The "fish" are juvenile sand worms, this emperor had fused with a sand worm and has started a worship based around them. They are meant to be symbolically speaking for the "fish" through violence.
@@Mr.Crow1984 I always say 40K is a fantasy series that was jealous that sci-fi had cool guns and space battles. So it jumped Dune, Starship Troopers, and Judge Dread in a dark ally and robbed them.
Sci-fi is a massive genre and authors/writers are constantly taking ideas from one another. I think it’s a generally healthy thing tbh. Art inspires art
Core part of the fish speakers is that they were all expected to be mothers at some point, as Leto thought this made them mpre interested in preservation than destruction.
They weren't all required to be mothers. In the book it says some of them go into priestesshood and not have children. Leto also knew that not all of the women would be heterosexual so there was room for all sexual orientations.
@@northseekeradventures9032 I just finished the book and Duncan was upset when he saw two fish speakers kissing and Moneo said it was perfectly natural for them to explore their sexuality. And during the Siaynoq some of the fish speakers did not have children and were going into priesthood. Guess what they are probably doing as priestesses, it's a way to let the women who love women to continue their fidelity to leto and their sexual orientation. Also, it is a fictional story so let the fictional women do whatever they want.
The question of whether Atreides soldiers could match the Sardaukar is a fascinating one! The Sardaukar were indeed the most feared soldiers in the Imperium, known for their brutal training and unwavering loyalty to the Emperor. They were raised in the harsh conditions of Salusa Secundus, which forged them into elite warriors. Duke Leto Atreides invested heavily in training his troops, and under the guidance of skilled leaders like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, the Atreides soldiers became a formidable force. While they might not have reached the same level as the Sardaukar in terms of sheer ferocity and conditioning, they were highly disciplined and well-trained, earning respect and fear from their enemies. In the books and adaptations, it’s suggested that the Atreides soldiers were close to matching the Sardaukar, especially in terms of tactical effectiveness and morale. The Emperor’s fear of Duke Leto’s growing power and the potential of his army was one of the reasons for the betrayal and the subsequent attack on House Atreides. In a direct confrontation, the Sardaukar might still have the edge due to their extreme training and conditioning. However, the Atreides soldiers, with their superior leadership and strategic acumen, could potentially hold their own, especially if they had the element of surprise or advantageous terrain. It’s a testament to the strength and potential of House Atreides that they were seen as a significant threat to the Emperor’s power. _What do you think would have happened if the Atreides had more time to build their forces?_
It is. It's widely believed that Games Workshop directly took a lot of inspiration from Dune and the founders of GW was huge fan of fantasy and sci-fi media, one of them being Dune.
In God Emperor of Dune Nayla a Fish Speaker and one of the main characters in the story was described as extremely muscular and strong. She can easily lift a man weighing 200 kilos with one hand.
The reasoning is something I don’t think I ever understood. Like it doesn’t fully line up. A male military will become predatory but not a male god emperor?
Technically not Big spoiler: Well, at this point he wasn’t a male after he sacrificed his humanity and became a worm hybrid, also he had ancestral memories since before his birth of both his male and female ancestors
Pretty sure that's the point. The god emperor was there to be a tyrant and break the cycle of the universe of blindly following or worshipping a god, or an emperor
Leto II picked all women because an all man force would have eventually turned gay and distracted while all women would harness Karen energy to an obsessive degree. Its in the book dont cry at me
"...once a month, the Empire's people and the god-emperor himself were forced to hide until the Fish Speakers had overcome their dreaded 'red tide' that brought irrational angst, irrational anger and disproportionate overreaction to anything..."
