Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer's Tweets About Gunther vs. Dominik Mysterio & Selling The Hand
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- From Episode 333 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Btw, Dave taking the piss out of Gunther's work but saying nothing about the millions of fake forearms thrown on AEW weekly, is hypocrisy at its finest.
Dave would literally dies if GUNTHER gave him one chop
If many people don't do anything right anyway,
it becomes easier to find something bad in someone
who otherwise does everything right.
The less story their is in a match, the more Dave's butthole twitches like a rabbit's nose.
Anyone who likes watching the Bucks wrestle over Gunther is a fuckin moron. Thats it.
Forearm shots are always horrible.
Dave cares about selling all of a sudden. His favorite matches are full of no selling
Dave watching two wrestlers trade 65 consecutive Canadian destroyers: This is wrestling.
Gunther doesn’t sell a hand and Dave is throwing his TV dinner across the room.
I love that the guy he started arguing with absolutely melted him!
@@neilbiggs1353Meltzer Melter out of nowhere!!
Like King Kong Bundy once said:
"Sure kid. I do alot of work on behalf of the stupid."
The only selling Dave cares about is his observer news letter to aew nerds
I think what ruffled Dave's feathers was someone calling Gunther "best in the world", instead of Willy Ostrich and Kenneth Omega.😄
I still can’t believe he pondered about having separate WON awards for wrestlers other than Billiam Assspray. Genuinely reaching new levels of riding in the past 3 weeks
@@mahakalavanilla6263 source?
And he gave him 2 5 star match. It pissed him even more
No Milli Willie
Will Asstretch?
Melzer's crazed levels of defending AEW has reached new heights in recent weeks. He's a laughing stock.
Hes gnna hold a grudge against wwe forever..Once aew cuts him off he'll be pro Micro Brawlers
He has been a laughing stock of garbage excuses and/or loves everything an EVP does... Either way he is out of touch and hasn't wrote/said any commentary worth Repeating for years...
And it pissed him even more when WWE ignored him and doing great business @rickroberts7611
@@rickroberts7611 He hated WWE long before AEW was a dream in Tony's mind... and somehow he's stayed relevant all of this time, which is very difficult to understand at this point than it ever was...
It's just much easier to see that he shouldn't have stayed relevant for long at all. It's sad that he's been able to make himself fairly rich doing this nonsense.
The aluminum hat was of no use. Bill Gates grabbed
Dave Meltzer's brain and is now using it to play golf on the moon.
Dave is worried about selling a hand injury, but will get a chubby over the no selling of 4 BACK TO BACK CANADIAN DESTROYERS! What in the hell is this guy sniffing?
Some really, really good glue.
Stacks of money from tony "booker of the year" khan.
He's sniffing the elite's farts, apparently.
That was Cassidy and penta
Some crazy yeyo
Completely ludicrous that Dave can happily watch AEW, then moan Gunther wasn't selling his hand.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave was on the payroll.
@@semyaza555or own parts of AEW
Sting can take a bump where glass can go into the crowd and he’s happy. Gunther didn’t sell his hand hitting a hollow post and all of the sudden he’s mad
According to the thumbnail and the topic
Captain Daveman: "Me know where bad guys are hiding. Unga Bunga."
Captain Daaaaaaaaaave-Ma-a-aaaaan!
I think Meltzer actually had his brain removed from his head, not Shibata
All they needed was a pair of tweezers.
Nah, he just donated his credibility to help Shibata recover and never got paid back...
Dave doesn't care about wrestling he just likes seeing the guys in tights 😍
@@neilbiggs1353He's never had credibility
Beyond two faced, coming from the guy who has given the likes of Moxley and his favourite flippy floppy "wrestlers" multiple 5 star matches despite never selling anything. Never bats an eye at their multiple flaws
Moxley in my opinion could never wrestle a 5-start, sue me. I grew up watching ECW mud shows too, so it's not like I don't enjoy bad quality wrestling. I'm just not delusional in saying it's good
@@reginaldcaine6161 So you're not a fan of Temu Sandman then?...
