*Mangy Fox v Thylacine* Thread to unclutter the comments section. This is a great summary of *Mangy Fox v Thylacine* Taken from a *sceptic Thylacine continued Existence Website* thylacoleo.proboards.com/thread/2080/foxes-mistaken-thylacines But I will post it here encase it gets closed down. Mar 9, 2011 at 4:17am *1. Thylacines do look a lot like very short haired/mangy foxes/other canids.* *2. Mangy animals do look very different and odd compared to healthy ones.* *2. Foxes do have the ”heel gait” in their repertoire of movements in some situations. You can easily pick out single ”frames” from the videos supplied, showing this.* *3. Mangy foxes do seem to have very rigid tails and skin, which could afflict their gait.* *4. Foxes do not have deep chests, as do some other canids and the T., but illnesses like mange may make the chest of F. seem more protruding. Angle of footage would also have an impact on this conception.* *5. F. do have very large ears especially mangy ones, contrary to T. But recognizing this depends on footage (angles and light comes to mind)* Why Are Foxes and Other Canines Often Mistaken for Thylacines? First of all I do want to stress, that this is not a comment on Youcantry´s thorough analysis of the Doyle footage. It´s merely a reflexion on the alleged Tylacine videos obviously showing foxes in general. Mangy Animals: Most people haven´t seen animals without their hair. If they do, they would hardly recognize them. Animals missing hair could be due to mange, animals having had surgery, or suffering from generic or hormonal deceases. The Foxes and Their Natural Coat: For foxes it is also true that they only have their ”typical” look: thick red coat and very brushy tail, the preferred model for Disney and others, for a period of the year (actually the shortest). Foxes living in towns hardly ever get this feature to the full extent. On several occasions people have asked me to dispatch of ”a very sick fox" they have seen, which ever so often is just a vixen with cubs during the summer. They can look really awful and mangy, even if not. They are just shedding. Mangy Foxes vs. Thylacines: The straight and rigid tail is taken as a definite diagnostic of the Thylacine, even though its tail actually has some flexibility to it (watch the old film clips). Mangy foxes don´t look much like foxes at all. Especially the skinny tail is noted by spectators, also the elongated snout, but note the afflicted animal will also often seem to have incredible large ears, if the loss of hair affects the head. By severe attacks of mange, the foxes become next to naked. Their skin become grayish, dry and crusted, and they will die in the end. The grayish color of the skin is due to hair still sitting in the follicles of the skin, when the visible part of the hair is scratched of. The dry and crusted skin has made me wondering, and what comes next are just my thoughts. I suggest that the presumably rigid tail, often seen in the videos of these foxes (allegedly Thylacines), is part of the pathological picture of mangy foxes. I imagine that when the skin becomes less flexible the tail stiffens because the tail consists of mainly skin and bones, very little muscle and no fat, except for the root. Perhaps even the connective tissue is changing during the pathogenesis, but that´s only speculation on my behalf, and we will have to consult somebody with greater veterinary insight than I. Also the stiffening of the skin could possible have an impact on gait and other features of the drabbed animals. Although most alleged Thylacines in the videos, have a perfectly normal fox gait. Some of the elements, I have mentioned, would also apply for other canids. I have only seen a couple of mangy foxes myself (dead) and many photos, the next time I come by a mangy fox, I will surely do a thorough examination of the features mentioned here. Conclusions 1.Thylacines do look a lot like very short haired/mangy foxes/other canids. 2.Mangy animals do look very different and odd compared to healthy ones. 2.Foxes do have the ”heelgait” in their repertoire of movements in some situations. You can easily pick out single ”frames” from the videos supplied, showing this. 3.Mangy foxes do seem to have very rigid tails and skin, which could afflict their gait. 4.Foxes do not have deep chests, as do some other canids and the T., but illnesses like mange may make the chest of F. seem more protruding. Angle of footage would also have an impact on this conception. 5.F. do have very large ears especially mangy ones, contrary to T. But recognizing this depends on footage (angles and light comes to mind) Examples of Heelgaiting in Foxes Below are some examples of ”heelgaiting” of foxes, and ”heelgaiting” will of course produce a sort of ”Longpad” print. The two videos of the foxes in the snow are showing a very typical technique used by foxes, when catching small rodents and such critters (in some countries called mousing). This technique is by now means restricted to snowy circumstances. Please also note the fox´s hind limps, when he jumps the wallaby and tries to hold it down/drag it. th-cam.com/video/dP15zlyra3c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YFabuod6LBbS3z6h th-cam.com/video/AEgsKdkbxEY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xmGrnURZGi5i9XeQ th-cam.com/video/MiTWwcfhrNI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kxA5T5C2Fv4Z9I6Z th-cam.com/video/D4M7pJJEVoY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Y01OrC7MDJ3qEXHH
I'm not sure why everyone is getting twisted off over mange. Thylacines were getting Mange in Tasmania off the wild dogs, so bad that some of their bounty pelts could not be sold. Thylacines (like wombats) get mange because they often use burrows as their lairs. There are a few great characteristics that this animal has. Short hocks probably the best way of differentiating a fox from a Thylacine at night. However, the footage shows some other key features - the rounded ears on the side of the face they start just behind the Thylacine's eye. Foxes have big pointy ears starting on the top of their head. Just google Thylacine head as see for yourself. The gait is peculiar, limp, injured foot or not. Can a Thylacine not have a injury too? Or just foxes? However, it doesn't seem to be having much trouble in putting it down. 1 step a second on a possible injured foot??? How about the big strong back legs? the long tail and the very marsupial but. Anyway, I digress, I don't think this animal has manage at all from the heat signatures it has a healthy looking body. Come on the Thylacine. Best footage ever. 👏👏👏👏👏
@@TigerWolfOz The thermal image makes the ears look smaller, that's why this video looks more convincing. Take a thermal video of a verified fox and I reckon it'll look just like this one....
@ncb6158 Are you just new to Ambiguous world? They have been showing their thermal stuff for few years now. A foxes ears look just like a foxes ears, top of their head and pointy. He is their latest video th-cam.com/video/f3vUDGBcdpM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ORZfopISrsl7owLo from just over a week ago. Foxes with pointy ears. They called everyone a fox too. Funny foxes on this channel get a 1,000 views nobody wants to see them But Ambiguous, still did. They said it was for reference and so it had become. now stop Gaslighting with your fox scat.
I do admit this is convincing. I’ve seen a quoll in the wild and I know they hop.. I thought this is what you have captured. So I just spent the last hour looking for footage for you to look at. While doing that I came to the conclusion it’s not a quoll. Comparing the 2 they are not even close as the same. Well done. Your hard work is paying off..!!
The tail is too thin and long to be a Fox. I'm a skeptic by nature. But this is hard to debunk. The stride is the same as the early B&W footage of the Thylacine in captivity. It's not absolute identification. But it's very convincing.
It does still exist because they keep popping up all over Australia. The government will potentially lose billions of dollars in easy money if it's rediscovered. Don't forget our wheat fields in Australia, the produce is sold internationally as grain. Remember the Ukraine war and people starving because of the Russian stance on grain? This sighting, along with thousands of others, are getting under the governments skin. They know that they are there because they are the ones covering it up. Billions of dollars or an extinct animal. That is what we are up against.
The way it moves its back legs reminds me of a kangaroo or a bandicoot. The hopping motion is smooth and graceful, which makes me think it’s not an injured animal. Additionally, its front legs appear too long to be a quoll.
Keep at it. Impressed with approach. U will get the definitive proof. I am all in on what u have seen. People like yourself and with access to tech will show up some who have categorically advised of some animals demise. Stay at it. This awesome.😊
Great Analysis!! It looks very convincing to me, and I’m a rather sceptical person. Hope this Footage turns out to be the reason we find living Thylacines! You definitely deserve my sub.
I am one of those who is certain I saw a thylacine crossing the road in darkening evening along Tarra Valley road, Gippsland. I am very interested in nature and a constant observer. I had been going up to Tarre Valley for years by then and have seen many foxes, rabbits and some cats,- no dogs - crossing the road at " crepuscular time". I was astounded and excited, identifying it as a thylacine as soon as I saw it. The identifying things were the same as a I see in this clearer video. 1. The unusual loping gait. Totally unlike a fox or cat 2. The peculiar shape of the hind before the tail. 3. The long thin tail. I didn't see any stripes in the brief encounter, and it was via the lights of the car. This encounter is very exciting. Numerous people have had sightings in lower Victoria. These bush areas are very dense and probably the reason they are rearly encountered., especially if they hunt at night. Finding recent bones or remains would be a cincher I reckon. Hope this video gets to relevent biologists/museums.
Glad you've seen one mate, They've such a unique animal. I've saw a black one in Gippsland early this year, so they don't always have stripes. It was pleasing to see this animal has I had reports of a big black male in the area 10years previous. This wasn't the same animal as it was German Shepard in size, but would have hopefully been the offspring of the big black male. 🤞
Probably government employees doing their after hours work. Even our scientific world is running and screaming, don't ask me, don't ask me. They are very reluctant to put their name down on record because of ridicule.
the problem in either case is there is no categorical proof - until and unless someone can get some dna to compare the museum samples its all just sepeculation
I think the fact is most people who love wildlife and specifically thylacines would want them to still be extant. However over the past few years there’s been a tone of very poor and completely outlandish claims and reports, proving to be undoubtedly fake (and many came from so called experts). People just want truth and if something (like this video) shows a more than likely fox then it’s fair for people to point out the features disproving a thylacine. I still think the only really trust worthy people when it comes to thylacines are the locals in PNG and west papua, certainly take anything from Tasmania and Australia with a grain of salt.