They were the best fighters in times of peace? I think that’s why they were chosen, bc they were more stable than a group of dudes who have no enemies to fight for 3 thousand years. So yeah they are good at doing nothing really, there’s no war in Letos empire
@@princepscivitatis4083The Fremen and Sardukar both survived on plot armor in the first place. Elite infantry really shouldn't be a deciding factor in a setting with spaceships. Humanity in Dune is basically a worthless species intentionally cultivated to be useless by Bene Gesserit genetic and long term psychological meddling. The only remotely competent ones are the Ixians and everyone is so scared of them they get mistreated throughout the timeline in order to prevent them and their basic competence as engineers from destroying the moronic balance that the Bene Gesserit, Bene Tlelaxu, and various other Mentats have created.
That is true, the explanation in the books was basically that when women weren't needed in the military they were basically mandatory transferred to being mothers. The logic is it changes them from bring adolescent fighters to adult parents more focused on community.
A BIG SPOILER Because, Leto II, the second son of Paul and Chani, choose to guide humanity into a new era of peace and prosperity, but first they had to suffer A LOT, we talk about thousands of years, so to survive that long and also to be unbeatable he combined his DNA with a sandworm fetus, so across the decades, he became a Hybrid, but don't understate his abilities, his more powerful than any other character in Dune franchise.
Big spoilers if you have not read the books. So during the final act of Children of Dune, Paul’s second son Leto II is loaded with spice and he wanders into the desert and finds sand trout. They are what become sand worms so he picks them up and they start to merge with his flesh creating a type of membrane armour over his flesh and through it. So 3500 years after that happens he has evolved almost completely into a sand worm human hybrid. He states that given enough time he will become a full blown sand worm, but during the events of God Emperor that does not happen. That’s as far as I’ll go.
Theyre all female because in Leto's eyes females care more about life and the community and that men discover the importance of life theough conflict and therefore having a male army would cause more needless conflict. He also sees the females to be more comminity based than males and he wanted his army to be as dependent on him as absolutely possible.
The whole all female army not becoming predatory just shows how little Frank knew women. Men are amateurs compared to the agressivness and hostility of women.
They don't, not really... As per the Dune enclopedia: _The existence of the Fish Speakers, and especially of their religious and military devotion, can be best explained by the significance offish: a divine life symbol from antiquity. Which species became the dominant symbol is disputed. According to Fish Speaker legend, the sandtrout so important in Dune history is a relict form of a now-extinct lungfish, but trout are very similar to salmon, and the Legend of the Silver Salmon - a large fish with oracular powers and a reputation for escaping all nets and lures - persisted in Fremen culture despite the absence of water_ There are passages that describe women having greater potential as soldiers than men but the reasons aren't explained clearly, they're left to the reader to determine. I think one reason is that if physical abilities are levelled out through genetic manipulation or become irrelevant by way of technology the mentality of women is more suited to soldiering than men's. I think Leto may have seen women as less competitive and ambitious and easier to lead.
I love how doing went from doing to like 40K like you watch the movie and then you read any of the book or listen to any of the videos and it's just the original 40K
TOTALITARIANISM: When your clandestine military troupe has so much power and reach that they’re present and, more importantly the dominant & driving voice, in your bureaucracy, diplomacy, and religion. These are the main structures within a civilization, so it’s ironic* that the God Worm expressed that he was not in favor of male militaries because they’re inherently predatory when his governing practice was obviously modeled the same. *But when you think about it, it’s not ironic, but expected in individuals who engage in shadow wars are paranoid and fearful of the same tactics they employed to assert power. All of this ‘advancement’ and the character was still written to suffer from very basic, human flaws. This should be noted that it may be impossible for us to correctly write about the motivations of being said to be that further advanced than us because one would assume that we’d be beyond this particular set of moral trappings and on to newer ones (as well as a newer way of even existing) by that point.
The tyrant gave the people more of the same. He did this to an extreme so that they would never choose to operate in these same ways again. It was intentional on his part so they would not fall into the same power structure traps again.
