Not to mention no Epic Voice guy. This game is awesome, but it's just not the same as when that gravely, baratone voice chimes in every so often with... 'Hello, Commander...'
Vallkyria chronicles has been doing the whole aiming in a tactics game thing for years and years. Sucks that series never really got the love it deserved
Maybe i'm wrong since i only played a little but wasn't the aiming completely superficial in that game? You still relied on percentages for actual hit probability.
@sinosleep007 Never got the love? Whatchutalkinboutwillis?? The mainline series got high scores across the board and it sold pretty well considering its niche market. A title doesnt spawn 4 sequels by being shit. Do yourself a favour and do some research before making ignorant comments. 🤦🏻♂️
The ideas were much more experiemntal and many of them ended up stronger, but it was also very obvious it had like 20% of the budget. I don't think they could have made it better for the money, but it really goes to show why overwhelmingly games competing with XCOM choose to go for the stripped-down approach, since you can't beat the budget.
@@ThePafciu I think with all the bugs and crashes in this game and it basically being an unfinished soulless mess, it should have taken at least one of those 3 minutes. People, stay away from this game until all the DLCs are out and the devs patched it up.
Game-breaking bugs I've seen so far: 1. When you reload, your spare magazine gets consumed, but you get no bullets. 2. Free aim will show you missing a soldier in your line of fire but you will hit them anyway. 3. Free aim will show you missing obstacles but make you shoot into them anyway. 4. Enemies just barely in the field of view of overwatch will fail to trigger it.
@@evlfck No, shit but read what I wrote carefully. The magazine was consumed but there were *no bullets*. Not remaining bullets consumed but gun was full. There was *no bullets* as in *gun was still empty* after a reload. Also, if the outer circle is 100% then why does it shoot into your soldiers/obstacles in your line of sight when the circle is *not touching* them? If you are going to accuse me of lying, then watch the playthrough by xwynns or learn to read English.
I don’t know terror from the deep sucked so I am thinking maybe apocalypse since we have mega city’s and now all we need is a horrible disaster to ruin the earth
Best reiterate what I mean the atmosphere was good but some of those missions SLOGED on two stage terror attack on a cruse liner was in bearable you could lose a whole squad to a bad spawn
@@Earl_of_York Those can definitely be fixed, Firaxis certainly wasn't perfectly faithful to gameplay in enemy unknown, no reason they should be with a game set in the TFTD era, timing wise it's just about perfect, with original TFTD occuring in 2044. The big thing will be the Eldritch horror atmosphere.
Being a huge fan of the original X-Com UFO Defense from 1992 - this looks better to me than the latest Firaxis XCOM that is too simplified to my liking. However, I'm NOT buying anything on the Epic store, so waiting for a potential Steam release.
The game is not as slickly designed as the fraxis xcom series, but it has waaay more depth and the tactical battle feel more like the ebb and flow of a firefight, with having to pivot from destroyed cover and pulling your guys back during a fight to get med treatment. The later missions can be brutal, but if you build up your team smart, you can keep that from feeling punishing. Minibosses are a interesting trick that feel hard till you figure out the trick. Most of the complaints non bug related that i see, are from not accounting to the options available to you. A number of bugs are annoying but the only real complaints that hold up are the early game is not engaging enough, the lack of a physical contrast of night and day in tactical maps (it does it under the hood which hurts the palpable tension you felt in the original), and finally the lack of directional spotting (the covering fire system somewhat brings this aspect back to life, but spinning your unit around to get 360 awareness in the original XCOM was something i missed a little.
@@paperplanes101 No animated cutscenes like in XCOM. Only still images and text done in grainy, uninspired art style. Soldiers have no bios, move jankily, and spew out apathetic dialogue in battle. Music tries to go for suspense and mystery not epicness but ends up diluting the impact of what should be intense battles. XCOM 2 is miles ahead in this regard.
You probably haven't played it long enough. The game is build on a meta of multi-classing into OP chains of abilities, the whole "tactics" thing is there just for few hours at the start, the rest of the game is "let me find a new way to abuse abilities and cheese ai into submission". This is not even a balance problem but a lazy design where adding abilities is less work than adding new items to use/research or new features to deepen gameplay.