The thing is it’s way more likely to be a fox or a dog. I’ve seen foxes all over the place in suburban Sydney. Not common but they are there. I live in Rural NSW now and feral dogs are everywhere. If they see you they are usually heading the opposite direction. The funny thing is you can’t prove a negative. That’s is you can’t prove it isn’t one, so it’s easy to say what else could it be. 🤠
Please keep this up I’m also hoping that Thylacine still exist even if their population is small, just like in my country Indonesia when they declared Javan Tiger went extinct in 2003 but sightings happened, the most convincing one was the footage in 2024 in Yogyakarta in Gunungkidul where one was seen climbing up a hill near a beach in a daylight, I really hope that clear footage like that will happen for Thylacine 🙏🏼
I’m super skeptical of this stuff but… man. It really does look like one. It’s hard NOT to see a thylacine. Like trying to see a fox, the tail looks wrong. The gate looks wrong.
100% That’s definitely not a quoll. Property I hunted for 12 years had a healthy population of quoll. I’ve seen them in all manner of movement, day and night. Thats not a quoll.
Great stuff mate, it absolutely beggars belief that you were threatened to be taken to court for what you did and i am shocked about it... There are very few people who have absolute knowledge that these animals exist, i really really wonder what should happen to the people who have labelled these animals extinct. Keep up the great work 👍
Great footage mate. The gait is spot on. Its the tail and thermal on the rear for me. If its a quoll then its been taking steroids. Strange roo behaviour, cautious without total scatter
Official recognition of rediscovery of thylacines would ultimately lock up financially exploitable wilderness for logging agriculture mining and general development. Unfortunately profit from the environment will always win over protection of the environment and what's in it.
I don't buy it that the government doesn't want a potential thylacine discovery because of land being locked up in the aftermath.. I mean look at how many endangered and near extinct species are having their habitats destroyed every year in Australia. Koalas are on the path to extinction because the governments won't stop allowing forest habitat to be logged. Nothing gets in the way of resource extraction
just look at the Swift parrots...look at the Albanese governments refusal to take onboard the excellent review of our conservation act by Professor Graeme Samuel AC (which is damning btw). There's a reason why Australia has the highest rate of endangered species numbers for both birds, reptiles and mammals of any country in the world. Daylight 2nd.
Just realised the front left also has quite a high heat signature, this discounts the rear left injury hypophysis. Nice footage, rear rump definitely evident.🤓
Good observations @Jamaca22 Basically the majority of the heat is in the legs, the groin area (blow the base of the tail) and the legs. Makes sense for 4 legged animal on the move.
Doesn't discount it. The right front leg is close to being the same shade, too. I'm guessing different colour fur showing different shades of B/W. Rear hind only a tad different shade, often found in nature. Legs provide mobility, they get a lot of blood. It's why vampire bats go for horse's legs, lots of veins near the surface.
I thought Quoll at first until the zoomed in footage and realised the legs are too long. Jaw looks too broad to be a fox. Cool footage 👍 keen to keep following this.
Have seen very similar gaits in dogs/foxes with hip injuries/arthritis, I'm not seeing where it convincingly load-bares on that leg. Looks like an animal that is favouring that leg due to joint pain. Tail seems to have some brush left at the end, have seen plenty of city foxes IRL where the tail is mainly where mange shows. Chest is fairly fluffy and tubular looking, front half of animal is very much like a fairly well built male fox. Footage is Just not definitive enough, generally finding it unconvincing that the first place thylacines would be sighted would be the mainland, where they've been known to be extinct for 2000 years. Find it entirely conceivable that there are populations tucked away in remote, inaccessible areas of Tasmania, crazier things have happened in regards to extinct species showing up out of the blue, but honestly if I had to bet money, this seems like an older male fox in sketchy condition.
If that was a Mange fox that is still in the juvenile age..then it should have deadass died by either a larger predator, get KO'D by the disease or Even Getting the meanest Haymaker by a Motivated Kangaroo 💀
I hate to say this because I know how much work is involved, but while very intriguing at this time I'd say it is a fox with an injured leg for two reasons, legs seem more like a fox than thylacine and same for tail. I'm certainly open to more information and I think you'll be able to get it at this location. In particular the tail seems to have a bit of fluff left per mange unlike the much more bare tail of a thylacine. Additionally, as we see in existing thylacine zoo footage, the thylacine tail is much stiffer and without the multiple curvature we see in this animal's tail. I have no idea why this footage and your efforts attract rude comments, wtf is wrong with people. I do think the thylacine is still with us...including on mainland AU.
Great observation @davida.4933 0nly a few people have picked this up. I've back to the original footage and zoomed in just now before talking to you just to check and there is a wee tuff of hair on the end of what to me looks like a Swamp wallaby "like" tail. This is great news, mainland Thylacine reports from Aboriginals and their paintings quite often show a wee tuff at the base. I have a great pdf (which I can't share with you - and some reason the link doesn't work when testing it first) but if you google *Thy Thylacoleo is a thylacine* by David M. Welch (if you get the Western Australian Museum pdf link) there is some great images which are better than me chatting here about it (photo is a thousand words). This part is important: Tail Tuft or Brush Researchers are aware of an additional characteristic of thylacines: the presence of short hairs producing a small tuft at the end of the tail, first recognised by Brandl (1972:29), who described it as a ‘brush’. This feature is depicted on a number of paintings in both the Kimberley (Walsh 1994:284-285) and Arnhem Land (Figures 8 and 9); most paintings, however, depict the tail with a smooth, rounded end. One consideration is whether the tail tuft is gender specific. However, it appears on both male and female thylacine paintings (Figures 8 and 9). Another is whether artists depicted tail tufts only when the tail was elevated, such as might occur if the animal was threatened or aroused; however, the tuft appears on tails that are both elevated and lowered. Photographs and movies taken of living thylacines before their extinction in 1936 have been examined specifically for signs of this tufted tail, but, being so small, it appears to be lacking on most tails, which have ends appearing rounded or pointed. European paintings of the thylacine show no depiction of a tuft. Further thylacine research has included the examination of preserved specimens on public display at the museums of Tasmania, WA and the Natural History Museum in London (Figure 10). Figure 11 shows the tail detail of the London specimen. Although the tail tip appears slightly damaged or broken, long hairs are clearly visible at the end of the tail, which are absent more proximally. Lewis (1977:101) examined five mounted thylacines in the South Australian Museum and observed ‘a definite though irregular and flat-lying brush on the last 10 to 15 centimetres of the tail’. Similarly, Lord and Scott noted *‘The young have more pronounced stripes and a distinct crest on the tail’ *(as cited in Paddle 2000:46). Stevenson recalled that a *juvenile thylacine in captivity ‘would stick its bristles up and snarl at the approach of a stranger* (cited in Paddle 2000:46). One photograph of a young thylacine at the London Zoo ca 1906 has a short line of low raised hairs visible along the top of its distal tail end (Paddle 2000:53). This tail tuft or crest, more prominent in juveniles, normally lying flat against the tail and flaring only when the animal is aroused, is easily overlooked. As an anatomical feature of thylacines it has been depicted by observant Aboriginal artists. It is noted that artists who depicted the tail tuft on their thylacine paintings often included whiskers (Figures 8 and 9). Both whiskers and tail tufts appear on the first two northern Australian paintings that were interpreted as possible representations of Thylacoleo (Murray and Chaloupka 1984:111).
Thanks for sharing your bush hunting experiences mate.... roos showing a degree of agitation and what is pushing on through reflects the mobs behaviour....
Finally some one noticed the reaction of the roos @deanbowman2524 I know now your not pretending to be a hunter. I was subtly trying to point it out. If you start at 5:40 and spilt the footage into 4, and then go right from the red target 1/4 along the roos. And then watch them scatter......there is one big boomer. Who doesn't give a sh*t. The Thylacine goes and stops behind that big ripped bugger. Don't be saying a "Thylacine doesn't do that", ask your self why? You can read all you want in books about the Thylacines, study every bit of literature available. I'll tell you this, they don't tell you about the behaviour, their breeding, their courtship, their travel patterns, what they eat and when (day and season). You have to get and learn this (and I know just a little). Thanks mate for your observations, quick question did you hear the yips /yaps before the dog bark and just before the roos all lift their heads? It's not a trick question.....
@@andrewchalmers7422 , and how would panthers get to australia? easy! just a couple of days ago, i watched a show by phillip maillis (oops i think i got his name wrong) about the old markets in melbourne and a newspaper ad is shown advertising exotic animals for sale.
I was so excited about this video, so I made a small collage with skinned tiger carcass and skinned fox carcass(since we can`t see fur in thermal videos) and put the screenshots from this video to compare. It doesn`t match the fox really. Their tails are thinner and there is no base of the tail. Ears also don`t look trianle and long as fox one to me. I hope to see a night vision video of this animal soon
There's more than one species of thylacine living in Australia. This is why people get confused. They think it's just one that has to be exactly like Benji. In reality they'd be so many variables that we really don't know. Very good analysis though.
Great catch on the yapping. If the lady takes you to court, she's bringing light to your cause. The roos watched until it wasn't a threat. Do you think the thylacine smells similar to a roo? Some stood, watched and seemed unsure. Then moved away after the thylacine yapping in the background. Absolutely unbelievable mate 😀
I know exactly what it was doing. I just can't share it with the world just yet. But I do leave wee subtle clues. But you seem a bit more clued up than the average Mangy Fox so might have to rein myself in. 👍
Who on Earth has standing to sue you for presenting evidence of an extant thylacine? Is this some logging company exec not wanting the existence of living thylacines to come to light or is this some "E-saftey" bs?
Why is there such a distinct heat signature from that tear left leg? Mange perhaps? Possibly a wound? It's clearly limping and not using its rear legs to bound like a thylacine. I think that animal doesn't have full range of motion in its rear left leg. I love the content! Please keep it up 😊
We can only guess at how long it's been running. Warm mussle glows bright. And a Thylacine power does come from its back legs. Shame we can't see the other side 👍 I have a video somewhere on here from my thermal drone. Filming back toward a forest, I could see a glow in the tree from ~1km away. I flew over, I was a large animal lying on a branch up a tree. I tried my hardest to get it to move with the drone to get a ID on it. It wouldn't budge, and I had abort. Every part of that animal was glowing, such a heat signature. I can only guess it was exhausted from a trip down the local gym. 🏋️♂️
@@ambiguousworld Koala on steroids? I am sadly a believer that Humans have done their work all too well in removing countless species from the planet, including the thylacine. Never-the-less, we owe it to our planet to keep striving to rescue species on the brink where ever we can.
