Tbow H8 25" Target Recurve Bow review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- We look at the Tbow H8 recurve riser. We fit the Junxing Formula Carbon limbs and test the bow. We discuss how this bow stacks up compared to other recurve risers.
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Steven you are hilarious, and good on you for not taking life to seriously! We are on your side mate!
I’m glad you have a good sense of humour!!!!!! Please, stay happy, stay an educator, stay being you! 😂😂😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
As i clicked on this video.... i laughed... Steve wearing safety gear??? ... but he's an aussie. Then you take it all off.... great video sir. Keep it real always.
Thanks for honest, factual reviews of archery equipment. I have been out of archery for awhile and I really your straight forward reviews. Keep up the good work.
Jake Kaminski have put up a video showing the limb bolts coming off
Sample size of one. Nothing more.
@@roverjohn yup due to being a sample size of one, its nothing more than that....
My first serious riser is a used KAP (Win&Win) Winstorm 2 riser.
My point: I would NEVER be serious in archery if I can NOT afford the gear. Steve isn’t wrong, people need entry gear
I have the H7 and H9 risers and I'm impressed with the quality and machine work of both risers. The limb bolt threaded bores are machined great and the threads are smooth.
Thanks for your common sense approach to archery......you are needed.
You are lucky
@@LuqmanHMThanks
@@dannyhembree1312you could have gotten Jake' Kaminski's sample, which is dangerous
@@LuqmanHMIf he will send it to me I'll fix it and shoot it but I need a set of Formula limbs. All I have are ILF.
A work friend pointed me to a regional event in Pakistan on TH-cam. Luckily, English commentary. The biggest entrace, by for, was for the "people's boW". It's a local wooden one-piece from several layers of wood. It seemed to be part glued and part held together with thick string. . The competitors were probably better than average - but were having fun.
I never rely upon opinion of just one person. If I'm looking for anything and I need opinion of profesionals, usually i'm looking serveral and make my own mind.
"It always comes back to the archer." No truer words. When I was younger I shot a lot of pool....I mean a lot. I became a very good pool player. Even though I had my own stick(s) for when I played on leagues and in tournaments, I still went to the local pubs a lot to shoot pool and never brought my own sticks with me...but a lot of guys did. Thing is, I and usually won just as much or more shooting using a house pool stick over the guys with their $500 pool queues. Used to piss them off too !!
With these videos , you are spoiling us Steven, Very funny , keep up the fantastic work. thank you
It’s a great looking riser in white! Don’t think I’d move from ILF limbs, but thanks for the video 👍
Good one mate!!!
love your work steven. i learn a lot of things and tips regarding archery equipment. love the helmet lol.
I am torn about that riser.
While having affordable options is a nice thing, promoting a company that makes their profit of another companies IP is not right.
It is quite obvious they wanted to copy Hoyt as much as possible, from the riser to the packaging.
I do not think any dealer who stacks Hoyt would risk annoying them by adding that copy to their inventory.
Especially US dealers.
On the other hand less scrupulous dealers might try to rip off customer by selling that riser as a Hoyt riser. Getting a hold of a Hoyt decal and bag might not be a real problem to fake someone who does not know that these copies exist.
Not sure if Hoyt has an patents or design copyrights on that riser, but if thats the case, they can easily make their claim and US and EU customs would confiscate all copied risers they catch at the borders.
I would be now very careful on internet sales especially of used Hoyt risers, as they might be such a copy.
And about affordable, it is not so that there were not already enough options for the aspiring archer on a low budget.
You named them all if your video.
Yes he named them, they were Yellow, green, purple, red, orange, black and pink makes. 😂 These are the makes that people want. 😊
Love your reviews Steven. Thank you.
Great video Steve. I'm not shooting this, my bow is gillo with uukha but i also have hoyt one which arrived with bad paintwork...When I've complained to my supplier, they told me taht, i can't argue with hoyt standards 😅
Outstanding group Steven.
...dangerously good ;)
That's the exact question i had. Is it value in the price bracket? Thanks for answering and nice helmet free shooting BTW. 😂 👍 👍
Agree. In the USA the market is compound hunting bows. I have never seen target bows or Olympic recurves in a shop so i will be forced to build mine online and hope it works...which is why i have not spent the money yet...I hate guessing.