@@JackIsNotInTheBox actually, if your base gets attacked you see how everything really is, I dont know why they didnt explore it more. If you build an infirmary next to a power room, the map will be exactly that. Anyway, base building in XCOM was much better really, the same could be said regarding so many other aspects of this game.
I don't game nearly as much as I used to (in fact i probably watch more youtube about gaming than actually game), so excuse me if I'm out of the loop: why won't people just use the Epic launcher? I know they're a huge company now and they own fortnite. Sure it's irritating to have to put in another launcher: that was already becoming a thing when I was still heavily gaming on PC. But that can't be enough of a reason on its own. I didn't think Epic was that shitty a company, as companies go, but am I wrong here? I imagine it has to be a moral reason why you won't play on their platform, right?
@@disdeg9514 because no one likes the kid who thinks that he can win the competition by buying the trophy. If they want to compete with steam they better improve their store instead of counting on paying developers loads of money to make their games exclusive on their store.
@@disdeg9514 Epic Games makes much better deals for the developers, giving them a significantly higher share of the income for the sale of the games they made. People that cry about it are just videogame store loyalist nerds. Ignore them.
@@VNdoug Losing player base does nothing long term for the developers. Breaking initial promises of access also is negative for the developer. Plenty of negatives to the epic game store being an inferior platform. Not as though the games will not come out on steam, people will wait for it to come out on sale on steam as the hype will have all died down. This will mean even less money for the developer. The advantage of boycotting Epic is for the long term benefit of the gamers themselves. So what benefits of the Epic game store can you list for gamers themselves?
Best to wait until the Beta of EGS is over and it comes to Steam. Very buggy with some issues in the core gameplay. You'll get a much more enjoyable experience after the patches and bug fixing.
Thank GOD the base-building aspect is gone. I remember in X-Com 1 there was ONE SINGLE base layout that was objectively the best in every aspect and if you didn't build towards it from the beginning you effectively gimped yourself in the later parts.
@@Lord_of_Dread But the different bases had bonuses to adjacent ones and only to specific ones too. In order to take maximum advantage of these bonuses you needed to build your base in a very specific layout so that all the bonuses actually took effect and the bases could influence each other in the right way.
@@CountCocofang I think we have a confusion on what game is being talked about. UFO: enemy unknown (AKA X-Com: UFO defense) was released in 97' and had multiple bases. There weren't bonuses for multiples of the same structure being adjacent, though the defense meta was pretty set in stone. In UFO you really could get away with having multiple bases for different purposes (2-3 combat bases for different continents, a science base, a manufacturing stuff for money base, a storage base or two, etc.) in fact having only a single base was one of the hardest challenges you could attempt. In XCOM Enemy Unknown (the one released in 2012) you had only 1 base, with a 7x4 grid to build your base facilities in, the middle column always had your access lifts. In that one you did get adjacency bonuses for different "classes" of building (eg. Workshops, the Foundry and the Cybernetics lab, or the Satellite buildings). XCOM 2 also has only a single base, and basically functions like EU(2012) but with changes to how scientists and engineers are handled.
@@spectolder8536 you're probably right, I was born after the millennium so I have trouble keeping alot of the years straight, 1977 being the single exception, because that's when Star Wars came out.
@@Michaentus where to start... Enemies constantly spawning in objects and thus can't be killed, the game not recognizing when some enemies are killed, enemies able to hit me when they shouldn't, elite enemies spawning next to me at the beginning thus wiping my whole team, being attacked from invisible enemies... just to name a few 😏
well I was thinking of getting it but its not on steam so thanks for making my decision for me at least Ill save money and keep playing xenonauts or Xcom2
We don't put scores because the reviews are quick and don't have the allotted time to cover every basis, so it would not be fair to give a numbered score.
This game makes XCOM 2 look like the best game ever. 1. It lacks personality. No animated cutscenes, memorable set pieces, or soldier bios. Faction system is clumsy. Voice acting and music are trash. 2. It is unbalanced. Enemies gain power much faster than you do and difficulty seems more tied to RNG than actual stage in the game. You can easily get an unwinnable game even at lower difficulties by failing to do things the game does not explain well. 3. New combat features (high unit HP, armor, free-aim) all work against you. Free-aim can be buggy and not shoot where you tell it to. Enemy durability can make you straight up unable to damage them but game fails to properly prepare you for these challenges. 4. Performance is really bad.
