the top 5 best television seasons of all time if they keep the quality up.
Y’all totally missed and overlooked Kendall saying he wanted the “best airplane medicine doctor in the world”. 😂😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ These grown adults we call Kendall, Roman and shiv are so spoiled and out of touch and clueless about real life situations. They think they can have a specialist for every issue or problem they have!
I think it was partly being spoiled and out of touch, and partly being desperate and in denial. I remember when my dad was dying. I am a retired Navy Hospital Corpsman - so I am not trained enough to "do medicine", but I'm comfortable with it and I speak the language. I still remember sitting and grasping at straws. There's so much- "Well, what if?"
And that's what absolutely killed me about this episode. They completely killed the reactions. It was so brilliant and so real. (After I got past believing it was their dad pulling a truly cruel lie to get out of the wedding... Really says a lot about him that I didn't believe he was actually ill for a good 10 minutes.)
You have to include The Sopranos in the best TV intros! I've rewatched that show so many times and I can't bring myself to skip it
The theme song for The Sopranos is very cool. It's called Woke Up This Morning.
Someone pointed out that the pier they launched from for Connors wedding is really close to a major hospital so in tragic irony if Logan had gone to Connor’s wedding there is a really good chance they could’ve got him to a hospital quickly and he would’ve made it
Omg!!
I have watched it 5X already.... It was just so well executed! I love it when they film in real time. It keeps you on the edge....Like you are actually watching a real event unfold.
I wonder if the can squeeze one more wedding into this series. 🤪
I was in shock and denial during this scene. I thought maybe Gerri and Carolina did something to him because he was about to fire her, but I think that’s just cause I was in denial (over a fictional character yikes)
Easily one of the best episodes of television i’ve ever seen. Succession is goated
About the stock market tanking- I don't think that happened because Shiv said the kids were going to be involved. I don't think it mattered what *anyone* could have said.
The stock price tanked because the wildly charismatic leader of a major company died, leaving that company with huge questions about what their future will be.
And this is all Logan's fault. If he had brought Kendall in as we saw at the beginning was supposed to be happening, had him take over and mentored him- With it all happening while he was alive- stockholders could have felt the successor was being mentored by someone who they understood. Instead he was the only person he trusted, so when he died he left the company with no sure leadership.
Tom didn’t do anything because Logan was his protector. Now that he’s gone, he’s vulnerable
And they had to get into business because they are Board members and required by law to report a material event, ie, the death of the CEO as it affects the stock price
glad i found you guys before the end of the season :) genuinely such an insane way to do an ep 3, everyone deserves an award this is truly one of the best episodes on television. can't wait to see what the rest of the season has for us!!
WTF would Tom do anything? Without Logan Tom has zero security at the firm. Cyd isn't fired, and she has way more experience than Tom.
@28:56 Remember every single episode is shot on film. Because it's 35 mm filmstock, that means about 10 mins a reel. So, sometimes the directors shoot as much as they can: but this episode was Mark Mylod, who will basically shoot all the reel & never/rarely call "cut."
So re: improv in general, the actors will just keep going, keep riffing, esp. on Mylod episodes cuz he doesn't call cut. (This is, you'll notice, exactly what's going on in the last 20 seconds of the S3 finale, actually...the actors are just keeping the energy in the room, but the script had it end earlier.) But with this episode, imagine the sheer logistics of shooting on film on a boat...! So they set up cannisters in different parts of the boat, hiding on set, to have 3 cameras running, so they could swap & load up....and so the actors performed ongoing, like they were in a 1-act play.
I think the reason this episode had such an impact is that being anti-climactic is SUPER realistic. It felt authentic, exactly because when people get a call like this...this is what it feels like. The anti-climatic wasn't about being a clever twist. It's about being honest: that that's what it's really like, when someone you love dies.
It really was an epic episode. So many moments that are amazing. I liked the heavy piano music at the end, that sounded a lot like music accompanying an old silent film. And the empty chairs at Connor's wedding. Just so much in one episode.
House of Cards also has an iconic theme song.
This was all-time best show ever…
Iconic theme song: True Detective. That shit hits different
I love the new intro !
I was physically shaking during this episode - I just couldn’t believe what I was seeing! Absolutely stunning episode of a stunning show.
Other iconic theme song - The West Wing.
😭😭”maybe not in this episode but the next one” bruh what is he gonna die this episode and then come back to life next episode
I feel so dumb, when i first watched i too thought that Kerry had something to do with it, especially because what Tom said and her reaction over all, also i watched 4 episodes back to back and in the scene where she goes to his house and asks to go upstairs i thought that maybe she should be trying to get some document to to prove their connection or something like this
but yeah, i was being delusional of course i do not think this show would go for this path, also he was really old already and throughout the whole series even on the pilot, the show is called succession so...
I think for me it was like grasping at straws and trying to justify how Logan could just all of a sudden die? So I felt like someone had to be at fault for it. Looking back now it made sense to me how he died in the middle of a feud between him and all of his kids just given the high stress situations going on.
-Abe
A great one, one of the best, but far from the best
Shiv is intimidated by competent and successful women, she doesn’t work well with other women on her level or higher on the totem pole! She could never be the new Logan. She’s more self conscious than Kendall and folds under pressure like Roman does!
Glacier, Montana shirt dude is really cute. I need his info
They had nothing but money in this episode totally useless...the kids were isolated in water and Logan was isolated in the air , it felt real because this is how you get a phone call with a shocking news , it's sudden it's a surprise, there's no last moments , no last words , you don't see Logan say something that would make you cry , a moment that could be turned into a sad tik tok edit , this episode is not drama , they gave up on drama when it came to death , death took not only logan but it took drama with it too 💔
what a boring reaction
It’s not boring You’re just not interesting enough to keep up.