We believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. The 7 year tribulation is “Jacobs Trouble”, not the Church’s trouble. We are looking for Jesus in the clouds! A watchman in NC✝️
The rapture will not take place before the Antichrist is revealed because according to Matthew 24:29-30 the bible says “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. The bible clearly says "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION" that means we (THE CHURCH) will be on the earth during the great tribulation and we will be able to recognize the Antichrist according to the prophecies in the bible 2Thess 2:3-4; Revelation 13:5 ; Daniel 7: 25,27, 11:31, 38 etc...
YES, AND IT SAYS IN 2ND THES THAT THE VERY ELECT WILL BE FOOLED AND HE./SATAN WILL PERFORM MANY MIRACLES BUT DO NOT BE FOOLED BECAUSE THE SON OF PERDITION WILL COME FIRST.
The Lord said he would never leave nor forsake us. And we know that believers have the Holy Spirit living in this temple with us. So if the Holy Spirit leaves earth so do we. He is the Restrainer. He's the only one that has the power!!!
Why would any True believers wanna meet the Anti Christ ??? We only look forward to meeting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the clouds in the air ! Pre Tribulation Rapture ! 1 Thessalonians 4 v 15~17
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4) "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 completely destroys a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. When I was a young Christian and taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, many years ago, I noticed that those I considered to be spiritual leaders at the time, would hammer and hammer any passage of scriptures that contradicted this theory, until they mentally forced it, in their minds, to fit into the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory. Just like these men are attempting to do on this video. And since 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 destroys a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, many attempt to destroy 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Except that they have one serious problem: 2 Corinthians 13:8 KJV For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. The clear message of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 is this simple and plain truth: -The Rapture will not take place until after the Church knows the identity of the Anti-Christ, and his identity will be revealed when he goes into a rebuilt Jewish Temple claiming to be God.- The Anti-Christ going into the Jewish temple claiming to be God is called the Abomination of Desolation that Daniel 9:27 says occurs in the middle of the last 7 years of this age and Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 that this is the event that begins the Great Tribulation. So the Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years of the last 7 years. Inconclusion, this obviously means that the Rapture could not and will not occur at the beginning of the last 7 years. The Church is in a time of tribulation right now as the Church has always been since its beginning and will continue to be so through the first 3 1/2 years of the last 7, then we move into Great Tribulation. Revelation 13:5 says that the reign of the Anti-Christ will last for 42 months, which is also the remaining 3 1/2 years of this last 7 years. The Great Tribulation is Great Persecution not the wrath of God. During the end of the Great Tribulation under the Vials some of the wrath of God will be poured out upon the Anti-Christ, the False Prophet and those that have the Mark of the Beast, but not on the Church. The Church along side the Two Faithful Witnesses will be opposing the Anti-Christ and bringing about a great revival in the earth. Many souls will be saved according to Revelation 7:9-17 and then, after the Rapture on the Day of the Lord, which is the day that ends the Great Tribulation, the wrath of God will be pour out without mixture in the cup of his indignation. Everyone that has the Mark of Beast will be destroyed but other Gentile mortals and a remnant of Jews will survive and enter into the Millennium. The Church will not suffer the wrath of God, but she will endure Great Persecution from Satan using man during the Great Tribulation. However, our faith is in this promise Daniel 7:18 KJV "But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever." We will do this when we follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the Day of the Lord, after the Rapture, to the Battle of Armageddon in our brand new Raptured and glorified bodies!
You know since I became a Christian I have experienced an enormous amount of trouble but it hasnt changed my faith I still want to belong to jesus.....god dosent save us from trouble in the world. Infact Christ tells us that's exactly what we will have!!! He didn't save his own apostles from execution and martyrdom!!! There's no way you are gonna escape....
Gentleman, those were great biblically sound answers. Thank you. For those wanting to be saved. You are saved by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone should boast. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, that he died for your sins, was buried 3 days, on the 3rd day, He rose from death to life. If you accept this, you are saved.
Minnie Mouse , there is so much more to it than just that. The bible states, many will be called but few will be chosen, and it also states (paraphrasing) that if the righteous scarcely make it in, then what about the rest.
Brenda Morris - sad....you believe in your own works and goodness to save you. No....simply believing by faith, the sacrifice Jesus made for us, is enough. It is by Grace we are saved through faith and NOT of ourselves. He completely paid the penalty of sin that we deserved. He took all of Gods wrath upon Himself, that WE deserved......grace, unmerited favor. At Salvation we're justified....yes, as if we NEVER sinned. I'll never understand how people gets if so wrong....
But didn't Jesus save people with his works...? Not only the witnesses to his miracles, but the destiny of his birth and resurrection...? I get your point, Minnie, but I think it's a little more complex than that. 💛
2 Thessalonians 2:3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Having studied eschatology from both amillennial, ans premillennial perspectives (to which I lean). And having been exposed to preterism (which I reject), I have always reserved judgement on the exact timing of the catching away. But there are four things I'm convinced of by scripture. 1.The dead in Christ shall rise, and we which are alive and remain shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and we will say good bye to this present age. 2. More Christians should read Daniel 9, to see that one last week of Daniel's 70 weeks remains for Israel's judgement under Gentile powers, to finish transgression, and bring in everlasting righteousness, because... 3. The 69th week of Daniel ended at the crucifixion, or at least "in the midst of the week, Messiah shall be cut off...." And this could well be interpreted as a portion of the week left for Jacob's trouble. However I believe the covenant is from the antichrist, so it is an entire 7 year period. 4. MORE Christians need to read Romans 11 and Daniel, esp. Ch.9 before they ever even look at Revelation.
Altough the Scriptures use the word 'day', the word refers to a specified period. I'm a pre-wrather, they're pre-tribers. That's why I posted this. It's a common mistake pre-tribers make.
Thanks, brother Russ. I've already seen (almost) all the objections against the pre-wrath. For each of them is a counter argument. I'm sticking with it.
If I would disagree with you on faith vs. works or did Jesus literally or symbolically rise from the dead and I would choose the latter, maybe you could call me a fool. But not on the issue of the rapture, because this isn't an easy topic. So, you shouldn't be prematurely calling other brothers in Christ fools. In this case Mat. 5,22 applies to you.
"[Y]ou are quite proficient at disregarding the context of scripture, which explains your adherence to an erroneous and bizarre eschatological view." It could be the case that I am wrong. But this is what I think of people who believe in pre-trib. The difference is, I don't call them fools (because they aren't) and try to treat them with dignity as Christ commanded. I just believe they are mistaken on this topic. This was my point and rebuke against you're arrogant response, Russ. And yes, also peace and grace to you in Christ our Lord.
I believe the “restraining force” is actually referring to the Church. Many will come to faith in Christ after the Rapture takes place and throughout the Great Tribulation Period. No one can come to faith without the Holy Spirit.
Yeshua told us who the Restrainer is: John 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 “When He comes, *He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment* : 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. Yet, we are told at Genesis 6:3, following a rise of sinfulness, that it will not always be this way: "Then Adonai said, “My Spirit will not remain with humankind forever, since they are flesh." Since "the Helper" convicts the world that it is sinful, when that convicting force stops convicting people of their sins, the world becomes overwhelmingly evil -- as it is today. The "Restrainer," therefore, is not the Ekklesia, but the "Holy Spirit."
Suzanne Baruch “This was precisely Paul’s point in his letter to the Thessalonians. Some of them thought that they had already entered the Day of the Lord, but Paul reassures them that this could not be the case for the man of sin must first be revealed and he will not be revealed until the Restrainer has been taken out of the way. The Thessalonian believers would be “gathered together” to Christ before the man of sin would be revealed. Since the ministry of the Holy Spirit includes indwelling believers and working through the church, then ἐκ μέσου γένηται [ek mesou genētai] (“taken out of the way”) could possibly refer to the removal of the Holy Spirit through the removal of the church in the pretribulational rapture. Since the passage concerns the gathering of believers, this cryptic apocalyptic reference to the Spirit, who indwells the church, is probably in view. This would be an encouragement to the Thessalonian believers to stop being alarmed about any false teaching on the Day of the Lord.5”
Suzanne Baruch “Of the various suggestions, it would seem that the Restrainer must be supernatural in power. For what government could restrain Satan and do so continuously for 2,000 years? Yet, Scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit had just such a ministry (Gen. Gen. 6:3; Gen. 20:6; John John 16:18). It seems the best solution for the identity of the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit Himself. “The first participle (τὸ κατέχο [to katecho] ) conforms to the gender of πνεῦμα [pneuma] . The second participle ὁ κατέχων [ho katechōn] confirms the personality of the Holy Spirit.”3 If this is so, this has significant implications concerning the Rapture of the Church because we previously saw that the Holy Spirit indwells those who are baptized into the Body of Christ permanently for the day of redemption. It is impossible that the Holy Spirit could depart from indwelling the sealed believer-He cannot be taken out of the way unless all born-again believers indwelt by Him are taken with Him! The Holy Spirit came down into the world at Pentecost in a special sense in which He had never been in the world, to dwell in the Church, the body of believers which is called the temple of the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 1Cor. 6:19). When all believers are removed to heaven according to the promise made to the church in Philadelphia (Rev. Rev. 3:10+), . . . the Holy Spirit goes out of the world in the sense that He came into it at Pentecost.4”
Suzanne Baruch “Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.” John 3:5 NIV There will be many people who come to Christ during the Tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the Tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the Rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.