@@kerrimichi530 He’s putting a great deal of confidence in the populace recognizing this stratagem, understanding his unspoken intention, having the moral fiber to do better, and the harmony to act in concert with each to achieve the desired result. That’s too many variables present to be assured that his very human followers wouldn’t fumble along the way. I think you’re giving him too much credit, this scenario comes across too fantastical to be real unfortunately.
Games Workshop took a lot of direct inspiration from other existing media. The founders of GW were also huge fans of sci-fi works and one of them being Dune.
They don't, not really... As per the Dune enclopedia: _The existence of the Fish Speakers, and especially of their religious and military devotion, can be best explained by the significance offish: a divine life symbol from antiquity. Which species became the dominant symbol is disputed. According to Fish Speaker legend, the sandtrout so important in Dune history is a relict form of a now-extinct lungfish, but trout are very similar to salmon, and the Legend of the Silver Salmon - a large fish with oracular powers and a reputation for escaping all nets and lures - persisted in Fremen culture despite the absence of water_ There are passages that describe women having greater potential as soldiers than men but the reasons aren't explained clearly, they're left to the reader to determine. I think one reason is that if physical abilities are levelled out through genetic manipulation or become irrelevant by way of technology the mentality of women is more suited to soldiering than men's. I think Leto may have seen women as less competitive and ambitious and easier to lead.
@@DarkZerol let me ask you something, as you seem to know dune and I think this is simply something frank herbert blundered. You know that shooting a laser into a shield causes a nuclear explosion or something similar. Why didn't the harkonnen simply sent a couple of guys to shoot some slaves using shields to kill the atreides instead of a whole army which was way more expensive? And also why didn't the fremen simply used the same strategy agaisnt the Harkonnen before? If you can turn anything into an atomic bomb cheaply sounds like something worth using
@@fearlesspotato3429dude it’s a fictional world where people can make others to kill themselves by speaking words. For Christ sake the leader is a fucking worm. Leave your weird gender politics out of it.
Dumbest idea Herbert had. For a guy that was so concerned with a realistic examination of human nature in the first book, he went completely off the rails with this concept. 🙄
It's actually on purpose. SPOILER: If you read the last two books, you see how they degenerate into something worse: honored matres. It's part of Leto II being "wrong" because he decided not to look that far into the future. That's often discussed in Chapterhouse
@@sprksmr7208 interesting. I didn't know that. I stopped at God Emperor because it seemed like a good conclusion. Thanks for the info. I may have to pick up Heretics.
@sprksmr7208 weren't the honored matres just bene geserette who left during the great scattering? I might be wrong but didn't the fish speakers just hang with Duncan Idaho after the God emperors death
@@MM-hf6om spoilers for Chapterhouse if you haven't read it. After Murbella goes through the Agony and unlocks her Other Memories, it's discovered that Honored Matres are actually descendants from Fish Speakers and their sex enthrallment is a degeneration of the Siaynoq ritual they practiced in GEoD. Though they absorbed some BG splinters, but most that went into the original Scattering were erradicated.
@@sprksmr7208 gotcha. I stopped about a quarter into heretics . Mostly because I felt we weren't going anywhere anymore. God emperor of dune kinda feels like a finale
@@samuelbishop1701 kind of a fallacy just like the one you replied to, many female rulers have to be twice as brutal as their male counterparts to be taken seriously, on the other hand, so many war started by male is because history is male dominant, it would still be the same if the gender role is reversed.
Nah, a properly trained woman can kick an average man's ass. IRL And they use weapons, I don't think someone's gender matters when it comes to firing a gun.
"nowadays"? what the fuck are you talking about? dune is from 1965, it inspired a massive majority of big sci-fi settings lmao, I'm pretty sure you just saw "women" and "soldiers" and got mad
I recommend reading “God Emperor of Dune” still. While some of Herbert’s views may not have aged well, there is just so much philosophical input in this book it is a marvel to experience
Are we just not going to address at all why they’re called Fish Speakers
They speak to fish in their dreams
1 of them spoke to fish and thats what he called tbe rest of them.
