Flash did a VERY good job to win this from so far behind... 3 base vs 6 base should be an absolute defeat, but he managed to slow push his way through. However, I think a lot of it was more from Bisu's mistakes. Flash did well to minimize the damage from the Reaver drop, which reduced Bisu's Robotics investment into nothing more than a temporary contain, which he used well to expand. But from there, he stuck to Zealots and Dragoons. He needed High Templars and Psi Storm to seal the win.
@marty536 The beginning he was losing after he got gas stolen and was forced to go marines with late factories. But then he brought it back. Such a champion.
@llmbs Yeah... Vultures are dirt cheap compared to the damage the can potentially deal... It's unreal... Spend a few hundred on them, drop a crapload of mines, and you have map control until they get detection. By then you're up on eco and can reinforce critical positions with a mass of Siege Tanks. That's exactly what Flash did here. He was being pressured in his front choke, so he used Vultures to stall the position, then reinforced it until he had enough to push out.
yeah no doubt that was a long era of winning by that tactic by the winner ... took a long time till they found out how to deal with it he just controls the units so well...
@huntercross14 because from the looks of it, SC2 has been made noob-friendly. SC2 automates a lot of things that players used to do manually = = but they may eventually switch over like some of the other progamers did, who knows
@Oreoclan Yeap. I deal with this all the time. Reaver harrass and dt drops seems pointless to me. If it fails chances are your going to be behind. Terran usually sets up a turret to stop all shuttle drops, then they proceed to tank massing with vultures for instant map control. I know this game is way old but vultures are OP imo. Im tired of dicking around with goons trying to clear mine fields this is where i start losing
@vicioso82 I didnt say Jamb was better than bisu.. but Jamb is one of the bests at using Templars, Flash 99% of the time when he go to defensive 2/3bases DO TIME ATTACKS, Bisu could have done easily 1 recall on top but he didnt.. Templars is one of the best weapons against Time Terran attacks
Dunno. Guys. I am toss player. So I hear ya on - vulture + tanks strategy... Seems REALLY imbalanced. I feel the pain every single time. However, having seen some Stork and Bisu games against other terran players. We can say the same thing about toss... Rever drops = huge economy damage. Pri Storms can wipe out mass units like crazy + arbiter recall AND freezing abilty... I mean its a nightmare for terran player... Flash is just a freak show... Toss fo life ^_^
@shakazhan99 but compared to sc2, ill say BW is balanced enough. im gonna give sc2 some time before it can mature into a more adjusted game for all players alike
Bisu had so much opportunities to win. - why not killing scvs with dragoon range but firing bunker? he had quite a lot dragoons to attack - why creating reaver. its almost always useless against terran - creating high templars was too late the main loose started when he tried to stop terran to expand with new base and loose almost all dragoons, because they went to this new base location. that was main edge of the game.
I'm pretty sure Bisu was way ahead on minerals and gas... Expansions everywhere and yet they all got taken out by the FACTORY combos... Not saying Bisu is bad... He was ahead at the start of the game.. It's just that Flash's micro is way OP... Like seriously he was denying like 3-4 of Bisu's expansion at the same time...
I see how bisu feels. Im a protoss player. Toss is easy to use but hard to control. Any terran can leap frog seige its hella easy. I still feel terran is slightly stronger than toss. I dont fear tanks. I fear vultures. They cost no money are pain.
@vOddy75 If u mean Scouts thing then yes.... learned my lesson few weeks back. Scouts are insanely bad against Terran. Other than that everything else I said still holds true.
It's 3-1 for SKT1, then KT just send out FlaSh and... BOOM, it's 3-4 for KT, truly the Ultimate Weapon, he's simply so far, far away other progamers right now, although i'm a Zerg and i like SaviOr/Jaedong (Jd'd have more chance to beat FlaSh in the old days, but now he just got like 30% or lower) Also congratz to the new champion team, they must've so proud that they got a progamer like FlaSh, they should stay as KTFlaSh instead of KT Rolster, lol
Bisu threw away too many units in the first battle, not leading with his zealots then did a bermuda recall (few units) outside Flash's natural which was why he lost. Bisu could have dropped HT to storm the tanks and goliaths at the front like. This is just my humble opinion :)
@DaMnUFo0 Neither is Broodwar it has a bunch of design mistakes that allowed player skill to balance it ( muta micro ) as one example and strategies BW is not balanced you cannot balance an RTS 100%
@WavesOfTrolls going corsair take up too much gas so you can't go arbiter and corsair only good for dweb against terran. Arbiter make terran waste scan to see cloaked unit, it can also stasis tanks, and make terran waste money on turrets for recall def.