The creature in the footage have a uniform body short hair, shown in a dark grey value, it’s seems not mangey. If it was the case, it had be possible to see some white on the body as the skin appear as pure white. I looked other videos of mangy foxes filmed with thermal cameras and noticed that a great majority of mangy foxes have hair loss on the body. Here, only the legs, the face and the inner ears are white due to the shortness of the hair at these areas in general. Plus let’s note the anatomy of this animal that matches very well too!
This footage is HD. Did you have the YT setting on potato quality? Also, in defence of the footage, the Thylacine is +50m away on a rainy night. I wish the Thylacine would come out during the day and present itself to me in an open area for a few hours. While also giving me some hair and blood samples as no one would still believe the footage 😂
Save for hard dna evidence, a body, or a live specimen obviously the verdict is still up in the air. That being said, I'm a very open minded skeptic, I think this is a absolutely worth investigation rather than the quick dismissal it often receives. Not sure why there are so many who seemingly adopt this angle so quickly. The footage is very compelling and by comparison to the archival stuff, does appear to have allot of parallel. If we do end up finding a small surviving population, that would be incredible! Conservation/preservation efforts could be put into full swing instead of resurrection!
For what it's worth, it was definitely favoring that leg. I suspect that they are still around and that if the government knows about it they would have to keep it quiet until they are established because people would mob them and some would try to poach them. We went through the same thing here with Cougars. The state denied their existence and ridiculed any sightings reported until they were established enough that it couldn't be denied anymore. Then one day they passed laws protecting them.
I’m not discounting that it’s a Thylacine, but is it possible that it’s a type of quoll or another native marsupial? To me it looks on the small size to for a Thylacine so perhaps it’s another native marsupial with a similar appearance and gait.
Forrest is laughing stock where there's anything thylacine. It needs to be done in a cartoon for him. He's never made any sense and getting worse as he ages.
Great clip mate. If you don't get phone calls from this particular sighting, you'll know that the government are keeping their distance. Do the locals know that they are there?
You’ve got something here mate. Personally I think the reaction of the kangaroos and the overall length of the tail compared to the body & the way its moves doesn’t scream fox to me. I’m from south west Victoria and I’ve hunted under spotlight all my life, kangaroos do not scatter like this when a fox in near in my country. Someone please pass this footage onto “Forrest Galante” to review.
Is it just me or in the 1st clip as it passes behind the roo, it looks to clip out of the frame, like it's been super imposed onto the video? Use settings to clow down the video to x0.25 and watch the head disappear before the clip cuts away
I witnessed a quoll attack a possum at Jenolan caves carpark. Was amazing how fast everything was happening...I think the possum got away after the second time they both fell from a height. the speed of the quoll was amazing. I associate sluggishness with marsupials for some reason and was totally wrong. If there's a parallel in ability and punching above weight, the kangaroos probably should be wary.
I first saw your other video and was quite impressed, when it zoomed in I could clearly see the animal had an injured leg which immediately made me more skeptic. The fact that on this video you make clear that's somethinhg many other people noticed made me even more concerned. The fact that you count 1,2,3 each time the animal hops doesn't mean its foot landed, it's very clear at points in the footage that the left leg is carried at an odd angle and not fully stepping down... sort of how a injured fox would. It's also very convenient that it's a small "juvenile" thylacine that just happens to be the size of an adult fox... in an area where you already filmed foxes... Yea, this is _still_ some of the best would-be-thylacine videos out there, but it's by _no_ means conclussive. We get excelent trap-camera footage and HD cellphone pics of all sorts of rare animals, up close and in color. Maybe if you continue the good work, we'll someday get something like that, and then it'll be settled.
@@ambiguousworld Lemme check, you have plenty of videos, haha. Humn.. yea, the donger thing, I think it's hardly clear. There's a tiny blurry bright spot on the thermal imaging when fully zoomed and fully contrasted, like could be an exposed patch of skin in the upper thigh, from the injury or the famous mange that shows up hotter. I really don't want to be mean or disrespect or anything, it just seems like you really _want_ to find a Thylacine while on an area that has no recent records of them, where there also seem to be plenty of foxes and dogs and such. Seems to me that if you really have thylacines in your backyard (hope you do!) and you keep getting what seem to be frequent (distant) recordings of them, it should be too long before you get something _really_ conclusive, right? Maybe you are the guy to do it. Again, maybe its the thermal camera or something , but so far some of the best I've seen. I think the best capture on this channel is the "Can you Spot the Difference" video. Am I stupid or that does really does look like Tthylacine up close? I'm confused by your "this animal is a Mange Fox" reply to a comment. I guess the tail looks a bit too thin at the base compared to real T. footage. Are both those animals on the video foxes, is that what you are saying?
The donger, it's hardly a tiny bright spot. The animal is pretty well endowed, but if we have to call it mangy to pigeon hole it, that's what we'll do, because that injury is having to do a lot of heavy lifting. Spot the difference video, both are foxes one has mange. Both male foxes too. You can easily tell a fox, by its long hocks and pointy ears from the top of its head.
@@ambiguousworld Uh, really? they look really different sizes, the shape and form of the head and ears. The height of the heel seems lower too, at least to me. The only thing that seems off on a 10th watch is the tail. Seems a bit too thin at the base. Like it should be thicker like in other marsupials. But who knows, if you took it and say its a fox, maybe I can't tell a fox from a thylacine after all.
It's kind of funny that video has a lot of Thylacine comments mate. It is a fox with a really bad case of mange. Remember that a Thylacine can get mange too, but their tail has short hair, so hair loss doesn't really change the perceived thickness. I have hundreds of mangy fox videos, with the disease in all its stages. I do this for reference maybe I need to make a video and show it.
Excellent that you have been determined and dedicated. Incredible footage. I cannot imagine why anyone would not want the animal to exist. May your efforts and its continued existence be reported in news headlines across the World. It will certainly counter the sadness of the extinction of the white rhino earlier this year. ❤
Instead of trying to plug dodgy videos of a Fake Thylacine which is extinct, maybe you could come up with some strategy to save all your other wildlife species that are all in rapid decline ,your Koala Bear for instance is in danger of extinction while you sit there pretending to be an expert on wildlife you beer guzzling useless loafer?
I'm no expert but I think the Thylacines ankles are usually a lot lower to the ground then a fox or most animals, so I guess that's something to look for. Also mange is one of the main reasons we NEED thylacines. From what I heard they can help control the population of the other animals, or they scavenge carcasses (maybe) and help decrease the spread of mange.
Whatever it is, 100% it's definitely NOT a fox. The larger kangaroos wouldn't be bothered hoping away from a fox, mangy or not, unless they had a very small joey outside of the pouch which there obviously isn't. It's possible it's a mangy feral dog, but they tend to travel in a group and the low hock tends to tell a totally different story. So in my opinion, it could be either. Great find AW.
I'm so glad you did this! I really do think you have some of the most compelling footage in the 2000's+. Can I ask your thoughts on the 1973 footage from South Australia? Does the footage match your experience with how they look/move, or do you think it might have been a dog/something else? Something that bothers me about most modern footage is that even if it is a thylacine, you could easily (mis?)identify it as a fox since their ears, hocks, and other identifiers don't always show up clearly. I'm from the US, so I have never seen something that could be a thylacine, but I see foxes on video and in person all the time, and it seems to me a lot of the behaviors people attribute to thylacines (like the hopping motion) are actually quite common in foxes. It makes it so hard to be sure unless we get a very clear image.
I have spoken with Liz Doyle, and she said there were stripes on the animal. That's good enough for me, as it runs and looks like a Thylacine. At the end of the day, your eyes are better than any 1970s camera. Once you see this animal, you never forget. Great comment, by the way. 👍
I am kind of 65% yes, 35% no. I just don't think a thermal image at that distance will ever be definitive for me. I appreciate you sharing this with us. I do believe they aren't extinct. Keep up the good work!
1:58 understanding the anatomy of an animal, especially of one that is more than likely extinct, is quintessential sure, but in this circumstance you kinda have to take into account that the full view of the legs is being obscured by the landscape/grass…
Absolutely @BambiniArtini I 100% agree. where I drew the lines on rear legs is probably the only time we get to see them. 8 or 9 frames. The measurements are still ball park numbers, and there will be an obvious error proportion. However, the difference in rear leg proportions of the fox and Thylacine is quite large. So you can start to rule one out over the other. Measuring this is at least better than visually guessing. I'm biased as I've seen these animals, so measuring the anatomy helps me avoid my bias and be more logical. Lots of people state (not just video) that the hocks are low, the hocks are high. When I measure them and get a ball park number, it's quite often completely opposite to what they state. The rest of the footage is, as you say, always obscured by the grass.
Yes this looks to be real to me, if it’s not an edited video I’d say this is solid proof to begin looking on the area and get a photo or something super concrete and then start immediate conservation
The ears may be too pointd. But it is worth further investigation. I witnesses one crossing the highway at around 9pm one nigh at Mt Eliza on the Mornington Peninsula about 25 years ago.
Geologist friends have talked to me about their experiences with Dooligars in South Australia. I find it fascinating and could listen to them all day. Some stories I could pass on (right, good yarn). As someone who works in industry I'm horrified to hear what we've done to some of the Aboriginal history. Either destroyed or not allowed to be spoken about. I understand that Australia/World needs resources but we have so much here that there is enough room to leave these sacred places. The BHP scandle in 2020? in the Pilbara was eye-opener to what could have occurred in previous decades. Cameron Thylacine Alcoa is another good investigation that I have done, you should too. Don't want to sound too hypercritical as I'm in industry too, but I've had to stand up for the sake of animals and environment (not cultural heritage so far, but I would). Profit should not come before them.
