Both man and woman have to play their part. People hate lazy men but how much more a lazy woman. No one should expect to come home and do nothing, especially when there are children...you must get up by force
When I was a kid in the 1950s, my grandparents rule in the house was: "Nobody sits down until all the work was done." It was a moral crime in their eyes for one person to be working while the other person was lounging. (I suspect that attitude came from working for white people under Jim Crow.) In those days, their work fell in traditional lines: Grandmother came from her job to cook and clean at home. My grandfather came from his job to hoe and weed the large backyard garden (which we'd eat from through the winter when vegetables were out of season), tend to the two hogs he raised every year (we'd eat that pork through the winter as well), and do house repairs (he was the man white people hired to do _their_ house repairs). My grandfather taught me, "When you own a home, there is work to do on it every day." By the time grandmother had dinner ready, it was time for both of them to sit down. Nobody sat down until all the work for the day was done. Me...I had to clean the kitchen after dinner. These days, people are living in apartments with little or no labor to maintain the house itself. They don't have to grow their own food. So, the traditional male daily chores are limited while the daily traditional female chores remain. I believe, however, that it should still be the household rule: "Nobody sits down until all the work is done." I do own our home, and I do quite a lot of maintenance on it, including entire renovations of various rooms (I do plumbing, electrical work, carpentry, tile floors, et cetera). But even that is not every. My military background actually makes me a more strict housekeeper than my wife, and I won't let anyone except me do my laundry, but she's a wizard when it comes to cooking...she points out Bobby Flay's mistakes.
When men come home from work, they MUST do all the cooking, cleaning and childcare. They must always make the shopping list by themselves and do all shopping for everything, including food, school supplies and clothes for children, etc. They need to take care of everything related to children and school. They need to do all planning for family get togethers, vacations, holidays. Women are only responsible for her job, everything else is the husband's responsibility on top of his job. They must never complain about any of it or in any way be a burden on their wives no matter how tired they are. If men don't take care of all that, they bring nothing to the table and must be discarded.
There was a thing where men are more likely to leave their wives if sick while women are much less likely to leave their husbands if they get sick. The men that didn't ascribe to gender roles left their wives less than those that did. I think that its because the women loses her usefulness to him. If the main thing keeping a man to his wife is her utility, he will discard her once she's "broken". Look at women who build their men up through their struggles for them to be dropped for a younger/more attractive woman. Often even after raising his kids and doing everything in the home, working for free in the businesses, etc. Not to say every traditional role relationship is like that, but its very hard to find a man who 1. Is truly genuine that you can put your life in his hands and 2. Able to make enough money and has enough safety nets for staying at home to make sense. A lot of women who had been pushing traditional relationships came out after the fact saying the same thing other women were trying to warn them about.
The idea that women never worked didn't really exist for the vast majority ot people. The ideal people look at was mainly for rich people as a luxury. Things considered women's labor is largely unaccounted for because its just expected of them. It's also bias assumed that what women do is automatically easy. Most feminists or anyone who believes in equality are fine with women being at home or the man or however people want it because it's about being equal. Then you find out they expect you to work, and look good for them, and also whatever you did wasn't as valuable as whatever he did even if yall both work or do the same exact thing. It's the womens place and shes supposed to be happy to work more than he does to be considered less than him. Most of these proposed modern feminist podcasts are in bad faith, cut and mix auido after interviewing a ton of people to get the most aggravating content, and are provoking to get content to fuel hatred for profit. He implied she was stupid because she was yelling (to be heard over him trying to shut her down) which deflected having to reason. Why debate when you can tell someone they're angry and unintelligent (sound familiar?). They bring women on the show to put them down and look down on them, when its frustrating to the women actually there expecting a conversation. They say women are trying to be like men by getting jobs and working, but then turn around and complain women are golddiggers and using men for money. Then women are wrong/shallow if they dont want to be with someone who is not financially well off. A single income household cannot work if one part is poor and the other is expected to not work. They say what they expect from women and its a long list, but many say its in the mans nature to cheat and run around. They say modern women are bad because they ignore their nature, but also will turn around and say women should be happy to be cheated on because its in their nature. They want property to live up to their ideals without providing it.
Both man and woman have to play their part. People hate lazy men but how much more a lazy woman. No one should expect to come home and do nothing, especially when there are children...you must get up by force
I agree. We both must play a part especially where the woman is working aswell as the man.
