No. She was not right. When you are in a group you do go out of your ways to corporate when what they are asking is not outrageous. Asking for a mass bunk is absolutely not wrong. Why? Our teacher use to tell us you are not in a educational institute to study or learn text book only. You are here to study and learn human interaction also. She has failed that miserably. She is selfish, she is pessimist, she does not have a proper outlet to relieve her frustration. She is living wrong.
@@akivaraza946 cooperating with stupid people is not really the human interaction I like or think is the best. Literally I don't pay fees to learn "human interaction",if you want to interact ,do it with the teachers or something
@@akivaraza946 you sound so immature 🙄 I paid the fees to study not gonna bunk classes like that specifically if it took time 20 to 30 to reach there.
@@akivaraza946 okay but i am travelling 1 hr just to go back home? these stupid student doesn't care about there parents money and you are one of them dear
@@akivaraza946 There are so many holidays, social gatherings that colleges arrenge, mid times between classes to learn public interaction! Why do you need to do it when it's a class? And specially when a student comes from a really long distance fighting in public transports and middle class students do not want to miss that also because they have paid to reach there..
@@Miserablepiyushbut the problem is Shivani whose house like 1 hour or even 2 hours distance from the college if we see from her side she is correct she has to struggle alot and these mass bank parties mostly live near or in hostels or some times their parents just don't care
I agree with Shivani. I am happy that she is bold enough to go against them. Just because most of the people want to do something does not mean that everybody should do that thing.They are also not cooperating with her so.
ek din ki class se sundar pichai nhi banne wali . mahine mei ek se zyada thori na mass bunk karte honge . us din kamre mei padhlo ya kuch enjoy hi karlo
@@Rahat_98 vhi toh tum toh hadd se zyada bewakoof ho, I pity you. Clg jaane se akl nhi aati, tum live proof ho. Mein clg gyi hoon. Meri marzi cls mein padhu, room mein padhu, class hai toh karna hi chahiye, jo bunk mare unki marzi, padhe na padhe.
@@thewizard555 clg bunk karoge toab toh bilkul nhi banoge, basic knowledge bhi nhi rahegi Sundar pichai toh durr ki baat hai. Vhi toh bunk karna hai Karo dusro ko force mat karo. Tum toh cls kar ke bhi Sundar pichai nhi banoge.
@@Osaaamaaabhai sun tum jaise logo ke faltu time hota hai waste ke liye humlog ke paas nahi hai utna bohot stress hota hai off campus bachcho ke upar. It's not selfish toh koi jata kyu hai college chhod dete upar se itni hefty fees bunk maarne ke liye nahi bharte.
@@jayita4306True..... hmlog ke parents kitna loan wgera le kr college bhejte ha aur hmlog bunk krke paisa waste ni Krna chahate....itna paisa ni hai hmlog ke paas ki udhaye
Even though Shivani is correct. The fact that she (people like her) takes her life tasks so seriously, is because, she doesn't have a strong friends group. People generally avoid being friends with people like "Shivani" and then talk shit about her, behind her back, just like in this reel. Agar, Shivani ka bhi strong girl gang hota to Shivani bhi itni serious nahi rehti hamesha life ko lekar, aur kabhi kabhi chill bhi kar leti. She is on survival mode all the freaking time, because of her "classmates".
Ok, you got real life shivani.... Its not like that this shivani not tried to make friends , but the most of them she finds bitch about her behind back...they ask out only in need of exams , tests, notes and talks nicely in need but at own self decide that shivani study a lot so she is highly sincere, not fun loving so why need of asking her out in fun.....and even if they ask, the wait for shivani's denial on their face sucks, coz they know from the beginning she has less powerful era around her and a messy creature, so absolutely she will gonna ruin their fun, even shivani agrees that and absolutely she can't change because the changes need change of environment too....again i am gonna say, shivani tried her best....but last find peace on being own self,, alone,messy, whtever she is.....