Housewives62, thank you for cutting-and-pasting from a commentary, but I am already acquainted with this rationale. In fact, the commentary mostly agrees with what I have already written! There is only one thing: the conclusion that the Holy Spirit is 1) restraining only via the Ekklesia, and 2) removed from the earth, is not at all supported by Scripture. This was my point entirely.
How very blind can you be to quote the verse that says, The day of Jesus' return will not come until the Anti-Christ *IS* revealed. All of you said in union *"I DON'T THINK SO!"* and none of us care what you think. What the verse says is all that matters. Jesus will not return until first the Anti-Christ is revealed. Twisting God's Word is not becoming of those who call themselves ministers of God!
So, I can not understand, if you read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, how you can say that we will be "gathered unto Him" or "raptured" before the antichrist is revealed, seeing that verse 3 specifically states that the day that we will be "gathered unto Him" shall NOT come until AFTER the man of sin be revealed. How can this be interpreted as the opposite, that we will not know who the antichrist is. Sometime I think that instead of just going by the scriptures, that we listen to others ideas and take them as the truth. But the truth is in His Word, plainly stated. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our GATHERING UNTO HIM, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The parable of the wheat and tares, as Jesus himself explained, says the tares will be gathered by the angels of the Lord and be burned FIRST and then the wheat is gathered. I have never seen anyone who thinks they understand the rapture include the prior gathering up and burning of the tares.
Thessalonians says that the revelation of the son of perdition must take place first before the second coming , accor2 to Matthew 24 Jesus is not coming in any secret way what so ever,
Pink trees and blue Bugs: The faithful ones, God's chosen will have to go thru some of the tribulation. The one's left behind that will become believers will be the myrters for God.
Brenda Morris I am prepared to follow Jesus whether there is a pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib rapture. Quite frankly, I have already been through much tribulation in my life. :)
Austin Ayers firstly mature up bro. Quit the name calling it’s corny. Secondly, who are YOU as a human who cannot even control what time you wake up; to question GOD. Before questioning God you should know he loves you. If you cannot accept that, you can never UNDERSTAND some of the things like evil, and free will. How do you get to know God? You read Genesis. Right on up to numbers and beyond. Read the Bible. But even BEFROE that understand that as sure as GOD is real, so is HELL. Many Christians have stopped telling the world about Hell for acceptance. I won’t because HELL is the worse thing you can think of and even worse than that. Don’t take my tone for anger, nor rude if it is my bad. But you asked a logical question but how you ask it is DANGEROUS. Thing is at the end of your life, GOD believes in you. And your choices. And your free will. So rightfully so, if you choose to reject HIM and Jesus, you will get what you wanted, to spend eternity in torment and hell. I can’t sugarcoat it nor will I though it’s popular to do. God loves you. I hope you love yourself enough to think about this. Not criticizing you even if you drink all those cans of beer and your family drives you crazy, God still loves you. Jesus Loves you. Learn their love by reading the Bible bro. Peace.
@The New IFB Think so? You will need to check with your Greek lexicon while reading Luke 21: 36. In one verse the Lord teaches there is an escape. The means of the escape and where one will find themselves at the very moment of that escape.... standing before the Son of Man.
In this current time, what is the PRIMARY role of the Holy Spirit? John 16:8 tells us clearly: "When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment ..." *YET* we are told at Genesis 6:3 “My Spirit will not remain with humankind forever, since they are flesh." Therefore, G-d has decided upon a time when He will instruct the Holy Spirit to cease convicting the world about sin -- and when He ceases this conviction, the result is UNRESTRAINED sin, which produces a time that is ripe for the Man of Lawlessness to arise. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is the "Restrainer" of 2 Thess. 2, but it is *NEVER* stated that He will be "taken away," only that He will *CEASE TO RESTRAIN.*
Suzanne Baruch Romans tells us God turns folks.over to a reprobate mind to do all evil... There has always been unrestrained sin. Its Jesus who hasnt unlocked the seal 1 in revelation for the Anti Christ to be reveal. Its Jesus who has the Keys to the bottomless pit , its Jesus they kept satan from entering Judas till his time. Jesus told satan what he could do with Job. The restrainer is the Lord Jesus and only he is worthy to unloose the 1st seal of Revelation so the anti Chrisy can be revealed
True Colors, what Romans talks about is G-d's reaction as *INDIVIDUALS* turn from Him. At Ephesians 2:1-5, Paul wrote that we lived exactly as they did, with reprobate minds. But with G-d's grace, we were saved. The initial act of salvation is G-d's, not ours. This is a key concept of Soteriology, and an issue you aren't taking into account. Yet, at Genesis 6:3, G-d explains this will not always be the way -- He will not always wrestle with humankind forever regarding their sins. That is the day Paul wrote about at 2 Thes. 2:6-7 when he referred to the "Restrainer." As I wrote above, John 16:8-11 *PROVES* Who the Restrainer is: 8 “When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. When someone realizes they are committing sin and behaving unrighteously, ESPECIALLY when they have done so by rejecting Yeshua, this realization is placed in their minds by the Holy Spirit; this is how sin has been restrained since the time He has been with us. But as Paul goes on to write, there will come a time when unsaved humanity is *incapable* of believing, because G-d has set them aside for judgement. This is the difference between what Paul wrote about at Romans Chapter 1 and 2 Thes. 2.
Suzanne Baruch the problem with your theory is when Jesus opens seal 1 the anti Christ gets his crown and he goes to conquer and kill believers but during this time bible says many our Saved....Daniel 11:33 and they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days..... So obviously the Holy Spirit is still convicting people after the anti Christ has been revealed .so the restrainer cant be as you claim.
When Jesus opens the first seal in revelation then the barrier is removed for the lawless one to be revealed the man of sin and revelation say Jesus alone is worthy to open the seal hence its Jesus who restrains by that seal till the seal is open and taken out of the way
True Colors - Pace be with you. Why do you use Jesus instead of Christ? Jesus was a man. Christ is a Spirit. Christ will again appear to man to show man how he denied him since man was born. Man is only told of Christ, and man only speaks of Christ, but man believes Jesus is Christ, yet Christ is your Father, the Holy One whom dwells in all mankind, in the most high place of your temple. His name was changed from the old testament, but our living God has many names. And if man does not know his God living within him, man is considered antichrist. As such, the dead in Christ will rise first. Man is the walking dead until he finds his God that dwells within him. Jesus taught that. Or was "I AM the Way" thought to be Jesus words instead of He who sent Jesus? Was Jesus message that difficult to understand, or did people choose to go with the disciples who didn't get what Jesus was teaching? Our God did not make things complicated, but he did say he would confound man in man's reasoning. Our God gave us One mind, yet this world has many. These books in the bible all tell us the same thing yet we cannot recognize it because man looks outward rather than inward. The living God within knows our thoughts. He knows our desires whether they be for him or for Satan. And from what my LORD has witnessed with me, this world is lost. This world is deceived. But man can return to his God who gives eternal life. It is all written in those books. The Holy Spirit of Eternity, or Christ, if you will, is your savior. He dwells within. There is no other god before Him. Seek the living water. Peace be with you.
Did you forget that it is written that God would give people dreams and visions before that Great Day of the Lord. We as Christians should know that God's ways are not our ways. He choose who He wants to reveal things to. He usually chooses not the popular persons.
There is no RAPTURE before the tribulation (please provide scriptures to support this rapture scenario before the tribulation)... Matt 24:29... "immediately AFTER the tribulation..." please go READ yourself! Believers & unbelievers alike will go through the tribulation. Verse 30... "then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky..."
Many will not recognize him. Because the church is a respecter of persons. And they love to adore men. And they're looking for the wrong signs. There is no rapture. There is a gathering in the air after the tribulation, on the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is gained through tribulation. But the church today teaches we will be taken out of it. They do lie. Jesus said the tears are gathered first. Not the wheat. He also commands that his angels that they not gather any until the Harvest at the end period at the last trump. The verses that are taken out of context do not support a pre-tribulation rapture. To say to the church at Smyrna that they will be kept from the hour of temptation, temptation is not Tribulation. And to say we are not appointed to God's Wrath is true. But the tribulation is not God's Wrath on his people.
My pastor taught, "Use some critical thinking. The bible says, 'pray that he will find you worthy to ESCAPE...' That doesn't sound like Jesus is going to let his BRIDE SUFFER! Who would want to marry a man that does not demonstrate that he will protect her!" - Jesus takes his bride (wife) home and then the anti-Christ comes on the scene to "explain" the dissapearence of millions of people. As it is written, (paraphrased) "You will know the SIGNS of the end times: earthquakes in diverse places, the sea roaring, etc... (taking place all at the same time) When you see this GET READY, his return is NEAR!"
Please just focus on being faithful & obedient to Jesus , then who is or isn't the Anti Christ doesn't matter. Trust & obey & you won't be side tracked.
Unless you ARE the antichrist, it doesn't matter. Stay faithful to God and the Son, Yeshua. Rapture, war, decadence...doesn't matter. Quit trying to guess these things and just be faithful. Yeshua said this..