@neilbiggs1353 I'm definitely gonna call him that now. He's such a shameless ripoff and Im embarrassed that I didn't see that
@@reginaldcaine6161 I'd love to see some people sneak in to an AEW event and get that started as a fan chant...
Based on the Moxley matches I've seen lately, I think that giving anything he's in more than 2 stars is a joke. He's absolutely unwatchable, and I legitimately don't understand how what he does appeals to anyone.
Dominik may be the only husband in history who got booed on his wedding day.
Truly the greatest heel of all time.
Which is kind of stupid, because his heat Has become more of a meme than genuine reaction. Then again, i would boo the fuck out of this kid, even throw my shoes at him
Kayfabe is well and alive in 2024
HHH
Uncle Dave gave his wedding the "MOTY" award.
From Corny, to 83 weeks, to the law live audio wrestling, to dutch and so on. I know all these guys keep calling out Dave while you have the other reporters acting like meltzer is relevant. Stop supporting people who support Dave Meltzer!!!!
Once again Meltzer is proving that Bruce Pritchard and Eric Bischoff is right about Dave Meltzer.
Hate Bischoff and Prichard as much as you like, they were in the heat of things in the wrestling business and Dave never was, yet Dave acts like he knows how to run a wrestling company.
@@joemusolf6657 Bischoff has his share of issues but so does Jim but I enjoy both there podcasts.
@@joemusolf6657 I agree. I'm not hating on them
Dave can't even run a spellcheck
you know youre fucked when bruce and eric are right about you
Aew offers Meltzer access and WWE does not....this should explain his actions.
Yep until aew cuts him off lmao..
@rickroberts7611 is happening soon since the Buckaroo renamed their finisher to TK driver because they are upset with WWE winning the major awards
@@marvinleong5902 I noticed that.
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Wrestlers in AEW will literally take three canadian destroyers in a row and pop right back up. Meltzer never calls them out on it. He's a complete clown with no credibility.
This comment and Dave Meltzer are a disservice to clowns.... Clowns > Meltzer
What’s next a wrestler doing a dive off the top of a ladder through glass and chairs? Oh wait Darby Allin did that lately.
@@localclowncrewlegit clowns are respectable in the field of tomfoolery
We LOVE TRAVIS Art Work!
He never misses
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I have to take a good few seconds to laugh at how hilariously spot on he is. There was one, about a year ago, that had Dave wearing this red checkered long sleeve shirt, but it looked like he was ducking from having Jim slap the 💩
out of him. I still crack up every time I see it in my Cornette playlist.
Okada vs Omega 2. omega worked okadas leg for literally 20 minutes and okada was selling it. then out of no where, his leg was fine and wrestled the remaining 40 minutes with perfect legs. 6.25*
I just thought when I first saw this that Meltzer was just pisses that Dominick and Gunther actually had a chop battle that was fun/entertaining/ halfway-believable - something no one in AEW has yet to accomplish
Dave bringing up Gunther's selling on his hand was whataboutism for the criticisms of the lack of selling on the recent Ospreay AEW matches.
Moxley had skewers in his head LMFAOOO
Meltzer discussing the psychology and
selling of Gunther or lack thereof is
hilarious, considering what he calls a 5
star match is usually devoid of any type of selling at all.
Even Caveman Meltzer had his tongue out 😂
Generational talent lol
Well, you know where she was before.
Meltzer is a clown, we all have known that for ages.
As entertaining as John Wayne Gacy.
Still don’t understand how people listen to him,he struggles to speak when you listen to him
5 3/4 stars for Takeshita vs Ospreay, where they no sold moves that would kill people, but this he takes issue with.
Young Bucks literally stereo kicked Moxley with explosive shoes and he was revived back to finish the match
Jim's attention to detail is unbelievable. I watch WWE programming regularly, and I had to double check about the ring post cover and Jim had it down to a tee...