Aisa nahi hota 😂 Humare jaise log ke friends hote hai par jab padhai ki baat aati hai toh ya help kar sakte hai par mistakes nahi, Mei toh science and commerce sab se lad jaati thi just because unke vajah se teachers class mei nahi padha pate the, phir bhale hi mere friends bhi mere against kyu na ho. Mere school over ho gaya hai aur ab sib ek hi dost hai jiske contact mei hu, baaki sab apne kaam mei lag gaye. I have no issues Maturity is when we realise, ki dosti limited logo se hi unlimited hoti hai. Sabke liye kurbaani mat karo
@@PearlsByPyari that is soo true mam, I was the topper and everyone was in my contact because of my notes and intelligence, as soon as their work is over we mean nothing to them, And I firmly believe staying alone is better than having toxic friends, 😂🎉 Thanks for your comment ☺️❤
@@nandinirajput2365the exact same reason is written above maybe you were just too serious about life and not fun to be around.Maybe you never sacrificed studies or school for fun activities.That is why people only saw you as a tool, well I am only assuming here.
Me too. I was earlier giving my notes to my friends during exam time but after knowing them properly even if they as if I m making any notes I just tell them I m reading directly from book and pdf @@nandinirajput2365
Actually sometimes its fun. I used take off from those classes which was not that much important. We used to study in library. My college and university both were far away. It took 2 hours. So I can feel her. Its okay to take off from classes but don't force anybody to do that. Everyone has their own life, own struggle.
I'm not a topper nor a very bright student but at this point I agree with Shivani. It seriously feels so bad when you travel 1-2 hours for just attending a class and students bunk it or the class get suspended. 😞
I am not in favour to bunk but there are some reasons that I bunked my college classes of some teacher not to enjoy but to self study because I didn’t understand what they teach 😂basically they translated English textbook into Hindi so concept wasn’t clear
Akshay kumar ne bhi gehna ko class attend krne se roka tha khatta metha main and uska natija kya hua. Gehna pwd department ki head ban gyi and akshay ek chota sa contractor.😂😂😂
I used to travel 20km (Metropolitan City) which required 90 minutes from city bus. I also had to walk 3km one way because college was far from city bus service. I literally hated such mass bunk. I was average in study but still if my 3 hours and 6km walk ia going to waste, I would obviously hate them.
@@muskangoyal6272not true the one who cares about time and is disciplined will always be succesful in life whether being a housewife or a working woman even though those girls are working but they wont have a peaceful life bcz they dont know the value of time
@@Abczya-s6z that's what i said the one who knows how to balance the things How to manage time and how to get discipline everything is about balancingg And yeah i do respect housewives and working women but the comment clearly states housewives and great carrer thing Your carrer is always in your hands do the needful for that even if you enjoy
Bhyii tum nhi smjhoge class hme bhi nhi leni hoti hai pr jo paise fook kr college aate hai vo waste ho to itna sehn nhi hota hai....mass bunk phele bta do to hm jaise aaye hi na
Maturity is when that U realise that Shivani is right 😢😢 These are a nightmare for toppers and good students Shivani is the person who understands the value of parents hardwork😢😢😢❤❤
Jo log keh rhe h shivani is wrong You have no right to say indian education system is wrong. Its your fault. Exam se pehle ratta tum marte ho college nhi marvata kyuki wo saal bhar sikha rha hota h.
It's not always about studies, it's about social cooperation. Even if you top your collage and get a high paying job, you wouldn't survive in that job if you don't co-operate. College is not only for studying. It's to prepare you for life(Mostly for corporate life).
Shivani is right aap kisi or ko apni maze ke liye force nahi kar sakte, usei class mai aane ke liye struggle karne padta hai mai bhi samjhti hoon mujhe bhi 1 se 2 hours lagte hai college jane ke liye or tab agar koi aisa class bunk karne ko bole to mai bhi yehi karti
Hmare sath b aesa hua tha .......sab absent the bas ek ladki ko msg nhi pahucha aur wo pahuch gyi ......😂😂😂jo agle din teacher ne hame zaleel kiya h na😢😢😢😢
You cannot ask someone who traveled one hour in a public transport for classes to bunk it because you wanted to go for shopping. Come-on, its bizzare!!