The Party (last edit 7/5/2017) Imagine that on Saturday you make a reservation with one of the entertainment facilities that provides for children. You plan a party for your child and his friends. You pay the fee and the appointed time is set for one week away early on Saturday morning. You tell your child that there is a party planned for him and his friends. You do not tell him the exact appointment time. You want him to go about his activities and be motivated by the hope of going to the party. You tell him to invite his friends. The child is curious and impatient and asks when the party will start. You do not tell him the exact time but say that there are some other things that must happen first and the party will happen at the appointment time. “You have to go to school first and study your lessons. Other things are going to happen first, especially on the day before the party.” Then you tell the child what some of the other things are and especially those things that will take place on the day before the party. Some of your child’s friends find out about the planned party. Their imaginations run wild. They tell your child that the party could happen at any time. They think it is imminent. Your child says, “No, it is not going to happen at just any moment. It will happen at the appointment time. That is what my father told me and I believe him” Late on Friday, the day before the party, the friends say to the child, “Now the party can start at any time because all the things your father said would happen have already happened. It is imminent.” The child responded, “There is one thing my father said would happen on the day before the party that has not yet been revealed. So it is not imminent. My father always tells the truth. One more thing must happen today then the party will be at the appointed time tomorrow.” This story of the party is the story of the rapture. An incorrect teaching and belief that the Lord’s Kingdom was imminent actually took place while Jesus was still on the earth after His resurrection ! It is recorded in our Bibles. In my 40 years of Bible study I’ve never heard one sermon or one teaching about it. Not even in prophecy studies ! In John chapter 21 verses 15-23, Jesus is drawing Peter to follow Him. Peter tries to change the subject and speaks of John who is there and says, “What about this man?” In a polite way Jesus in effect tells him forget about John this is between me and you. The exact words in verse 22 are “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow me.” This caused a false belief and teaching by the very Apostles themselves! They began to teach that Jesus would return before John would die. In other words they were teaching that the return of Christ was imminent. This was an incorrect teaching and God dealt with it by having John correct it in the writings we have in our Bibles in the book of John. Verse 22 has the Lord’s words that were misinterpreted. The very next verse, verse 23, makes the correction. It says, “Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?” The incorrect teaching of the Lord’s return being imminent crept into the church early in its history. It was even believed and taught by the very Apostles themselves. God corrected that error and recorded it in our Bibles. Why did God bother to record it for us to read in our day? Perhaps it was because He knew that near the time of Christ’s return the incorrect teaching of it being imminent would once again be a problem. The return of Christ to resurrect His Church and to rapture the living believers has never been imminent throughout the history of the Church. Consider just a few of the things that had to happen before Christ would return. Peter would die a martyr’s death by being crucified. Jesus told him this on the same occasion that is recorded in John chapter 21 that we just looked at. The temple would be destroyed. Israel would be destroyed as a nation and the survivors scattered throughout the world. Gentiles would control Jerusalem until close to the time of the Lord’s return. Israel would once again become a nation. Israel would regain control of Jerusalem. The gospel would be preached in all the world. The nations surrounding Israel would unite together in calling for her destruction. There would be a falling away from God and from the truth of His teachings. That brings us up to today. During none of those over 1900 years has the Lord’s return been imminent. It could not happen at just any time. All of the events mentioned above and others had to be completed before the appointed time for the return would come. It has been taught for the past many decades that all events foretold to happen before the Lord’s return have taken place and He could return at any moment. That is not true. There is at least one major event that must take place before the Lord’s return for the resurrection and rapture. Even after that event the exact day and hour of the Lord’s return will not be known to us. It will take place at the appointed time. We have a prophetic verse that tells us of two things that must happen before the resurrection of the Church and the rapture. One of those things is the ‘falling away.’ This is the falling away from God in general and in the falling away from teaching the true doctrines of the Bible. We can see that falling away taking place today. Before looking at the second thing that must take place before the resurrection and rapture lets look at the situation with the Church at Thessalonica. Paul had been there and helped them. While he was there he taught them about the resurrection and rapture. After he left, someone by letter or word convinced the Church there that they had missed the resurrection and rapture. In other words they had been ‘left behind.’ In his second letter to Timothy, Paul identified two men who were falsely teaching that ‘the resurrection is already past: and they overthrow the faith of some.’ See 2 Timothy 2:17-18. This was a very serious problem. As you can imagine, the Church at Thessalonica was very upset about this and wrote to Paul asking for help. Paul told them God would ‘repay with tribulation those who trouble you.’ In chapter 2 verses 1-3 Paul tells them that two things that had not yet happened in their time had to happen before the resurrection and rapture. 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed.... So the two things Paul told them that had not happened yet were 1. the falling away and 2. the man of sin must be revealed. In verse 5 he reminds them that he taught them these things when he was with them. See how easy it is for Church members to be lead astray by false teaching? In our time the falling away is taking place. The man of sin (the Antichrist that Paul goes on to talk about in the rest of chapter 2) has not yet been revealed. These verses show us that the Antichrist must be revealed before the resurrection and rapture of the church. Some would argue that the verse that tells us no man knows the day or the hour prevents this from being true. No it doesn’t. The Antichrist can be revealed and then there can be some amount of time before the 7 year peace plan is made and begins. During that time the resurrection and rapture can take place and no one will know what day it is going to be. So what is the danger of the incorrect teaching that the rapture is imminent and no events remain before it can take place? Remember Paul said of those who were teaching that they overthrew the faith of some. Think about it. Today if a man came on the scene who was clearly the Antichrist and recognized by Christians what would they think? Many would think they had been ‘left behind’ just like the people at Thessalonica. It would trouble them and it might even ‘overthrow’ their faith. Some might turn their back on their faith. Some might commit suicide. Who knows all the harm it might cause. Look closely at what Paul said about this ‘man of sin.’ It says he must be revealed. What he does not say is just as important. Paul did not say he must be in power yet or have made a 7 year peace treaty with Israel yet. Only that he must be revealed. Think about it this way. Every 4 years the US elects a new president. The election takes place in November and the winner is revealed. The winner becomes known to everyone. Yet the winner does not take office until some time later in January. It is only then that he has power to do things. Perhaps that is the way it will be when the Antichrist is revealed. So dear brother or sister in Christ, if you are around when the Antichrist is revealed do not panic. You have not been ‘left behind.’ Remember the Church at Thessalonica and what God had to say to them through Paul. Once the Man of Sin is revealed then the rapture will take place sometime before the Abomination of Desolation. Read Mark 13 - that is when our Lord Jesus says the Tribulation will begin.
Go read Matthew 24 in context. You will find out that you will be hated by all nations, imprisoned, and killed. Then immediately after the tribulation, Jesus comes back, takes his bride away, and then pours out judgement on the world. The tribulation is meant to purify and refine his bride. He doesn't want fair weather believers who aren't willing to suffer for him getting an easy ride out. So if you don't want to go through the tribulation, resist corruption, deception, oppression, and tyranny!
2 Thess 2:1-3.“ Paul tells the people that the coming of the Lord comes after the falling away and the man of sin is revealed. Paul tells Thess. because they’re concerned that they’ve missed Jesus’ return and rapture of the saints; one event. Paul gives Thess. 2 identifying events to look for that occurs before the Lord comes; one is the revealing of the lawless one. In addition Revelation 13 gives symbolism that refers to beast, tells you to let him that has wisdom calculate the number of the beast. Yes, the saints can know before the “rapture.” A number of the quotes the presenters use, such at 0:35 sec. appears to be out of context to the question and answers they’re talking.
There's a lot of controversy with the idea of the rapture, some people think Christians are gonna go through the tribulation aswell but God is gonna keep us safe I think its called the mid-tribulation and the idea of Christians gonna get caught up to be with Christ before the tribulation starts is the pre-tribulation. Incase anyone doesn't know.
Question: In Revelation, did John see visions in a similar manner to Joseph and Daniel, or did he actually see the future? I'm leaning towards the former.
While wasting precious time debating go and find these lost souls family friends the non believer we will not be deceived if you know the true word of God, we are responsible to know what is written so many listen to man God tells us to fear not for he is with us whatever happens.
I think the whole world will be able to. Suave guy shows up with the answer to all the world’s problems. Demands the world uses one currency and you can’t buy or sell without the mark. I’m not even religious but I think I will be able to identify him.
The church is the restrainer because the Holy spirit acts as it through us. We are the light and salt of the earth. A dark world can't come around with lights still lit.
Old men in suits talking crap for cash. The sheep keep watching as they can't think for themselves. Break out from what you've been told and look again.
Craig Taylor, You got that right, there is too many following the wrong path. The blind leading the blind and they both fall in the ditch. That's why we need to stay prayed up and always looking up.
These guys are fools just read Revelation 6 and 7 and you don't have to count on people like this to confuse you it's really simple that's why it's called The Book of Revelation to reveal what's coming ahead come on people get it together!!!!
Exactly. You will need this to overcome. Here is how to count the number of the beast. You must be in the KJV Bible to get the correct translation. The number of the beast is 313 and not 666. Must unveil the word number SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX to get the hidden manna. Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. God didn't say the number is 666. God said the number is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX and to count it. In order to count the number we must assign a number to each letter in SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX and add it up to get the number of the beast. Once we have the number then we match it to a man name. We use simple English gematria to assign a number to each letter in the alphabet. Simple English Gematra A=1----------Z=26 SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX = 19+9+24 + 8+21+14+4+18+5+4 + 20+8+18+5+5+19+3+15+18+5 + 1+14+4 + 19+9+24 = 313 VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN = 22+12+1+4+9+13+9+18 + 22+12+1+4+9+13+9+18+15+22+9+3+8 + 16+21+20+9+14 = 313 God said count the number so we have 26 letters in the number. We need to count TWENTY AND SIX to get his birth date. TWENTY =107 AND=19 SIX=52 TWENTY = 20+23+5+14+20+25 = 107 AND = 1+14+4 = 19 SIX = 19+9+24 = 52 10-7-1952 President Putin birth date and is the beast of Rev.13:18 Pope Francis has the same number and is the false prophet. He became the Pope on 3-13-2013 which is the number of the beast 313. Go to the following site for the song that we sing that no man can learn except the 144000. th-cam.com/channels/gEAB0eA1pdoTt9eniCODGw.htmldiscussion?view_as=subscriber Jesus gets all the glory and credit!!!
kathie ellis you're doing exactly what they're doing taking one verse out of the Bible instead of reading the whole thing and getting the entire context out of it Matthew 5:22 says without a cause not to call a man a fool but these guys are entirely wrong about the rapture that's why I called them fools because the Saints meaning the saved or the church will be here for the tribulation read Revelation 6 and 7 or Matthew 24 it's pretty clear we're not leaving with God until the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation seal number 6 is complete.