Like the videos bud
Love the videos mate, Can you please review the topoint unison top-x foam carbon limbs please if you have them on hand. I have the unison endeavour limbs and was looking to upgrade. Thanks
lemme get popcorn while i wait for nu sensei to make a video on this aswell.
Jake just released another video on this bow. You should check it out, Steven
He surely has seen it by now, and is coming up with some new bs to make a video about. If he’s smart he’ll admit he made assumptions and jumped to conclusions about both Jake’s “privilege” and his credibility regarding equipment.
@@jobagoat tbf, he's still quite privileged to have been born and raised in the US. Try living in a third world country like I am, for instance. It's either very hard or very expensive (relative to income per capita) to get proper coaching. It's really rare to find even a used riser that is in usable condition. So, yeah. I'm not supporting the cheap knock off manufacturer, but if you can't even comprehend Steven's point of view, get lost, man. Jake couldn't even come up with the correct M12 x 1.25 specification
@@amrazing33 I understand the consumer viewpoint, I can’t condone someone who makes a living off selling products from reputable brands choosing to carry counterfeit products. My gripes with this video lie within the attacks on personal character based on assumptions and little focus on the terrible tolerances that Jake showed in his video. Of course SH runs a business so I understand why he made this video, but I believe this video is a poor look on him as a business owner and person as a whole.
@@jobagoat tbf to him, like I said earlier. Jake really sounded like he rushed things so he couldn't even present simple facts correctly. My point is they're both great TH-cam archery personalities. We need them both. Neither is perfect. If you want to point fingers, the latest Jake's video also tried to throw some punches towards Steven. But if nobody can enforce Tbow's practice here, there's nothing we can do. Because Jake's points in the video seem to be nullified in Steven's. Because Steven's bow seemed to work perfectly fine. So, idk. Chill out, man
Great video. Agree 100% on the entry level bow verses the top of the line bow. The occasional entry level, novice archer, should buy equipment that they can afford comfortably. I have met affluent people buy the best i.e. most expensive bow on the market but don't shoot very well. No, buying the best bow on the market does not guarantee great scores.
Also I would strongly recommend customers buy bows, or any equipment, from a quality, reliable, knowledgeable dealer like yourself. I have seen people buy a bow from unreliable sources. If there is a problem with the bow e.g. limb bolts riser, limbs etc., that they bought from the unreliable source, then they may have problems getting a replacement, advice etc.
No amount of money will make you a better archer. Bows like this have their place in any hand.
Agree. Hoyt won't guarantee gold medal. 😊
Another great review, 😊 your correct about the naming, although it's changing slowly
Will be interested if you also happened to have H6 and can do a review on it. Thanks 🙏
Having worked in a camera store, I had to shoot with everything (in order to explain WHERE the menu options are to the customers).
I shot with every camera (at the time). I can sympathise with an archery retailer having shot everything they sell. 👍🏼
Well done.
If its not a safety issue then price point is personal and I shot with a father & son today which will be that exact issue.
I do have one question though, with cast vs machined, is there a poundage point where the cast becomes unacceptable or is it just manufacturer dependant? thanks.
To my best knowledge most manufacturers recommend #40 maximum as the peak poundage for cast riser. When stringwalking with barebow the limit is even lower; I read another netizen's comment that he saw a cast riser snapped when being used as barebow with stringwalking, and the poundage is only #36.
Back in the old days all bows were cast. Machined risers break too. When I googled broken recurves the two Hoyts came up in fact I think the only target recurves. With cast they can be fine however if they break it will just snap. With machined you will see cracks first. Risers tend to be very good. Recurve risers I think I have only seen the Machined ones go and they were older Hoyt Machined risers.
On compounds risers are very solid - back years ago the old Cast Martin riser we had 2 break. Most bows are tested for years of shooting.
thanks.@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale
Should have used the smaller size limb-bolt they provided Jake with His riser. Would have been more entertaining.
We had this issue before with another bow. It was fine wound up. It was only when you wound it down you noticed the bolt was smaller. The problem occured several months ago on one batch of limb bolts.