GOODNESS ME? There are some very spiteful and blinkered people . There is so much to be gleaned from all your initial night vision drone flight efforts up till now and what it shows is nocturnally, this my be the way to finally resolve the existence of this Animal. yes … keep going as Tin Man says. Its not a fox. Its not a Quoll as front legs to long, and its not a dog. Why Not a dog. This animals gate is not a trot?
My parents dog was born with a bad leg from birth and it walks like that. No pain, but obvious when watching walk or run. It could happen to a fox as well
I am just curious, is this animal's body elongation (I am referring to the length of its torso) more on par with that of a fox or a thylacine? I've always believed, and I may be wrong, that Thylacines had a more elongated torso compared to a fox?
You are correct the length of the torso is elongated in a Thylacine, compared to a fox. From speaking with people in Gippsland that knew these animals well they seem to grow *up* the way first, then grow *elongated* in their later stages of growth. I'm not sure if this is reported in the literature but from track lines (paw prints) this does seem to be the case. I haven't done any more measurements on this particular aspect after measuring the hocks which matched a Tasmanian tiger. And I'm not going to either, as a few people have now put some of the footage through filters (what's up on TH-cam is just raw) and they are saying that they're pulling up stripes on the rump. I haven't done any of this with the raw footage as I don't know how (all I use is lightworks for the videos and canva for the thumbnails) so I'm going to be concentrating on that aspect (getting someone that knows what they are doing). Thanks for the great question and welcome to the channel.
@@ambiguousworld thanks for the explanation mate. There are a few images on the net showing Thylacine joeys with similar elongation at what seems to be early in their development. I am still 100% convinced the animal you captured in your night drone footage a few yrs back was the real deal. I still can't get over what you captured on film that night and the way it bounded and ran all over the place before getting away! That's where I'd be using your new gear if I were you mate :) Keep up the great work mate!
@@Huck19Bella Interesting, You'll have to email me some images of the Tasmanian Tigers - are they taxidermy ones? I was down in that area (3hr drive) , the week before heading back to work to use the Thermal scope as a spotter (and test the spydabot) got some absolutely great footage filming the otherside of the valley. Mostly foxes, but there was a few animals of interest later before I had to head home. They were quadrupeds but at ~1km I couldn't ID them. They were annoying the Kangaroos. I don't spend as much time there as I would like, the farmer has asked me to come and film his Thylacines and Devils, but I need a week to do this so haven't done it yet. And also I have Thylacines in my home patch walking distance, and for my family it's best I concentrate closer to home.
Well i for 1 thought it was a fox, still do, but i wouldnt hit dislike as i appreciate what your doing and like the content you put on, at this stage until you can capture an image in daytime or trap one humanely and show us proof we can all have our own opinion, after all we were shown the head of a tabby cat and are meant to believe that. Lol good luck in your search, im not here to disprove anybody wrong but just say what i made of the video myself, i really hope your successful in bringing this animal to us in real life again.
Seems like the real deal to me. You should compare that little hoping gait to foxes, dingos, and Tasmanian Devils.. your footage has a similar gait to Devils i reckon.
Hi ambiguous world, could you show a picture of the camera with the footage to prove that it is not fake? (if it was taken with a camera not a cellphone)
Here is my first video of me with the camera / scope. th-cam.com/video/oDGQJ1qz9lo/w-d-xo.html Will upload the full 9hrs - I just can't do that at the moment as I'm at work for the next 2weeks and the internet just isn't good enough. I took nearly 12hrs you put all the files into lightworks to just make the video. Just have to bear with me, all the meta data etc is there (I had to google how to find that).
Why do some contest this so strongly? They must have careers pinned on the extinction of the animal and finding it still alive will prove their doctoral theses wrong or soemthing. They attack you because they can't attack the evidence.
But the tail has a kink and whips at one point, undulating from the top along the length, which simply can't happen with a thylacine. Ears seem a bit large also. I'm a true believer in the thylacine excising, just not convinced by this particular footage.
I put my foot down when limping…..but I avoid normal weight bearing. So what you saying? Less injured than other fox footage. Why not show a picture of a fox, same as the pic of the thylacine?
Humans usually find it hard walking on one leg, that's you have to put your injured foot down. A quadruped has 4 legs, so can hold one off the ground to help it recover if can. 😉
I study movements as I am an animator. Watching a couple of times it moves like a small Thylacine to me, I did pay attencion to the proportion of the body, legs, head, ears and tail. For me it moves like a small thylacine or might be a fox with an injured leg? If that is a mangy fox or other animal it definetely got me wrong..
You've been around the channel a long time, always call a spade a spade. Good on ya. 👍 The roos are around ~50m away - the tree line is 150m (middle of the camera).
There is a distinct weight difference between the red fox and thylacine and a slight length difference among other differences. Maybe this is just a stupid idea ,but get a cut out about the same size as the biggest roo then a cut out about the size of an adult red fox and the one of a thylacine take the out to the clearing set them up and your camera and the same distances or even varying distances take film or pictures and see how the cutouts measure up to one another. Another thing to possibly try and collect is prints there are very distinct differences between fox and thylacine.i dont know im often told i over complicate simple things but if i was trying to prove or disprove somethings existence or lack there of id get every little bit of evidence i could from size scaling to tracks even scat im fairly sure that there will be a difference in scat between a fox and a thylacine including dna which if it were me id photograph and video the collection of the tracks and scat and such and then photograph and video the entire process of dividing and packaging then have multiple different groups check the dna of the scat samples not only will you then have a dietary profile of the animal you will have its dna profile and if it doesn't match fox or dingo or canine well then its clearly something else
At around the 5:22 mark I thought I was hearing a Mopoke Owl which are common here in Australia, but the more I listened to it the more it sounds like a dog barking. The Roos seem to hear it and take notice as well.
Something does set the dogs off in the distance (agree I do here dogs) @TheJacksonFour could be a Mopoke I could pick out a set of 3 or 4 smaller barks.
I know there have been cases where an animal has been pronounced extinct, only to be found living in isolated pockets. Could well be a tiger. I hope so!!
*Mangy Fox v Thylacine* Thread to unclutter the comments section.
This is a great summary of *Mangy Fox v Thylacine* Taken from a *sceptic Thylacine continued Existence Website*
thylacoleo.proboards.com/thread/2080/foxes-mistaken-thylacines But I will post it here encase it gets closed down.
Mar 9, 2011 at 4:17am
*1. Thylacines do look a lot like very short haired/mangy foxes/other canids.*
*2. Mangy animals do look very different and odd compared to healthy ones.*
*2. Foxes do have the ”heel gait” in their repertoire of movements in some situations. You can easily pick out single ”frames” from the videos supplied, showing this.*
*3. Mangy foxes do seem to have very rigid tails and skin, which could afflict their gait.*
*4. Foxes do not have deep chests, as do some other canids and the T., but illnesses like mange may make the chest of F. seem more protruding. Angle of footage would also have an impact on this conception.*
*5. F. do have very large ears especially mangy ones, contrary to T. But recognizing this depends on footage (angles and light comes to mind)*
Why Are Foxes and Other Canines Often Mistaken for Thylacines?
First of all I do want to stress, that this is not a comment on Youcantry´s thorough analysis of the Doyle footage. It´s merely a reflexion on the alleged Tylacine videos obviously showing foxes in general.
Mangy Animals:
Most people haven´t seen animals without their hair. If they do, they would hardly recognize them. Animals missing hair could be due to mange, animals having had surgery, or suffering from generic or hormonal deceases.
The Foxes and Their Natural Coat: For foxes it is also true that they only have their ”typical” look: thick red coat and very brushy tail, the preferred model for Disney and others, for a period of the year (actually the shortest). Foxes living in towns hardly ever get this feature to the full extent.
On several occasions people have asked me to dispatch of ”a very sick fox" they have seen, which ever so often is just a vixen with cubs during the summer. They can look really awful and mangy, even if not. They are just shedding.
Mangy Foxes vs. Thylacines:
The straight and rigid tail is taken as a definite diagnostic of the Thylacine, even though its tail actually has some flexibility to it (watch the old film clips).
Mangy foxes don´t look much like foxes at all. Especially the skinny tail is noted by spectators, also the elongated snout, but note the afflicted animal will also often seem to have incredible large ears, if the loss of hair affects the head. By severe attacks of mange, the foxes become next to naked. Their skin become grayish, dry and crusted, and they will die in the end. The grayish color of the skin is due to hair still sitting in the follicles of the skin, when the visible part of the hair is scratched of.
The dry and crusted skin has made me wondering, and what comes next are just my thoughts.
I suggest that the presumably rigid tail, often seen in the videos of these foxes (allegedly Thylacines), is part of the pathological picture of mangy foxes. I imagine that when the skin becomes less flexible the tail stiffens because the tail consists of mainly skin and bones, very little muscle and no fat, except for the root. Perhaps even the connective tissue is changing during the pathogenesis, but that´s only speculation on my behalf, and we will have to consult somebody with greater veterinary insight than I.
Also the stiffening of the skin could possible have an impact on gait and other features of the drabbed animals. Although most alleged Thylacines in the videos, have a perfectly normal fox gait.
Some of the elements, I have mentioned, would also apply for other canids.
I have only seen a couple of mangy foxes myself (dead) and many photos, the next time I come by a mangy fox, I will surely do a thorough examination of the features mentioned here.
Conclusions
1.Thylacines do look a lot like very short haired/mangy foxes/other canids.
2.Mangy animals do look very different and odd compared to healthy ones.
2.Foxes do have the ”heelgait” in their repertoire of movements in some situations. You can easily pick out single ”frames” from the videos supplied, showing this.
3.Mangy foxes do seem to have very rigid tails and skin, which could afflict their gait.