And just skip right over 5:9 where it tells us the beasts are the REDEEMED, and they were there before the seals and trumpets. Don't forget Isaiah 26:19 -21
I agree. We will be here for the 7 trumpets, but not the 7 bowls of Gods wrath, Paul says that, "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ". There is a difference in perseverance thru tribulation and the suffering of the 7 bowls of God's punishment on the wicked, one is a period of testing, the other is a period of his justice and punishment. I believe Job and Psalms also references this, " From six calamities he will rescue you; in seven no harm will touch you." And "A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you say, “The LORD is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent." I'd also recommend the understanding of Revelation 12 as further scripture to back this up. The woman that gives birth is the heavenly Jerusalem. There is no other "mother" Paul describes. "All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace". This mother delivers a son, this fulfills Isaiah 66, as Paul states "but the Jerusalem that IS ABOVE (👆) is free AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER". Paul quotes Isaiah 54 as scriptural proof of his statement, but the prophecy about the mother does not stop there, that is a continuous theme until the end of the book of Isaiah, which comes to the point of birth, she delivers a son that is also referenced as nation and a country, (you are all one IN CHRIST). Read Isaiah 66, it's singular AND plural. Jump ahead to revelation 12, the woman (12 tribes as a crown, clothed in the glory of God, with SATAN under her feet) delivers a son that is caught up to heaven, I challenge you to find another reference to the very definition of rapture any where else. Immediately after that, the heavens break out in war, this reminds me of the prophecy of Ezekiel to "the vast army", the valley of dry bones that is brought back to life. Satan is THEN and ONLY then, cast down for good with his angels. Then the beast appears. As for our mother, Heavenly Jerusalem, PLEASE understand this, "a man will leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become 1 flesh, this is a PROFOUND MYSTERY, but I am speaking of CHRIST and the CHURCH, (BODY)". This is my understanding of Paul's mystery. A man, (the life giving spirit, the 2nd Adam of 1 Cor. 15) will leave his mother and father, (God and the heavenly Jerusalem), and be joined to his wife, (spirit and body, married to the spirit, the bride), and the two shall become 1, Paul repeatedly tries to illustrate marriage as how the spirit and flesh are one, the flesh acts out and performs what the spirit desires, (the woman you put here with me deceived me and I ate); (the SPIRIT is willing, but the FLESH is WEAK). GOD BLESS
There is no such person called "the Antichrist". It's the Beast and False Prophet of Revelation 19:20. Search: Antichrist scriptures They come right up, ...you'll be shocked
I agree... it's not the Antichrist .. it's false prophet and the beast. because if the person is against to Christ that is Antichrist. we are waiting for false prophet which is pope to declare himself as God not the Antichrist
Will Christians be able to identify the Antichrist before the rapture? One could look back and ask the question: Did the Jews identify the Messiah when He came?" Most of them knew about the coming of the Messiah foretold in the old Testament. But when Christ came, He was not "the kind of Messiah" they were expecting to see ....
Satan is restrained now because he has 42 months that are for him to proclaim he is God. Until then he is restrained by God. But none the less, he will be revealed before the great gathering takes place. This is biblical, no reason for teaching otherwise.
This is why I think almost all of today's prophecy teachers have it wrong - they do not understand what is meant by THE DAY OF THE LORD. It causes them to interpret 2nd Thess incorrectly. Those believes were scared - they thought they had missed the ressurection and rapture of the Church -and been left behind. If day of the Lord meant when Jesus comes to rule the world those believers would have been rejoicing that Jesus was back and not have been afraid. So Paul told them 2 things had to happen first before the rapture. They were 2 things those believers could confirm for themselves - One - there must be a falling away - an apostasy - they church was growing and not falling away. Two- the Man of Sin must be revealed - and they knew that had not happened. Read my other post about THE PARTY for more details.
With what I am about to say is just pure opinion with some bible knowledge. I think the best way for Christians to identifying the anti christ is first to know God and Jesus Christ. What they are like and how they are. This alone will help you know as far who is the real Jesus and who is fake in the days that the anti christ will reign.
According to the book of Daniel the restrainer is Micheal not H.S. during the tribulation there will be those saved during it too so the Holy Spirit can't be taken out. Without the Holy Spirit no one can be saved.
+Truth Warrior The "restrainer", to use your un-KJV term, is GOD. God allows or disallows everything. And He allows the man of sin to continue UNTIL HE is cast into the lake of fire by Jesus.
+Truth Warrior What did I just say? The passage of 2 Thess 2 is talking about THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY. The word "restrain" is NOT in the KJV. The word used is "letteth". [God] who letteth, will letteth [INIQUITY] continue until HE, THE MAN OF SIN, is taken out of the way. It's NOT a rapture verse. Unless you believe that iniquity will stop after the church is gone.
TriceyDiva💋: God bless your thinking faculty. Everyone at that time will go through the fire. The saints will be purified. And unbelievers doomed forever
Wow...they don't care about what Yeshua said in Matthew 24:15-16 (NJB) 15 ‘So when you see the appalling abomination, of which the prophet Daniel spoke, set up in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judaea must escape to the mountains; The catching away follows this, as stated in Matthew 24:30-31 (NJB) 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven; then, too, all the peoples of the earth will beat their breasts; and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. They read Chapter and Verse on;y from Darby and Scofields notes...how sad.
Yeah considering the Bible says in reference to the second coming 2 Thes. 2 says that time will not come unless there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed" so we will ni it be raptured before the antichrist comes to power and proclaims himself God.
The revelation of Jesus Christ is in two stages, first coming and then second coming, so it is possible the revealing of Antichrist is in two stages too, one prior to rapture, and one after the rapture.
I wonder after witnessing the awesomeness of the rapture how anyone left behind would still not turn to Jesus and still be fooled by the antichrist.
We believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. The 7 year tribulation is “Jacobs Trouble”, not the Church’s trouble. We are looking for Jesus in the clouds! A watchman in NC✝️
Come Lord Jesus come!
Our Lord Jesus will come for His people. His Word is true, so we wait patiently for Him. He is wonderful, praise His holy name.
Come soon Lord Jesus.
We have the Holy Spirit
The BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HAS POWER
The rapture will not take place before the Antichrist is revealed because according to Matthew 24:29-30 the bible says “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. The bible clearly says "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION" that means we (THE CHURCH) will be on the earth during the great tribulation and we will be able to recognize the Antichrist according to the prophecies in the bible 2Thess 2:3-4; Revelation 13:5 ; Daniel 7: 25,27, 11:31, 38 etc...
YES, AND IT SAYS IN 2ND THES THAT THE VERY ELECT WILL BE FOOLED AND HE./SATAN WILL PERFORM MANY MIRACLES BUT DO NOT BE FOOLED BECAUSE THE SON OF PERDITION WILL COME FIRST.
The Lord said he would never leave nor forsake us. And we know that believers have the Holy Spirit living in this temple with us. So if the Holy Spirit leaves earth so do we. He is the Restrainer. He's the only one that has the power!!!
Why would any True believers wanna meet the Anti Christ ???
We only look forward to meeting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the clouds in the air !
Pre Tribulation Rapture !
1 Thessalonians 4 v 15~17
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4) "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
Just because you wear a suit and sit in a chair on a stage doesn't mean you know what you're talking about
Very often, they don't have a clue. They parrot what the cemetery...I mean, seminary...told them to say. UGH.
Well said....note Matthew 11:25.
Charles Pieters oh yes I have two a/c one upstairs and one downstairs. I live in Sacramento it gets hot here
Steven Brown......too much....lol.
Charles Pieters Antichrist has to be acceptable to Jews as Messiah. Are you implying we'll have a Jewish pope?
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 completely destroys a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. When I was a young Christian and taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, many years ago, I noticed that those I considered to be spiritual leaders at the time, would hammer and hammer any passage of scriptures that contradicted this theory, until they mentally forced it, in their minds, to fit into the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory. Just like these men are attempting to do on this video. And since 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 destroys a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, many attempt to destroy 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Except that they have one serious problem:
2 Corinthians 13:8 KJV
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
The clear message of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 is this simple and plain truth:
-The Rapture will not take place until after the Church knows the identity of the Anti-Christ, and his identity will be revealed when he goes into a rebuilt Jewish Temple claiming to be God.-
The Anti-Christ going into the Jewish temple claiming to be God is called the Abomination of Desolation that Daniel 9:27 says occurs in the middle of the last 7 years of this age and Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 that this is the event that begins the Great Tribulation. So the Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years of the last 7 years.