Ive been reading some of these comments and find some over the top from elite recurve bow competitors. Others from archers that dont seem to understand manufacturing, materials, marketing and quality control.
The bow in question fills a price point and economic minded beginner archery enthusiast needs.
The manufacturing methods are current in the lower cost equipment for beginners and safe in lower (30 lb max?) Depending on metal/process (cast/injection molded) used.
The secondary mfg. Proces of machining is susceptible to negative quality control pass thru's with low tech labor processing.
The riser is not a stolen/knock off, replica, fake design. It is a similar/close design to a discontinued/obsolete/out of production Hoyt riser. It is nowhere close to the hoyt riser in cost, quality, or performance (if you can even tell) of the hoyt product.
It is an entry level product that performs well, maybe better then similar price point niche level products.
I think Steve demonstrates that a careful examination by the archer with basic mechanical aptitude, and a well informed tutorial by the highly competitive archer, salesperson, and mentor is really the maketing you can put a value on in your bow selection at your local shop.
Good job Steve.
To add to your list Border will make formula limbs to special order, and uukha used to make a formula adapter for their older limbs.
Edit: fixed my statement about uukha
The latest limbs from Uukha aren’t compatible with the formula adapters
@@airman_85uk good to know, thanks!
Haha, maybe Jake's was bad because had been run over. Sorry for the French but Steve have you ever heard the term funny bast*** ffs? I have never laughed so hard in my life. Could you do more content like this, please? That combined with your serious ones would be awesome. Keep up the great work😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I
Was waiting with trepidation
All I will say is YES!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Steven, shoot that bow at your next Nationals competition 🤣🤣🤣
Jake's riser as shipped to him was dangerous. That was his whole point. He just uploaded a TH-cam Short video of it strung in his draw machine and guess what, it blew up at around 18" draw. TBow won't be stocked in American dealers because it's using "stolen" American IP, Hoyt has much better recourse to go after suppliers and stockists in their own country rather than web stores out of China. LEGO spent years going after a knock off company through the Chinese courts.
Hoyt no longer make this one and shops in the US are selling it. I think they are getting tougher on copies. Court in any country can be like the casino.
Jakes video is rigged. He purposely broke it off camera just to prove his point, what a sore loser.
That was not his point. He bitched and moaned about about copying designs and knock offs.
Basically you’re taking a chance buying these that the bow will shoddy threads or bolts. That’s why to buy from dealer- they can check that for you and validate that all is fine. Otherwise, if you buy direct from China and get a bad one you’ll have to pack it and pay for return shipping. I would have no issue buying this bow if it was from dealer.
This is the reason you go to an archery shop to buy archery gear, especially if you are a novice because you need the expertise you will find there so you don't hurt yourself. Even just little things like learning to not slap your arm with the string. Problem is some people don't want to spend the "extra money" to buy it in a shop and get some instruction. Most non-archers don't even know that dry firing your bow is not a good idea.
PLZ HELP ME, Samick Polaris or this H8 ??
Tbow H8 25" Target Recurve, what has been done about the limb bolt holes being oval shape on the riser.? jakes video on youtube shows this.?
The bolts were the wrong size. If he contacted the manufacturer they would have fixed the problem.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale doesn't answer my question on the oval holes for the limb bolts. ?
I can’t address the oval threaded hole; but, some workers (in America and around the world) will let products pass even if there was a manufacturing defect.
Real case: my dumb f-k co-workers ran 4 pallets of products, 64 boxes per pallets. We can NOT release it due to the bad seal (plastic wrap, form and heat seal). The four pallets is in the freezer for +8m now, waiting to be unwrap and wrap and seal.
Backstory: I told them to stop production and get that fix. I’m not in charge.
Your question: every factory will hire dumb f-k and that include the notorious American “Monday morning car” when workers are on a hang over or “Friday afternoon car” when people are fixated on watching the weekend games.
LOL! Buy some oval limb bolts. Problem solved! Just kidding. Jake had the best solution. Throw the POS in the garbage.
Jakes video is falsified, he's just super negative because he's sponsored by Hoyt. Typical American shit just because he's a hot shot Olympic medalist. Trash video and set up to destroy the bow.
