@@shanecanada5248 This is all-time. When has fudge ever been top 2? Wunder 2018 and early 2019 was top 2 during the era of Theshy's peak. Same for AD, when has hans/upset ever been best AD in the world. Perkz/Rekkles both had a year where they were the best. Jng is less egregious but same argument applies for jankos.
Yeah sometimes his biases show a little too much here lol. I think Fudge is great at playing weakside though, someone like Bwipo or Wunder aren't as good of weakside players as Fudge was in his prime of half a season lol
@@jw550w0r9pw not in 2019. Neither Broxah nor Bwipo nor Alphari or Blaber compared at that point to the ridiculous things they did. In 2020 sure, there but rather for Perkz (personal crisis in summer and Jankos (Selfmade). It’s hard to argue against success, and even then team dynamic is a thing for which I’ll take Jankos Perkz all day over , what do I know Upset/Rekkles Selfmade, but maybe that’s just hindsight bias. Though to be fair I do wonder if Bwipo with Caps-Jankos would have dominated much more compared to how he got smacked around by G2 and Internationals for his own faults but also just better teams beyond top lane. But we’ll never know, and therefore Wunder>>>Bwipo in 2019/20 :)
Fudge is complete dogshit, as a c9 fan since 2013 he’s the single reason I’ve lost faith in c9, all he does is hangout with egirls and eat kbbq in LA.. bro has 0 dedication and 0 ambitions to compete with the eastern tops…
@@AssortedFacts people really acting like 2021 was the only year he played league and he wasnt even the problem that roster failed lol. rekkles his entire career has been the most consistent always top 2 adc in west all time
@@CloudXIl All I'm saying is he didn't need to be so biased about it? any rational person knows that Fudge and Nemesis are not anywhere close to BB or Wunder top, hell Nemesis never touched top so I think bro is a little drunk here.
@@nowanknows8979 What do you mean? I stopped watching LS for like a year or two but I didn't know he's on bad terms with Nemesis, what happened between them?
@@claysmith8840 impact you can argue because impact is just a rock in toplane, hes very solid buts theres only a few time when hes actually carrying. Id also draw the line at photon. Ill put fudge top 3/4. And nemesis isnt an ADC, wym by that
Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Perkz, Mikyx-this roster defines excellence. Why? We’ve all seen these players perform at the highest level, not just matching but outclassing their opponents to claim the title. In my opinion, this is the best Western roster ever assembled. Perkz, in particular, deserves special recognition. His versatility, being able to dominate as both a marksman and mid-laner, sets him apart. One memorable moment that stands out is his incredible Xayah play near Baron, where he turned the tides with flawless execution. G2’s synergy and individual talent are undeniable, and that’s what made them MSI champions.
@@grrumakemeangry you know what you’re right I completely forgot about that team. Although they did not even come close to winning MSI. I still think G2 roster is the best shot the west has ever had.
The closer the friend, the “better” they are. He unironically believes “peak” fudge is better than BrokenBlade, Wunder, Bwipo, Impact(if you consider him western) when all of their peaks/current form are infinitely better
Mannnnnn people truly forget the fudge trajectory this is not complete LS glaze, like yes for it to be the first name that pops is a bit glaze but like fudge in that quarter finals run is was COOKING and actually laning humanly and competitively not losing softly like most western tops. Like the correct answer is still Wunder but if we’re really zooming into peak international performance fudge is a valid option.
As a Rogue fan (yeah we existed), i think Rekkles-Hyli 2020 is the best EU botlane of all time, the rest u do whatever u want (welp, its prolly g2 2019 topside tho)
@@AbominationalFailureCRACKS UNDER PRESSURE? Bro he’s been like 9 times at worlds and he made far runs like most of them and even got to worlds finals, plus he won multiple eu lcs titles and mvps I don’t really think pressure is his problem. I can agree if u say outside of 2014-15 and 2017-2020 he wasn’t the western adc goat but you can’t deny the man that won so many times in high stakes games
is this any player that played in the west? also at their peak in the west or just in general. if we are talking in general maybe impact, caps, bang, corejj, pyosik if in the west then i think either wunder, caps, jankos, hans sama, mikyx or alphari, caps, jankos, rekkles, hyli
So if we were totally objective and we are talking about peak performance, it's probably (with honorary mentions) Wunder (sOAZ) Jankos (Inspired) Caps (Bjergsen, Perkz) Doublelift (Rekkles, Upset) Mikyx (Hylissang) And now you can see how Fnatic and G2 got so close to winning a Worlds title in 2018 and 2019. Also, if anyone would doubt Doublelift as the best ever western ADC, he could have played in EU or even Chinese teams at one point in hus career.