I am sorry but since when did having a percent to hit get ceded by a crosshair that does not give you the information in a clear way? I mean 1:31 is that a 30% to hit is it even worth considering the shot? Seams tedious and simply stupid I want some information on the chances that hit misses and the poor sods gonna get rofl stomped
Add to that the crosshairs straight up lie to you. I've seen bullets going into obstacles the aiming said would be avoided. Since soldiers no longer automatically duck you can end up shooting them too.
@@Earl_of_York They don't duck. If a soldier is in your line of sight and free aim says you won't hit them the bullets will still hit them. XCOM lets you shoot right past your soldiers. How this huge step back can be considered "revolutionary" is amazing...
Yeah, I've been thinking I'm generally unimpressed with series because it's so by the numbers/formulaic... Which by itself makes me question any objectivity from the reviewer... But this is just sad. Well, I guess as long as they stay in 2k's good graces one less viewer won't hurt them.
@@drdca8263 competition would imply they were competing with other platforms with sales that undercut one another, not just making every PC game exclusive to their store and forcing you to buy games there
Keith D. Aren’t many pc games exclusive to the steam store? My concern is that if steam is the only major store of its kind, then there is less recourse if steam/valve decides to do some bad stuff, like excluding some good games for arbitrary reasons. My point is not limited to the price of the games. Now, one could wait and only start supporting an alternate platform if steam actually ends up doing some bad stuff like that, but that seems like it would produce a too slow slow response to be a solution that appeals to me.
It's a 3 minute review so he didn't mention that the game is horribly unbalanced; there's no real reason to use anything other than sniper builds, missions you take can fail on turn 1 because the game spawns a horde of enemies on the objective you're supposed to retrieve/protect, enemies clip out of the map and become unkillable, enemies move and attack through cover etc.. And the Keyboard&Mouse controls are horrible (Notice that the reviewer is playing on a gamepad). Good thing we have Epic game store people to beta test for us eh?
This game will make you miss the in mission voice acting of your troops
Oh you can't even hear the banter through the obnoxious looping music it play.
Not to mention no Epic Voice guy. This game is awesome, but it's just not the same as when that gravely, baratone voice chimes in every so often with... 'Hello, Commander...'
Vallkyria chronicles has been doing the whole aiming in a tactics game thing for years and years. Sucks that series never really got the love it deserved
Maybe i'm wrong since i only played a little but wasn't the aiming completely superficial in that game? You still relied on percentages for actual hit probability.
@@tsartomato it's reaction fire you fucking idiot the enemies play by the exact same rules
@@tsartomato "like wow you are sad kid
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NOTHING PERSONEL KID
IM STEEL THE HEDGE HOG
@@tsartomato
Soooo what are you doing on a review on a turn based game kid? Smh no life?
Go play some cod kid, your gamer rage needs it.
@sinosleep007
Never got the love? Whatchutalkinboutwillis??
The mainline series got high scores across the board and it sold pretty well considering its niche market.
A title doesnt spawn 4 sequels by being shit.
Do yourself a favour and do some research before making ignorant comments. 🤦🏻♂️
It looks like an improved but somehow worse version of Xcom 2. 🤔
Accurate, i played it the big parts are better and deeper like the enemy and factions, but the combat missions and UI feel much clunkier.
The ideas were much more experiemntal and many of them ended up stronger, but it was also very obvious it had like 20% of the budget. I don't think they could have made it better for the money, but it really goes to show why overwhelmingly games competing with XCOM choose to go for the stripped-down approach, since you can't beat the budget.
You're not gonna mention the myriad of bugs?
you know 3 minutes is too small for the bugs in this game right?
@@1dood 'However, the game on launch has many bugs and glitches' - it takes less than 5 seconds to say it.
@@ThePafciu I think with all the bugs and crashes in this game and it basically being an unfinished soulless mess, it should have taken at least one of those 3 minutes. People, stay away from this game until all the DLCs are out and the devs patched it up.
