I put both LCS classes ahead of the Zumwalts. Once they’ve gotten their gold plated guns removed they’ll be packing hypersonic missiles. And tech developed for them will go into the next gen DDG. The LCS classes on the other hand are useless.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! When you add a ship to the decommissioning list before it's commissioned, as the US Navy did with one of the LCS, then how can we disagree? We're not as optimistic as you about the Zumwalt-class. Their seakeeping is questionable. DDG-1002 is derisively referred to as "Building 1002," as if it's a permanent fixture of its base. While the hypersonic missiles sounds promising and may yet salvage the effort, we've had problems with that technology as well. Perhaps the good news is that the Arleigh Burkes didn't enter the fleet without problems, and we suspect a lot of officials from the late 1980s and early 1990s are pleasantly surprised to see the class remain viable into the 2030s.
see the Canadian navy, lots of great things but lots of not so great things. AOPS with a single 25mm gun, 90s era mine warfare vessels (more of do-everything but mines) made of carbon steel, fitted with Bonaventure's 40mm guns. the original sea-sparrow launchers on Iroquois destroyers were *mental* , they would fold out and articulate out to the sides just forward of the bridge.
If you want something really cursed, imagine the Edinburgh subclass Town Class light cruiser, HMS Edinburgh at 12,000-15,000 tons and HMS Belfast at 13,000-16,725 tons, both with 15 152mm guns in a 3 triple forward in a 2 same level and turret 3 super-firing and 2 aft turrets super-firing.
The Tiger Class helicopter cruiser conversion were more trying to get something out of a stop gap until the British got their missile cruisers which they never did because of the British government not wanting to pay for defence as those cowards never wanted to do Plus it was politically difficult to order the 3 Tiger Class Light Cruiser scrapped due to the 3 ships being 3 years old
Ha! Good one! We published a video on 1964's Operation Sea Orbit and included a photo of Long Beach in a horrendous roll in bad weather. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Things would have been much easier if the RN with hindsight had done this 5 Southampton subclass Town Class light cruisers at 10,550-13,175 tons - 12 152mm guns 3 Gloucester subclass Town Class light cruisers at 10,850-13,475 tons - 12 152mm guns 2 Edinburgh subclass Town Class light cruisers at 12,000-15,000 tons with Belfast's post-mine strike Modernisation to 13,000-16,725 tons - 15 152mm guns Fiji subclass Crown-Colony Class Light Cruisers at 9,800-10,720 tons - 12 152mm guns Ceylon subclass Crown-Colony Class Light Cruisers at 10,162 to 11,294 tons - 9 152mm guns 2 Swiftsure Class Light Cruisers at 10,577 to 12,234 tons with Superb at 10,572-11,704 tons - 9 152mm guns The Tiger Class Light Cruisers would be 10,680-12,370 tons with 3 twin 6-inch guns and 4 twin 3-inch guns meaning you get a 10,705-12,750 tons cruiser with 4 152mm and 4 76mm guns with 2 4-rail GWS.22 SeaCat SAM launchers.
Good list and the Littorals should have been included too. With the added note a coastal ship for the US navy is USELESS because it lacks the range to go to an enemy (crossing an ocean) and lacks any sustained combat ability. The last one and all the Littorals should be handed over to the coast guard yesterday as it is the only place they will ever see any usefulness as they all were designed solely for coastal combat/patrol without the means to reach foreign coast. At least they could perform in that way as designed against the drug cartels and human trafficking.
@@gregorywright4918 I hope the USCG does have better stuff coming on line but I was mainly interested in saving the class as a total failure and government write off. They are still too expensive for the USCG to keep building but for those few already built a decade with the Coast Guard would at least put them to use. The only other option short of scraping is to sell them to someone else at a hard discount. (would be more useful to most countries as testbed ships to model a larger construction on without the huge blunders of the Navy.
The Zumwalt was built right down the road from me. When it took its first trial voyage we all celebrated that it didn't turn turtle and sink with all hands. Seriously....
The M-class submarine were the result of the RN looking at a monitor submarine due to torpedoes being too short range and it was felt a naval gun shell hitting a ship's rear would cripple or kill an enemy ship In the defence of the M-class submarine, fundamentally there was nothing wrong with them, HMS M1 sank due to a collision with a Swedish merchant ship and HMS M2 was sunk due to human error in the crew opened the hangar door too early and HMS M3 was turned into a large minelaying submarine but was only used as a testbed for the Grampus class submarine.
Yes, we get it. Periods of "transformation" often result in such efforts as the M- and Zumwalt-class ships. LCS is another. On the US Navy side, starting in the post-Cold War period, they haven't been able to get the requirements right. No one can agree exactly on what they need, in part because people couldn't agree about a potential threat, so perhaps it isn't too shocking that designs fall short. There's more to it than that, such as the Office of the Secretary of Defense's involvement in Navy business, but it's mainly the Navy's problem to solve. The last successful surface combatant project began during the Reagan Administration and produced the Arleigh Burke-class DDGs. That process goes back almost 40 years. Thanks for watching and taking the time comment!
Until the Flight 3 Burke came along, I would argue the Type 45 Daring class destroyers were superior to the Flight 1 and 2 Burkes but that does not mean the Burke class is not an old design at the end of its development life
3:56 not to mention she has catapults on the fantail
I put both LCS classes ahead of the Zumwalts. Once they’ve gotten their gold plated guns removed they’ll be packing hypersonic missiles. And tech developed for them will go into the next gen DDG.