Caps - Inspired - Perkz - FORG1VEN - Mikyx if it HAS to be a main top, honest to god? Dyrus. if the guy had been born 5 years later, he'd be the goat of NA top
All time peak and chose Fugde over 2019 Wunder (literally was said to be 2nd best in the world that year) All time peak: Wunder (2019) Razork (2023) Caps (2020) Rekkles (2018) Mikyx (2023) One idea.
I’d do BB top, Inspired Jg, Perkz Mid, DL AD, Core Supp. Prime + these Aura. Great mix of winner mental, hands, and sit back and farm. Inspire, DL, Core can all play passive when they want. BB Perkz pop off when they need. DL carry team fights. Ggs. No memes holding back that squad. I’d take Jankos over inspired if Jankos could just farm but i think with Jankos it’s just too much ideas. Even w inspire too much ideas but he can just farm at times, same with dl and core.
I think you're right. Many people overlook broxah, but the year fnc made it to the finals, he had at least two games that he absolutely took over. One of them particularly with Lee Sin was a master piece.
Not counting Rekkles is criminal honestly, so many worlds appearances, a worlds final, many pro play pentas, consistent in eu all the time, sorry but I call bs on this list.
Could also have caps + nemesis flex play mid and sup depending on champs and draft, and have mikyx as 6th man sub in case you specifically wanna play enchanters or some special sup champ he’d be good on
Wunder/Huni, Jankos/Reignover, Perkz/Caps, Niels (Zven)/Rekkles, Mithy/Mykix. I would do tryouts between that people and their sinergies, FNC top jungler sinergy and Origen botlane peak performance even vs T1 prime, Broxah and Nemesis I think are top tier also but feeling the players above were more mature and have better macro, Perkz on prime macro knowledge and decision maker was huge, they said Perkz was the one doing the calls while having huge level on mid, Capz probably better micro, but Perkz won him by far on macro and mature
if you ignore personality conflicts but do care about having a functional team stylistically: peak odoamne peak inspired peak caps peak forgiven peak mikyx odo plays weakside every game, play thru ur insane botlane 2v2 with inspired perma pressuring enemy bot jg quadrant, caps does caps things midgame, move forgiven to mid and have mikyx and inspired duo roam the map, either covering caps in sidelane or forgiven to greed for extra waves mid, odo perma plays the weaker side of the map and tries to minimize losses there while being a tanky frontliner for your S tier carry duo coaches: dylan falco
Bro thinks peak performance is getting titles. Inspired is over jankos anu time if you comsoder individual skill, all of jankos top performances were in stacked teams in G2. He is still an extremely talented player but not better than inspired. Rekkles i wont even say anything hans and upset and even perkz on adc were all better players. Same for dl, was good in NA and never achieved anything internationally.
@@DigbigbombigHow are you going to berate the dude for valuing achievements when assessing player skill and then say that DL is bad because he isn't accomplished internationally?
@@Digbigbombig saying upset is better than rekless when rekless is one of the most decorated and the only internationally competetive western adc is crazy work. Upset has not achieved anything in his career and no amount of cope that he always had bad teams can justify that. Same goes for Jankos vs inspired. Individual skill does not mean you win tournaments. Knowing how to enable and play around your team, shotcalling, etc. Thats what wins games. There is no argument that Jankos is the best jungler the west has ever had.
@@Odachi7 but for a best team you also have to consider team comp. if we are taking rekkles then we cant have wunder and have a weak side bot and weak side top
Ehhhhh i would go.... Top: Wunder or Huni Jungle: Inspired or Jankos Mid: Caps ADC: Hans or Doublelift Supp: Mikyx The Nemesis is really good thing from LS is crazy to me. Calm down on that. Here is a name i miss Danny was really good for EG I feel he might have won a lot if not for him getting mistreated and rage quitting the scene altogether. Hylissang was consistent but wildcardy. I felt Kaiser had better highs to this day Kaiser on Alistar with Mad Lions and Carzzy i thought his performance a couple years back was on Korean supp level. He just died off so fast. Happens a lot to these players. Honorable mention is Perkz!