The "fish" are juvenile sand worms, this emperor had fused with a sand worm and has started a worship based around them. They are meant to be symbolically speaking for the "fish" through violence.
It's the fish smell between their legs.
@@brandonklowak4168 I believe they are called sand trout.
“You are now emperor, what is your first decree, my liege?”
“I want a cabal of lady warriors in spandex armor.”
The Duncans commanded alot of women... more than I ever will have 😭
@@Baptistsarebetter imagine them suddenly developing sexual frustration.
Welp congratulations you're now a fish speaker's personal sperm bank
The more I learn about dune lore the more I see how mush Warhammer40K stole from it.
Gw: noooo its our IP, you can take stuff from it, i will sue you
Also GW: wow this stuff looks coll, mind if just "copy it" a bit.
@@Mr.Crow1984 I always say 40K is a fantasy series that was jealous that sci-fi had cool guns and space battles. So it jumped Dune, Starship Troopers, and Judge Dread in a dark ally and robbed them.
war hammer is a complete rip off of dune and star wars
@@ambatuBUHSURKand star wars is a rip off of dune so it comes full circle 😅
Sci-fi is a massive genre and authors/writers are constantly taking ideas from one another. I think it’s a generally healthy thing tbh. Art inspires art
Imagine becoming a worm and having a fishy army
You would have to be careful not to take the BAIT!! 😂😂
Fishes are what juvenile sandworms are called
Core part of the fish speakers is that they were all expected to be mothers at some point, as Leto thought this made them mpre interested in preservation than destruction.
Conquer a planet through force, placate it through sex
Interesting ideology and philosophy
They weren't all required to be mothers. In the book it says some of them go into priestesshood and not have children. Leto also knew that not all of the women would be heterosexual so there was room for all sexual orientations.
@@anntastic100no he made them all take male mates there was no room for recreational lesbianism
@@northseekeradventures9032 I just finished the book and Duncan was upset when he saw two fish speakers kissing and Moneo said it was perfectly natural for them to explore their sexuality. And during the Siaynoq some of the fish speakers did not have children and were going into priesthood. Guess what they are probably doing as priestesses, it's a way to let the women who love women to continue their fidelity to leto and their sexual orientation. Also, it is a fictional story so let the fictional women do whatever they want.
Reminds me of Qadaffi's all female bodyguard unit.
Gadaffi
Yes, I check them every night.
@@mercenery1232nigga what
He actually said his name right his name can be spelled with a q or a g@@Just1nobody1
Bodyguards? More like prostitutes with guns
I just read the God Emperor of Dune a week ago. One of my favorites for sure. For the Golden Path.
The question of whether Atreides soldiers could match the Sardaukar is a fascinating one!
The Sardaukar were indeed the most feared soldiers in the Imperium, known for their brutal training and unwavering loyalty to the Emperor. They were raised in the harsh conditions of Salusa Secundus, which forged them into elite warriors.
Duke Leto Atreides invested heavily in training his troops, and under the guidance of skilled leaders like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, the Atreides soldiers became a formidable force. While they might not have reached the same level as the Sardaukar in terms of sheer ferocity and conditioning, they were highly disciplined and well-trained, earning respect and fear from their enemies.
In the books and adaptations, it’s suggested that the Atreides soldiers were close to matching the Sardaukar, especially in terms of tactical effectiveness and morale. The Emperor’s fear of Duke Leto’s growing power and the potential of his army was one of the reasons for the betrayal and the subsequent attack on House Atreides.
In a direct confrontation, the Sardaukar might still have the edge due to their extreme training and conditioning. However, the Atreides soldiers, with their superior leadership and strategic acumen, could potentially hold their own, especially if they had the element of surprise or advantageous terrain.
It’s a testament to the strength and potential of House Atreides that they were seen as a significant threat to the Emperor’s power.
_What do you think would have happened if the Atreides had more time to build their forces?_
Inspiration for the Adepta Sororitas no doubt.