Dave Meltzer, whether you like it or not, has embedded himself in wrestling culture, that's why he feels empowered enough to come out with this absolute horseshit on a regular basis.
David is not "embedded in the culture".
Dave was & is a nobody fiction writer.
@chuckles9767 Moxley’s always got time to bleed.
@@yoholmes273 Whether you like it or not, he is, that's why his ratings and opinions are referenced so often. Not for the best reasons, but they are.
@Paul-xm8vh CMon son...get real with how the world actually works.
Wrestling based content needs to be produced every single.
Every single day these so called pundits & wrestling journalists have to come up with something to talk about.
The real Meltzer gets brought up is jot because he is "in bedded in the wrestling culture".
It is because Dave says the most absurd comments, has a nonsensical ratings system for which he cannot even explain nor quantify, & of course, is now a total paid shipping for the AEW clownshow.
The easiest person to mock thoroughly, as from Tony Khan, is Dave Meltzer.
The "dirt sheets" readers were always a tiny subset minority of the entire wrestling community. Tony Khan being the pure dork nerd goof he is, was one of those in the subset.
Dave is being discussed not because of his relevancy , of which , he has none. Dave is being discussed because he is a joke. A mockery. Low hanging fruit for which to produce content.
Dave is joke. Always has been.
Dave is only "embedded" in the mind of a tiny minority of total goof marks.
Considering he's a 64 year old man that's even worse
If Gunther and Dom were in AEW or NJPW that match would have been 5.5 stars.
Let's be honest, Dave dislikes Gunther because he gets high praise from Jim
But gave him two 5* matches in a years span
Meltzer used to be team Gunther. I think he is bashing Gunther now because Gunther is WWE now.
@@Killswitch-Overdrive.his 5 star matches were in wwe
Tiny brain
@@E-Rad One was in PWG, 3 were in NXT UK. The UK NXT was WWE, but Johnny Saint had pretty much free rein. Meltzer has gone off it and is all in on promoting AEW.
I love hearing Jim rip on Meltzer. The genuine anger coming from Jim towards Dave is really amusing, and rightfully so. Dave is out to lunch.
Oh Meltzer has a problem with no selling now
Will osprey and takeshit did a dozen moves in 2 minutes and sold nothing
Kicked out at 1, he gave it 7 stars
This guy lives in his own reality, which is funded by Tony Con.
And then there's Moxley who no sells everything and bathes in blood cuz it's badasssss
@@naseefzarif1576
Moxley is the absolute worst wrestler out there in any company
Still don't know how he made it in the Shield and became a wwe champion
@@vishalthefirst4140 He connected somewhat with the audience. crap wrestler or not, something much better wrestlers "technically" fail to do.
@SteelSunday I guess it was his lunatic fringe gimmick that got him over
Which was mostly Vince, but now in aew he has all the creative freedom and he can't do jack with it
He was carried by roman and seth big time. Without the shield he would have been a nobody. @vishalthefirst4140
I swear to god I saw the little clip of Meltzer talking about this and I was like are you fucking shitting me? 🤣 after all those moves and no selling he praises, he’s upset about someone not selling their hand from chopping someone else? Wtf lol.
I guess that was all he could find to shit on to make AEDubya seem better. Dave has brain damage.
So, Meltzer no longer likes Gunther because he's WWE entrenched?
Sami Zayn vs Chad Gable was a great example of selling. Sami was limping, did his move, and only won via a roll up.
Ospreay had his leg worked on then just kept doing double stomps and flips
If Gunter did a few flips before he hit the post it would have been fine for Dave
It physically hurts Meltzer that WWE is remotely entertaining right now. Dude is coping hard.
Love this thumbnail! 😂 Jim showing off his wheel invention to a confused Dave while both are about to die from the comet approaching from behind.