Bruh, what? can we stop pretending that a player who has not played in pro-play for 4 years is top 10 in the west? like join a middle of the pack team and prove it then.
You would definitely have to think about players at their peak in their time. Not how that player, in that form, would do in League now. And then you should consider players like Jankos, Xpeke, Soaz, Niels, Yellowstar, Perkz, Wunder, Rekkles, Huni, Alexich Diamondprox... This list seemed narrow with bias on recent times.
Top bwipo/soaz Jgl: jankos no debate Mid: caps no debate too Adc: Hans or upset? Nah rekkles by far at his peak Supp: 3 names mikyx hylissang or yellowstar. What a joke for real
@@rurulp8465 So was he world class or not? If that's your argument, then literally every player, Eastern included, are frauds. Just bcuz someone has wide champ pool/champ ocean, doesn't mean they don't have preferred champs/metas they are best at. He was just objectively the best in world 2019.
I think Fudge is very overrated, But if it was up to me it'd be : peak Soaz / Inspired / Caps / peak Upset/ Mikyx and remember this is the all time greatest team.
Wunder in 2019 win or go even against lck best top, every time I see fudge at international tournament he is gapped. Nemesis would be fine but he never plays top, how you could know how it went
@@PROTOTYPZ Australia is essentially western every way but geographically, plus they have no other good players, impact literally won a world championship in Korea
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 okay than he wouldnt mention nemesis lol. Which is in central Europe. Not to mention he says caps who was born in Denmark like Wunder. You know how long ago Impact won that world champ?!? Not to mention look who he was teaming with when he won that world championship. He's also been in NA ever since, which at this point is just a retirement region with no one good coming out of it. Impact is not bad but definitely not the best western top laner.
Does fudge count because he is import kinda? What about Uma jan? Hans feels prob better for longer but perkz seemed pretty uncontested. Who would be staff also?
@@jmj7543 Hyli is even worse my opinion is that there are no good supports in the west and that Mikyx was the best one by default and not because he's actually good
@@Kynoxz but if we are considering an all time list then we should think of players in their prime right. i think hyli was definitely the best if we are talking about player performance while they are in the west. if we are talking in general then maybe its someone like corejj or swordart
I laughed so hard at Hans he is the most boosted ADC to play on a top tier team. Mikyx definitely goated western support forsure and Upset is also crazy good but it was never Hans not ever.
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 they were in EU team and i dont see the title being european players only ? its best western worlds team... if they were in EU team i say they count
Never ask ls about players, he will just say his friends are top tier XD
I mean they all make sense except top, but tbf what world class top do we even have?
@@shanecanada5248 This is all-time. When has fudge ever been top 2? Wunder 2018 and early 2019 was top 2 during the era of Theshy's peak. Same for AD, when has hans/upset ever been best AD in the world. Perkz/Rekkles both had a year where they were the best. Jng is less egregious but same argument applies for jankos.
BrokenBlade Inspired Caps Upset Mikyx
@@shanecanada5248 Upset Nemesis both are not even top 5 all time xD
Nemesis and ls are not even friends but yeah keep yapping
I laughed so hard when he said Fudge top thanks for the content LS 😂
Yeah sometimes his biases show a little too much here lol. I think Fudge is great at playing weakside though, someone like Bwipo or Wunder aren't as good of weakside players as Fudge was in his prime of half a season lol
It's his opinion. There's really no objective truth here.
Bro never saw 2021 fudge
@@lerolero7417 bro never saw 2021 fudge
@@ollie377 he said "peak". Are we gonna ignore that?
you can just do 2019 g2 simple
This.
Wunder and Jankos usually had someone from other teams who people thought they were better on their role
You'd just do 2019 G2 with maybe an upgrade on ADC yes
@@jw550w0r9pw not in 2019. Neither Broxah nor Bwipo nor Alphari or Blaber compared at that point to the ridiculous things they did. In 2020 sure, there but rather for Perkz (personal crisis in summer and Jankos (Selfmade). It’s hard to argue against success, and even then team dynamic is a thing for which I’ll take Jankos Perkz all day over , what do I know Upset/Rekkles Selfmade, but maybe that’s just hindsight bias. Though to be fair I do wonder if Bwipo with Caps-Jankos would have dominated much more compared to how he got smacked around by G2 and Internationals for his own faults but also just better teams beyond top lane. But we’ll never know, and therefore Wunder>>>Bwipo in 2019/20 :)
@@Jace9IXSure perkz wasnt smurfing trust
no world where you'd ever take fudge over peak BB or Wunder
I like Fudge but honestly don't think peak Fudge is close to the skills of Bwipo / Wunder.