It is. It's widely believed that Games Workshop directly took a lot of inspiration from Dune and the founders of GW was huge fan of fantasy and sci-fi media, one of them being Dune.
Yes because all my female co-workers get along fantastically.
And women make better elite special forces 😮
@@hiddendragon415 lol no they dont
@@masakata7040 You missed my emjoi?
@@hiddendragon415 There is no difference genius.
@@kingace6186 Oh there is, just as women cannot compete with men in sports.
“I can fix her.”
No you don't. They gut you before doing anything
"You see, the worm man isnt reallh go..."
*proceeds to be slain by fishspeaker*
The Fish Speakers physiques & musculature is described in surprising detail. They would look like Female Professional BodyBuilders.
And still be weaker than men
In God Emperor of Dune Nayla a Fish Speaker and one of the main characters in the story was described as extremely muscular and strong. She can easily lift a man weighing 200 kilos with one hand.
@@Tinhamodic
Damn this scifi roids 😂😂😂
i mean, gotta hand it to Leto for preserving humanity whatever it takes... whatever name it takes 😂
The reasoning is something I don’t think I ever understood. Like it doesn’t fully line up. A male military will become predatory but not a male god emperor?
"He was a biggest predator humanity ever had" his words
@@blacyc well then it’s a good thing he didn’t put himself in any kind of lasting power or he might just end up as a hypocrite
@@DeadlyEnzyme thanks to Shalaihulud!
Technically not
Big spoiler:
Well, at this point he wasn’t a male after he sacrificed his humanity and became a worm hybrid, also he had ancestral memories since before his birth of both his male and female ancestors
Pretty sure that's the point. The god emperor was there to be a tyrant and break the cycle of the universe of blindly following or worshipping a god, or an emperor
They were such a good military force, they fell apart after Leto II's death.
I mean obviously! They were like a cult of elite special forces obviously they fell apart after their god died.
They had no further purpose in serving him. After the scattering they became something more deadly.
Leto II picked all women because an all man force would have eventually turned gay and distracted while all women would harness Karen energy to an obsessive degree. Its in the book dont cry at me
And gets even worse in the last two ones.
B R U H.... Just how much did Warhammer 40k steal from Dune!?
A lot. The founders of Games Workshop was themself avid readers of existing sci-fi works and one of them being Dune.
"...once a month, the Empire's people and the god-emperor himself were forced to hide until the Fish Speakers had overcome their dreaded 'red tide' that brought irrational angst, irrational anger and disproportionate overreaction to anything..."
The Fish Speaker Kit gives me Eldar vibes.
Ironic
If an male army is predatory, I couldn’t imagine what a female army would be like😳
Backstabbing paranoid & delusional
So basically the Inquisitors
Leto. Icon.
Fishspeakers? There is a joke about underwear in there...
In the Dune Universe women trained in the bene gesserit ways have control of their periods and can most likely choose not to have them.
They were the best fighters in times of peace? I think that’s why they were chosen, bc they were more stable than a group of dudes who have no enemies to fight for 3 thousand years. So yeah they are good at doing nothing really, there’s no war in Letos empire
That makes Sense.
What do you think happened when the Fremen and Sardaukar were disbanded?
@@princepscivitatis4083The Fremen and Sardukar both survived on plot armor in the first place. Elite infantry really shouldn't be a deciding factor in a setting with spaceships.
Humanity in Dune is basically a worthless species intentionally cultivated to be useless by Bene Gesserit genetic and long term psychological meddling. The only remotely competent ones are the Ixians and everyone is so scared of them they get mistreated throughout the timeline in order to prevent them and their basic competence as engineers from destroying the moronic balance that the Bene Gesserit, Bene Tlelaxu, and various other Mentats have created.
@@GonnaDieNeverIxians? Technological inovators? They are Criminals of Science in my Empire!
Brutal dictatorships are not peaceful places...