Inconclusion, this obviously means that the Rapture could not and will not occur at the beginning of the last 7 years.
The Church is in a time of tribulation right now as the Church has always been since its beginning and will continue to be so through the first 3 1/2 years of the last 7, then we move into Great Tribulation.
Revelation 13:5 says that the reign of the Anti-Christ will last for 42 months, which is also the remaining 3 1/2 years of this last 7 years.
The Great Tribulation is Great Persecution not the wrath of God. During the end of the Great Tribulation under the Vials some of the wrath of God will be poured out upon the Anti-Christ, the False Prophet and those that have the Mark of the Beast, but not on the Church. The Church along side the Two Faithful Witnesses will be opposing the Anti-Christ and bringing about a great revival in the earth. Many souls will be saved according to Revelation 7:9-17 and then, after the Rapture on the Day of the Lord, which is the day that ends the Great Tribulation, the wrath of God will be pour out without mixture in the cup of his indignation. Everyone that has the Mark of Beast will be destroyed but other Gentile mortals and a remnant of Jews will survive and enter into the Millennium.
The Church will not suffer the wrath of God, but she will endure Great Persecution from Satan using man during the Great Tribulation.
However, our faith is in this promise
Daniel 7:18 KJV
"But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
We will do this when we follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the Day of the Lord, after the Rapture, to the Battle of Armageddon in our brand new Raptured and glorified bodies!
You know since I became a Christian I have experienced an enormous amount of trouble but it hasnt changed my faith I still want to belong to jesus.....god dosent save us from trouble in the world. Infact Christ tells us that's exactly what we will have!!! He didn't save his own apostles from execution and martyrdom!!! There's no way you are gonna escape....
Gentleman, those were great biblically sound answers. Thank you. For those wanting to be saved. You are saved by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone should boast. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, that he died for your sins, was buried 3 days, on the 3rd day, He rose from death to life. If you accept this, you are saved.
Minnie Mouse
, there is so much more to it than just that. The bible states, many will be called but few will be chosen, and it also states (paraphrasing) that if the righteous scarcely make it in, then what about the rest.
Brenda Morris - sad....you believe in your own works and goodness to save you. No....simply believing by faith, the sacrifice Jesus made for us, is enough. It is by Grace we are saved through faith and NOT of ourselves. He completely paid the penalty of sin that we deserved. He took all of Gods wrath upon Himself, that WE deserved......grace, unmerited favor. At Salvation we're justified....yes, as if we NEVER sinned. I'll never understand how people gets if so wrong....
But didn't Jesus save people with his works...? Not only the witnesses to his miracles, but the destiny of his birth and resurrection...?
I get your point, Minnie, but I think it's a little more complex than that. 💛
I don't care who the antichrist will be take me home Lord.
GOD is alive and will bless America a little bit longer !
2 Thessalonians 2:3 ¶Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Having studied eschatology from both amillennial, ans premillennial perspectives (to which I lean). And having been exposed to preterism (which I reject), I have always reserved judgement on the exact timing of the catching away. But there are four things I'm convinced of by scripture.
1.The dead in Christ shall rise, and we which are alive and remain shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and we will say good bye to this present age.
2. More Christians should read Daniel 9, to see that one last week of Daniel's 70 weeks remains for Israel's judgement under Gentile powers, to finish transgression, and bring in everlasting righteousness, because...
3. The 69th week of Daniel ended at the crucifixion, or at least "in the midst of the week, Messiah shall be cut off...." And this could well be interpreted as a portion of the week left for Jacob's trouble. However I believe the covenant is from the antichrist, so it is an entire 7 year period.
4. MORE Christians need to read Romans 11 and Daniel, esp. Ch.9 before they ever even look at Revelation.
The day of the Lord isn't the tribulation.
Altough the Scriptures use the word 'day', the word refers to a specified period. I'm a pre-wrather, they're pre-tribers. That's why I posted this. It's a common mistake pre-tribers make.
Thanks, brother Russ. I've already seen (almost) all the objections against the pre-wrath. For each of them is a counter argument. I'm sticking with it.
If I would disagree with you on faith vs. works or did Jesus literally or symbolically rise from the dead and I would choose the latter, maybe you could call me a fool. But not on the issue of the rapture, because this isn't an easy topic. So, you shouldn't be prematurely calling other brothers in Christ fools. In this case Mat. 5,22 applies to you.
"[Y]ou are quite proficient at disregarding the context of scripture, which explains your adherence to an erroneous and bizarre eschatological view." It could be the case that I am wrong. But this is what I think of people who believe in pre-trib. The difference is, I don't call them fools (because they aren't) and try to treat them with dignity as Christ commanded. I just believe they are mistaken on this topic. This was my point and rebuke against you're arrogant response, Russ. And yes, also peace and grace to you in Christ our Lord.
Correct. Tribulation has nothing to do with the day of the Lord. Two separate events
Read 1 John 2: 18 . One for your question.
Aren’t we suppose to be raptured before the son of perdition arrives?
I believe the “restraining force” is actually referring to the Church. Many will come to faith in Christ after the Rapture takes place and throughout the Great Tribulation Period. No one can come to faith without the Holy Spirit.
Yeshua told us who the Restrainer is:
John 16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away! For if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8 “When He comes, *He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment* : 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
Yet, we are told at Genesis 6:3, following a rise of sinfulness, that it will not always be this way: "Then Adonai said, “My Spirit will not remain with humankind forever, since they are flesh."
Since "the Helper" convicts the world that it is sinful, when that convicting force stops convicting people of their sins, the world becomes overwhelmingly evil -- as it is today. The "Restrainer," therefore, is not the Ekklesia, but the "Holy Spirit."
Suzanne Baruch “This was precisely Paul’s point in his letter to the Thessalonians. Some of them thought that they had already entered the Day of the Lord, but Paul reassures them that this could not be the case for the man of sin must first be revealed and he will not be revealed until the Restrainer has been taken out of the way. The Thessalonian believers would be “gathered together” to Christ before the man of sin would be revealed.
Since the ministry of the Holy Spirit includes indwelling believers and working through the church, then ἐκ μέσου γένηται [ek mesou genētai] (“taken out of the way”) could possibly refer to the removal of the Holy Spirit through the removal of the church in the pretribulational rapture. Since the passage concerns the gathering of believers, this cryptic apocalyptic reference to the Spirit, who indwells the church, is probably in view. This would be an encouragement to the Thessalonian believers to stop being alarmed about any false teaching on the Day of the Lord.5”
Suzanne Baruch “Of the various suggestions, it would seem that the Restrainer must be supernatural in power. For what government could restrain Satan and do so continuously for 2,000 years? Yet, Scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit had just such a ministry (Gen. Gen. 6:3; Gen. 20:6; John John 16:18). It seems the best solution for the identity of the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit Himself. “The first participle (τὸ κατέχο [to katecho] ) conforms to the gender of πνεῦμα [pneuma] . The second participle ὁ κατέχων [ho katechōn] confirms the personality of the Holy Spirit.”3 If this is so, this has significant implications concerning the Rapture of the Church because we previously saw that the Holy Spirit indwells those who are baptized into the Body of Christ permanently for the day of redemption. It is impossible that the Holy Spirit could depart from indwelling the sealed believer-He cannot be taken out of the way unless all born-again believers indwelt by Him are taken with Him!
The Holy Spirit came down into the world at Pentecost in a special sense in which He had never been in the world, to dwell in the Church, the body of believers which is called the temple of the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 1Cor. 6:19). When all believers are removed to heaven according to the promise made to the church in Philadelphia (Rev. Rev. 3:10+), . . . the Holy Spirit goes out of the world in the sense that He came into it at Pentecost.4”
Suzanne Baruch “Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.”
John 3:5 NIV
There will be many people who come to Christ during the Tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the Tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the Rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.
Housewives62, thank you for cutting-and-pasting from a commentary, but I am already acquainted with this rationale. In fact, the commentary mostly agrees with what I have already written! There is only one thing: the conclusion that the Holy Spirit is 1) restraining only via the Ekklesia, and 2) removed from the earth, is not at all supported by Scripture. This was my point entirely.
The rapture is so soon
These men speak truth and rightly divide the bible. Great video!
How very blind can you be to quote the verse that says, The day of Jesus' return will not come until the Anti-Christ *IS* revealed. All of you said in union *"I DON'T THINK SO!"* and none of us care what you think. What the verse says is all that matters. Jesus will not return until first the Anti-Christ is revealed. Twisting God's Word is not becoming of those who call themselves ministers of God!
So, I can not understand, if you read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, how you can say that we will be "gathered unto Him" or "raptured" before the antichrist is revealed, seeing that verse 3 specifically states that the day that we will be "gathered unto Him" shall NOT come until AFTER the man of sin be revealed. How can this be interpreted as the opposite, that we will not know who the antichrist is. Sometime I think that instead of just going by the scriptures, that we listen to others ideas and take them as the truth. But the truth is in His Word, plainly stated.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our GATHERING UNTO HIM,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The parable of the wheat and tares, as Jesus himself explained, says the tares will be gathered by the angels of the Lord and be burned FIRST and then the wheat is gathered. I have never seen anyone who thinks they understand the rapture include the prior gathering up and burning of the tares.
Thessalonians says that the revelation of the son of perdition must take place first before the second coming , accor2 to Matthew 24 Jesus is not coming in any secret way what so ever,
Thank you for sharing this. I get comments on my videos that people think antichrist has to be revealed before rapture. Thank you for sharing.
