It’s simply a case of cut content. Richtofen was originally supposed to betray Ultimis after Keno, revealing his evil plan, and then embark on a secret mission to the Moon, where we would confront him in the final map, alongside Gersh, who was intended to be the fourth playable character. We were supposed to play as Gersh instead of Richtofen, which is why the poster depicted him. However, they decided to scrap this idea and replaced Gersh with Richtofen, making him resemble Gersh on the poster to minimize confusion. To set things right, they added the Monty radio in ZC and kept Richtofen’s uniform. But hey, it’s just a theory a game theory
What if they didn't met Gersh before Ascension but actually AFTER Ascension? I mean, they did go back in time a lot, like in Shangri-La or Classified, and now that i think about it, Classified DID happen after Yuri sent Gersch into the Device, and BEFORE the Events of Ascension (by date i mean). So what if Gersch was actually teleported into the Petagon or Area 51, fights alongside Ultimis while Richtofen goes doing whatever he was going to do (maybe something to do with the Teleporter to the Moon? Idk), and then Richtofen comes back and traps Gersch, being in the state we see him in Ascension. That would also explain why Takeo is using the Winter's Howl on that Poster, and why there are Nova Crawnlers too, because you can find them on Classified. And let's remember, when you go to Area 51 on Classified, it is Night, but when you begin a Match in Moon, it is Day, which means at least 1 day gap between Classified and Moon beginning (and obviously, when you go to the Moon itself, Ultimis are Time-Traveling to 2025).
Can you make a video of the differences of chronicles to the originals? Not as in map layout but storyline wise I didn't know they were in a different universe, and how do they connect?
Storyline wise, it’s essentially the same. They take place in a different universe because it is a multiverse, and they’re stuck in a loop. Chronicles takes place after Revelations, which is why it’s the loop.
Infinite timelines = infinite variation. Maybe we didnt see them fight together, but Monty did. Being a higher dimensional being, Monty might not see the difference between an Ultimis who has and has npt fought alongside Gersch?
This is a clear case of retconning, they tried to fit this mistake into the convoluted Aether timeline. They probably wanted to give all characters spacesuits to fit the theme of the map, but they scrapped the idea after modeling Richtofen, then they either used this model by mistake or used it simply to not leave it on the cutting room floor. Then the guy doing the illustration for the poster simply didn’t pay enough attention to the model and thought Richtofen was bald.
Nice vid BOA :) I saw one thing that really surprised me till this day and no one talks about it which is the blood silhouette we see on many walls in Kino Der Toten who is in fact the guy with a card in his hand with the catchphrase "only the cursed survive" silhouette if you look very closely. That's one detail I wanted to share.
Nah I think it was definitely Gersch in the poster, all the other characters look extremely similar to their in-game models while the bald guy looks like an entirely new character. My guess is that at one point in development Gersch was going to be the 4th playable character, while Richtofen was inside the rocket, giving the player the choice to let him get to the Moon or blow him up with the Ray Gun if they didn’t trust him. And Richtofen is even in an astronaut suit.