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I am facing exactly the same problem. I travel too much to go to college but these mass bunkers who are especially living just beside college just ruin the whole schedule of mine. They never understand that everyone is not meant to be like them
These bunk guys are a real nightmare for toppers and good students 💀
Dammn yesss 😂
Exactly
I was a average student. Still i hate bunk
And those good students and toppers are real nightmares for bunk guys 💀
Mai to topper hokar mass bunk karwati thi😂😂 class representative thi maja aata tha 😂😂😂
Maturity is when you realise shivani is right🗿
I face these types of students daily in my coaching
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@@Shivani.jha_ Are didi💀
Pagal hai kya thoda?
@@Divyanshihihihi24 Nhi sudhra hua hu...teri tareh bhatka hua nhi
Shivani is that one girl who saw struggles of her parents to educate her.
Maturity is when you realise that the second girl was right🫡
No. She was not right. When you are in a group you do go out of your ways to corporate when what they are asking is not outrageous. Asking for a mass bunk is absolutely not wrong. Why? Our teacher use to tell us you are not in a educational institute to study or learn text book only. You are here to study and learn human interaction also. She has failed that miserably. She is selfish, she is pessimist, she does not have a proper outlet to relieve her frustration. She is living wrong.
@@akivaraza946 cooperating with stupid people is not really the human interaction I like or think is the best. Literally I don't pay fees to learn "human interaction",if you want to interact ,do it with the teachers or something
@@akivaraza946 you sound so immature 🙄 I paid the fees to study not gonna bunk classes like that specifically if it took time 20 to 30 to reach there.
@@akivaraza946 okay but i am travelling 1 hr just to go back home? these stupid student doesn't care about there parents money and you are one of them dear
@@akivaraza946 There are so many holidays, social gatherings that colleges arrenge, mid times between classes to learn public interaction! Why do you need to do it when it's a class? And specially when a student comes from a really long distance fighting in public transports and middle class students do not want to miss that also because they have paid to reach there..
I encounter with such ppl in my class on daily basis, we need to realise that attending class is so important
But teacher is also with them!
"Mass bunk mar lo"💀
Ek humari class hai hum sab aa jate h college teacher ke kehne pr fir teacher hi nhi aati 😂😂
@@Miserablepiyushbut the problem is Shivani whose house like 1 hour or even 2 hours distance from the college if we see from her side she is correct she has to struggle alot and these mass bank parties mostly live near or in hostels or some times their parents just don't care
@@SnehaMondal-c7d Yes, your right!
Didi ap yaha😅@@Kkrh_Kriti
I agree with Shivani. I am happy that she is bold enough to go against them. Just because most of the people want to do something does not mean that everybody should do that thing.They are also not cooperating with her so.
Had h bewakoofi ki 😂 clg nhi gyi kya?
ek din ki class se sundar pichai nhi banne wali . mahine mei ek se zyada thori na mass bunk karte honge . us din kamre mei padhlo ya kuch enjoy hi karlo
@@Rahat_98 vhi toh tum toh hadd se zyada bewakoof ho, I pity you. Clg jaane se akl nhi aati, tum live proof ho. Mein clg gyi hoon. Meri marzi cls mein padhu, room mein padhu, class hai toh karna hi chahiye, jo bunk mare unki marzi, padhe na padhe.
@@thewizard555 clg bunk karoge toab toh bilkul nhi banoge, basic knowledge bhi nhi rahegi Sundar pichai toh durr ki baat hai. Vhi toh bunk karna hai Karo dusro ko force mat karo. Tum toh cls kar ke bhi Sundar pichai nhi banoge.
No everyone goes with this intention
Most of them go as they wannabe teachers pet ...
Maturity comes when u realise Shivani is right 😢
No she's not right. She's selfish.
@@Osaaamaaabhai sun tum jaise logo ke faltu time hota hai waste ke liye humlog ke paas nahi hai utna bohot stress hota hai off campus bachcho ke upar. It's not selfish toh koi jata kyu hai college chhod dete upar se itni hefty fees bunk maarne ke liye nahi bharte.