Wunder is super average idk
Bwipo 😂
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Fudge is complete dogshit, as a c9 fan since 2013 he’s the single reason I’ve lost faith in c9, all he does is hangout with egirls and eat kbbq in LA.. bro has 0 dedication and 0 ambitions to compete with the eastern tops…
@@lolaandjoe123did you not watch before 2020? Ye he's washed now but he was legit best top laner in the world in 2019
how did prime rekkles not even get mentioned?
Can’t win worlds with a KDA player
@@AssortedFacts people really acting like 2021 was the only year he played league and he wasnt even the problem that roster failed lol. rekkles his entire career has been the most consistent always top 2 adc in west all time
I agree same with Perkz and have the players swap champions between each other.
@@AssortedFacts Rekkles was legit fantastic for many years. Serious revisionist history going on about his career.
Hans Sam’s can’t carry a game at worlds ever lol😊
Bro misunderstood the question, it wasn't "which western friends of yours are the greatest" LMAO 😂😂
I think it's the other way around, he's friends with them because he's the best (also him and neme aren't on speaking terms)
It’s a question forwarded to him, not to you. So keep your opinions to yourself if nobody asked you
@@CloudXIl All I'm saying is he didn't need to be so biased about it? any rational person knows that Fudge and Nemesis are not anywhere close to BB or Wunder top, hell Nemesis never touched top so I think bro is a little drunk here.
@@nowanknows8979 What do you mean? I stopped watching LS for like a year or two but I didn't know he's on bad terms with Nemesis, what happened between them?
@@kenshi7563 it's a long story but they fell out and had a fight. They still speak highly of each other but they don't talk anymore
If we are talking about peak relative to others it has to be season 2 Diamondprox in the jungle
Goated comment
This!
Facts
Only valid comment in the entire section
Udyr Shyv every game
Peak Inspired > Peak Jankos? Nice one 😂
Jankos sucks lmao
@@breese2825ur delusional. He carried 2019 G2
@@kevinsyz1201 he got gapped by bwipo jungle …..
@@breese2825 Im pretty sure I said 2019, not 2021. Read buddy.
@@kevinsyz1201 just bringing up an example of something that should never happen to a professional player in there main role
The fudge and nemesis glazing stays so real
Nemesis is reall good imo, but he said top lane lol, and while fudge is good, probably a top 3 western top atm, theres just better choices
@@IlIllIIIlllhe’s not better than brokenblade, bwipo, or impact rn, or maybe ever. Even photon would make more sense
And nemesis as the best adc in the west is crazy when you have peak form doublelift or berserker to choose from
@@claysmith8840 impact you can argue because impact is just a rock in toplane, hes very solid buts theres only a few time when hes actually carrying. Id also draw the line at photon. Ill put fudge top 3/4. And nemesis isnt an ADC, wym by that
@@claysmith8840 how do you take berserker on a full western team?
2019 g2 with prime rekkles is the best western team
They tried that literally a year later 😂
@@Tofh40 I'd take 2018 Rekkles over 2021 G2 Rekkles
Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Perkz, Mikyx-this roster defines excellence.
Why? We’ve all seen these players perform at the highest level, not just matching but outclassing their opponents to claim the title. In my opinion, this is the best Western roster ever assembled. Perkz, in particular, deserves special recognition. His versatility, being able to dominate as both a marksman and mid-laner, sets him apart. One memorable moment that stands out is his incredible Xayah play near Baron, where he turned the tides with flawless execution. G2’s synergy and individual talent are undeniable, and that’s what made them MSI champions.
Perkz adc you boosted
@@Obiwankenobi-w5q thats why they won MSI
@@karmatsering9055 yea you right Perkz adc is why they won lol 🤡🤡
Wunder is worthless garbage. So ridiculous
Wunder is legit the best Western top laner ever. Tf is this guy yapping
Also perkz on adc was literally outclassing upset, hans etc. Like bruh
Easy G2 Roster that won MSI and went to Worlds Grand Finals. Closest the west has ever been. Wish that roster would have stuck together longer.