Considering die rise introduced cycles in the map itself maybe while richtofen left the rest of the crew was living out multiplayer games of ascension with gershe
You caught My attention with the word "ZOMBIES", You HOOKED Me with word "CONSPIRACY"😮 (I Swear to GOD, if I didnt have a PIZZA in the oven I wouldnt have stopped. Just TRUTHIN ❤)
A case I'd say for rictophens simple change of outfit, is simply cos Treyarch didn't want him in the Nazi uniform anymore, yknow swastikas n shit lol, unclear about the rest tho
Think of this like the ending cutscenes for BotD. Gersch could well have worked with the crew, while Richthofen is off doing whatever(personal conspiracy for another day); and like BotD, when all is said and done NO ONE WILL EVEN REMEMBER! All to do with exposure to 115
Its probably a retcon. Jason B was notorious for making new meaning to Jimmy Z's work. I'm not saying its bad, but its clear the two directors had very different ideas for how to handle the story line. This was Jason way of answering whatever Jimmy was planning, but we still don't know what Jimmy's original plan was. As for Ultimas not recognising Gersh, its probably a "Multiverse" thing. Simply put in an alternate timeline Gersh teamed up with Ultimas, but we never see it beyond the poster and Monty's radio. But our Ultimas crew never experienced that. Just like how we see multiple versions of Ultimas (The main crew from WaW, BO1 and BO4 is one timeline, then the alternate versions they sacrificed in BO3 are different timelines)
Honestly the more I look at “bald” Richtofen the more it just looks like the white glowing outline behind the characters is making his already super short hair and white side burns look like the sheen of a bald head which makes all the theory’s and retconning exactly just that… lol
didn’t you make a video on this years ago and JB said it wasn’t richtofen whenever him and milo linked up or one of the other zombies yt content creators
Yes he likely did, while I like this guys videos there is only so much content from these games to make videos on so he often recycles stuff or puts a twist on it
It's yarin or gersh him on poster. Yarin betrayed gersh by trapping him in gersh device and yarin went to five and became pentagon theif as his betrayal backfired. What would happen on monkey round if you have no perks? Would they all rush you?
I do like the fill in the gaps of the story type of videos. Even though this was a conspiracy video. You added in some knowledge of the story and potential scenarios that these characters may of found themselves in.
Maybe Richtofen didn't tell them who it was. Even if he did, with their constant exposure to element 115 they would have a very hard time remembering even the simplest of faces and voices that they spent time with. It would make sense why they would remember each other cause they're all ways together. Whereas Gersh only joined for a period of time. The combined effect of memory loss from 115 and being told what to do by Richtofen could be the reason they don't remember. Constant distractions and simply don't remember
I think it meant to be Richtofen the guy who did the artist didn't understand. I would take what Jason says with a little bit of salt I don't believe he was officially evolved with zombies during the time of ascensions making and even if he was he wasn't the director. Honestly I think you're correct
I saw from another comment saying irl it was just a game change But in my head cannon it’s another universe similar how there’s a universe where they all have one arm Or it’s cause 115 messes up memory some perk lines and stuff Potentially 935 messing up time
It's definitely a retcon. The bald man looks exactly like the one that blasts the zombie with the ray gun in the Zombies Labs moon teaser. It's the same guy. I think Jason just wanted to retcon something that didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Just a thoery what if richtofen in the space suit is the richtofen from moon then after the events on moon dlc4 he gets send back to assertions map hens why he is in the suit
It’s simply a case of cut content. Richtofen was originally supposed to betray Ultimis after Keno, revealing his evil plan, and then embark on a secret mission to the Moon, where we would confront him in the final map, alongside Gersh, who was intended to be the fourth playable character. We were supposed to play as Gersh instead of Richtofen, which is why the poster depicted him. However, they decided to scrap this idea and replaced Gersh with Richtofen, making him resemble Gersh on the poster to minimize confusion. To set things right, they added the Monty radio in ZC and kept Richtofen’s uniform. But hey, it’s just a theory a game theory
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I remember this and i was so hype about all of this. Man zombies was so amazing back then. I really hope the new stuff pulls us outta this lul
@@PaktNiselyzombies is even better now, WE HAVE LIBERTY BALZZ!
@@ghostrunner5600no bro, if you have seen the gameplay, it’s WARZONE with zombies…
Thanks for the TLDR
there are also crawlers on the poster which aren't in Ascension...
And the Winter's Howl
@@GEONEgamingand the dg2 lol
Richthofen is the last person who should be left unsupervised.