My man cuts the grass etc and we both worked
When I was a kid in the 1950s, my grandparents rule in the house was: "Nobody sits down until all the work was done." It was a moral crime in their eyes for one person to be working while the other person was lounging. (I suspect that attitude came from working for white people under Jim Crow.) In those days, their work fell in traditional lines: Grandmother came from her job to cook and clean at home. My grandfather came from his job to hoe and weed the large backyard garden (which we'd eat from through the winter when vegetables were out of season), tend to the two hogs he raised every year (we'd eat that pork through the winter as well), and do house repairs (he was the man white people hired to do _their_ house repairs). My grandfather taught me, "When you own a home, there is work to do on it every day." By the time grandmother had dinner ready, it was time for both of them to sit down. Nobody sat down until all the work for the day was done. Me...I had to clean the kitchen after dinner.
These days, people are living in apartments with little or no labor to maintain the house itself. They don't have to grow their own food. So, the traditional male daily chores are limited while the daily traditional female chores remain. I believe, however, that it should still be the household rule: "Nobody sits down until all the work is done."
I do own our home, and I do quite a lot of maintenance on it, including entire renovations of various rooms (I do plumbing, electrical work, carpentry, tile floors, et cetera). But even that is not every. My military background actually makes me a more strict housekeeper than my wife, and I won't let anyone except me do my laundry, but she's a wizard when it comes to cooking...she points out Bobby Flay's mistakes.
When men come home from work, they MUST do all the cooking, cleaning and childcare. They must always make the shopping list by themselves and do all shopping for everything, including food, school supplies and clothes for children, etc. They need to take care of everything related to children and school. They need to do all planning for family get togethers, vacations, holidays. Women are only responsible for her job, everything else is the husband's responsibility on top of his job. They must never complain about any of it or in any way be a burden on their wives no matter how tired they are. If men don't take care of all that, they bring nothing to the table and must be discarded.
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4:52 4:54 this, is a every day thing
There was a thing where men are more likely to leave their wives if sick while women are much less likely to leave their husbands if they get sick. The men that didn't ascribe to gender roles left their wives less than those that did.
I think that its because the women loses her usefulness to him. If the main thing keeping a man to his wife is her utility, he will discard her once she's "broken". Look at women who build their men up through their struggles for them to be dropped for a younger/more attractive woman. Often even after raising his kids and doing everything in the home, working for free in the businesses, etc.
Not to say every traditional role relationship is like that, but its very hard to find a man who 1. Is truly genuine that you can put your life in his hands and 2. Able to make enough money and has enough safety nets for staying at home to make sense. A lot of women who had been pushing traditional relationships came out after the fact saying the same thing other women were trying to warn them about.
Yep...this is why Trump's winning the male vote. Back into the box for women. 👍
As evil as Trump is, they may want to rethink that.
The idea that women never worked didn't really exist for the vast majority ot people. The ideal people look at was mainly for rich people as a luxury. Things considered women's labor is largely unaccounted for because its just expected of them. It's also bias assumed that what women do is automatically easy.
Most feminists or anyone who believes in equality are fine with women being at home or the man or however people want it because it's about being equal. Then you find out they expect you to work, and look good for them, and also whatever you did wasn't as valuable as whatever he did even if yall both work or do the same exact thing. It's the womens place and shes supposed to be happy to work more than he does to be considered less than him.
Most of these proposed modern feminist podcasts are in bad faith, cut and mix auido after interviewing a ton of people to get the most aggravating content, and are provoking to get content to fuel hatred for profit. He implied she was stupid because she was yelling (to be heard over him trying to shut her down) which deflected having to reason. Why debate when you can tell someone they're angry and unintelligent (sound familiar?). They bring women on the show to put them down and look down on them, when its frustrating to the women actually there expecting a conversation.
They say women are trying to be like men by getting jobs and working, but then turn around and complain women are golddiggers and using men for money. Then women are wrong/shallow if they dont want to be with someone who is not financially well off. A single income household cannot work if one part is poor and the other is expected to not work. They say what they expect from women and its a long list, but many say its in the mans nature to cheat and run around. They say modern women are bad because they ignore their nature, but also will turn around and say women should be happy to be cheated on because its in their nature.
They want property to live up to their ideals without providing it.