@@jayita4306True..... hmlog ke parents kitna loan wgera le kr college bhejte ha aur hmlog bunk krke paisa waste ni Krna chahate....itna paisa ni hai hmlog ke paas ki udhaye
Shivani needs some social skills too. Social skills actually help more in career ladders later in life. Cuz networking is beneficial .
Social skills need not come at the cost of academic growth. Do not justify wrong practices.@@amrutayagnaraman9445
I stand with shivani 😂
Bunkers only look cool in videos
😂😂 yeah then they cry for notes
Chaploos and proud😂
@@arpitkumar2981with good future cause baap ka Paisa nhi hai hmare pass
Jaaoo sarojini was epic 😂😂😂
Even though Shivani is correct. The fact that she (people like her) takes her life tasks so seriously, is because, she doesn't have a strong friends group. People generally avoid being friends with people like "Shivani" and then talk shit about her, behind her back, just like in this reel. Agar, Shivani ka bhi strong girl gang hota to Shivani bhi itni serious nahi rehti hamesha life ko lekar, aur kabhi kabhi chill bhi kar leti. She is on survival mode all the freaking time, because of her "classmates".
Ok, you got real life shivani....
Its not like that this shivani not tried to make friends , but the most of them she finds bitch about her behind back...they ask out only in need of exams , tests, notes and talks nicely in need but at own self decide that shivani study a lot so she is highly sincere, not fun loving so why need of asking her out in fun.....and even if they ask, the wait for shivani's denial on their face sucks, coz they know from the beginning she has less powerful era around her and a messy creature, so absolutely she will gonna ruin their fun, even shivani agrees that and absolutely she can't change because the changes need change of environment too....again i am gonna say, shivani tried her best....but last find peace on being own self,, alone,messy, whtever she is.....
Aisa nahi hota 😂
Humare jaise log ke friends hote hai par jab padhai ki baat aati hai toh ya help kar sakte hai par mistakes nahi,
Mei toh science and commerce sab se lad jaati thi just because unke vajah se teachers class mei nahi padha pate the, phir bhale hi mere friends bhi mere against kyu na ho.
Mere school over ho gaya hai aur ab sib ek hi dost hai jiske contact mei hu, baaki sab apne kaam mei lag gaye. I have no issues
Maturity is when we realise, ki dosti limited logo se hi unlimited hoti hai.
Sabke liye kurbaani mat karo
@@PearlsByPyari that is soo true mam, I was the topper and everyone was in my contact because of my notes and intelligence,
as soon as their work is over we mean nothing to them,
And I firmly believe staying alone is better than having toxic friends,
😂🎉 Thanks for your comment ☺️❤
@@nandinirajput2365the exact same reason is written above maybe you were just too serious about life and not fun to be around.Maybe you never sacrificed studies or school for fun activities.That is why people only saw you as a tool, well I am only assuming here.
Me too. I was earlier giving my notes to my friends during exam time but after knowing them properly even if they as if I m making any notes I just tell them I m reading directly from book and pdf @@nandinirajput2365
That Shivani will get off in the next station and take the next train to come back to come to class 😂😂😂😂😂
When you find shivani is in right place...
Am also that Shivani
I also want to study 😂😂😂😂😂
Me too bro....
Me too😂
Hehe
@@shivani10c10 ha ha ha 😂😂😂😂😂
@ShivaniDevi-pu6zk hehe
Maturity is when you realise that competition is to high to even miss your one lecture
Actually sometimes its fun. I used take off from those classes which was not that much important. We used to study in library. My college and university both were far away. It took 2 hours. So I can feel her. Its okay to take off from classes but don't force anybody to do that. Everyone has their own life, own struggle.