Game-breaking bugs I've seen so far:
1. When you reload, your spare magazine gets consumed, but you get no bullets.
2. Free aim will show you missing a soldier in your line of fire but you will hit them anyway.
3. Free aim will show you missing obstacles but make you shoot into them anyway.
4. Enemies just barely in the field of view of overwatch will fail to trigger it.
@@evlfck No, shit but read what I wrote carefully. The magazine was consumed but there were *no bullets*. Not remaining bullets consumed but gun was full. There was *no bullets* as in *gun was still empty* after a reload. Also, if the outer circle is 100% then why does it shoot into your soldiers/obstacles in your line of sight when the circle is *not touching* them? If you are going to accuse me of lying, then watch the playthrough by xwynns or learn to read English.
This game looks like my kinda jam. I loved xcom 1 and especially 2.
XCOM is way better, but give it a shot. They solved a bunch of issues the game had, its much better now.
Well.. that's a pickle for Firaxis and potential XCom3 ... as they were clearly pointing to the oceans with their XC2 outro.
I don’t know terror from the deep sucked so I am thinking maybe apocalypse since we have mega city’s and now all we need is a horrible disaster to ruin the earth
I enjoyed tftd back in the day. The terror sites were great fun. It had some issues but I'd be interested in seeing a new version
Best reiterate what I mean the atmosphere was good but some of those missions SLOGED on two stage terror attack on a cruse liner was in bearable you could lose a whole squad to a bad spawn
@@Earl_of_York Those can definitely be fixed, Firaxis certainly wasn't perfectly faithful to gameplay in enemy unknown, no reason they should be with a game set in the TFTD era, timing wise it's just about perfect, with original TFTD occuring in 2044. The big thing will be the Eldritch horror atmosphere.
Being a huge fan of the original X-Com UFO Defense from 1992 - this looks better to me than the latest Firaxis XCOM that is too simplified to my liking.
However, I'm NOT buying anything on the Epic store, so waiting for a potential Steam release.
2:47 he must like playing as a hunter in destiny, because that is exactly what that is.
The game is not as slickly designed as the fraxis xcom series, but it has waaay more depth and the tactical battle feel more like the ebb and flow of a firefight, with having to pivot from destroyed cover and pulling your guys back during a fight to get med treatment. The later missions can be brutal, but if you build up your team smart, you can keep that from feeling punishing. Minibosses are a interesting trick that feel hard till you figure out the trick.
Most of the complaints non bug related that i see, are from not accounting to the options available to you. A number of bugs are annoying but the only real complaints that hold up are the early game is not engaging enough, the lack of a physical contrast of night and day in tactical maps (it does it under the hood which hurts the palpable tension you felt in the original), and finally the lack of directional spotting (the covering fire system somewhat brings this aspect back to life, but spinning your unit around to get 360 awareness in the original XCOM was something i missed a little.
David F so it’s xcom terror from the deep but actually good?
Loved the originals but screw the flying chrisallids and lobster men
The visuals seem to have a lukewarm reception overall and I've heard nothing but negative comments about the music and sound design
@@Earl_of_York Xcom Terror from the Deep was a product of its time. The game has interesting ideas but they don't work well and seem half baked.
@@paperplanes101 No animated cutscenes like in XCOM. Only still images and text done in grainy, uninspired art style. Soldiers have no bios, move jankily, and spew out apathetic dialogue in battle. Music tries to go for suspense and mystery not epicness but ends up diluting the impact of what should be intense battles. XCOM 2 is miles ahead in this regard.
You probably haven't played it long enough. The game is build on a meta of multi-classing into OP chains of abilities, the whole "tactics" thing is there just for few hours at the start, the rest of the game is "let me find a new way to abuse abilities and cheese ai into submission". This is not even a balance problem but a lazy design where adding abilities is less work than adding new items to use/research or new features to deepen gameplay.
The game feel cumbersome, man they need a help menu with all the system they add on.
Doesn't help that the wiki isn't exactly set up properly yet. Also no mod support
Yo that background music sounds familiar, is that Jukedeck?
I believe it's the same musician from the original X-Com UFO Defense/Enemy Unknown from 1992 or was it 93
I’m exited for the console version of the game.
interesting game.
It looks like a low-budget XCOM. But it may be interesting nevertheless. The menus turn me off quite a bit.
Yeah, base building is literally just putting pictures together LMAO
@@JackIsNotInTheBox actually, if your base gets attacked you see how everything really is, I dont know why they didnt explore it more. If you build an infirmary next to a power room, the map will be exactly that. Anyway, base building in XCOM was much better really, the same could be said regarding so many other aspects of this game.