The reality is that Hoyt will not loose a single sale due to the knockoff junxing products. The customer who walks into an archery shop with $1200AUD+ for a new hoyt riser will not turn around and buy this instead. Its like a BMW driver buying a no name chinese brand, not going to happen... This riser and the other junxing products compete against the low end WNS, kinetic, sanlida and offer choice to people getting into the sport. The riser Jake K received was certainly faulty and not safe to shoot. However, in all manufacturing processes there are some items that QA/QC misses. This is the exact reason shops like Archery Supplies should stock them so that when people come into the shop, a knowledgeable technician sets it up and can check the bow is safe before it goes to the customers hands. Should Junxings QA/QC department improve? Yes they should. But just because one item out if a batch has a defect is not a a reason to cancel that product entirely.
Logical reasoning. Something many cannot seemingly comprehend.
How do you know it's one item and not a whole lot of them? If it's happened to Jake then I bet other people have had it too and they might not be experienced enough to know it's a problem. Anyway the real reason not to buy this is because they rip off other peoples designs and nobody should be supporting that.
@@elobiretv
That's why you go back to wherever you bought it from if there's an issue. Another reason why buying from a shop is almost always a good idea. If you're experienced and knowledgeable enough to setup your own gear, you wouldn't even look in the general direction of these risers.
Also, people shouldn't be setting up equipment by themselves in the first place. If they are that inexperienced that they wouldn't be able to identify this, then they are certainly not experienced enough to handle equipment setup.
@benjaminwatters2036 said it himself correctly, people SHOULD come into the shop so a knowledgeable technician gets to check it before the customer even gets a chance to hold the damn thing. If they don't and something bad happens, it can either be due to human error or equipment failure or both - a risk everyone takes if they decide to DIY.
@@elobiretv Oh hum, I already have 18 bows purchased as club bows, so a little late for me to worry. I'll add that I had no idea if any of the bows had been copied at the time of purchase. But I do now.
@@chrisgaskell3706 This company copies a few bow designs, they also copied Border's Tempest riser design and I've heard stories of those breaking because they don't understand the engineering behind it. I do hope they work good for you though, it's certainly much cooler looking than what most clubs have for club bows
It’s a price point thing. People don’t or can’t spend a thousand dollars plus just to see if they like the sport. Awesome review. We need companies like Junxing, Topoint to keep pushing out cheaper alternatives to the American products. Hopefully one day this May put pressure on manufacturers like Hoyt to bring down their prices.
Living in America I'm sad to say if Hoyt, or whoever, is going to make an entry level bow the manufacturing will probably be out sourced to China, India etc. In fact I would not be surprised if the American name brands don't rely on out source components from China etc. Yes, its a global market.
@@maxschell8823 I thought Gordon glass limbs manufacturing moved to China
Yes and no. We need cheaper alternatives. We don’t need illegal counterfeits like this. You can try the sport with an entry level bow from a brand that’s not intentionally infringing on someone else’s intellectual property.
Apex have a very small stock in store. Gets frustrating when you you go in to buy single string gear..
I bought a bow on a whim - only £200, so can't really go wrong... Apart from the "Formula" bit.
It looks like a Hoyt Formula X from maybe 8 or 10 years ago, although the Hoyt is anodised. Ebay has one on sale: Eliza Archery on Oz. And it wouldn't be the first time Hoyt has been to China - weren't the Horizon (and Excell?) outsourced?
Do you think the limbs have any carbon in them? Perhaps it's just part of the name. And the limbs I got weren't even varnished! A quick discount and aa spray of paint solved that.
Near the Wend you compare a £200 complete bow to risers! The WNS Acheive riser is £70, similar price. Vellator is £375, Unison £250?, WNS Motive £250.
It is how Samick Started. Hoyt and many USA companies source alot of product overseas. It's always a question what is made in the USA and what is made in China. Saying that often the top items are made in China.
Hahhahah this is gold..
I think the naming of things is symptomatic of primitive Anglo Saxon Stupldity! I said the same thing the other day to Genevieve, my wheelchair?😊😊😊😅😅😅😅😊😅😊😊
Steven han just slapped jack kaminsky with this somehow......