2018 fnc was also just as close lol
@@grrumakemeangry you know what you’re right I completely forgot about that team. Although they did not even come close to winning MSI. I still think G2 roster is the best shot the west has ever had.
Why is this guy so obsessed with fudge??
cause they're friends
cause Fudge is his friend
The closer the friend, the “better” they are. He unironically believes “peak” fudge is better than BrokenBlade, Wunder, Bwipo, Impact(if you consider him western) when all of their peaks/current form are infinitely better
Mannnnnn people truly forget the fudge trajectory this is not complete LS glaze, like yes for it to be the first name that pops is a bit glaze but like fudge in that quarter finals run is was COOKING and actually laning humanly and competitively not losing softly like most western tops. Like the correct answer is still Wunder but if we’re really zooming into peak international performance fudge is a valid option.
idk, fudge is not that good tbh. Same with upset, not even close to the best eu adc
Hans over prime Forgiven has to be a giga bait
Agreed. Most ADC in prime were better than Hans
Forgiven would ruin the team dynamic by being toxic and selfish af
I think that Fudge for all time top laner (Wunder 2018-2020 says hi) is wild but the rest of the roster seems legit.
No way nemesis hans upset lmao...
As a Rogue fan (yeah we existed), i think Rekkles-Hyli 2020 is the best EU botlane of all time, the rest u do whatever u want (welp, its prolly g2 2019 topside tho)
Rekkless as adc for me. He does have the most penta kills in pro league
He was a tad bit of a kda player but yes, either him, forgiven or perkz
@@CometZz-os6gl Yes, forgiven is overlooked. Had some issues with teamplay, but absolutely amazing.
The problem with Rekkless is that he cracks under pressure. If he could figure that aspect of his game out I agree.
@@AbominationalFailureCRACKS UNDER PRESSURE? Bro he’s been like 9 times at worlds and he made far runs like most of them and even got to worlds finals, plus he won multiple eu lcs titles and mvps I don’t really think pressure is his problem. I can agree if u say outside of 2014-15 and 2017-2020 he wasn’t the western adc goat but you can’t deny the man that won so many times in high stakes games
Did people forget that perkz gapped everyone on xayah and kaisa in 2019?
That was 5 years ago, we're in 2024 now
@@OANTHERAPPER all time greatest western team, hello? u just dont understand english?
@@duarteborges9032 i agree, either perkz, forgiven or rekkles
@@OANTHERAPPER Kaisa is still meta tho
is this any player that played in the west? also at their peak in the west or just in general. if we are talking in general maybe impact, caps, bang, corejj, pyosik
if in the west then i think either wunder, caps, jankos, hans sama, mikyx or alphari, caps, jankos, rekkles, hyli
Saying fudge is insane I’ve watched that guy fumble for 5 years
I mean, it's clearly a skit if Nemesis is being considered
Forgiven is getting completely forgotten, that makes me sad
Right? Most dominant western adc peak at Worlds I can remember as well. Maybe Perkz comes second?
Most others have just been kinda mid at best
how is hans even in the conversation
completely chokes at world
Many teams would be happy to enter Worlds with HansSama carry xd.
Yeah, fudge all time best western top. I get that he likes him but ffs he is not even top20 XD
So if we were totally objective and we are talking about peak performance, it's probably (with honorary mentions)
Wunder (sOAZ)
Jankos (Inspired)
Caps (Bjergsen, Perkz)
Doublelift (Rekkles, Upset)
Mikyx (Hylissang)
And now you can see how Fnatic and G2 got so close to winning a Worlds title in 2018 and 2019.
Also, if anyone would doubt Doublelift as the best ever western ADC, he could have played in EU or even Chinese teams at one point in hus career.
Fudge 😹
Peak Line-Up:
Top: Huni or Impact
Jungle: Inspired or Jankos
Mid: Caps or Perkz
ADC: Rekkles or Hans Sama
Support: Mikyx or CoreJJ
Not peak Rekkels ?
I’m from NA so I’d love to say DL or even pre-injury Hai deserve consideration. But really, why is Perkz not in? Its Perkz.