Within only 5 minutes, Richthofen probably can start another disaster
@@silvialuzmia *gets stuck in a timeloop and fucks some shit up*
He is far too silly to be left unsupervised
Theory, the timeline was changed and they don't remember working with him because it was changed so much
That's valid. Maybe when the cycle broke, that didn't happen? I could just be an idiot tho hahaha
What if they didn't met Gersh before Ascension but actually AFTER Ascension? I mean, they did go back in time a lot, like in Shangri-La or Classified, and now that i think about it, Classified DID happen after Yuri sent Gersch into the Device, and BEFORE the Events of Ascension (by date i mean). So what if Gersch was actually teleported into the Petagon or Area 51, fights alongside Ultimis while Richtofen goes doing whatever he was going to do (maybe something to do with the Teleporter to the Moon? Idk), and then Richtofen comes back and traps Gersch, being in the state we see him in Ascension. That would also explain why Takeo is using the Winter's Howl on that Poster, and why there are Nova Crawnlers too, because you can find them on Classified. And let's remember, when you go to Area 51 on Classified, it is Night, but when you begin a Match in Moon, it is Day, which means at least 1 day gap between Classified and Moon beginning (and obviously, when you go to the Moon itself, Ultimis are Time-Traveling to 2025).
Can you make a video of the differences of chronicles to the originals? Not as in map layout but storyline wise I didn't know they were in a different universe, and how do they connect?
Storyline wise, it’s essentially the same. They take place in a different universe because it is a multiverse, and they’re stuck in a loop. Chronicles takes place after Revelations, which is why it’s the loop.
Dr Retcon Monty
I love the cod zombies storyline back in the day
Infinite timelines = infinite variation. Maybe we didnt see them fight together, but Monty did. Being a higher dimensional being, Monty might not see the difference between an Ultimis who has and has npt fought alongside Gersch?
This is a clear case of retconning, they tried to fit this mistake into the convoluted Aether timeline. They probably wanted to give all characters spacesuits to fit the theme of the map, but they scrapped the idea after modeling Richtofen, then they either used this model by mistake or used it simply to not leave it on the cutting room floor. Then the guy doing the illustration for the poster simply didn’t pay enough attention to the model and thought Richtofen was bald.
Nice vid BOA :)
I saw one thing that really surprised me till this day and no one talks about it which is the blood silhouette we see on many walls in Kino Der Toten who is in fact the guy with a card in his hand with the catchphrase "only the cursed survive" silhouette if you look very closely. That's one detail I wanted to share.
I just figured Richtofen wore a space suit because wearing that nazi uniform post 1945 would be a bad idea
Thats true lol
Richtofen could be standing behind Dempsey
First, hi, love your video, BOA, and keep up the great work. You are awesome, and there is a lot of mystery and there going to be more
Nah I think it was definitely Gersch in the poster, all the other characters look extremely similar to their in-game models while the bald guy looks like an entirely new character. My guess is that at one point in development Gersch was going to be the 4th playable character, while Richtofen was inside the rocket, giving the player the choice to let him get to the Moon or blow him up with the Ray Gun if they didn’t trust him. And Richtofen is even in an astronaut suit.
Plot twist, Gersh fought alongside Primis, not Ultimis
Think it’s Richtofen since he always wore a hat so I always thought he was a skin head
Considering die rise introduced cycles in the map itself maybe while richtofen left the rest of the crew was living out multiplayer games of ascension with gershe
You caught My attention with the word
"ZOMBIES",
You HOOKED Me with word "CONSPIRACY"😮
(I Swear to GOD, if I didnt have a PIZZA in the oven I wouldnt have stopped. Just TRUTHIN ❤)
richtofen decided to get that mr clean haircut for the ascension poster only (i know its gersh)
A case I'd say for rictophens simple change of outfit, is simply cos Treyarch didn't want him in the Nazi uniform anymore, yknow swastikas n shit lol, unclear about the rest tho
How dare they..... Actually get a laugh whenever I play waw or black ops and see how many arm bands and banners there are lolol
I mean yeah it was originally NAZI zombies…yaknow before everyone got so soy and woke
He’s bald
Think of this like the ending cutscenes for BotD. Gersch could well have worked with the crew, while Richthofen is off doing whatever(personal conspiracy for another day); and like BotD, when all is said and done NO ONE WILL EVEN REMEMBER! All to do with exposure to 115
99% of people: THE BALD GUY ON THE POSTER!!!
Me: Why does Takeo have the Winter's howl in the poster when it's not on the map?