Archery is a very technical sport: it is all about precision and consistency. You need to have precise and consistent equipment, especially as a beginner, to make progress in archery. The equipment has to be precise so the limbs and riser align properly, stay aligned and to shoot straight. Your equipment has to be consistent, to shoot the same way everytime you shoot the same way. Otherwise you will end up a frustrated person who will quit archery soon because you cannot improve your shooting form, your consistency, with a riser/limbs that shoot differently every time you shoot them. You will never improve much because you simply do no have true feedback from your equipment and the equipment reflects its quality instead of reflecting your quality.
I would stay away from those limbs even if they were given to me for free: they are not consistent. Because the manufacturer did not even seal them properly, they will shot differently depending on the weather because the humidity and temperature will affect the wood in the limbs. The limbs will also be affected by the storage conditions and will shoot differently in time and ultimately be ruined if kept in a humid environment.
I would stay away from that riser for the same reason: beyond the safety reasons highlighted by Jake Kaminski, it is an imprecise riser so you won't have aligned limbs and even if you manage that temporarily, it will lose its alignment quickly after that.
As Kaminski highlighted, there are reputable manufacturers/vendors there that provide reliable gear (some which is actually cheaper that these Chinese clones). Don't think you are saving your money using these clones, you may end up wasting the money because you might quit archery shortly after you started because your gear does not give you true feedback. I myself have been on this path as a beginner: my cheap beginner limb aligned well but only had the tip slightly out of alignment which pushed my arrow randomly sideway which frustrated me to no end as I thought it was my form. I was lucky to meet someone knowledgeable who pointed out to me that, despite the limb being aligned with the riser, the tip of the limb was slightly out of alignment, something that I could not see with the naked eye.
To conclude, there are differences in gear more that just longevity: their precision and consistency are different. "Beautiful", "lovely", "amazing" are not technical qualities, they are just part of the salesman's arsenal to cover the absence of the technical stuff.
The question was about safety, do not denigrate someone because he is raising issues that a beginer6 archer would not even think about
Competition and innovation from China is a good thing for the consumer. Straight up stealing other peoples designs and profiting from it is illegal in 99% of the world for a reason. Can't afford a Hoyt? Buy a Core, Cartel, WNS, Kinetic etc. There are plenty of bows in the price bracket from companies who designed them themselves, and will stand behind the product. There is a reason you can't buy these from reputable retailers. Hoyt spent a shit ton of money on design and R&D on these bows, as well, they are made in the USA by someone earning a livable wage. The aren't charging $600 more because they are gouging, they have to recoup those costs. Is there a bit of a brand tax on them, sure. Does that make it right to rip them off. Hell no. I'm not going to vilify anyone who buys these, but I would question the morals of any archery shop that would carry these counterfeits. Business owners should recognize that stealing and profiting from someone else's work is wrong.
Do not denigrate someone for doing the same process you use. Is it safe would you use it, the beginer6 archer would not think of these issues. You are only trying to reduce the amount of calls to you about these issues. You did say you had replacement bolts supplied, major quality fault, not just one issue but multiple. Does you no good to try to trash a fellow archer raising concer6
I think there's a bit of confusion on all sides. I'm thinking that the bow Jake Kaminski purchased was a counterfeit riser. People make and sell all kinds of phony things. Usually you find them on some Chinese sight's. Not all of course but the old saying, If it sounds to good to be true, it is. I don't think Jake knew or did a poor job researching this. Now Steve has to explain to customers. You should see some of the counterfeit knives they sell. Just my opinion
This riser is a counterfeit. It’s a rip-off of the Hoyt X/Xi. No confusion whatsoever.
For a decent review, you have to disclose your financial interests first. As such, this is not a review, this is a sales pitch. When you are sold recurve limbs that are clearly labeled as "carbon limbs" while they are actually wood limbs, you already know everything you need to now about manufacturer/seller.
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I thought this was about archery not gymnastics; the amount of work being put into defending a cheaper knockoff - which clearly is reliant on stealing another company’s IP - I’m amazed.