Also. I don't get wy people don't use scouts. I mean with speed and range upg they are good for snipping Science Vessels and killing unguarded tanks + great for harrassing (similar to mutas). I know they are not cost effective, but its better to spend money on scouts, than to get emp'd lose HT, Arbiter and dk's due to vision. Scouts = the shizl... ^^
i just watched about 7 matches in the last few days, and bisu won all of them... then flash comes and makes him look like a noob... they say just before the GG, you're life Lee Young Ho's before your eyes. =P
![[2010.11.01] 신한은행 프로리그 10-11 1라운드 3주차 1경기 KT vs 삼성전자 2세트 (벤젠) 이영호(Terran) vs 송병구(Protoss)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-J6T3-QdAh8/mqdefault.jpg)
이영호의 동시 세군대 타격... 감탄밖에 안 나온다 정말,,,
this is one of my favorite game of all time. this game has one of best flash's macro control.
Flash did a VERY good job to win this from so far behind... 3 base vs 6 base should be an absolute defeat, but he managed to slow push his way through. However, I think a lot of it was more from Bisu's mistakes. Flash did well to minimize the damage from the Reaver drop, which reduced Bisu's Robotics investment into nothing more than a temporary contain, which he used well to expand. But from there, he stuck to Zealots and Dragoons. He needed High Templars and Psi Storm to seal the win.
빵호 체력이 장난아니다... 지리는 피지컬...
I love like zerg and protoss pro players from his team greeted his well-sieged tank a front of the main base ))
Another epic encounter between these two!
@marty536
The beginning he was losing after he got gas stolen and was forced to go marines with late factories. But then he brought it back. Such a champion.
There was a LOL moment when the vessel was waiting for the arbiter to recall to send EMP)))
메카닉 테란 진짜 존나 멋있네 멋있는데 화력도 개씹오버;;
저때 정명훈에게 불리했던 경기를 뒤집고, 최호선과도 40분 넘는 장기전끝에 이겨서 지친 상태였는데 저걸 이겨버리네 ㅇㅅㄱ
@llmbs Yeah... Vultures are dirt cheap compared to the damage the can potentially deal... It's unreal... Spend a few hundred on them, drop a crapload of mines, and you have map control until they get detection. By then you're up on eco and can reinforce critical positions with a mass of Siege Tanks. That's exactly what Flash did here. He was being pressured in his front choke, so he used Vultures to stall the position, then reinforced it until he had enough to push out.
저때 이영호는 스타판에서 메시급이었지
코는 테란전에서 하템을 잘 안 쓰더라...저그전 그렇게 잘하는 토스가 어찌 테란에게 다전제에서 매번 막히는지...참 희안함
메카닉은 디파나 하템 점사해서 그런가...
skt 감독 진짜 이영호 때문에 노이로제 걸렸을 듯 ;;;; 위너스리그의 왕
그 노이로제가 비록 결승전에서 우승으로 끊기는했음....
yeah no doubt that was a long era of winning by that tactic by the winner ...
took a long time till they found out how to deal with it
he just controls the units so well...
+TheBarbahaba How did the counter the terran turtle 200?
It's a lot of a fast replaced limit + stasis + psy storms + recalls to resource bases
Jesus Christ, Flash is scary. He makes it seem like he's losing and then just outpressures the other guy
Terran
3커맨드로 6넥서스를 이기는 경기네요
자원면 에서 활성화 보면 5넥이라고 보면됨 마지막은 막 멀티 한거니
Wow.. That game did not end the way I wanted it to.
Great game by both but winner played perfectly, damn!