4.Foxes do not have deep chests, as do some other canids and the T., but illnesses like mange may make the chest of F. seem more protruding. Angle of footage would also have an impact on this conception.
5.F. do have very large ears especially mangy ones, contrary to T. But recognizing this depends on footage (angles and light comes to mind)
Examples of Heelgaiting in Foxes
Below are some examples of ”heelgaiting” of foxes, and ”heelgaiting” will of course produce a sort of ”Longpad” print.
The two videos of the foxes in the snow are showing a very typical technique used by foxes, when catching small rodents and such critters (in some countries called mousing). This technique is by now means restricted to snowy circumstances.
Please also note the fox´s hind limps, when he jumps the wallaby and tries to hold it down/drag it.
th-cam.com/video/dP15zlyra3c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YFabuod6LBbS3z6h
th-cam.com/video/AEgsKdkbxEY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xmGrnURZGi5i9XeQ
th-cam.com/video/MiTWwcfhrNI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kxA5T5C2Fv4Z9I6Z
th-cam.com/video/D4M7pJJEVoY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Y01OrC7MDJ3qEXHH
I'm not sure why everyone is getting twisted off over mange. Thylacines were getting Mange in Tasmania off the wild dogs, so bad that some of their bounty pelts could not be sold.
Thylacines (like wombats) get mange because they often use burrows as their lairs.
There are a few great characteristics that this animal has. Short hocks probably the best way of differentiating a fox from a Thylacine at night.
However, the footage shows some other key features - the rounded ears on the side of the face they start just behind the Thylacine's eye. Foxes have big pointy ears starting on the top of their head. Just google Thylacine head as see for yourself.
The gait is peculiar, limp, injured foot or not. Can a Thylacine not have a injury too? Or just foxes? However, it doesn't seem to be having much trouble in putting it down. 1 step a second on a possible injured foot??? How about the big strong back legs? the long tail and the very marsupial but.
Anyway, I digress, I don't think this animal has manage at all from the heat signatures it has a healthy looking body.
Come on the Thylacine. Best footage ever. 👏👏👏👏👏
@@TigerWolfOz The thermal image makes the ears look smaller, that's why this video looks more convincing. Take a thermal video of a verified fox and I reckon it'll look just like this one....
@ncb6158 Are you just new to Ambiguous world? They have been showing their thermal stuff for few years now. A foxes ears look just like a foxes ears, top of their head and pointy. He is their latest video th-cam.com/video/f3vUDGBcdpM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ORZfopISrsl7owLo from just over a week ago. Foxes with pointy ears. They called everyone a fox too. Funny foxes on this channel get a 1,000 views nobody wants to see them But Ambiguous, still did. They said it was for reference and so it had become.
now stop Gaslighting with your fox scat.
@TigerWolfOz spot on!
I am not convinced either way but I suspect that if it were a Thylacine we would astonished by its more muscular, panther like movement.
I do admit this is convincing.
I’ve seen a quoll in the wild and I know they hop.. I thought this is what you have captured.
So I just spent the last hour looking for footage for you to look at.
While doing that I came to the conclusion it’s not a quoll.
Comparing the 2 they are not even close as the same.
Well done.
Your hard work is paying off..!!
Arent Quolls tiny? More house cat size?
@@Addicted2Antlers804 red spotted quoll that I’ve seen are bigger than a Jack Russell.
The tail is too thin and long to be a Fox. I'm a skeptic by nature. But this is hard to debunk. The stride is the same as the early B&W footage of the Thylacine in captivity. It's not absolute identification. But it's very convincing.
So true Martin he's a beautiful boy.
Fox have thinner tails. A thylesene has a muscular tail similar to a kanagaroo
Also, its tail is held straight and strong. Compare that to the tail of the injured fox in this video alone, and its tail is hanging down and weak.
@@Red_Foxx101 Your 22-Cents is worth at least 💲1 mate. Seeing is believing.
This is the most convincing evidence I’ve seen to date. It gives me hope that the species still exists.
It does still exist because they keep popping up all over Australia.
The government will potentially lose billions of dollars in easy money if it's rediscovered. Don't forget our wheat fields in Australia, the produce is sold internationally as grain. Remember the Ukraine war and people starving because of the Russian stance on grain?
This sighting, along with thousands of others, are getting under the governments skin. They know that they are there because they are the ones covering it up.
Billions of dollars or an extinct animal. That is what we are up against.
Yeah for real! All the signs of it being the real thing are there.
Why do ya reckon any cunts got a name like @@wibbleywobbly. But he see straight. 😂😂😂
What got me is that the kangaroos sensed potential danger, and began to move away
Great thinking human 👌
A couple moved away to continue to graze. The majority stayed as they are. Roos are herd animal, one moves, others often follow.
Same with foxes
Great job mate… that goose Forest Galante needs your footage
Yes!
The way it moves its back legs reminds me of a kangaroo or a bandicoot. The hopping motion is smooth and graceful, which makes me think it’s not an injured animal. Additionally, its front legs appear too long to be a quoll.
Agreed, the Thylacine's gate appears smooth, natural and balanced.
You would walk like that if your Donger was that big poking out your pouch. It's a bloody doozy of a doodle. 😮
And based on what I’ve heard that’s how they naturally move
hind legs too messed up to be a thylacine
WAY too long to Quoll. Suddenly "quoll" sounded like a verb in my head so I went with it. 😅
Keep at it.
Impressed with approach.
U will get the definitive proof.
I am all in on what u have seen.
People like yourself and with access to tech will show up some who have categorically advised of some animals demise.
Stay at it.
This awesome.😊
Even the snout and ears are slightly different between a fox and a thylacine, that is no fox
Great Analysis!! It looks very convincing to me, and I’m a rather sceptical person.
Hope this Footage turns out to be the reason we find living Thylacines!
You definitely deserve my sub.
I am one of those who is certain I saw a thylacine crossing the road in darkening evening along Tarra Valley road, Gippsland. I am very interested in nature and a constant observer. I had been going up to Tarre Valley for years by then and have seen many foxes, rabbits and some cats,- no dogs - crossing the road at " crepuscular time". I was astounded and excited, identifying it as a thylacine as soon as I saw it.
The identifying things were the same as a I see in this clearer video.
1. The unusual loping gait. Totally unlike a fox or cat
2. The peculiar shape of the hind before the tail.
3. The long thin tail.
I didn't see any stripes in the brief encounter, and it was via the lights of the car.
This encounter is very exciting. Numerous people have had sightings in lower Victoria.
These bush areas are very dense and probably the reason they are rearly encountered., especially if they hunt at night. Finding recent bones or remains would be a cincher I reckon. Hope this video gets to relevent biologists/museums.
Glad you've seen one mate, They've such a unique animal. I've saw a black one in Gippsland early this year, so they don't always have stripes. It was pleasing to see this animal has I had reports of a big black male in the area 10years previous. This wasn't the same animal as it was German Shepard in size, but would have hopefully been the offspring of the big black male. 🤞
@@ambiguousworld Thanks, keep up the good work. I didn't know they don't aways have stripes, cheers bro.
@@AwareLife The hardest thing is knowing what you saw with everyone telling you what it was.
Fascinates me that some people are so keen to prove YOU wrong, rather than rejoice the things might still be with us. Keep it up friend.
Probably government employees doing their after hours work. Even our scientific world is running and screaming, don't ask me, don't ask me.
They are very reluctant to put their name down on record because of ridicule.
the problem in either case is there is no categorical proof - until and unless someone can get some dna to compare the museum samples its all just sepeculation
I think the fact is most people who love wildlife and specifically thylacines would want them to still be extant. However over the past few years there’s been a tone of very poor and completely outlandish claims and reports, proving to be undoubtedly fake (and many came from so called experts). People just want truth and if something (like this video) shows a more than likely fox then it’s fair for people to point out the features disproving a thylacine. I still think the only really trust worthy people when it comes to thylacines are the locals in PNG and west papua, certainly take anything from Tasmania and Australia with a grain of salt.
That's how science works, you try to reject your claim until you cant reject it anymore
The thing is it’s way more likely to be a fox or a dog. I’ve seen foxes all over the place in suburban Sydney. Not common but they are there.
I live in Rural NSW now and feral dogs are everywhere. If they see you they are usually heading the opposite direction.
The funny thing is you can’t prove a negative. That’s is you can’t prove it isn’t one, so it’s easy to say what else could it be. 🤠
Please keep this up I’m also hoping that Thylacine still exist even if their population is small, just like in my country Indonesia when they declared Javan Tiger went extinct in 2003 but sightings happened, the most convincing one was the footage in 2024 in Yogyakarta in Gunungkidul where one was seen climbing up a hill near a beach in a daylight, I really hope that clear footage like that will happen for Thylacine 🙏🏼
Thank you. You do a great job doing the videos.
I’m super skeptical of this stuff but… man. It really does look like one. It’s hard NOT to see a thylacine. Like trying to see a fox, the tail looks wrong. The gate looks wrong.
I have seen many Quolls, that is not one.
Foxes trot.
yes they run they dont lope
100% That’s definitely not a quoll. Property I hunted for 12 years had a healthy population of quoll. I’ve seen them in all manner of movement, day and night. Thats not a quoll.
What’s a Quoll? (I’m not Australian).
@@frenzyviz6296 they are sort of like a north American Possum
@@frenzyviz6296 like a marsupial cat or mongoose
Blind Freddy could see that's no fox.
Sober up and you may not be so @wibbleywobbly. After 6 months at A.A you'll be ok!👍
@@wibbleywobbly Nah I got eagle eyes.
Blind Freddy obviously hadn't shot many foxes in his time then lol
@@blakey9089 Well give yourself the clap then.
@@wingnut6472 real signs of intelligence here...
Great stuff mate, it absolutely beggars belief that you were threatened to be taken to court for what you did and i am shocked about it... There are very few people who have absolute knowledge that these animals exist, i really really wonder what should happen to the people who have labelled these animals extinct. Keep up the great work 👍
Keep up the good work. Some people are hard to convince. And yes I have seen one.