Apologies if this has been covered already but the "box" covering the posts are actually very lightweight plastic LED panels. It'll sting a little if you hit it as a shoot but it's not gonna disable you for long.
A couple of guys trading Canadian Destroyers back and forth for a good minute without selling a single one: MOTY, 13 1/2 stars! This fucking guy, I swear...
Broooooo. I went to an AEW combined taping a few months ago.
Every single match featured a person performing a Canadian Destroyer. I counted 4 matches in a row before I stopped caring how bad it was.
Needless to say, my friends & I left early.
13 1/2 stars just because Captain Starvin' Marvin Riho wasn't there. If she was there, it'd be 15 stars!
I remember when the Canadian Destroyer was a legit finish. When I was a kid and saw Petey Williams do it I thought it was cool, but now the moves much like the super kick mean absolutely nothing thanks to the dorks
Plus, flips and dives
To think there was a time when Dave Meltzer’s opinion was taken seriously. Now we know why many big name stars hated him years before his biases became apparent.
Hes the skip bayless of pro wrestling
Dave Meltzer is a man who will happily give a match 5+ stars that goes an hour long with little selling of most things but then when no selling happens in the WWE he gets passive aggressive about it. Truth be told it was arguably one of the best examples of someone taking a beating and both participants made it look amazing.
Will Ospreay can have 5 star matches with anyone yet he never sells a single move. Good old Dave
Well in AEW having a basic understanding of wrestling isn't required. The company is so bad that it turned actual wrestlers like Dustin Rhodes and Billy Gunn into mudshow indie goofs.
DM acts high and mighty, yet he spent years referring to JYD as "Junkfood Dog" in his newsletter. He was a reporter though when JYD died.
Gunther did sell it at first, and Dom exploited it a couple times before the chop fest - which involved Gunther using his forearm more than his hand.
Gunther is absolutely bad ass, one of the best professional wrestlers in the World today. He's convincing, he's believable, he's intimidating and the other company has guys like Moxley and Eddie Kingston who think they're badass but come off as pathetic wannabes.
Totally agree with you, and I'm an Eddie Kingston fan. Or rather... I was a fan of his ROH/CHIKARA and early AEW tenure.
Wow dropped this while im having my coffee...THANKS JIM!
Imagine if Dave cared about this for Bucks matches. "7 star match, they didn't sell shit all match."
The worst thing about Meltzer is he'll block anyone who dares criticize his nonsense, even when it's blatant and obvious nonsense. He feels he's so elite that he's above criticism, because marks make him think he's special...
With him awarding the no-sell match with almost zero story between two stablemates 5.75 stars, Ospreay has now received NINETEEN TIMES as many five-star matches as Shawn Michaels had for his entire career.
The fact anyone still takes him seriously ANYWHERE is beyond me at this point.
Just think about what Jim would say if they were NOT friends. Oh, and Dave only says what earns him a paycheck from sugar daddy.
Meltzer whines that Gunther is not selling in a hand spot in a match, yet one of the Young Bucks could jump off of a 20-foot ladder onto a flaming table with steel chairs and thumb tacks placed on top of it and be on his feet 45 seconds later jumping in the ring to start beating on someone else, and he would say it was the greatest match ever and give it 5 1/2 stars.
How does anyone take him seriously anymore? 😂😂😂😂
Imagine how great wrestling culture would be if Meltzer never existed.
It’s a Wonderful Life
I can guarantee you that if that exact spot happened in AEW, Dave wouldn't have said anything. That company sees its stars no-sell finishers, chair shots, table spots, etc, and Dave has zero issues with that.
You can tell that from his coverage of Moxley’s AEW run.
Right Dave would have said nothing but Jim would have lol
These are the two best heels in the business today, one is an non-cheating killer, the other is a sniveling crybaby. Both are damn good. And Dave Meltzer is jealous.
In the end the chops didn't matter... because Gunther nearly folded Dom-Dom in half with that dropkick at the end!