Leto II knew what he was doing 8====D
I’m just going to put it out there that there are PLENTY of women just as, if not more so, prone to bored violence as their male counterparts.
That is true, the explanation in the books was basically that when women weren't needed in the military they were basically mandatory transferred to being mothers. The logic is it changes them from bring adolescent fighters to adult parents more focused on community.
If I remember correctly it specifically had to do with rape, lady troops being less capable of rape than Fremen & Saurdukar
Women☕️
Love women in general ❤
Yeah, Frank Herbert's politics and psychology are a bit weird... Sometimes I have to suspend my disbelief while readinf the series
I read the entire series, where is it mentionned that they're considered to be so great of an armed force?
Fish speakers vs battle sisters
Question, iam pretty new to Dune. So why does the Emperor look like half sand worm, half human ?
A BIG SPOILER
Because, Leto II, the second son of Paul and Chani, choose to guide humanity into a new era of peace and prosperity, but first they had to suffer A LOT, we talk about thousands of years, so to survive that long and also to be unbeatable he combined his DNA with a sandworm fetus, so across the decades, he became a Hybrid, but don't understate his abilities, his more powerful than any other character in Dune franchise.
Big spoilers if you have not read the books.
So during the final act of Children of Dune, Paul’s second son Leto II is loaded with spice and he wanders into the desert and finds sand trout. They are what become sand worms so he picks them up and they start to merge with his flesh creating a type of membrane armour over his flesh and through it. So 3500 years after that happens he has evolved almost completely into a sand worm human hybrid. He states that given enough time he will become a full blown sand worm, but during the events of God Emperor that does not happen. That’s as far as I’ll go.
It's a very long story.
He put his pp inside of a sandtrout
Sounds like that what would be part 4 or 5. But those are rarely ever made. The 3rd movie will probably be the last one for years.
Theyre all female because in Leto's eyes females care more about life and the community and that men discover the importance of life theough conflict and therefore having a male army would cause more needless conflict. He also sees the females to be more comminity based than males and he wanted his army to be as dependent on him as absolutely possible.
The whole all female army not becoming predatory just shows how little Frank knew women. Men are amateurs compared to the agressivness and hostility of women.
Thats why duncan was the goat he wqs thr leader of them
Yeah... about what happens to them a few years in the future...
An all-female fighting force named..."The Fish Speakers." Am I the only one who picked up on the innuendo?
No what is it?
@@mylesvmiles7571pussy talks
Lol the white haired fish speakers...ok
The memes 👏 🤩 🤣 😆 😂
Cool but why thw f name them Fish speakers 😂
They don't, not really... As per the Dune enclopedia:
_The existence of the Fish Speakers, and especially of their religious and military devotion, can be best explained by the significance offish: a divine life symbol from antiquity. Which species became the dominant symbol is disputed. According to Fish Speaker legend, the sandtrout so important in Dune history is a relict form of a now-extinct lungfish, but trout are very similar to salmon, and the Legend of the Silver Salmon - a large fish with oracular powers and a reputation for escaping all nets and lures - persisted in Fremen culture despite the absence of water_
There are passages that describe women having greater potential as soldiers than men but the reasons aren't explained clearly, they're left to the reader to determine. I think one reason is that if physical abilities are levelled out through genetic manipulation or become irrelevant by way of technology the mentality of women is more suited to soldiering than men's. I think Leto may have seen women as less competitive and ambitious and easier to lead.
Because they were named after an ancient sect of priestesses who used to worship a fish deity
I love how doing went from doing to like 40K like you watch the movie and then you read any of the book or listen to any of the videos and it's just the original 40K
Dune came first my dude
You are not a very intelligent person are you?
Battle sister
Why is the dude always a worm ????