Another game I might pick up if it comes to Steam.
Right? I heard epic games and was instantly uninterested.
I don't game nearly as much as I used to (in fact i probably watch more youtube about gaming than actually game), so excuse me if I'm out of the loop: why won't people just use the Epic launcher?
I know they're a huge company now and they own fortnite. Sure it's irritating to have to put in another launcher: that was already becoming a thing when I was still heavily gaming on PC. But that can't be enough of a reason on its own. I didn't think Epic was that shitty a company, as companies go, but am I wrong here? I imagine it has to be a moral reason why you won't play on their platform, right?
@@disdeg9514 because no one likes the kid who thinks that he can win the competition by buying the trophy. If they want to compete with steam they better improve their store instead of counting on paying developers loads of money to make their games exclusive on their store.
@@disdeg9514 Epic Games makes much better deals for the developers, giving them a significantly higher share of the income for the sale of the games they made.
People that cry about it are just videogame store loyalist nerds. Ignore them.
@@VNdoug Losing player base does nothing long term for the developers. Breaking initial promises of access also is negative for the developer. Plenty of negatives to the epic game store being an inferior platform. Not as though the games will not come out on steam, people will wait for it to come out on sale on steam as the hype will have all died down. This will mean even less money for the developer. The advantage of boycotting Epic is for the long term benefit of the gamers themselves. So what benefits of the Epic game store can you list for gamers themselves?
Good.
Best to wait until the Beta of EGS is over and it comes to Steam. Very buggy with some issues in the core gameplay. You'll get a much more enjoyable experience after the patches and bug fixing.
Sounds fantastic. Was hoping it would be good. Refuse to buy it after screwing the crowd funders by going epic exclusive
Cool.
you will be able to get it from Steam with all DLC after we finish all the testing with the current Epic Store version))
Thank GOD the base-building aspect is gone. I remember in X-Com 1 there was ONE SINGLE base layout that was objectively the best in every aspect and if you didn't build towards it from the beginning you effectively gimped yourself in the later parts.
@@Lord_of_Dread But the different bases had bonuses to adjacent ones and only to specific ones too. In order to take maximum advantage of these bonuses you needed to build your base in a very specific layout so that all the bonuses actually took effect and the bases could influence each other in the right way.
@@CountCocofang I think we have a confusion on what game is being talked about. UFO: enemy unknown (AKA X-Com: UFO defense) was released in 97' and had multiple bases. There weren't bonuses for multiples of the same structure being adjacent, though the defense meta was pretty set in stone. In UFO you really could get away with having multiple bases for different purposes (2-3 combat bases for different continents, a science base, a manufacturing stuff for money base, a storage base or two, etc.) in fact having only a single base was one of the hardest challenges you could attempt. In XCOM Enemy Unknown (the one released in 2012) you had only 1 base, with a 7x4 grid to build your base facilities in, the middle column always had your access lifts. In that one you did get adjacency bonuses for different "classes" of building (eg. Workshops, the Foundry and the Cybernetics lab, or the Satellite buildings). XCOM 2 also has only a single base, and basically functions like EU(2012) but with changes to how scientists and engineers are handled.
@@IrismonoYT Yeah, I was talking about Enemy Unknown, should've specified.
@@IrismonoYT Wasn`t it 1993?
@@spectolder8536 you're probably right, I was born after the millennium so I have trouble keeping alot of the years straight, 1977 being the single exception, because that's when Star Wars came out.
But "Phoenix Point" is such a cool name, though..
And PP is a even better acronym!
Soooo... no talking about all the bugs? Ok, only me?
What bugs did you get? Worked fine for me so far.
@@Michaentus where to start... Enemies constantly spawning in objects and thus can't be killed, the game not recognizing when some enemies are killed, enemies able to hit me when they shouldn't, elite enemies spawning next to me at the beginning thus wiping my whole team, being attacked from invisible enemies... just to name a few 😏
Would buy it but not if I can only get it on epic
Huh, sounds cool!
well I was thinking of getting it but its not on steam so thanks for making my decision for me at least Ill save money and keep playing xenonauts or Xcom2
It'll be on steam in a year. Also speaking of xenonauts, the remake xenonauts 2 is coming out in like a year or 2
@@ironboy3245 irony I just saw it on steam today... gess what Im getting :D
So if we could mix this with xcom 2, and then some long war qualities into one super game?..... then that would be something...