😂😂😂
Caps - Inspired - Perkz - FORG1VEN - Mikyx
if it HAS to be a main top, honest to god? Dyrus. if the guy had been born 5 years later, he'd be the goat of NA top
Looool NA fans really just don’t understand the levels to this.
@@samwilliams0901 Loooool smug assholes always find their way to comment sections 😙
Not considering Jankos should be a crime
All time peak and chose Fugde over 2019 Wunder (literally was said to be 2nd best in the world that year)
All time peak:
Wunder (2019)
Razork (2023)
Caps (2020)
Rekkles (2018)
Mikyx (2023)
One idea.
I was G2 when Perks and Caps were together.
I’d do BB top, Inspired Jg, Perkz Mid, DL AD, Core Supp. Prime + these Aura. Great mix of winner mental, hands, and sit back and farm. Inspire, DL, Core can all play passive when they want. BB Perkz pop off when they need. DL carry team fights. Ggs. No memes holding back that squad. I’d take Jankos over inspired if Jankos could just farm but i think with Jankos it’s just too much ideas. Even w inspire too much ideas but he can just farm at times, same with dl and core.
If we could somehow get Perkz at adc again it would be crazy just because the lane swaps make it so difficult to draft against
No prime Rekkles 😭
Same issue with nemesis. They're both really good, but require the team to play around their herbivore playstyle
@@Saintzelupset hasn’t done shit his entire career lmao
KDA player, need a real ADC to win worlds
@@AssortedFacts but he's so hot
Inspired could jungle anywhere, LCK, LPL. he is absolutely good enough.
Bro said Fudge 😂😂😂
Anyone but caps in mid is absolute robbery
No way wunder at his peak is worse than fudge or nemisis in toplane
Same for inspired over peak jankos or broxah like are you mental lmao
I think you're right. Many people overlook broxah, but the year fnc made it to the finals, he had at least two games that he absolutely took over. One of them particularly with Lee Sin was a master piece.
Fnatic Huni / Fnatic Bwipo.
Rogue Inspired.
G2 Caps.
Fnc Rekkles (1st time lol)
T1 CoreJJ /UOL Hylli.
2nd choices for native western roster.
Not counting Rekkles is criminal honestly, so many worlds appearances, a worlds final, many pro play pentas, consistent in eu all the time, sorry but I call bs on this list.
Could also have caps + nemesis flex play mid and sup depending on champs and draft, and have mikyx as 6th man sub in case you specifically wanna play enchanters or some special sup champ he’d be good on
Wunder/Huni, Jankos/Reignover, Perkz/Caps, Niels (Zven)/Rekkles, Mithy/Mykix. I would do tryouts between that people and their sinergies, FNC top jungler sinergy and Origen botlane peak performance even vs T1 prime, Broxah and Nemesis I think are top tier also but feeling the players above were more mature and have better macro, Perkz on prime macro knowledge and decision maker was huge, they said Perkz was the one doing the calls while having huge level on mid, Capz probably better micro, but Perkz won him by far on macro and mature
Darien
Diamondprox
Alex Ich
Genja
Edward
pretty easy no? KEKW
Nemesis? Fudge? WOW…how did this man even become a coach?😊
Name a more iconic duo, than LS and glazing
if you ignore personality conflicts but do care about having a functional team stylistically:
peak odoamne
peak inspired
peak caps
peak forgiven
peak mikyx
odo plays weakside every game, play thru ur insane botlane 2v2 with inspired perma pressuring enemy bot jg quadrant, caps does caps things
midgame, move forgiven to mid and have mikyx and inspired duo roam the map, either covering caps in sidelane or forgiven to greed for extra waves mid, odo perma plays the weaker side of the map and tries to minimize losses there while being a tanky frontliner for your S tier carry duo
coaches: dylan falco
If we talk only about peak.
Soaz Wunder BB Impact Alphari
Jankos Selfmade Razork Elyoya
Caps (Humanoid)
Rekless Perkz (Carzyy Hans)
MikyX Mythy Hyli
Vizicsacsi
Jankos
Caps
Rekkles
Hyllisang
Disagree with Rekkles but this is a very solid team. Vizicsacsi my goat fr
We can discuss everything, not Caps and Mikyx. Everything else is debatable, these two aren't.
Not getting into a time machine to get peak bjerg is absolute L from LS.
if it’s truly at peak i’m taking wunder/soaz, jankos, bjergsen/caps, reckless, doublelift, mikyx
Bro thinks peak performance is getting titles. Inspired is over jankos anu time if you comsoder individual skill, all of jankos top performances were in stacked teams in G2. He is still an extremely talented player but not better than inspired.