전설의 6넥 vs 3커맨드
@huntercross14 because from the looks of it, SC2 has been made noob-friendly. SC2 automates a lot of things that players used to do manually = =
but they may eventually switch over like some of the other progamers did, who knows
이영호가 잘하긴 정말 잘했지만 김택용이 상황을 너무 낙관한 것이 이 게임의 승패의 요인인듯... 어쨌든 대박 게임...
기적의 수학가 경기 ㅋㅋ
한방에 그냥 쑥 털리네 ㅋㅋ셔틀 태운 하템을 진작에 좀 준비했더라면
Reaction after the game if priceless.
Flash: Is my hair straight? Better make my hair straight.
@Oreoclan Yeap. I deal with this all the time. Reaver harrass and dt drops seems pointless to me. If it fails chances are your going to be behind. Terran usually sets up a turret to stop all shuttle drops, then they proceed to tank massing with vultures for instant map control. I know this game is way old but vultures are OP imo. Im tired of dicking around with goons trying to clear mine fields this is where i start losing
@vicioso82 I didnt say Jamb was better than bisu.. but Jamb is one of the bests at using Templars, Flash 99% of the time when he go to defensive 2/3bases DO TIME ATTACKS, Bisu could have done easily 1 recall on top but he didnt.. Templars is one of the best weapons against Time Terran attacks
game starts at 22:17
how come they dont play sc2?
@RrefForm I don't think I've seen a successful game of carriers against flash yet - only arbiters.
I love Flash's smile!
10-12 김택용 개인리그에서 매번 무기력하게 떨어지고 이영호 만나면 개발리고 msl에서 전진배럭 취소시키고 발리는건 충격이였다 프로리그에서 맵빨 받고 이긴거 말고 정석으로는 상대가 안됨
long time to see bisu reaver almost kill nothing ! FLASH THE KING
대박경기임 짝짝짝!!!!!!
Dunno. Guys. I am toss player. So I hear ya on - vulture + tanks strategy... Seems REALLY imbalanced. I feel the pain every single time. However, having seen some Stork and Bisu games against other terran players. We can say the same thing about toss... Rever drops = huge economy damage. Pri Storms can wipe out mass units like crazy + arbiter recall AND freezing abilty... I mean its a nightmare for terran player... Flash is just a freak show... Toss fo life ^_^
colossi!!!!
good times when that was not necessary in the brood wars
@itachi96329 Wrong
sc
amazing
@shakazhan99 but compared to sc2, ill say BW is balanced enough. im gonna give sc2 some time before it can mature into a more adjusted game for all players alike
its ok bisu, dont cry. Learn from mistakes & move on...^^V
Bisu had so much opportunities to win.
- why not killing scvs with dragoon range but firing bunker? he had quite a lot dragoons to attack
- why creating reaver. its almost always useless against terran
- creating high templars was too late
the main loose started when he tried to stop terran to expand with new base and loose almost all dragoons, because they went to this new base location. that was main edge of the game.
very good :)
19:26 김택용이진이유
Ur wrong Cs 1.6 is a fps , SC is a Strategy game dont compare these games with SC pls ...
Sc2 is awesome the history is really cool
Bisu played well but lost too many units needlessly to delay Flash's third.
But great game nonetheless!
@tofusauce I've seen Kal, Movie and Stork successfully used it against him.
great game... by winner ;)
flash: 20 w 2 l
bisu: 17 w 2 l
starcraft monsters
22:18
why didnt bisu have goon range by the time flash got his natural? bisu's been really bad lately
this is like cs 1.6 and source
sc2 abd source sux
1.6 and BW awesome
I'm pretty sure Bisu was way ahead on minerals and gas... Expansions everywhere and yet they all got taken out by the FACTORY combos... Not saying Bisu is bad... He was ahead at the start of the game.. It's just that Flash's micro is way OP... Like seriously he was denying like 3-4 of Bisu's expansion at the same time...
The one and only King Flash! ^^
@JaeChoi94
Im sure Bisu tried, but flash is scary good
game starts at 00:15 thumbs up so the first comment isn't a spoiler
I see how bisu feels. Im a protoss player. Toss is easy to use but hard to control. Any terran can leap frog seige its hella easy. I still feel terran is slightly stronger than toss. I dont fear tanks. I fear vultures. They cost no money are pain.