The one thing this series could use is a final score at the end of the video,
We don't put scores because the reviews are quick and don't have the allotted time to cover every basis, so it would not be fair to give a numbered score.
not one word about the bugs
This game makes XCOM 2 look like the best game ever.
1. It lacks personality. No animated cutscenes, memorable set pieces, or soldier bios. Faction system is clumsy. Voice acting and music are trash.
2. It is unbalanced. Enemies gain power much faster than you do and difficulty seems more tied to RNG than actual stage in the game. You can easily get an unwinnable game even at lower difficulties by failing to do things the game does not explain well.
3. New combat features (high unit HP, armor, free-aim) all work against you. Free-aim can be buggy and not shoot where you tell it to. Enemy durability can make you straight up unable to damage them but game fails to properly prepare you for these challenges.
4. Performance is really bad.
Only 30? I'll look for this when it hits ps4.
so this is just xcom again
The spiritual successor to xcom from the original creaters of xcom is in fact more xcom
More like X-Com, but sort of XCOM as well =)
I am sorry but since when did having a percent to hit get ceded by a crosshair that does not give you the information in a clear way?
I mean 1:31 is that a 30% to hit is it even worth considering the shot?
Seams tedious and simply stupid I want some information on the chances that hit misses and the poor sods gonna get rofl stomped
Add to that the crosshairs straight up lie to you. I've seen bullets going into obstacles the aiming said would be avoided. Since soldiers no longer automatically duck you can end up shooting them too.
MunkyDrag0n wait they don’t duck?
That explains a few things
@@Earl_of_York They don't duck. If a soldier is in your line of sight and free aim says you won't hit them the bullets will still hit them. XCOM lets you shoot right past your soldiers. How this huge step back can be considered "revolutionary" is amazing...
3 minute review takes 3:32. UNSUBSCRIBED.
j/k Keep up the good work.
We are generous people. We will accept 3:01 no problem. But don't push it! :D
why not mention how horribly unbalanced the game is?
How so? No need to be vague.
Well why didn't you?
What's the point of being so vague yourself
Just google the kotaku article on it.
I don't trust Kotaku for shit
Yeah, I've been thinking I'm generally unimpressed with series because it's so by the numbers/formulaic... Which by itself makes me question any objectivity from the reviewer... But this is just sad. Well, I guess as long as they stay in 2k's good graces one less viewer won't hurt them.
Why not say this game is broken bugfest dumpsterfire? DON'T BUY unless they patch it.
Because it is not?
Awwww. This means Yahtzee won't be reviewing it. I looked forward to another rant at crowdfunding.
Looks and feels like game for mobile phones. Not even close to XCOM2
You lost me at "epic game store".
I like competition; is there any particular grievance that you have with the epic games store other than it not being steam?
@Dahn yeah, point, I should just look it up, sorry to bother
@@drdca8263 competition would imply they were competing with other platforms with sales that undercut one another, not just making every PC game exclusive to their store and forcing you to buy games there
Keith D. Aren’t many pc games exclusive to the steam store?
My concern is that if steam is the only major store of its kind, then there is less recourse if steam/valve decides to do some bad stuff, like excluding some good games for arbitrary reasons.
My point is not limited to the price of the games.
Now, one could wait and only start supporting an alternate platform if steam actually ends up doing some bad stuff like that, but that seems like it would produce a too slow slow response to be a solution that appeals to me.
@@drdca8263 only half life and other games made by steam
It's a 3 minute review so he didn't mention that the game is horribly unbalanced; there's no real reason to use anything other than sniper builds, missions you take can fail on turn 1 because the game spawns a horde of enemies on the objective you're supposed to retrieve/protect, enemies clip out of the map and become unkillable, enemies move and attack through cover etc..
And the Keyboard&Mouse controls are horrible (Notice that the reviewer is playing on a gamepad).
Good thing we have Epic game store people to beta test for us eh?
Getting pretty tired of hearing about interesting games that won't get a steam release
Well not an initial Steam release. This will still be on Steam next year (and yes I feel your pain, I want this too).
The game suck IMO.
This 3 minute review format is so bland...