I actually thought the same thank you for sharing
Pink trees and blue Bugs: The faithful ones, God's chosen will have to go thru some of the tribulation. The one's left behind that will become believers will be the myrters for God.
Brenda Morris I am prepared to follow Jesus whether there is a pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib rapture. Quite frankly, I have already been through much tribulation in my life. :)
Love these men of God....Blessings....Maranatha!
they are misleading the Flock, read my comments on top.
Austin Ayers, that's more like it!
Austin Ayers firstly mature up bro. Quit the name calling it’s corny. Secondly, who are YOU as a human who cannot even control what time you wake up; to question GOD. Before questioning God you should know he loves you. If you cannot accept that, you can never UNDERSTAND some of the things like evil, and free will. How do you get to know God? You read Genesis. Right on up to numbers and beyond. Read the Bible. But even BEFROE that understand that as sure as GOD is real, so is HELL. Many Christians have stopped telling the world about Hell for acceptance. I won’t because HELL is the worse thing you can think of and even worse than that. Don’t take my tone for anger, nor rude if it is my bad. But you asked a logical question but how you ask it is DANGEROUS. Thing is at the end of your life, GOD believes in you. And your choices. And your free will. So rightfully so, if you choose to reject HIM and Jesus, you will get what you wanted, to spend eternity in torment and hell. I can’t sugarcoat it nor will I though it’s popular to do.
God loves you. I hope you love yourself enough to think about this. Not criticizing you even if you drink all those cans of beer and your family drives you crazy, God still loves you. Jesus Loves you. Learn their love by reading the Bible bro. Peace.
@The New IFB
Think so? You will need to check with your Greek lexicon while reading Luke 21: 36. In one verse the Lord teaches there is an escape. The means of the escape and where one will find themselves at the very moment of that escape.... standing before the Son of Man.
@Russ Bell
So long as we edify each other in a spirit that is pleasing to our Lord..
In this current time, what is the PRIMARY role of the Holy Spirit? John 16:8 tells us clearly: "When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment ..." *YET* we are told at Genesis 6:3 “My Spirit will not remain with humankind forever, since they are flesh." Therefore, G-d has decided upon a time when He will instruct the Holy Spirit to cease convicting the world about sin -- and when He ceases this conviction, the result is UNRESTRAINED sin, which produces a time that is ripe for the Man of Lawlessness to arise. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is the "Restrainer" of 2 Thess. 2, but it is *NEVER* stated that He will be "taken away," only that He will *CEASE TO RESTRAIN.*
Suzanne Baruch Romans tells us God turns folks.over to a reprobate mind to do all evil... There has always been unrestrained sin. Its Jesus who hasnt unlocked the seal 1 in revelation for the Anti Christ to be reveal. Its Jesus who has the Keys to the bottomless pit , its Jesus they kept satan from entering Judas till his time. Jesus told satan what he could do with Job. The restrainer is the Lord Jesus and only he is worthy to unloose the 1st seal of Revelation so the anti Chrisy can be revealed
True Colors, what Romans talks about is G-d's reaction as *INDIVIDUALS* turn from Him. At Ephesians 2:1-5, Paul wrote that we lived exactly as they did, with reprobate minds. But with G-d's grace, we were saved. The initial act of salvation is G-d's, not ours. This is a key concept of Soteriology, and an issue you aren't taking into account.
Yet, at Genesis 6:3, G-d explains this will not always be the way -- He will not always wrestle with humankind forever regarding their sins. That is the day Paul wrote about at 2 Thes. 2:6-7 when he referred to the "Restrainer." As I wrote above, John 16:8-11 *PROVES* Who the Restrainer is:
8 “When He comes, He will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
When someone realizes they are committing sin and behaving unrighteously, ESPECIALLY when they have done so by rejecting Yeshua, this realization is placed in their minds by the Holy Spirit; this is how sin has been restrained since the time He has been with us.
But as Paul goes on to write, there will come a time when unsaved humanity is *incapable* of believing, because G-d has set them aside for judgement. This is the difference between what Paul wrote about at Romans Chapter 1 and 2 Thes. 2.
Suzanne Baruch the problem with your theory is when Jesus opens seal 1 the anti Christ gets his crown and he goes to conquer and kill believers but during this time bible says many our Saved....Daniel 11:33 and they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days..... So obviously the Holy Spirit is still convicting people after the anti Christ has been revealed .so the restrainer cant be as you claim.
When Jesus opens the first seal in revelation then the barrier is removed for the lawless one to be revealed the man of sin and revelation say Jesus alone is worthy to open the seal hence its Jesus who restrains by that seal till the seal is open and taken out of the way
True Colors - Pace be with you. Why do you use Jesus instead of Christ? Jesus was a man. Christ is a Spirit. Christ will again appear to man to show man how he denied him since man was born. Man is only told of Christ, and man only speaks of Christ, but man believes Jesus is Christ, yet Christ is your Father, the Holy One whom dwells in all mankind, in the most high place of your temple. His name was changed from the old testament, but our living God has many names. And if man does not know his God living within him, man is considered antichrist. As such, the dead in Christ will rise first. Man is the walking dead until he finds his God that dwells within him. Jesus taught that. Or was "I AM the Way" thought to be Jesus words instead of He who sent Jesus? Was Jesus message that difficult to understand, or did people choose to go with the disciples who didn't get what Jesus was teaching? Our God did not make things complicated, but he did say he would confound man in man's reasoning. Our God gave us One mind, yet this world has many. These books in the bible all tell us the same thing yet we cannot recognize it because man looks outward rather than inward. The living God within knows our thoughts. He knows our desires whether they be for him or for Satan. And from what my LORD has witnessed with me, this world is lost. This world is deceived. But man can return to his God who gives eternal life. It is all written in those books. The Holy Spirit of Eternity, or Christ, if you will, is your savior. He dwells within. There is no other god before Him. Seek the living water. Peace be with you.
Did you forget that it is written that God would give people dreams and visions before that Great Day of the Lord. We as Christians should know that God's ways are not our ways. He choose who He wants to reveal things to. He usually chooses not the popular persons.
There is no RAPTURE before the tribulation (please provide scriptures to support this rapture scenario before the tribulation)...
Matt 24:29... "immediately AFTER the tribulation..." please go READ yourself!
Believers & unbelievers alike will go through the tribulation.
Verse 30... "then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky..."
The 6 virgin scripter is one of the exemples of rapture
The day of the Lord is different from the great tribulation.
Many will not recognize him. Because the church is a respecter of persons. And they love to adore men. And they're looking for the wrong signs. There is no rapture. There is a gathering in the air after the tribulation, on the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is gained through tribulation. But the church today teaches we will be taken out of it. They do lie.
Jesus said the tears are gathered first. Not the wheat. He also commands that his angels that they not gather any until the Harvest at the end period at the last trump.
The verses that are taken out of context do not support a pre-tribulation rapture. To say to the church at Smyrna that they will be kept from the hour of temptation, temptation is not Tribulation. And to say we are not appointed to God's Wrath is true. But the tribulation is not God's Wrath on his people.
Let no man deceive you. Every eye shall see me.
Ezekiel 13:19
Short answer: NO. Long answer: NO . Read Scripture
My pastor taught, "Use some critical thinking. The bible says, 'pray that he will find you worthy to ESCAPE...' That doesn't sound like Jesus is going to let his BRIDE SUFFER! Who would want to marry a man that does not demonstrate that he will protect her!" - Jesus takes his bride (wife) home and then the anti-Christ comes on the scene to "explain" the dissapearence of millions of people. As it is written, (paraphrased) "You will know the SIGNS of the end times: earthquakes in diverse places, the sea roaring, etc... (taking place all at the same time) When you see this GET READY, his return is NEAR!"
Lots of good points.
The rapture is when they deny God in flesh, many beleive he does not come in flesh...im here
Please just focus on being faithful & obedient to Jesus , then who is or isn't the Anti Christ doesn't matter. Trust & obey & you won't be side tracked.
Thank you for this. I believe that we are currently experiencing the "Babylon Whirlwind Prophecy"
what good is it to have all these men share the same view. In short, all of these men are wrong with their view
Unless you ARE the antichrist, it doesn't matter. Stay faithful to God and the Son, Yeshua. Rapture, war, decadence...doesn't matter. Quit trying to guess these things and just be faithful. Yeshua said this..
Clearly 2 Thessalonians 2:3 tells us the rapture will not take place until a falling away takes place, and the man of sin be revealed
YES INDEED
The Party (last edit 7/5/2017)
Imagine that on Saturday you make a reservation with one of the entertainment facilities that provides for children. You plan a party for your child and his friends. You pay the fee and the appointed time is set for one week away early on Saturday morning. You tell your child that there is a party planned for him and his friends. You do not tell him the exact appointment time. You want him to go about his activities and be motivated by the hope of going to the party. You tell him to invite his friends.
The child is curious and impatient and asks when the party will start. You do not tell him the exact time but say that there are some other things that must happen first and the party will happen at the appointment time. “You have to go to school first and study your lessons. Other things are going to happen first, especially on the day before the party.” Then you tell the child what some of the other things are and especially those things that will take place on the day before the party.
Some of your child’s friends find out about the planned party. Their imaginations run wild. They tell your child that the party could happen at any time. They think it is imminent. Your child says, “No, it is not going to happen at just any moment. It will happen at the appointment time. That is what my father told me and I believe him”
Late on Friday, the day before the party, the friends say to the child, “Now the party can start at any time because all the things your father said would happen have already happened. It is imminent.”