He became a human sandworm hybrid so he could have "significantly increased speed and strength" and he lived like 3000 yrs long doing"Leto's Peace"
TOTALITARIANISM: When your clandestine military troupe has so much power and reach that they’re present and, more importantly the dominant & driving voice, in your bureaucracy, diplomacy, and religion. These are the main structures within a civilization, so it’s ironic* that the God Worm expressed that he was not in favor of male militaries because they’re inherently predatory when his governing practice was obviously modeled the same.
*But when you think about it, it’s not ironic, but expected in individuals who engage in shadow wars are paranoid and fearful of the same tactics they employed to assert power. All of this ‘advancement’ and the character was still written to suffer from very basic, human flaws. This should be noted that it may be impossible for us to correctly write about the motivations of being said to be that further advanced than us because one would assume that we’d be beyond this particular set of moral trappings and on to newer ones (as well as a newer way of even existing) by that point.
The tyrant gave the people more of the same. He did this to an extreme so that they would never choose to operate in these same ways again. It was intentional on his part so they would not fall into the same power structure traps again.
@@kerrimichi530 He’s putting a great deal of confidence in the populace recognizing this stratagem, understanding his unspoken intention, having the moral fiber to do better, and the harmony to act in concert with each to achieve the desired result. That’s too many variables present to be assured that his very human followers wouldn’t fumble along the way. I think you’re giving him too much credit, this scenario comes across too fantastical to be real unfortunately.
One emperor has an army of women the other one has an army of men
nice thought in THEORY
So, Adepta sororotas? 😂
Games Workshop took a lot of direct inspiration from other existing media. The founders of GW were also huge fans of sci-fi works and one of them being Dune.
@@DarkZerol indeed. It's just funny how similar they are, that's all
The god emperor about to realize that he made a mistake 😂. As woman wouldn’t have evil within as a man 😂😂😂😂
But why did they speak to fish?
They don't, not really... As per the Dune enclopedia:
_The existence of the Fish Speakers, and especially of their religious and military devotion, can be best explained by the significance offish: a divine life symbol from antiquity. Which species became the dominant symbol is disputed. According to Fish Speaker legend, the sandtrout so important in Dune history is a relict form of a now-extinct lungfish, but trout are very similar to salmon, and the Legend of the Silver Salmon - a large fish with oracular powers and a reputation for escaping all nets and lures - persisted in Fremen culture despite the absence of water_
There are passages that describe women having greater potential as soldiers than men but the reasons aren't explained clearly, they're left to the reader to determine. I think one reason is that if physical abilities are levelled out through genetic manipulation or become irrelevant by way of technology the mentality of women is more suited to soldiering than men's. I think Leto may have seen women as less competitive and ambitious and easier to lead.
@@DarkZerol let me ask you something, as you seem to know dune and I think this is simply something frank herbert blundered. You know that shooting a laser into a shield causes a nuclear explosion or something similar.
Why didn't the harkonnen simply sent a couple of guys to shoot some slaves using shields to kill the atreides instead of a whole army which was way more expensive?
And also why didn't the fremen simply used the same strategy agaisnt the Harkonnen before? If you can turn anything into an atomic bomb cheaply sounds like something worth using
TRUTH
The sexism in this comment section is so sad it’s insane! Even fictional women are not safe from you weirdos
Don't get your panties in a bunch
Right, these freaks are pressed
totally capable 3 weeks a month.
Pretty sure Bene Gesereit trained eomen can conrol thatvpart of their body
I am also just as capable as a doctor during my period so what are you insinuating?
@ninipanini11 karen is that you?
We WaNt FeMaLe FiSh SpEakEr #whameeen
So Leto II essentially ignored biology and discarded men
Dude, guns don't care who pulls the trigger
@@hadrien5684dude... Swords do care who swings them.
@@fearlesspotato3429dude it’s a fictional world where people can make others to kill themselves by speaking words. For Christ sake the leader is a fucking worm. Leave your weird gender politics out of it.
@@fearlesspotato3429 Nah, if you're squashing revolutionaries with tech that's literally thousands of years behind yours, they really don't lol
@@hadrien5684 Problem is...