I'm not a topper nor a very bright student but at this point I agree with Shivani. It seriously feels so bad when you travel 1-2 hours for just attending a class and students bunk it or the class get suspended. 😞
Yaar Akhiyan aur Damal ki convo🔥🔥🔥 Bohot hi mast episode thi. Aap bohot accha likhti hai. 😊😊😊
"Kharido apne crocheted tops" made me lose it😭
I was like shivani 😂😂 but you can't blame me. shivani is the right one here
Shivani doing job 👍🏻👍🏻
Sonlayyy be like the real people I don't know how there people are in real life but seeing her I feel I have been with them 😂😂
Am that Shivani 😭😂
Behen koi faeda ni
K**** one? 😂 Just kidding 😅
Initial day's of clg i was also 😅😅
Chutiye log 😂😂😂
That's good 🫶🏻
if I go to college, nothing can stop me from getting that attendance
Shivani is me
.me is shivani 😂
I want this teacher in my class room 😅😅
Girls calling each other bro , imagine guys saying each other sister😂😂😂
Bro is a gender neutral term
@@celestialnymphx now this shows the deep rooted patriarchy in india
@@celestialnymphx bro gender neutral
Sis for girls
What for boys ?
Saloanyyyy acting like a real teacher 😂😂😂😂
😂
Shivani is actually right 👍🏼
Shivani is me. I used to travel by changing 3 vehicles to reach the university.
Shivanis are the sweetest lol! Be the Shivani
That kutti was personal🤣🤣🤣👻👻👻🫠❤ college days yaad aagye literally🤭
I am not in favour to bunk but there are some reasons that I bunked my college classes of some teacher not to enjoy but to self study because I didn’t understand what they teach 😂basically they translated English textbook into Hindi so concept wasn’t clear
Mere baal kinch diye was too epic 😅😅😅😅
Kuuttiiii yrr was epic😂
Salonayy- Sare roles karungi , barabar karungi , bas nanu ka role chhod dungi 😢😢😢
Bhaiyye koi aur role bhi chhoda hai
Thank you so much for this wonderful session ❤
Damn!! It's so real, I literally have a class full of these kind of annoying bunkers😅
Real people know pink one in kurti is the real 'kutti'
Aage Chalke aise hi bacche sarkar ko berozgaari ke liye blame krte h 😂
Sukhvinder 😂😂😂
Akshay kumar ne bhi gehna ko class attend krne se roka tha khatta metha main and uska natija kya hua. Gehna pwd department ki head ban gyi and akshay ek chota sa contractor.😂😂😂
This is so relatable 🫠😂
I used to travel 20km (Metropolitan City) which required 90 minutes from city bus. I also had to walk 3km one way because college was far from city bus service.
I literally hated such mass bunk. I was average in study but still if my 3 hours and 6km walk ia going to waste, I would obviously hate them.
If you want to bunk go ahead, but don't pressurize others if they don't want to join.
Shivani ki supply aayegi aur bunk wale pass ho jaayenge😂😂
That's totally me yrrr 😅😅
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Bunk karwane wali ladliyan: trophy housewives ...
Attend karne wali ladkiyan: great career and post college glowup....
Not always . I have seen students who use to bunk having great carrers and topper girls to be housewives too
Its just how you balance things
@@muskangoyal6272true. Balance is key
@@muskangoyal6272not true the one who cares about time and is disciplined will always be succesful in life whether being a housewife or a working woman even though those girls are working but they wont have a peaceful life bcz they dont know the value of time
@@Abczya-s6z that's what i said the one who knows how to balance the things
How to manage time and how to get discipline everything is about balancingg
And yeah i do respect housewives and working women but the comment clearly states housewives and great carrer thing
Your carrer is always in your hands do the needful for that even if you enjoy
@@Abczya-s6z and those who always work and never enjoy are successful but never happy.
That one' kutti yaaar'😂😂
That girl is herself the kutti!