The child responded, “There is one thing my father said would happen on the day before the party that has not yet been revealed. So it is not imminent. My father always tells the truth. One more thing must happen today then the party will be at the appointed time tomorrow.”
This story of the party is the story of the rapture. An incorrect teaching and belief that the Lord’s Kingdom was imminent actually took place while Jesus was still on the earth after His resurrection ! It is recorded in our Bibles. In my 40 years of Bible study I’ve never heard one sermon or one teaching about it. Not even in prophecy studies !
In John chapter 21 verses 15-23, Jesus is drawing Peter to follow Him. Peter tries to change the subject and speaks of John who is there and says, “What about this man?”
In a polite way Jesus in effect tells him forget about John this is between me and you.
The exact words in verse 22 are
“If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow me.”
This caused a false belief and teaching by the very Apostles themselves! They began to teach that Jesus would return before John would die. In other words they were teaching that the return of Christ was imminent.
This was an incorrect teaching and God dealt with it by having John correct it in the writings we have in our Bibles in the book of John. Verse 22 has the Lord’s words that were misinterpreted.
The very next verse, verse 23, makes the correction. It says,
“Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”
The incorrect teaching of the Lord’s return being imminent crept into the church early in its history. It was even believed and taught by the very Apostles themselves. God corrected that error and recorded it in our Bibles. Why did God bother to record it for us to read in our day?
Perhaps it was because He knew that near the time of Christ’s return the incorrect teaching of it being imminent would once again be a problem.
The return of Christ to resurrect His Church and to rapture the living believers has never been imminent throughout the history of the Church. Consider just a few of the things that had to happen before Christ would return. Peter would die a martyr’s death by being crucified. Jesus told him this on the same occasion that is recorded in John chapter 21 that we just looked at.
The temple would be destroyed. Israel would be destroyed as a nation and the survivors scattered throughout the world. Gentiles would control Jerusalem until close to the time of the Lord’s return. Israel would once again become a nation. Israel would regain control of Jerusalem.
The gospel would be preached in all the world. The nations surrounding Israel would unite together in calling for her destruction. There would be a falling away from God and from the truth of His teachings.
That brings us up to today. During none of those over 1900 years has the Lord’s return been imminent. It could not happen at just any time. All of the events mentioned above and others had to be completed before the appointed time for the return would come.
It has been taught for the past many decades that all events foretold to happen before the Lord’s return have taken place and He could return at any moment. That is not true. There is at least one major event that must take place before the Lord’s return for the resurrection and rapture. Even after that event the exact day and hour of the Lord’s return will not be known to us. It will take place at the appointed time.
We have a prophetic verse that tells us of two things that must happen before the resurrection of the Church and the rapture. One of those things is the ‘falling away.’ This is the falling away from God in general and in the falling away from teaching the true doctrines of the Bible. We can see that falling away taking place today.
Before looking at the second thing that must take place before the resurrection and rapture lets look at the situation with the Church at Thessalonica. Paul had been there and helped them. While he was there he taught them about the resurrection and rapture. After he left, someone by letter or word convinced the Church there that they had missed the resurrection and rapture. In other words they had been ‘left behind.’ In his second letter to Timothy, Paul identified two men who were falsely teaching that ‘the resurrection is already past: and they overthrow the faith of some.’ See 2 Timothy 2:17-18. This was a very serious problem.
As you can imagine, the Church at Thessalonica was very upset about this and wrote to Paul asking for help. Paul told them God would ‘repay with tribulation those who trouble you.’
In chapter 2 verses 1-3 Paul tells them that two things that had not yet happened in their time had to happen before the resurrection and rapture.
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed....
So the two things Paul told them that had not happened yet were 1. the falling away and 2. the man of sin must be revealed. In verse 5 he reminds them that he taught them these things when he was with them. See how easy it is for Church members to be lead astray by false teaching?
In our time the falling away is taking place. The man of sin (the Antichrist that Paul goes on to talk about in the rest of chapter 2) has not yet been revealed. These verses show us that the Antichrist must be revealed before the resurrection and rapture of the church.
Some would argue that the verse that tells us no man knows the day or the hour prevents this from being true. No it doesn’t. The Antichrist can be revealed and then there can be some amount of time before the 7 year peace plan is made and begins. During that time the resurrection and rapture can take place and no one will know what day it is going to be.
So what is the danger of the incorrect teaching that the rapture is imminent and no events remain before it can take place? Remember Paul said of those who were teaching that they overthrew the faith of some. Think about it. Today if a man came on the scene who was clearly the Antichrist and recognized by Christians what would they think?
Many would think they had been ‘left behind’ just like the people at Thessalonica. It would trouble them and it might even ‘overthrow’ their faith. Some might turn their back on their faith. Some might commit suicide. Who knows all the harm it might cause.
Look closely at what Paul said about this ‘man of sin.’ It says he must be revealed. What he does not say is just as important. Paul did not say he must be in power yet or have made a 7 year peace treaty with Israel yet. Only that he must be revealed. Think about it this way. Every 4 years the US elects a new president. The election takes place in November and the winner is revealed. The winner becomes known to everyone. Yet the winner does not take office until some time later in January. It is only then that he has power to do things. Perhaps that is the way it will be when the Antichrist is revealed.
So dear brother or sister in Christ, if you are around when the Antichrist is revealed do not panic. You have not been ‘left behind.’ Remember the Church at Thessalonica and what God had to say to them through Paul. Once the Man of Sin is revealed then the rapture will take place sometime before the Abomination of Desolation. Read Mark 13 - that is when our Lord Jesus says the Tribulation will begin.
Jesus own words .... the rapture is AFTER the tribulation.... matt 24:29-31
Anti-Christ is anyone who doesn't believe in Christ as the messiah.
Preach it brothers
Go read Matthew 24 in context. You will find out that you will be hated by all nations, imprisoned, and killed. Then immediately after the tribulation, Jesus comes back, takes his bride away, and then pours out judgement on the world. The tribulation is meant to purify and refine his bride. He doesn't want fair weather believers who aren't willing to suffer for him getting an easy ride out. So if you don't want to go through the tribulation, resist corruption, deception, oppression, and tyranny!
2 Thess 2:1-3.“ Paul tells the people that the coming of the Lord comes after the falling away and the man of sin is revealed. Paul tells Thess. because they’re concerned that they’ve missed Jesus’ return and rapture of the saints; one event. Paul gives Thess. 2 identifying events to look for that occurs before the Lord comes; one is the revealing of the lawless one.
In addition Revelation 13 gives symbolism that refers to beast, tells you to let him that has wisdom calculate the number of the beast. Yes, the saints can know before the “rapture.”
A number of the quotes the presenters use, such at 0:35 sec. appears to be out of context to the question and answers they’re talking.
There's a lot of controversy with the idea of the rapture, some people think Christians are gonna go through the tribulation aswell but God is gonna keep us safe I think its called the mid-tribulation and the idea of Christians gonna get caught up to be with Christ before the tribulation starts is the pre-tribulation. Incase anyone doesn't know.
Question: In Revelation, did John see visions in a similar manner to Joseph and Daniel, or did he actually see the future? I'm leaning towards the former.
John wasnt dreaming - he was awake and had visions, and spoke with an angel.
Hope that helps. 😊💛
While wasting precious time debating go and find these lost souls family friends the non believer we will not be deceived if you know the true word of God, we are responsible to know what is written so many listen to man God tells us to fear not for he is with us whatever happens.
Look Jesus hands have nails...Jesus comes after satan revealed Thess...1&2...
if we did, wouldn't that prove everything and no one would receive the mark? common sense is strong here
I think the whole world will be able to. Suave guy shows up with the answer to all the world’s problems. Demands the world uses one currency and you can’t buy or sell without the mark. I’m not even religious but I think I will be able to identify him.
They will recognise him....Matthew 24 and 2Thess 2:1 - 5
There are videos out there saying Jesus Christ already returned 2000 years ago, 70AD ?????
Split a piece of wood, and I am there;
Lift a stone, and you will find me
2 Thessalonians 2: 7 is not talking about he rapture; it is talking about the restrainer being taken out of the way NOT THE CHURCH
The church is the restrainer because the Holy spirit acts as it through us. We are the light and salt of the earth. A dark world can't come around with lights still lit.
So many prideful arguments.How about shutting up and go pray,oh and go pray for yourselves!
And pray for the false teachers in this video, that Yeshua would shut their mouths and bring them to their knees in repentance!
Old men in suits talking crap for cash. The sheep keep watching as they can't think for themselves.
Break out from what you've been told and look again.
What are you doing here and why assume peppe can't think for themselves? I suspect you yourself are in danger of being left behind...and worse!!!
Wow....some of us are in for a rude awakening.
Craig Taylor, You got that right, there is too many following the wrong path. The blind leading the blind and they both fall in the ditch. That's why we need to stay prayed up and always looking up.
These guys are fools just read Revelation 6 and 7 and you don't have to count on people like this to confuse you it's really simple that's why it's called The Book of Revelation to reveal what's coming ahead come on people get it together!!!!
Exactly. You will need this to overcome.
Here is how to count the number of the beast. You must be in the KJV Bible to get the correct translation. The number of the beast is 313 and not 666. Must unveil the word number SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX to get the hidden manna.
Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
God didn't say the number is 666. God said the number is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX and to count it. In order to count the number we must assign a number to each letter in SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX and add it up to get the number of the beast. Once we have the number then we match it to a man name. We use simple English gematria to assign a number to each letter in the alphabet.
Simple English Gematra A=1----------Z=26
SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX = 19+9+24 + 8+21+14+4+18+5+4 + 20+8+18+5+5+19+3+15+18+5 + 1+14+4 + 19+9+24 = 313
VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN = 22+12+1+4+9+13+9+18 + 22+12+1+4+9+13+9+18+15+22+9+3+8 + 16+21+20+9+14 = 313
God said count the number so we have 26 letters in the number. We need to count TWENTY AND SIX to get his birth date.
TWENTY =107 AND=19 SIX=52
TWENTY = 20+23+5+14+20+25 = 107
AND = 1+14+4 = 19
SIX = 19+9+24 = 52
10-7-1952 President Putin birth date and is the beast of Rev.13:18
Pope Francis has the same number and is the false prophet. He became the Pope on 3-13-2013 which is the number of the beast 313.
Go to the following site for the song that we sing that no man can learn except the 144000.
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Jesus gets all the glory and credit!!!
The bible says not to call any man a fool. Matthew 5:22.
kathie ellis you're doing exactly what they're doing taking one verse out of the Bible instead of reading the whole thing and getting the entire context out of it Matthew 5:22 says without a cause not to call a man a fool but these guys are entirely wrong about the rapture that's why I called them fools because the Saints meaning the saved or the church will be here for the tribulation read Revelation 6 and 7 or Matthew 24 it's pretty clear we're not leaving with God until the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation seal number 6 is complete.
EEL YEOJ lol whoa thats alot of info but thnks I'll look into it🙏
And just skip right over 5:9 where it tells us the beasts are the REDEEMED, and they were there before the seals and trumpets.
Don't forget Isaiah 26:19 -21
I agree. We will be here for the 7 trumpets, but not the 7 bowls of Gods wrath, Paul says that, "For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ". There is a difference in perseverance thru tribulation and the suffering of the 7 bowls of God's punishment on the wicked, one is a period of testing, the other is a period of his justice and punishment. I believe Job and Psalms also references this,
" From six calamities he will rescue you; in seven no harm will touch you." And
"A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you.
You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you say, “The LORD is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent."
I'd also recommend the understanding of Revelation 12 as further scripture to back this up.
The woman that gives birth is the heavenly Jerusalem. There is no other "mother" Paul describes. "All your children will be taught by the Lord, and great will be their peace".
This mother delivers a son, this fulfills Isaiah 66, as Paul states "but the Jerusalem that IS ABOVE (👆) is free AND SHE IS OUR MOTHER". Paul quotes Isaiah 54 as scriptural proof of his statement, but the prophecy about the mother does not stop there, that is a continuous theme until the end of the book of Isaiah, which comes to the point of birth, she delivers a son that is also referenced as nation and a country, (you are all one IN CHRIST). Read Isaiah 66, it's singular AND plural.
Jump ahead to revelation 12, the woman (12 tribes as a crown, clothed in the glory of God, with SATAN under her feet) delivers a son that is caught up to heaven, I challenge you to find another reference to the very definition of rapture any where else.
Immediately after that, the heavens break out in war, this reminds me of the prophecy of Ezekiel to "the vast army", the valley of dry bones that is brought back to life.
Satan is THEN and ONLY then, cast down for good with his angels. Then the beast appears.
As for our mother, Heavenly Jerusalem, PLEASE understand this, "a man will leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become 1 flesh, this is a PROFOUND MYSTERY, but I am speaking of CHRIST and the CHURCH, (BODY)".
This is my understanding of Paul's mystery.
A man, (the life giving spirit, the 2nd Adam of 1 Cor. 15) will leave his mother and father, (God and the heavenly Jerusalem), and be joined to his wife, (spirit and body, married to the spirit, the bride), and the two shall become 1, Paul repeatedly tries to illustrate marriage as how the spirit and flesh are one, the flesh acts out and performs what the spirit desires, (the woman you put here with me deceived me and I ate); (the SPIRIT is willing, but the FLESH is WEAK).
GOD BLESS
There is no such person called "the Antichrist". It's the Beast and False Prophet of Revelation 19:20.
Search: Antichrist scriptures
They come right up, ...you'll be shocked
I agree... it's not the Antichrist .. it's false prophet and the beast. because if the person is against to Christ that is Antichrist. we are waiting for false prophet which is pope to declare himself as God not the Antichrist
our salt and light.
I can't believe all of them said "No." But then again, I can. #doctrine 😏
Well many people including me have got dreams of a pre trib rapture , not one has got or dreamt of a post trib rapture
Will Christians be able to identify the Antichrist before the rapture? One could look back and ask the question: Did the Jews identify the Messiah when He came?" Most of them knew about the coming of the Messiah foretold in the old Testament. But when Christ came, He was not "the kind of Messiah" they were expecting to see ....
This men are good Brothers!
Ed... You are a distinguished looking gentleman. Take my advice. You do not need that hair piece.🙄😍
But perhaps he wants it. And with that in mind, why should he take your advice?
You can't cherry pick scripture you have to go by the context of the word not cut and paste it together to make it say anything you want it to say
Yes any Christian will recognize him
That must exclude you 😉
Rapture? I call BS on that theory.
Satan is restrained now because he has 42 months that are for him to proclaim he is God. Until then he is restrained by God. But none the less, he will be revealed before the great gathering takes place. This is biblical, no reason for teaching otherwise.
Russ Bell // Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:15-20
This is why I think almost all of today's prophecy teachers have it wrong -
they do not understand what is meant by THE DAY OF THE LORD.
It causes them to interpret 2nd Thess incorrectly.
Those believes were scared - they thought they had missed the ressurection and rapture of the Church -and been left behind. If day of the Lord meant when Jesus comes to rule the world those believers would have been rejoicing that Jesus was back and not have been afraid.
So Paul told them 2 things had to happen first before the rapture. They were 2 things those believers could confirm for themselves - One - there must be a falling away - an apostasy - they church was growing and not falling away. Two- the Man of Sin must be revealed - and they knew that had not happened.
Read my other post about THE PARTY for more details.
The ones who know there are many against jesus. John said even now many have come. Read your bibles
With what I am about to say is just pure opinion with some bible knowledge. I think the best way for Christians to identifying the anti christ is first to know God and Jesus Christ. What they are like and how they are.
This alone will help you know as far who is the real Jesus and who is fake in the days that the anti christ will reign.
very good
Last day
These poor guys are teaching a false doctrine straight up, they are cherry picking scripture
According to the book of Daniel the restrainer is Micheal not H.S. during the tribulation there will be those saved during it too so the Holy Spirit can't be taken out. Without the Holy Spirit no one can be saved.
The bible clearly states the description of ac.
Anyone know who the restrainer is? These guys don’t!
+Truth Warrior The "restrainer", to use your un-KJV term, is GOD. God allows or disallows everything. And He allows the man of sin to continue UNTIL HE is cast into the lake of fire by Jesus.
Leslie Kendall specifically to 2 Thessalonians 2
+Truth Warrior What did I just say? The passage of 2 Thess 2 is talking about THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY. The word "restrain" is NOT in the KJV. The word used is "letteth". [God] who letteth, will letteth [INIQUITY] continue until HE, THE MAN OF SIN, is taken out of the way. It's NOT a rapture verse. Unless you believe that iniquity will stop after the church is gone.
Leslie Kendall oh, ok you agree the restrainer is the Antichrist, well then you’re correct!
+Truth Warrior There's something wrong with your brain, I think. The word "restrainer" is NOT IN THE PASSAGE.
These aren't really pastors!
Typical ignorance of the modern apostate Church. Heartbreaking.
what will Antichrist do?
Absolutely right.
The answer is YES! This according to 2 Thess. 2:1-4. The Church will still be here to identify the Antichrist.
are you being saved??
#Watchman-Of-The-Apocalypse# What kind of a question is that? Please don't waste my time! If you have a legitimate question, then ask it.
It was only a Question. no hard feelings.
Do you know who the restrainer is?
+Why do you people allow them to use the term anti-Christ when there are TWO beasts and they don't know which is which?
The Bible tells us how the restrainer is removed-by the fallen away.Another words we remove the restrainer by remov
Yes they will
No such thing as a pretribulation rapture
TriceyDiva💋: God bless your thinking faculty. Everyone at that time will go through the fire. The saints will be purified. And unbelievers doomed forever
@@onelove6971 We are "purified" by being born again.
ilovecanines: true and producing fruits 🍇 🍊🍎in keeping with repentance. Holiness and sanctification
Wow...they don't care about what Yeshua said in Matthew 24:15-16 (NJB)
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‘So when you see the appalling abomination, of which the prophet Daniel spoke, set up in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judaea must escape to the mountains;
The catching away follows this, as stated in Matthew 24:30-31 (NJB)
30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven; then, too, all the peoples of the earth will beat their breasts; and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
They read Chapter and Verse on;y from Darby and Scofields notes...how sad.
There's a falling away first ( rapture). The restrainer is the church. Therefore the anti christ comes after.
Yeah considering the Bible says in reference to the second coming 2 Thes. 2 says that time will not come unless there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed" so we will ni it be raptured before the antichrist comes to power and proclaims himself God.
The revelation of Jesus Christ is in two stages, first coming and then second coming, so it is possible the revealing of Antichrist is in two stages too, one prior to rapture, and one after the rapture.