Can you see the stripes on original footage????? Not seeing any stripes on negative imaging…..
It is negative of thermal viewing, stripes it is probable that stripes would be dimly seen, especially at sunlight, this is recorded during the night.
Great footage mate. The gait is spot on. Its the tail and thermal on the rear for me. If its a quoll then its been taking steroids. Strange roo behaviour, cautious without total scatter
Yeah Daniel he's doodle is bigger than a quoll. Dirt Diggler ❤
@@TigerWolfOz😂😂😂
Official recognition of rediscovery of thylacines would ultimately lock up financially exploitable wilderness for logging agriculture mining and general development. Unfortunately profit from the environment will always win over protection of the environment and what's in it.
I don't buy it that the government doesn't want a potential thylacine discovery because of land being locked up in the aftermath.. I mean look at how many endangered and near extinct species are having their habitats destroyed every year in Australia. Koalas are on the path to extinction because the governments won't stop allowing forest habitat to be logged. Nothing gets in the way of resource extraction
just look at the Swift parrots...look at the Albanese governments refusal to take onboard the excellent review of our conservation act by Professor Graeme Samuel AC (which is damning btw). There's a reason why Australia has the highest rate of endangered species numbers for both birds, reptiles and mammals of any country in the world. Daylight 2nd.
Just realised the front left also has quite a high heat signature, this discounts the rear left injury hypophysis. Nice footage, rear rump definitely evident.🤓
Good observations @Jamaca22 Basically the majority of the heat is in the legs, the groin area (blow the base of the tail) and the legs. Makes sense for 4 legged animal on the move.
Doesn't discount it. The right front leg is close to being the same shade, too. I'm guessing different colour fur showing different shades of B/W. Rear hind only a tad different shade, often found in nature. Legs provide mobility, they get a lot of blood. It's why vampire bats go for horse's legs, lots of veins near the surface.
I think your hardwork has paid off, well done👍🏻
I thought Quoll at first until the zoomed in footage and realised the legs are too long. Jaw looks too broad to be a fox. Cool footage 👍 keen to keep following this.
@@andrewchalmers7422yeah like ten times it size
Have seen very similar gaits in dogs/foxes with hip injuries/arthritis, I'm not seeing where it convincingly load-bares on that leg. Looks like an animal that is favouring that leg due to joint pain. Tail seems to have some brush left at the end, have seen plenty of city foxes IRL where the tail is mainly where mange shows. Chest is fairly fluffy and tubular looking, front half of animal is very much like a fairly well built male fox. Footage is Just not definitive enough, generally finding it unconvincing that the first place thylacines would be sighted would be the mainland, where they've been known to be extinct for 2000 years. Find it entirely conceivable that there are populations tucked away in remote, inaccessible areas of Tasmania, crazier things have happened in regards to extinct species showing up out of the blue, but honestly if I had to bet money, this seems like an older male fox in sketchy condition.
If that was a Mange fox that is still in the juvenile age..then it should have deadass died by either a larger predator, get KO'D by the disease or Even Getting the meanest Haymaker by a Motivated Kangaroo 💀
@@L3tHaLMaN1A-l8u Foxes are tough as old boots, it's very common to see adults coping with a moderate case of mange like this
The way it moves is what makes it seem more credible to me. It looks a lot like how a devil runs, and that’s how I would think a thylacine would run.
I hate to say this because I know how much work is involved, but while very intriguing at this time I'd say it is a fox with an injured leg for two reasons, legs seem more like a fox than thylacine and same for tail. I'm certainly open to more information and I think you'll be able to get it at this location. In particular the tail seems to have a bit of fluff left per mange unlike the much more bare tail of a thylacine. Additionally, as we see in existing thylacine zoo footage, the thylacine tail is much stiffer and without the multiple curvature we see in this animal's tail. I have no idea why this footage and your efforts attract rude comments, wtf is wrong with people. I do think the thylacine is still with us...including on mainland AU.
Great observation @davida.4933 0nly a few people have picked this up. I've back to the original footage and zoomed in just now before talking to you just to check and there is a wee tuff of hair on the end of what to me looks like a Swamp wallaby "like" tail. This is great news, mainland Thylacine reports from Aboriginals and their paintings quite often show a wee tuff at the base. I have a great pdf (which I can't share with you - and some reason the link doesn't work when testing it first) but if you google *Thy Thylacoleo is a thylacine* by David M. Welch (if you get the Western Australian Museum pdf link) there is some great images which are better than me chatting here about it (photo is a thousand words).
This part is important: Tail Tuft or Brush Researchers are aware of an additional characteristic of thylacines: the presence of short hairs producing a small tuft at the end of the tail, first recognised by Brandl (1972:29), who described it as a ‘brush’. This feature is depicted on a number of paintings in both the Kimberley (Walsh 1994:284-285) and Arnhem Land (Figures 8 and 9); most paintings, however, depict the tail with a smooth, rounded end. One consideration is whether the tail tuft is gender specific. However, it appears on both male and female thylacine paintings (Figures 8 and 9). Another is whether artists depicted tail tufts only when the tail was elevated, such as might occur if the animal was threatened or aroused; however, the tuft appears on tails that are both elevated and lowered. Photographs and movies taken of living thylacines before their extinction in 1936 have been examined specifically for signs of this tufted tail, but, being so small, it appears to be lacking on most tails, which have ends appearing rounded or pointed. European paintings of the thylacine show no depiction of a tuft. Further thylacine research has included the examination of preserved specimens on public display at the museums of Tasmania, WA and the Natural History Museum in London (Figure 10). Figure 11 shows the tail detail of the London specimen. Although the tail tip appears slightly damaged or broken, long hairs are clearly visible at the end of the tail, which are absent more proximally. Lewis (1977:101) examined five mounted thylacines in the South Australian Museum and observed ‘a definite though irregular and flat-lying brush on the last 10 to 15 centimetres of the tail’. Similarly, Lord and Scott noted *‘The young have more pronounced stripes and a distinct crest on the tail’ *(as cited in Paddle 2000:46). Stevenson recalled that a *juvenile thylacine in captivity ‘would stick its bristles up and snarl at the approach of a stranger* (cited in Paddle 2000:46). One photograph of a young thylacine at the London Zoo ca 1906 has a short line of low raised hairs visible along the top of its distal tail end (Paddle 2000:53). This tail tuft or crest, more prominent in juveniles, normally lying flat against the tail and flaring only when the animal is aroused, is easily overlooked. As an anatomical feature of thylacines it has been depicted by observant Aboriginal artists. It is noted that artists who depicted the tail tuft on their thylacine paintings often included whiskers (Figures 8 and 9). Both whiskers and tail tufts appear on the first two northern Australian paintings that were interpreted as possible representations of Thylacoleo (Murray and Chaloupka 1984:111).
While your reading the pdf have a look at the genitals of the animal Figure 14 and then looks at the 2:00 mark He's certainly no girl 😉
Been in the bush most of my adult life hunting from Victoria through nsw and qld. Never seen roos react that way when a fox is pushing through a mob?
Thanks for sharing your bush hunting experiences mate.... roos showing a degree of agitation and what is pushing on through reflects the mobs behaviour....
agree, they took notice and became active and nervous.
That's what I thought. The kangaroos wouldn't bother moving for a fox, feral cat or quoll. Maybe a feral dog, but can't tell from the footage.
The roos I would guess around ~50m away. The tree line to the middle of the camera is ~150m (Just measured it on google maps to re check).
Finally some one noticed the reaction of the roos @deanbowman2524 I know now your not pretending to be a hunter. I was subtly trying to point it out.
If you start at 5:40 and spilt the footage into 4, and then go right from the red target 1/4 along the roos. And then watch them scatter......there is one big boomer. Who doesn't give a sh*t. The Thylacine goes and stops behind that big ripped bugger. Don't be saying a "Thylacine doesn't do that", ask your self why?
You can read all you want in books about the Thylacines, study every bit of literature available. I'll tell you this, they don't tell you about the behaviour, their breeding, their courtship, their travel patterns, what they eat and when (day and season). You have to get and learn this (and I know just a little). Thanks mate for your observations, quick question did you hear the yips /yaps before the dog bark and just before the roos all lift their heads? It's not a trick question.....
Great work.
≽ܫ≼ Next up is Thylacoleo the Marsupial Cat ≽ܫ≼
Thylacoleo is the Holy Grail. 😮
Other Videos are a bit non convincing but this one...man that rear end and tail!
Good luck brother!
@@andrewchalmers7422 , and how would panthers get to australia? easy! just a couple of days ago, i watched a show by phillip maillis (oops i think i got his name wrong) about the old markets in melbourne and a newspaper ad is shown advertising exotic animals for sale.
@ambiguousworld You captured one on film ???
I was so excited about this video, so I made a small collage with skinned tiger carcass and skinned fox carcass(since we can`t see fur in thermal videos) and put the screenshots from this video to compare. It doesn`t match the fox really. Their tails are thinner and there is no base of the tail. Ears also don`t look trianle and long as fox one to me. I hope to see a night vision video of this animal soon
There's more than one species of thylacine living in Australia.
This is why people get confused. They think it's just one that has to be exactly like Benji. In reality they'd be so many variables that we really don't know.
Very good analysis though.
Great catch on the yapping.
If the lady takes you to court, she's bringing light to your cause.
The roos watched until it wasn't a threat. Do you think the thylacine smells similar to a roo?
Some stood, watched and seemed unsure. Then moved away after the thylacine yapping in the background.
Absolutely unbelievable mate 😀
I know exactly what it was doing. I just can't share it with the world just yet. But I do leave wee subtle clues. But you seem a bit more clued up than the average Mangy Fox so might have to rein myself in. 👍
Who on Earth has standing to sue you for presenting evidence of an extant thylacine? Is this some logging company exec not wanting the existence of living thylacines to come to light or is this some "E-saftey" bs?