Tech is not thousands of years behind them.
Everyone is pretty much in the same level.
So physical fitness matters most
Dumbest idea Herbert had. For a guy that was so concerned with a realistic examination of human nature in the first book, he went completely off the rails with this concept. 🙄
It's actually on purpose.
SPOILER:
If you read the last two books, you see how they degenerate into something worse: honored matres.
It's part of Leto II being "wrong" because he decided not to look that far into the future. That's often discussed in Chapterhouse
@@sprksmr7208 interesting. I didn't know that. I stopped at God Emperor because it seemed like a good conclusion. Thanks for the info. I may have to pick up Heretics.
@sprksmr7208 weren't the honored matres just bene geserette who left during the great scattering? I might be wrong but didn't the fish speakers just hang with Duncan Idaho after the God emperors death
@@MM-hf6om spoilers for Chapterhouse if you haven't read it.
After Murbella goes through the Agony and unlocks her Other Memories, it's discovered that Honored Matres are actually descendants from Fish Speakers and their sex enthrallment is a degeneration of the Siaynoq ritual they practiced in GEoD. Though they absorbed some BG splinters, but most that went into the original Scattering were erradicated.
@@sprksmr7208 gotcha. I stopped about a quarter into heretics . Mostly because I felt we weren't going anywhere anymore. God emperor of dune kinda feels like a finale
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Wow, lot of Dune shit-shorts lately.
This isn't shit. Could you do better? If so, shut up and do it.
Not bad idea. Cus literally all wars in human history were started by men lol
If that's what you think then you haven't read history my friend. On average female rulers were twice as brutal.
@@samuelbishop1701 kind of a fallacy just like the one you replied to, many female rulers have to be twice as brutal as their male counterparts to be taken seriously, on the other hand, so many war started by male is because history is male dominant, it would still be the same if the gender role is reversed.
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This is why Leto went with an all girls army
@@samuelbishop1701 There weren't many female rulers in history so the sample size of what you described may be a bit off
Most wars were caused by women or the acquisition of women or resources. Always remember men have overt power women have covert power.
perfect force…. for modern Hollywood😂
Not very smart idea considering women are extremely less capable in fighting. Maybe they've evolved in Dune universe somehow... 😂
Well it is Science-FICTION. People in Science Fiction stories tend to have Advanced or Enhanced Attributes. But as a Military Vet i agree with you Lol
Say that when a MMA fighter beats your ass lol
Nah, a properly trained woman can kick an average man's ass. IRL
And they use weapons, I don't think someone's gender matters when it comes to firing a gun.
You are misogynistic. Women have pain tolerances once a month alone that would incapacitate men. Pathetic.
@@Sidewinder528You are also wrong.
Lasguns? This is not 40k
Lasguns were in Dune first. A lot of 40k stuff are inspired from Dune.
Bruh
@@johnpascua3351 not "all", but most...yes.
ain't no way this guy said dune copying 40k
@@johnpascua3351"inspired"
Fremin-nazis? No thanks.
They're not but whatever I guess...The book goes in full detail on what they are.
Every single writing just feels like shitty fanfiction nowadays.
Standards are so much higher than this now. God dune is such a letdown.
"nowadays"? what the fuck are you talking about? dune is from 1965, it inspired a massive majority of big sci-fi settings lmao, I'm pretty sure you just saw "women" and "soldiers" and got mad
I recommend reading “God Emperor of Dune” still. While some of Herbert’s views may not have aged well, there is just so much philosophical input in this book it is a marvel to experience
Most modern fiction is desperately trying to be as relevant as dune has been. All scifi since the 1960s has just copied dune, bud.
@@valon5069 It's also really fun to argue with Leto II. Because he isn't an all knowing worm man, he's a sock puppet for Franks ideas.
Yeah it gets pretty dumb the further into it you go.