I love these two wrestlers.
We love Travis! 👏. 👏. 👏 👏 👏
If Gunther vs. Dom were in AEW, this match would of been 4 1/2 stars, 6 stars in the Tokyo Dome.
The screwdriver clap back was perfect lol!
Just watched a video about Jim and the channel getting so much more traction, without following any of the TH-cam algorithm cheats. Get em Jim 1 mili
Lol get out of my TH-cam i just watched it too
I saw that shit too hellyeah
Sting made a career out of No Selling and Meltzer has been kissing his ass for years. Go figure
Dave questioned the logic of a missed chop but doesn't bat an eyelash at the guys in AEW taking turns giving each other canadian destroyers, and no selling them. Canadian destroyers are flipping piledrivers, FLIPPING PILEDRIVERS. Where the wrestlers land on their heads.
*Sting takes knees to the face and superkicks, kicks out at one.*
Dave: "SIX STARS!"
*Gunther hits ring post and does more chops.*
Dave: "This is stupid. It doesn't make any sense."
If only you had a lawyer that defends you to death like Dave does with AEW lol.
I think Corny has an ad for that.
He's Lionel Hutz.
@@tomsimmons7673if you need to sue...
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@ps2smackdowngamer i started watching the old wccw matches after seeing iron claw and heard its theme and was like holy shit that's Stephen p news theme haha
Yet another example where I ask "why does Dave Meltzer get so much credibility?"
He's a journalist - essentially a glorified fan just like any of us with a louder voice. Nothing more. Has he ever even been in a match? Taken a bodyslam? Had someone dive off the ropes onto him? Yet he's determined to be the final word on what wrestling should be and somehow has followers that go along with it
Proud, at this point, to say I was never a Meltzer fan and was perplexed why Jim was friends with him for so long. Jim should treat him the same as Russo and ignore him unless it's something big. Just let Dave rock back and forth in the corner of the room on his own paying him no attention
Dave Meltzer looks like a Muppet version of Shemp Howard that was badly damaged in shipping.
My father happened to be in room during this match and hasn’t seen wrestling live in maybe 25 years or so. He was totally enthralled by the action and he was confused by the physicality. In a good way.
I stand by my statement that Dave Meltzer is a Phil Hendrie character. Dave has gone off the deep end, even by his standards.
I mean the point of hitting the post with the chop hand and ignoring does make sense. To be fair. But Gunther is such a tough man he was selling his pain tolerance.
What's most crazy about this is how can someone consume as much of a subject as Dave has over the decades and still know nothing about it
I know it’s been said ad nauseum in this comment section alone, but AEW is home to some of the most egregious no-sells in the history of wrestling, and Dave Meltzer has given them 5 Stars or better; Gunther couldn’t have done anything as bad or worse than that.
What's more ridiculous - a Samoan coming back from a chairshot, or Riho being competitive with anyone? And I actually kind of like her.....
When I was 13 and my sister was 11, she hit me in the head with a cast iron griddle pan, recreating a spot from throw mama from the train. The pan wasn't "gimmicked" and weighed around 8 or 9 pounds. Dave gave it 5 stars
Dave was completely shut down in logical debate when he compared Gunther powering thru a hand slap to the post to Kenny Omega powering thru A SCREWDRIVER TO THE SKULL
For f#cks sakes, Dave
Meltzer moves the goalposts so much he ends up playing table tennis.
No credible wrestler or wrestling fan gives a shit about Dave Meltzer’s warped opinion.
Dave talking crap about Gunther matches while praising Eddie Kingston matches is peak obliviousness
Young Bucks did an exploding superkick! And Mox continued to fight!??? 😂
It's this kind of shit that has Meltzer triggered. Fans rightly so criticized that spot among other shitty spots in AEW over the years, so now to cope, Dave has to point out how Gunther no sold an open handed chop to the ring post. It's all he has. Sad.
Activated his brain pacemaker.