Why is there such a distinct heat signature from that tear left leg? Mange perhaps?
Possibly a wound?
It's clearly limping and not using its rear legs to bound like a thylacine.
I think that animal doesn't have full range of motion in its rear left leg.
I love the content!
Please keep it up 😊
We can only guess at how long it's been running. Warm mussle glows bright. And a Thylacine power does come from its back legs. Shame we can't see the other side 👍
I have a video somewhere on here from my thermal drone. Filming back toward a forest, I could see a glow in the tree from ~1km away. I flew over, I was a large animal lying on a branch up a tree. I tried my hardest to get it to move with the drone to get a ID on it. It wouldn't budge, and I had abort. Every part of that animal was glowing, such a heat signature. I can only guess it was exhausted from a trip down the local gym. 🏋️♂️
@@ambiguousworld Koala on steroids? I am sadly a believer that Humans have done their work all too well in removing countless species from the planet, including the thylacine. Never-the-less, we owe it to our planet to keep striving to rescue species on the brink where ever we can.
It moves just like the Paul Day footage
The creature in the footage have a uniform body short hair, shown in a dark grey value, it’s seems not mangey. If it was the case, it had be possible to see some white on the body as the skin appear as pure white. I looked other videos of mangy foxes filmed with thermal cameras and noticed that a great majority of mangy foxes have hair loss on the body. Here, only the legs, the face and the inner ears are white due to the shortness of the hair at these areas in general. Plus let’s note the anatomy of this animal that matches very well too!
5:05 if you speed it up you can see how the kangaroos slowly started to raise their heads up and then when it got closer they ran away from it
5:42 and then here they started running
This is hard to debunk.. Interesting to say the least..
Why, when a subject is equivocal, is the only evidence always so I distinct? When some HD footage becomes available I'll get excited.
This footage is HD. Did you have the YT setting on potato quality? Also, in defence of the footage, the Thylacine is +50m away on a rainy night. I wish the Thylacine would come out during the day and present itself to me in an open area for a few hours. While also giving me some hair and blood samples as no one would still believe the footage 😂
Save for hard dna evidence, a body, or a live specimen obviously the verdict is still up in the air. That being said, I'm a very open minded skeptic, I think this is a absolutely worth investigation rather than the quick dismissal it often receives. Not sure why there are so many who seemingly adopt this angle so quickly. The footage is very compelling and by comparison to the archival stuff, does appear to have allot of parallel. If we do end up finding a small surviving population, that would be incredible! Conservation/preservation efforts could be put into full swing instead of resurrection!
For what it's worth, it was definitely favoring that leg. I suspect that they are still around and that if the government knows about it they would have to keep it quiet until they are established because people would mob them and some would try to poach them. We went through the same thing here with Cougars. The state denied their existence and ridiculed any sightings reported until they were established enough that it couldn't be denied anymore. Then one day they passed laws protecting them.
This looks damn promising...and I'm in Midwest U.S.
While im skeptical, this def requires further investigation
I’m not discounting that it’s a Thylacine, but is it possible that it’s a type of quoll or another native marsupial? To me it looks on the small size to for a Thylacine so perhaps it’s another native marsupial with a similar appearance and gait.
They still start off little. They come out of the pouch earlier than a kangaroo would.
Very clear evidence. Congratulations!
Is it limping or is that how they supposedly run? Or gallop idk?
Yes mate ! Hard to denye the bace of the tail !
And the short ears*
Can’t wait to see Forrest go over this footage, are you familiar?
So right i cant wait
He just had that hoax with some kid. This will be great,
Forrest is laughing stock where there's anything thylacine. It needs to be done in a cartoon for him. He's never made any sense and getting worse as he ages.
@@Richard-gy1pq okey hater
@@Richard-gy1pq fair call, hes having a go
Incredible work… back you all the way 👌👍🍻
Amazing footage, well done mate 🤙
Great clip mate.
If you don't get phone calls from this particular sighting, you'll know that the government are keeping their distance.
Do the locals know that they are there?
Thank you for your diligence!
It has a thick tail base like a thylacine. Very cool!
You’ve got something here mate.
Personally I think the reaction of the kangaroos and the overall length of the tail compared to the body & the way its moves doesn’t scream fox to me.
I’m from south west Victoria and I’ve hunted under spotlight all my life, kangaroos do not scatter like this when a fox in near in my country. Someone please pass this footage onto “Forrest Galante” to review.
Is it just me or in the 1st clip as it passes behind the roo, it looks to clip out of the frame, like it's been super imposed onto the video? Use settings to clow down the video to x0.25 and watch the head disappear before the clip cuts away
I witnessed a quoll attack a possum at Jenolan caves carpark. Was amazing how fast everything was happening...I think the possum got away after the second time they both fell from a height. the speed of the quoll was amazing. I associate sluggishness with marsupials for some reason and was totally wrong. If there's a parallel in ability and punching above weight, the kangaroos probably should be wary.
I first saw your other video and was quite impressed, when it zoomed in I could clearly see the animal had an injured leg which immediately made me more skeptic. The fact that on this video you make clear that's somethinhg many other people noticed made me even more concerned. The fact that you count 1,2,3 each time the animal hops doesn't mean its foot landed, it's very clear at points in the footage that the left leg is carried at an odd angle and not fully stepping down... sort of how a injured fox would. It's also very convenient that it's a small "juvenile" thylacine that just happens to be the size of an adult fox... in an area where you already filmed foxes...
Yea, this is _still_ some of the best would-be-thylacine videos out there, but it's by _no_ means conclussive. We get excelent trap-camera footage and HD cellphone pics
of all sorts of rare animals, up close and in color. Maybe if you continue the good work, we'll someday get something like that, and then it'll be settled.
Did you watch my video on the Thylacine's donger? How do you explain that? Foxes don't have their tackle hanging out the back.
@@ambiguousworld Lemme check, you have plenty of videos, haha. Humn.. yea, the donger thing, I think it's hardly clear. There's a tiny blurry bright spot on the thermal imaging when fully zoomed and fully contrasted, like could be an exposed patch of skin in the upper thigh, from the injury or the famous mange that shows up hotter.
I really don't want to be mean or disrespect or anything, it just seems like you really _want_ to find a Thylacine while on an area that has no recent records of them, where there also seem to be plenty of foxes and dogs and such.
Seems to me that if you really have thylacines in your backyard (hope you do!) and you keep getting what seem to be frequent (distant) recordings of them, it should be too long before you get something _really_ conclusive, right? Maybe you are the guy to do it. Again, maybe its the thermal camera or something , but so far some of the best I've seen.
I think the best capture on this channel is the "Can you Spot the Difference" video. Am I stupid or that does really does look like Tthylacine up close? I'm confused by your "this animal is a Mange Fox" reply to a comment. I guess the tail looks a bit too thin at the base compared to real T. footage. Are both those animals on the video foxes, is that what you are saying?
The donger, it's hardly a tiny bright spot. The animal is pretty well endowed, but if we have to call it mangy to pigeon hole it, that's what we'll do, because that injury is having to do a lot of heavy lifting.
Spot the difference video, both are foxes one has mange. Both male foxes too. You can easily tell a fox, by its long hocks and pointy ears from the top of its head.
@@ambiguousworld Uh, really? they look really different sizes, the shape and form of the head and ears. The height of the heel seems lower too, at least to me. The only thing that seems off on a 10th watch is the tail. Seems a bit too thin at the base. Like it should be thicker like in other marsupials. But who knows, if you took it and say its a fox, maybe I can't tell a fox from a thylacine after all.
It's kind of funny that video has a lot of Thylacine comments mate. It is a fox with a really bad case of mange. Remember that a Thylacine can get mange too, but their tail has short hair, so hair loss doesn't really change the perceived thickness.
I have hundreds of mangy fox videos, with the disease in all its stages. I do this for reference maybe I need to make a video and show it.
Excellent that you have been determined and dedicated. Incredible footage. I cannot imagine why anyone would not want the animal to exist. May your efforts and its continued existence be reported in news headlines across the World. It will certainly counter the sadness of the extinction of the white rhino earlier this year. ❤
Instead of trying to plug dodgy videos of a Fake Thylacine which is extinct, maybe you could come up with some strategy to save all your other wildlife species that are all in rapid decline ,your Koala Bear for instance is in danger of extinction while you sit there pretending to be an expert on wildlife you beer guzzling useless loafer?
I'm no expert but I think the Thylacines ankles are usually a lot lower to the ground then a fox or most animals, so I guess that's something to look for. Also mange is one of the main reasons we NEED thylacines. From what I heard they can help control the population of the other animals, or they scavenge carcasses (maybe) and help decrease the spread of mange.
They can get mange too tho
Some says its a Quoll.
Compare the 2. How big are adult Quolls to a Thylacine?
Whatever it is, 100% it's definitely NOT a fox. The larger kangaroos wouldn't be bothered hoping away from a fox, mangy or not, unless they had a very small joey outside of the pouch which there obviously isn't. It's possible it's a mangy feral dog, but they tend to travel in a group and the low hock tends to tell a totally different story. So in my opinion, it could be either. Great find AW.
I'm so glad you did this! I really do think you have some of the most compelling footage in the 2000's+. Can I ask your thoughts on the 1973 footage from South Australia? Does the footage match your experience with how they look/move, or do you think it might have been a dog/something else?
Something that bothers me about most modern footage is that even if it is a thylacine, you could easily (mis?)identify it as a fox since their ears, hocks, and other identifiers don't always show up clearly. I'm from the US, so I have never seen something that could be a thylacine, but I see foxes on video and in person all the time, and it seems to me a lot of the behaviors people attribute to thylacines (like the hopping motion) are actually quite common in foxes. It makes it so hard to be sure unless we get a very clear image.
I have spoken with Liz Doyle, and she said there were stripes on the animal. That's good enough for me, as it runs and looks like a Thylacine.
At the end of the day, your eyes are better than any 1970s camera.