Its probably a retcon. Jason B was notorious for making new meaning to Jimmy Z's work. I'm not saying its bad, but its clear the two directors had very different ideas for how to handle the story line.
This was Jason way of answering whatever Jimmy was planning, but we still don't know what Jimmy's original plan was.
As for Ultimas not recognising Gersh, its probably a "Multiverse" thing. Simply put in an alternate timeline Gersh teamed up with Ultimas, but we never see it beyond the poster and Monty's radio. But our Ultimas crew never experienced that. Just like how we see multiple versions of Ultimas (The main crew from WaW, BO1 and BO4 is one timeline, then the alternate versions they sacrificed in BO3 are different timelines)
Honestly the more I look at “bald” Richtofen the more it just looks like the white glowing outline behind the characters is making his already super short hair and white side burns look like the sheen of a bald head which makes all the theory’s and retconning exactly just that… lol
Couldn't Gersch fighting alongside Ultimis happen between Ascension and Call of the Dead?
didn’t you make a video on this years ago and JB said it wasn’t richtofen whenever him and milo linked up or one of the other zombies yt content creators
Yes he likely did, while I like this guys videos there is only so much content from these games to make videos on so he often recycles stuff or puts a twist on it
Is he the bald person?
"No" *stares into our souls*
He's just farming rabbits of betrayal
The truth is that they couldn't find a voice actor
Imagine people being like “nah if it ain’t the German guy I’m not doing him”
i think the poster is a reference to inglourious basterds
More cod zombies vids W you never run out of content
please do more videos like this
It's yarin or gersh him on poster. Yarin betrayed gersh by trapping him in gersh device and yarin went to five and became pentagon theif as his betrayal backfired. What would happen on monkey round if you have no perks? Would they all rush you?
I do like the fill in the gaps of the story type of videos. Even though this was a conspiracy video. You added in some knowledge of the story and potential scenarios that these characters may of found themselves in.
Maybe Richtofen didn't tell them who it was. Even if he did, with their constant exposure to element 115 they would have a very hard time remembering even the simplest of faces and voices that they spent time with. It would make sense why they would remember each other cause they're all ways together. Whereas Gersh only joined for a period of time. The combined effect of memory loss from 115 and being told what to do by Richtofen could be the reason they don't remember. Constant distractions and simply don't remember
I always thought it was gersh
I think it meant to be Richtofen the guy who did the artist didn't understand. I would take what Jason says with a little bit of salt I don't believe he was officially evolved with zombies during the time of ascensions making and even if he was he wasn't the director. Honestly I think you're correct
Jason has been there since waw so yeah I'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about
He became the Executive Producer for black ops and then Campaign Design Director for Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Brother he started helping with zombies back in Der Riese WAW. Don’t take anything he says with a grain of salt
Honestly hate all these alternate timeline that plague every story nowadays. Not everything needs a multiverse!
This video is about a game from 2011.
Question what do they eat the characters
Gobblegum
I saw from another comment saying irl it was just a game change
But in my head cannon it’s another universe similar how there’s a universe where they all have one arm
Or it’s cause 115 messes up memory some perk lines and stuff
Potentially 935 messing up time
Just seems like a Treyarch thing. It's not a mistake, it's a possibly canonical event in some timeline.
Goddamn, Richthofen not tacking group photos
What I would do for a follow-up map to this of that timeline with Gersch
Maybe during moon when richtofen was in the MPD
Cod zombies always have good conspiracy theories.
yo didnt know this was today, shit is crazy
...different time line
It's definitely a retcon. The bald man looks exactly like the one that blasts the zombie with the ray gun in the Zombies Labs moon teaser. It's the same guy. I think Jason just wanted to retcon something that didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Ah back when the lore wasn’t a ridiculous multiple-universe space elder god cowboy sci-fi.
This already feels like Zombies is turning into a Simulation
What else did you think it was lol it’s always been a simulation it’s in a war game
Just a thoery what if richtofen in the space suit is the richtofen from moon then after the events on moon dlc4 he gets send back to assertions map hens why he is in the suit