Rekkles i wont even say anything hans and upset and even perkz on adc were all better players. Same for dl, was good in NA and never achieved anything internationally.
@@DigbigbombigHow are you going to berate the dude for valuing achievements when assessing player skill and then say that DL is bad because he isn't accomplished internationally?
He meant to say perfomed, probably since theyn ever got past quarters (dl didnt).@@Cristian-kg2gp
@@Digbigbombig saying upset is better than rekless when rekless is one of the most decorated and the only internationally competetive western adc is crazy work. Upset has not achieved anything in his career and no amount of cope that he always had bad teams can justify that.
Same goes for Jankos vs inspired. Individual skill does not mean you win tournaments. Knowing how to enable and play around your team, shotcalling, etc. Thats what wins games. There is no argument that Jankos is the best jungler the west has ever had.
@@Odachi7 but for a best team you also have to consider team comp. if we are taking rekkles then we cant have wunder and have a weak side bot and weak side top
Bwipo/Wunder
Inspired/Jankos
Caps
Perkz/Upset
Mikyx
2019 G2 😂. But I agree, quite accurate
LMAO ain't no way my gut said Fudge or Nemesis toplane when you had players like Wunder who were OMEGA levels of good at their peak...come on
I think he only got mid lane right... jungle possibly but it depends on the rest of the team you build.
I think the non-negotiables have to be BB, Inspired, and Caps.
ADC and support, I don't think they have clear options.
Ehhhhh i would go....
Top: Wunder or Huni
Jungle: Inspired or Jankos
Mid: Caps
ADC: Hans or Doublelift
Supp: Mikyx
The Nemesis is really good thing from LS is crazy to me. Calm down on that. Here is a name i miss Danny was really good for EG I feel he might have won a lot if not for him getting mistreated and rage quitting the scene altogether. Hylissang was consistent but wildcardy. I felt Kaiser had better highs to this day Kaiser on Alistar with Mad Lions and Carzzy i thought his performance a couple years back was on Korean supp level. He just died off so fast. Happens a lot to these players. Honorable mention is Perkz!
Bruh, what? can we stop pretending that a player who has not played in pro-play for 4 years is top 10 in the west? like join a middle of the pack team and prove it then.
Perkz was the best adc to ever see the day in EU and he wasn’t even there for long
You would definitely have to think about players at their peak in their time. Not how that player, in that form, would do in League now.
And then you should consider players like Jankos, Xpeke, Soaz, Niels, Yellowstar, Perkz, Wunder, Rekkles, Huni, Alexich Diamondprox... This list seemed narrow with bias on recent times.
Well, this doesn't aged well.
Not putting Balls in top should be a crime.
Did you see what the diamond menace was doing to eastern teams?
Top bwipo/soaz
Jgl: jankos no debate
Mid: caps no debate too
Adc: Hans or upset? Nah rekkles by far at his peak
Supp: 3 names mikyx hylissang or yellowstar.
What a joke for real
2019 perkz adc is arguably one of the best years anyones ever had. His shitty na performance later on doesnt erase that
But was that really him being a world class adc or the meta fitting him well and the team working great together?
@@rurulp8465 So was he world class or not? If that's your argument, then literally every player, Eastern included, are frauds. Just bcuz someone has wide champ pool/champ ocean, doesn't mean they don't have preferred champs/metas they are best at. He was just objectively the best in world 2019.
Guys, its Bwipo, Jankos, Caps, Perkz and Hyllisang. You could sub Perkz for Rekkles if you consider Perkz for mid.
Mikyx there isn't even an inch of a doubt. Hily has never been better than Miky
I think Fudge is very overrated, But if it was up to me it'd be : peak Soaz / Inspired / Caps / peak Upset/ Mikyx
and remember this is the all time greatest team.
Wunder in 2019 win or go even against lck best top, every time I see fudge at international tournament he is gapped. Nemesis would be fine but he never plays top, how you could know how it went
2019 g2 is the only answer
Agreed Won MSI and grand finals at worlds
THEY ARE ALL ALIVE. PLEASE ASSEMBLE THIS TEAM AND RECORD PRIVATE MATCHES AGAINST THE CHAMP TEAM.