Once you see this animal, you never forget.
Great comment, by the way. 👍
Very interesting. I would like to hear what Nathan from Edge of the Outback has to say. He would know if it is a fox or not.
Looks good to me. I wonder how many need to exist for a healthy , thriving population.
I am kind of 65% yes, 35% no. I just don't think a thermal image at that distance will ever be definitive for me. I appreciate you sharing this with us. I do believe they aren't extinct. Keep up the good work!
1:58 understanding the anatomy of an animal, especially of one that is more than likely extinct, is quintessential sure, but in this circumstance you kinda have to take into account that the full view of the legs is being obscured by the landscape/grass…
Absolutely @BambiniArtini I 100% agree. where I drew the lines on rear legs is probably the only time we get to see them. 8 or 9 frames. The measurements are still ball park numbers, and there will be an obvious error proportion. However, the difference in rear leg proportions of the fox and Thylacine is quite large. So you can start to rule one out over the other. Measuring this is at least better than visually guessing. I'm biased as I've seen these animals, so measuring the anatomy helps me avoid my bias and be more logical. Lots of people state (not just video) that the hocks are low, the hocks are high. When I measure them and get a ball park number, it's quite often completely opposite to what they state.
The rest of the footage is, as you say, always obscured by the grass.
Looks like you need to do more surveillance of that area!
Yes this looks to be real to me, if it’s not an edited video I’d say this is solid proof to begin looking on the area and get a photo or something super concrete and then start immediate conservation
Keep up the good work. There’s always doubters.
The ears may be too pointd.
But it is worth further investigation.
I witnesses one crossing the highway at around 9pm one nigh at Mt Eliza on the Mornington Peninsula about 25 years ago.
I find it strange that a predator runs through a mob of kangaroos and they don't even react to it
Have you came across the Black panthers yet?or the Dooligars ?
lots have.....
Geologist friends have talked to me about their experiences with Dooligars in South Australia. I find it fascinating and could listen to them all day.
Some stories I could pass on (right, good yarn). As someone who works in industry I'm horrified to hear what we've done to some of the Aboriginal history. Either destroyed or not allowed to be spoken about. I understand that Australia/World needs resources but we have so much here that there is enough room to leave these sacred places. The BHP scandle in 2020? in the Pilbara was eye-opener to what could have occurred in previous decades. Cameron Thylacine Alcoa is another good investigation that I have done, you should too.
Don't want to sound too hypercritical as I'm in industry too, but I've had to stand up for the sake of animals and environment (not cultural heritage so far, but I would). Profit should not come before them.
GOODNESS ME? There are some very spiteful and blinkered people . There is so much to be gleaned from all your initial night vision drone flight efforts up till now and what it shows is nocturnally, this my be the way to finally resolve the existence of this Animal. yes … keep going as Tin Man says. Its not a fox. Its not a Quoll as front legs to long, and its not a dog. Why Not a dog. This animals gate is not a trot?
My parents dog was born with a bad leg from birth and it walks like that. No pain, but obvious when watching walk or run. It could happen to a fox as well
I am just curious, is this animal's body elongation (I am referring to the length of its torso) more on par with that of a fox or a thylacine? I've always believed, and I may be wrong, that Thylacines had a more elongated torso compared to a fox?
You are correct the length of the torso is elongated in a Thylacine, compared to a fox. From speaking with people in Gippsland that knew these animals well they seem to grow *up* the way first, then grow *elongated* in their later stages of growth. I'm not sure if this is reported in the literature but from track lines (paw prints) this does seem to be the case. I haven't done any more measurements on this particular aspect after measuring the hocks which matched a Tasmanian tiger. And I'm not going to either, as a few people have now put some of the footage through filters (what's up on TH-cam is just raw) and they are saying that they're pulling up stripes on the rump. I haven't done any of this with the raw footage as I don't know how (all I use is lightworks for the videos and canva for the thumbnails) so I'm going to be concentrating on that aspect (getting someone that knows what they are doing).
Thanks for the great question and welcome to the channel.
@@ambiguousworld thanks for the explanation mate. There are a few images on the net showing Thylacine joeys with similar elongation at what seems to be early in their development. I am still 100% convinced the animal you captured in your night drone footage a few yrs back was the real deal. I still can't get over what you captured on film that night and the way it bounded and ran all over the place before getting away! That's where I'd be using your new gear if I were you mate :) Keep up the great work mate!
@@Huck19Bella Interesting, You'll have to email me some images of the Tasmanian Tigers - are they taxidermy ones? I was down in that area (3hr drive) , the week before heading back to work to use the Thermal scope as a spotter (and test the spydabot) got some absolutely great footage filming the otherside of the valley. Mostly foxes, but there was a few animals of interest later before I had to head home. They were quadrupeds but at ~1km I couldn't ID them. They were annoying the Kangaroos. I don't spend as much time there as I would like, the farmer has asked me to come and film his Thylacines and Devils, but I need a week to do this so haven't done it yet. And also I have Thylacines in my home patch walking distance, and for my family it's best I concentrate closer to home.
Well i for 1 thought it was a fox, still do, but i wouldnt hit dislike as i appreciate what your doing and like the content you put on, at this stage until you can capture an image in daytime or trap one humanely and show us proof we can all have our own opinion, after all we were shown the head of a tabby cat and are meant to believe that. Lol good luck in your search, im not here to disprove anybody wrong but just say what i made of the video myself, i really hope your successful in bringing this animal to us in real life again.
Seems like the real deal to me.
You should compare that little hoping gait to foxes, dingos, and Tasmanian Devils.. your footage has a similar gait to Devils i reckon.
I’m not sure. But I think it may be. Keep going.👍🙏👏👏
Hi ambiguous world, could you show a picture of the camera with the footage to prove that it is not fake? (if it was taken with a camera not a cellphone)
Here is my first video of me with the camera / scope. th-cam.com/video/oDGQJ1qz9lo/w-d-xo.html Will upload the full 9hrs - I just can't do that at the moment as I'm at work for the next 2weeks and the internet just isn't good enough. I took nearly 12hrs you put all the files into lightworks to just make the video. Just have to bear with me, all the meta data etc is there (I had to google how to find that).
Great work - let the sheep keep on doubting!
I so want this to be true. Keep on going 👍👍
Why do some contest this so strongly? They must have careers pinned on the extinction of the animal and finding it still alive will prove their doctoral theses wrong or soemthing. They attack you because they can't attack the evidence.
@fatmanfaffing4116 for sure! Average people's are not that ignorant and stupid! 🙄
Reguardless of the hopping , the face looks marsupial and the tail is realy long
Sure looks like a Thylacine to me!
But the tail has a kink and whips at one point, undulating from the top along the length, which simply can't happen with a thylacine. Ears seem a bit large also. I'm a true believer in the thylacine excising, just not convinced by this particular footage.
Looks inconclusive to me. It doesn’t look like a fox with mange though
I put my foot down when limping…..but I avoid normal weight bearing. So what you saying? Less injured than other fox footage. Why not show a picture of a fox, same as the pic of the thylacine?
Humans usually find it hard walking on one leg, that's you have to put your injured foot down. A quadruped has 4 legs, so can hold one off the ground to help it recover if can. 😉
@@ambiguousworld 'Can' use 3 legs.....but habit says put it down.....even if just through habit.
Forrest Galante, have you given/sent the footage to him yet?
I study movements as I am an animator. Watching a couple of times it moves like a small Thylacine to me, I did pay attencion to the proportion of the body, legs, head, ears and tail. For me it moves like a small thylacine or might be a fox with an injured leg? If that is a mangy fox or other animal it definetely got me wrong..
You've been around the channel a long time, always call a spade a spade. Good on ya. 👍 The roos are around ~50m away - the tree line is 150m (middle of the camera).
I thought it was a baby kangaroo first view, next, on hearing and understanding fully the clip, isn’t it too small for a thylacine?
It’s a young one
I hope this isn’t fake because it looks really good. I look forward to much more.
Based on the guy's previous work, the video is not fake!
There is a distinct weight difference between the red fox and thylacine and a slight length difference among other differences. Maybe this is just a stupid idea ,but get a cut out about the same size as the biggest roo then a cut out about the size of an adult red fox and the one of a thylacine take the out to the clearing set them up and your camera and the same distances or even varying distances take film or pictures and see how the cutouts measure up to one another. Another thing to possibly try and collect is prints there are very distinct differences between fox and thylacine.i dont know im often told i over complicate simple things but if i was trying to prove or disprove somethings existence or lack there of id get every little bit of evidence i could from size scaling to tracks even scat im fairly sure that there will be a difference in scat between a fox and a thylacine including dna which if it were me id photograph and video the collection of the tracks and scat and such and then photograph and video the entire process of dividing and packaging then have multiple different groups check the dna of the scat samples not only will you then have a dietary profile of the animal you will have its dna profile and if it doesn't match fox or dingo or canine well then its clearly something else
Haven't you seen the prints and tracklines on his channel???
It’s a fox sorry man
If you've ever seen wild or domestic foxes move In person, they move nothing like that.
Look at the tail. I've never seen a dog tail that long and thick
Well now that you know to be in the general vicinity of were at least one of them is you will be sure to see him again maybe more
At around the 5:22 mark I thought I was hearing a Mopoke Owl which are common here in Australia, but the more I listened to it the more it sounds like a dog barking. The Roos seem to hear it and take notice as well.
Something does set the dogs off in the distance (agree I do here dogs) @TheJacksonFour could be a Mopoke I could pick out a set of 3 or 4 smaller barks.
Exciting if correct.
You did it bro wow unbelievable the first ever captured on video in modern day I’m so excited cheers mate
My only argument is it looks pretty small... Thylacines and dingos are relatively comparable in size from my understanding
Apparently, mainland thylacines are smaller, compared to the ones in Tasmanian.
I know there have been cases where an animal has been pronounced extinct, only to be found living in isolated pockets. Could well be a tiger. I hope so!!