The LCS classes on the other hand are useless.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! When you add a ship to the decommissioning list before it's commissioned, as the US Navy did with one of the LCS, then how can we disagree? We're not as optimistic as you about the Zumwalt-class. Their seakeeping is questionable. DDG-1002 is derisively referred to as "Building 1002," as if it's a permanent fixture of its base. While the hypersonic missiles sounds promising and may yet salvage the effort, we've had problems with that technology as well. Perhaps the good news is that the Arleigh Burkes didn't enter the fleet without problems, and we suspect a lot of officials from the late 1980s and early 1990s are pleasantly surprised to see the class remain viable into the 2030s.
see the Canadian navy, lots of great things but lots of not so great things.
AOPS with a single 25mm gun, 90s era mine warfare vessels (more of do-everything but mines) made of carbon steel, fitted with Bonaventure's 40mm guns. the original sea-sparrow launchers on Iroquois destroyers were *mental* , they would fold out and articulate out to the sides just forward of the bridge.
Giuseppe Garibaldi an Italian Duca degli Abruzzi-class light cruiser with ballistic missiles after refit 1957
If you want something really cursed, imagine the Edinburgh subclass Town Class light cruiser, HMS Edinburgh at 12,000-15,000 tons and HMS Belfast at 13,000-16,725 tons, both with 15 152mm guns in a 3 triple forward in a 2 same level and turret 3 super-firing and 2 aft turrets super-firing.
The Tiger Class helicopter cruiser conversion were more trying to get something out of a stop gap until the British got their missile cruisers which they never did because of the British government not wanting to pay for defence as those cowards never wanted to do
Plus it was politically difficult to order the 3 Tiger Class Light Cruiser scrapped due to the 3 ships being 3 years old
Okay; why the re-upload?
... glitch fix
Look for USS Betelgeuse (AK-260)
While in mothballs
Ha! Good one. Maybe we'll save it for a video on "cursed ship names." Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
@@BearingStraight it's not just the name, you should really see what this ship looks like in mothballs
The Zumwalt in my opinion does look cursed. But what about Long Beach CGN-9 or first deployment USS Entreprise CVN-65.
Ha! Good one! We published a video on 1964's Operation Sea Orbit and included a photo of Long Beach in a horrendous roll in bad weather. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
@@BearingStraight yeah that is just the USN following the Hood mantra from the Empire Cruise of 1923-1924
Operation Sea Orbit is basically the US Navy following the Hood mantra from the Empire Cruise of 1923-1924
@@BearingStraight Uranium and lead make good ballast...
Things would have been much easier if the RN with hindsight had done this
5 Southampton subclass Town Class light cruisers at 10,550-13,175 tons - 12 152mm guns
3 Gloucester subclass Town Class light cruisers at 10,850-13,475 tons - 12 152mm guns
2 Edinburgh subclass Town Class light cruisers at 12,000-15,000 tons with Belfast's post-mine strike Modernisation to 13,000-16,725 tons - 15 152mm guns
Fiji subclass Crown-Colony Class Light Cruisers at 9,800-10,720 tons - 12 152mm guns
Ceylon subclass Crown-Colony Class Light Cruisers at 10,162 to 11,294 tons - 9 152mm guns
2 Swiftsure Class Light Cruisers at 10,577 to 12,234 tons with Superb at 10,572-11,704 tons - 9 152mm guns
The Tiger Class Light Cruisers would be 10,680-12,370 tons with 3 twin 6-inch guns and 4 twin 3-inch guns meaning you get a 10,705-12,750 tons cruiser with 4 152mm and 4 76mm guns with 2 4-rail GWS.22 SeaCat SAM launchers.
Good list and the Littorals should have been included too. With the added note a coastal ship for the US navy is USELESS because it lacks the range to go to an enemy (crossing an ocean) and lacks any sustained combat ability. The last one and all the Littorals should be handed over to the coast guard yesterday as it is the only place they will ever see any usefulness as they all were designed solely for coastal combat/patrol without the means to reach foreign coast. At least they could perform in that way as designed against the drug cartels and human trafficking.
What are the LCS should have been Frigates
The USCG is smart enough that they would never accept the LCS. Besides, they've got their own new class of MECs coming in.
@@gregorywright4918 I hope the USCG does have better stuff coming on line but I was mainly interested in saving the class as a total failure and government write off. They are still too expensive for the USCG to keep building but for those few already built a decade with the Coast Guard would at least put them to use. The only other option short of scraping is to sell them to someone else at a hard discount. (would be more useful to most countries as testbed ships to model a larger construction on without the huge blunders of the Navy.
The Zumwalt was built right down the road from me. When it took its first trial voyage we all celebrated that it didn't turn turtle and sink with all hands. Seriously....
Ha! A win! …
That was a nice day
The M-class submarine were the result of the RN looking at a monitor submarine due to torpedoes being too short range and it was felt a naval gun shell hitting a ship's rear would cripple or kill an enemy ship
In the defence of the M-class submarine, fundamentally there was nothing wrong with them, HMS M1 sank due to a collision with a Swedish merchant ship and HMS M2 was sunk due to human error in the crew opened the hangar door too early and HMS M3 was turned into a large minelaying submarine but was only used as a testbed for the Grampus class submarine.
Yes, we get it. Periods of "transformation" often result in such efforts as the M- and Zumwalt-class ships. LCS is another. On the US Navy side, starting in the post-Cold War period, they haven't been able to get the requirements right. No one can agree exactly on what they need, in part because people couldn't agree about a potential threat, so perhaps it isn't too shocking that designs fall short. There's more to it than that, such as the Office of the Secretary of Defense's involvement in Navy business, but it's mainly the Navy's problem to solve. The last successful surface combatant project began during the Reagan Administration and produced the Arleigh Burke-class DDGs. That process goes back almost 40 years. Thanks for watching and taking the time comment!
Until the Flight 3 Burke came along, I would argue the Type 45 Daring class destroyers were superior to the Flight 1 and 2 Burkes but that does not mean the Burke class is not an old design at the end of its development life