Your attitude in responding to this micro-drama is clearly rooted in your sweating over losing sales for a knockoff brand. You know it’s a knockoff, and you admit as much in your first video.
Mocking Kaminski (when he provided thorough evidence that the manufacturing tolerances were garbage) is just poor form.
Come on man, you literally saw the bow he got blow up. Then you take the piss and make fun of him for stringing up the bow with a motorcycle helmet on.
Considering the bow exploded, I’d say he took the right precautions. Playing smug isn’t a good look on you.
I had to stop watching the video because the sound quality is so bad. I hope you manage to get it fixed so I can continue to watch your videos in the future.
Better to buy a low end bow from a reputable manufacturer. This is ethically wrong, appalingly made and won't serve your archery. You can't defend the indefensable.
It's just a bow, chill the f out. Who gives a shit about originality.
Ethically wrong?.. can't defend indefensible?..reputable manufacturer?... WHAT A BOLLUX. you have not a clue who's really manufacturing stuff for well known brands 😅
@@vicheksink5100 Hoyt makes thier risers in the USA.
Here in Germany on national level athletes are shooting branded high end gear. Probably the most use Hoyt follow by Win&Win, MK and Fivics. I’m shooting the Hoty Xceed. A friend got one of the nock offs and comparing both I can say that the China version is by far less quality. You showed the picture of the broken limb so it’s easy to see that the limbs in this video are also cloned in design.
The lower price is because of lower quality compared to the original. What I question the most is, that it is a one on one fake product. Imagine someone would use your shop logo and probably an almost identical name to sell archery gear. Probably also inking your videos to his own shop. That’s why I personally have moral issues with those Chinese products.
I know you are a businessman, and businessman like making money, and i know you are also honest, but please don't sell these safety hazard brands to your customers. There are other reputable brands that offer more quality and safe products as you are well aware
Steven has in the past stated that he has had very few problems with the quality of these bows in relation to safety and breaking down. I'm certain that as a businessman he would stop stocking bows that prove to be a problem, as he has done in the past.
i use tbow riser aswell. jake dont know how to tighten limb bolt. he not showing he is tightening that bolt before his experiment. 😂.
i have no problem riser break or even limb bolt broken. 😅😅 . it clearly state at manual maximum 5 turn only to adjust tiller for safety.
come on jake, helmet pls..
thanks to garbage cheap manufacturer now more people can do archery very competative.
Your cheeky little video in response to safety concerns gets you a thumbs down and unsubscribe, way to go Steven 👌
Bye 🤡😂
@@R9YRayBye-bye 💩 🤑
It's not an airport mate, no need to announce ya departure...
@@Toiletstainz Bro if my post offended you remember this: I could not care less.
@@barrybkopicz2845 I thought you unsubbed begone bbyboy, 🤡still lurking in the comments lmao.
Everybody reading coments and watching this video, do not buy this bow. Few hours ago Kaminski published and demontrated why this bow is cheep copy of Hoyt and dangerous to use. This gentelman knows a lot but hi is not Jake Kaminski, two times Olympic medalist in sport of archery. He is a salesman.
jake proved nothing really.
If you recieve a damaged product, you contact the seller/manufacturer for either a replacement or a refund, wich didn't happed. it'd be interested to read the emails to see how that process would have gone. The damaged box is already a huge red flag to begin with for most people.
@@shredfreak83What does a damaged box have to do with poor machining tolerances that lead to dangerous bolt fittings? Jake proved that the product was made carelessly and sold without regard to the customer’s safety. Beginner archers buying such a riser would not know what a tiller bolt even is, let alone how to check the insert thread’s tolerances. Terrible exhibition of ethics or rather a lack thereof by this man producing this video, both on the business and safety aspects of this dangerous counterfeit product.
I cannot condone trashing the company for this single quality control escape, Steve shows us his bow riser is functional and not "dangerous" but represents very good value if you have the ability to review/evaluate/assess a corrective action or pathway to contacting/returning a product to a manufacturer.
Bows are mechanical, you may not be a mechanic but you should rely on a mentor or informed/qualified sale/repair person at your local shop or club for advice.
Jake was a bit harsh on the bow/riser mfg. He should have walked us thru the notification, customer return, reevaluation process.