I Have Been enjoying Your world's content keep making content this year
On paper it should have been 2021 G2 but we all know what happened there
Man's just naming his friends 😂😂
Huni
Old jankos
Caps
Old rekkles
Miky
Saying fudge is crazy. It makes me doubt your other takes if your bias is so blatant here dude. Old LS would’ve never
Id rather have peak BB, Alphari, Wunder than peak Fudge.
It’s def BB top with prime Jankos first blood king Goat Caps Best western bot duo Rekkles Hyli
Current real world unbiased.
Impact
Inspired
Caps
Hans
Mikyx
I think Top is a toss up, impact is a good stable pick, but I think Wunder is a better option.
I’m pretty sure we’re talking western born here 😂
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 no he clearly says western team, if that was the case than fudge wouldnt even be mentioned
@@PROTOTYPZ Australia is essentially western every way but geographically, plus they have no other good players, impact literally won a world championship in Korea
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 okay than he wouldnt mention nemesis lol. Which is in central Europe. Not to mention he says caps who was born in Denmark like Wunder. You know how long ago Impact won that world champ?!? Not to mention look who he was teaming with when he won that world championship. He's also been in NA ever since, which at this point is just a retirement region with no one good coming out of it. Impact is not bad but definitely not the best western top laner.
Assume everyone here is at their peak:
Darshan
Xmithie
Caps
Danny
Aphromoo
2019 g2 with Emperor as adc (1 of the most underrated adc imo)
This team would legit not even win the LCS, lmfaoooo
That’s team still sounds like a 1-5 at Swiss stage😂😂😂
Off the top of my head I would've gone for Alphari for top lane, would also consider Wunder or Odoamne
Why is he blinking like that? Is he geeked?
Nemesis, Inspired, Caps, Hans, and Miky is a good team.
Whats this nemesis toplane thing he said and you put here? Wasnt he a midlanrr
That team isn't even beating G2 2020 let alone 2019.
@@emanuelelarosa2030average midlander yes
Caps perkz wunder miky and .. oh wait 😂
Does fudge count because he is import kinda? What about Uma jan? Hans feels prob better for longer but perkz seemed pretty uncontested. Who would be staff also?
The fact that Mikyx is considered to be the best western support is really sad 😂
Okay if you obviously think Hyli is top 3 who do you think go before Mikyx in top 3?
miky is currently one of the best supports in the world lol. and was probably the best in 2019 2020.
@@jmj7543 Hyli is even worse my opinion is that there are no good supports in the west and that Mikyx was the best one by default and not because he's actually good
@@Kynoxz wait if hyli, mikyx and probably trynbi too are bad who the fuck you think is good western support?!!? Fucking zven or CoreJJ??????
@@Kynoxz but if we are considering an all time list then we should think of players in their prime right. i think hyli was definitely the best if we are talking about player performance while they are in the west. if we are talking in general then maybe its someone like corejj or swordart
Lowkey I actually thought he said Bwipo top, until I read the comment section.
My mind: Funny way of saying Bwipo.
Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Perkz, Mikyx
Its just 2019 G2 objectively, no?
Literally this. Assuming they're all in peak form this is definitely the best roster.
I laughed so hard at Hans he is the most boosted ADC to play on a top tier team. Mikyx definitely goated western support forsure and Upset is also crazy good but it was never Hans not ever.
TOP:Huni
jungle:Reignover
mid - xpeke
bot - rekkles
supp - yellowstar
Brother even though they played in the west does not make them less Korean
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 they were in EU team and i dont see the title being european players only ? its best western worlds team... if they were in EU team i say they count
Rekkles 😂😂
@@AssortedFacts u clearly havent watched old days of league esports
@@red-k6r watched since season 1, forg1vens peak was 10x the KDA player reckless
It’s just 2019 prime g2 with upset and mayybbeeee inspired
jankos longevity consistency and peak > inspired
Lmfao as soon as he started with Fudge I knew the list was doomed
This is just him glazing people he knows its not even an actual list
Easy, it’s Alphari, Broxah, Caps, Perkz and Mikyx
Inspired in Jungle over peak Jankos ? like WHAT ?
Bwipo jankos caps dl or sneaky (would be Danny If eg wasn’t eg) and sup is pretty interchangeable but prob hili
2 slovenians in top 5 ❤