The amount of no-sells just on the supposed "greatest ppv of all time" ... was absolutely ridiculous but he's SO offended by Gunther in this match??!! FOH
Travis needs to do the guy walking with girlfriend meme with Dave checking out Ospreaey while walking with Omega.
0:12 Jim’s “HEHEHEEEEE!” laugh is legendary! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
“I went to Nassau Community College!” made me laugh. A self-deprecating joke from Brian??? Reminds me of that one Bobo Brazil promo…
"Now go home and smoke some more crack!"
Dave took that a bit too seriously.
People are making shows just about how successful these Corny & Brian podcasts are now. ❤ Thank you for leaving, Alice.
I’m glad you addressed it here because I was gonna say in matches Dave loves, this type of inconsistency is very normal. People get their legs hurt then start doing all their flips but he’ll give it 5 stars.
Dave the insane who says 7 star matches need 10 finishers talking about selling!?
Gunther's in packed out arenas weekly in WWE meanwhile Davey Meltdown's favourite flippy floppy gymnasts are wrestling in darkened empty arenas lol🤣
Davey Meltdown 😂
Davey Meltdown needs to be in Corny’s rotation along with Uncle Dave that is gold 😂
Considering what the posts in WWE are now, Gunther sold the hurt hand as long as would make sense. Of course a tough son of a gun like Gunther would only need a few minutes to work through whatever pain that would have caused him to begin with. He doesnt need to sell something like that for the REST OF THE MATCH ffs crazy dave 😂
I care about selling and agree with the point. I now expect it to be applied to every match in EVERY promotion in the future.
Just remember Dave once called Janella the modern Mick Foley.
Dave starts out saying Gunther didn't sell enough (because he's a WWE star) then when the context is pointed out he argues no amount of selling one way or the other needs to be logical.
Will Ospreay's biggest fan calling out a real pro wrestler like Gunther for a lack of selling is blood boiling.
Meanwhile
Selling?? Wots that bruv??
Will Ospreay.
@@nickhughes8179 Ospreay should only wrestle on tv. He needs picture and picture so the commercials can do the selling for him.
I enjoyed the match. Loved the stiff chops and doms selling made me look even better.
How many stars has Meltzer given to Moxley?
Whens the last time Moxley has sold any injury in or after a match?
Only thing that comes to mind is when he wore the eye patch, and even then it was halfway off his eye so he could still see. 😂
Dave Meltzer is on the spectrum... And I am not talking about internet service providers.
13:32 artwork inspiration
Gunther doesn't sell his hand for very long. Darby doesn't sell his attempted suicides.
When Jim started mocking Dave going on about ignorant in the voice he did reminded me of South Park making for of Michael Jackson and his voice calling people ignorant.
No that's ignorant
Can pretty much guarantee that’s exactly what he’s referencing. Jim loves him some old South Park.
Dominic Misterio his really improved and shown show so much promise. I think what he is doing is genius. He is hated so much that he can't even talk without getting booed out of the building but not in anyway that people don't want to see him catch a beat down. The heat he gets is so natural that when he turns babyface he will be more over than even his own father. His psychology is old school but with a modern twist, he truly has merged both styles together flawlessly.
There are 1000 moves, botches, and near death experiences in AFW weekly, but NO, let’s talk about Gunther’s hand. Meltzer is truly going senile.
So Dave has a problem with someone not selling a hand hitting a surface but the hand not being broken. But he's okay with wrestlers being dropped on their head and neck, and no sell because they "fired up". And he's okay with the no selling of the indestructible Buck Hogan.
He's right Gunther should've fallen from a ladder through glass to the floor and been just fine.
I don't pay attention to Dave's arguments on Twitter but it seems like his behavior is not different from the average online debate lord. The sad part is I would expect a man of his age to be more mature. He is way too old to behave like this.
Never forget that orange Cassidy and penta traded Canadian destroyers like it was the back and forth punches.