@vOddy75 If u mean Scouts thing then yes.... learned my lesson few weeks back. Scouts are insanely bad against Terran. Other than that everything else I said still holds true.
I thought Bisu had this in the beginning.
but then Flash had his sense and went ape shit on Bisu.
It's 3-1 for SKT1, then KT just send out FlaSh and... BOOM, it's 3-4 for KT, truly the Ultimate Weapon, he's simply so far, far away other progamers right now, although i'm a Zerg and i like SaviOr/Jaedong (Jd'd have more chance to beat FlaSh in the old days, but now he just got like 30% or lower)
Also congratz to the new champion team, they must've so proud that they got a progamer like FlaSh, they should stay as KTFlaSh instead of KT Rolster, lol
flash domination again.
HOLY F SC IN 480p. I think I came.
4/5 Bases No Storms? someone need to learn something with janbi...
엄소리 안맞는소리나 당연한소리 길게한ㅔ
심지어 버벅거리다 전용준한테 짤려서 끝까지하지도 못했음 ㅋㅋ
Bisu threw away too many units in the first battle, not leading with his zealots then did a bermuda recall (few units) outside Flash's natural which was why he lost. Bisu could have dropped HT to storm the tanks and goliaths at the front like.
This is just my humble opinion :)
@vicioso82 "storms dont win games" lol... i dont need to say more...
킹영호 이카루스에서 이기네
Bisu is not bad, it's flash who is awesome!
3:35 trying to drag marines out... commentators: ooooooohhhhh!!!! -> aaaaaaahhhhh :/
@joypopxoxo That long... holy shit...
Flash is fucking good, definitely stronger than Jaedong as he is now.
@JJluan1 Psi-storms dont rape siege tanks.. gosu psi-storm does. Basic siegetanks > basic psi-storm.
HAHA YO SHOUTS OUT TO THAT BLIND GUARDIAN AT THE END, THE KOREANS KNOW THEIR METAL
haha after bisu said gg flash first thing did was to fix his hair haha
@DaMnUFo0 Neither is Broodwar it has a bunch of design mistakes that allowed player skill to balance it ( muta micro ) as one example and strategies BW is not balanced you cannot balance an RTS 100%
@WavesOfTrolls going corsair take up too much gas so you can't go arbiter and corsair only good for dweb against terran. Arbiter make terran waste scan to see cloaked unit, it can also stasis tanks, and make terran waste money on turrets for recall def.
김택용이!!!!!!!!!
When Flash is on his game no-one can beat him. He is the best. Its that simple. he is Imbalanced.
Bisu vs FlaSh 0:13
la verdad Me desespera la forma de Jugar de Flash!!! es recontra Defens
@huntercross14 its not 100%-balanced like its predecessor
즐감
wow tank monster Flash
7:44 scarab passes mineral line... wth?
best
Also. I don't get wy people don't use scouts. I mean with speed and range upg they are good for snipping Science Vessels and killing unguarded tanks + great for harrassing (similar to mutas). I know they are not cost effective, but its better to spend money on scouts, than to get emp'd lose HT, Arbiter and dk's due to vision. Scouts = the shizl... ^^
this is the first time Bisus har hasnt looked cool
기적의 수학자 피타코라스 6
flash makes metal slug look invulnerable
Why bisu just used he´s HT to dance around?? Not even 1 storm Bisu?? come on man!
@ExecutiveDmitri Will D players ever stop commentating on pro gamers? you don't know what you're talking about, man.
진짜 택신이 낙관했다
flash played perfect, while bisu didn't.
flash always plays perfect, cuz he's the master.... i miss the good days of jd...
@JaeChoi94 A loss to flash is ALWAYS ok.
3>6
낙관은 저상황 에서 낙관한게 말이됨 상대가 영호되 역킬 당하게 생겻는데
FLASH RAYPAGE!!
i just watched about 7 matches in the last few days, and bisu won all of them... then flash comes and makes him look like a noob... they say just before the GG, you're life Lee Young Ho's before your eyes. =P
lol flash didn't scout bisu on first try.
@BladePenguin sc2 will be easy for them
Terran is overpowered