Same like our sociology professor , ek bhi baccha aaya toh class Leni padegi aur bunk Krna hai toh poori class bunk kro😂
I was that student at my school 😂
Your video reminded me of my whole school life❤
Shivani is right bro itni dhoor ek do ghnte ke raste mai struggle krke jao fir class bhi attend na kr pao just because kisi or ko maze krne hai
Bhyii tum nhi smjhoge class hme bhi nhi leni hoti hai pr jo paise fook kr college aate hai vo waste ho to itna sehn nhi hota hai....mass bunk phele bta do to hm jaise aaye hi na
For reall
Baal khich diye 😂😂😂😂😂
Way to go shivani 🔥
Meri poori class hi aisi hai 😭
Mam khud bhi bole k jis n jana hai koi baat nhi chale jao tou sirf mai uthti hu
Proud of you shivani
Maturity is when that U realise that Shivani is right 😢😢
These are a nightmare for toppers and good students
Shivani is the person who understands the value of parents hardwork😢😢😢❤❤
Yaar literally I'm girl who does both jo boreing classes bunk bhi karwaye par imp classes bhi frds se jabardasti attend karwaye
She:mass bunk marle
I heard maze pappa aale😂
That, Baal kheechna was personal 😂😂
That girl is me 😂
This is the only reason why I don't have any friends because according to them I never supported them😅. Still I am happy with myself 😊
Amazing that this is still true. Even after 18 years....😂😂😂
Shivani hi esa karti h 😂😂😂
Mujhe vi college jane main bohoot time lagti hai 😢
Isliye koi vi class miss hoti hai to gussa ati hai 😅
Teachers in school=🤬
Teachers in collage=😎
Guys that Shivani is me the one who always attend lectures 😂😂😂😂
Jo log keh rhe h shivani is wrong
You have no right to say indian education system is wrong. Its your fault.
Exam se pehle ratta tum marte ho college nhi marvata kyuki wo saal bhar sikha rha hota h.
This is when I realised every Shivani is like this.😂😂😂
I m definitely with shivani👍🏻
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bhot hard bhot hard
Ek ghnta lgta h metro se college aane me.... relatable 😢
I feel so bad when the second girl type of ppl r the ones who r made fun of 😅😢
Basically he is introducing his wife😂
It's not always about studies, it's about social cooperation. Even if you top your collage and get a high paying job, you wouldn't survive in that job if you don't co-operate.
College is not only for studying. It's to prepare you for life(Mostly for corporate life).
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Shivani is right aap kisi or ko apni maze ke liye force nahi kar sakte, usei class mai aane ke liye struggle karne padta hai mai bhi samjhti hoon mujhe bhi 1 se 2 hours lagte hai college jane ke liye or tab agar koi aisa class bunk karne ko bole to mai bhi yehi karti
Shivani is 110% correct.
I am Shivani and the mass bunk girl at the same time😂😂
Hmare sath b aesa hua tha .......sab absent the bas ek ladki ko msg nhi pahucha aur wo pahuch gyi ......😂😂😂jo agle din teacher ne hame zaleel kiya h na😢😢😢😢
You cannot ask someone who traveled one hour in a public transport for classes to bunk it because you wanted to go for shopping. Come-on, its bizzare!!
Are yeh toh mein tha😂😂😂😂😂 100% relatable 😂😂
Great vlog 👍❤️
Maturity is When you realise Shivani is so honest and right .And I was the Shivani through out my Academics .And I am proud about it .🎉
Chroshet top was epic😂
Shivani is relatable😂
😂😂😂... Ye sach hai bilkul
Supper didu I was waiting for your video you are multi talented girl and I am very proud of you for being so kind and loving and I love you so much and I am big fan Infinite ♾️ heart for you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤..............
I appreciate mass bunk when its for the first or last class...ya to meri jaldi chutti ho ya mai der se aau kyuji baar baar 20 km merse nahi ho paega🙏
Bro the dressing is so accurate 😂
Well Shivani is right!
I'm that Shivani 😅😂
😅😅😅bro was personal
We had a boy just like Shivani in our class 😂 he would do anything to attend class
I was the topper but I was also the bunk guy😂😂😂😂
Same hmari class m bhi Shivani usko bhi daily class attend krni hoti h ....💯👍🏻😂😂
Uffff.... Relatableè❤
I'm shivani in my college ❤😂😅😅 I can relate 😅
Genuine prob hai... metro se ao... fees bharo aur bunkers ka pressure jhelo🙄
I am facing exactly the same problem. I travel too much to go to college but these mass bunkers who are especially living just beside college just ruin the whole schedule of mine. They never understand that everyone is not meant to be like them