Cool to see some of my footage in your video. The silent films can be tough to watch on there own, but work great in highlight films or in this case a mini-doc.
thank you for the work you do archiving these early college football games, just as someone interested in the history its really neat seeing the evolution of the sport (though yes it's a lot easier to watch with some background music)
Well, let's add another to the list, though it might not be forgotten it was foundational for the poll system emerging. Since the 1900s one Frank G. Dickinson had been ranking Western Conference teams (Big10, they didn't all play each other every year at the time) at the end of the season by awarding about 22 points for a win 11 for a loss and doubling them if the game was against a strong opponent, added them all together for each team and divided the total by the number if games a team had played and published it the week after Thanksgiving. Eventually, he was asked to do this for all teams starting in 1925, and he retroactively applied this method to 1924 and then did it every year till his death in the early 40s. He only published the top 11 teams in order of 1-11 and their year-end average. In 1935, the Princeton Tigers, TCU Horned Frogs, Minnesota Golden Gophers, and the SMU Mustangs all went into the week of Thanksgiving undefeated and with strong schedules. Princeton, Minnesota, and SMU finished the regular season through Thanksgiving and then, even after that, undefeated. SMU had the best win, though. SMU had knocked off TCU on a game that was nationally reported and nationally broadcast by radio on the weekend of Thanksgiving. So Dickinson rated SMU 1st, Minnesota 2nd, Princeton 3rd, LSU 4th, Stanford and Cal tied for 5th, Ohio State 7th, TCU 8th, Notre Dame 9th, UCLA 10th, and Fordham 11th. SMU had beaten both No.8 TCU and No.10 UCLA at this point and after Dickinson declared his champion finished the season undefeated by beating Texas A&M with that undefeated season including an undefeated run through the Southwest Conference which included Texas as well as Arkansas, TCU, and A&M. It had been announced that whoever won SMU-TCU would get the Eastern berth in the Rose Bowl. Stanford was selected to represent the West. Alan Gould had been publishing personal weekly top tens after every week of the season through the Associated Press until the season's conclusion, where he picked all three of Princeton, SMU, and Minnesota as national champions. His last top ten was 1 a tie betweem SMU, Princeton, and Minnesota 4 a tie between LSU and TCU, 6 Stanford, 7 Ohio State, 8 North Carolina, 9 Cal, and 10 Fordham. This generated some controversy. The United Press decided to poll sports writers in response to Gould at the end of the season and got Minnesota as their national champion and also ranked teams 1-26 with three tied at 26. 1 Minnesota, 2 SMU, 3 Princeton, 4 TCU, 5 Ohio State, 6 Stanford, 7 LSU, 8 Notre Dame, 9 Cal, 10 Pitt, 11 Fordham, 12 North Carolina, 13 Duke, 14 Holy Cross, 15 Auburn, 16 Northwestern, 17 Alabama, 18 a tie of Army, Iowa, and UCLA, 21, a tie of Nebraska and Ohio (the Bobcats) 23 a tie of Marquette, Washington, Saint Mary's, and 26 a tie of Temple, Dartmouth, and NYU. TCU had been invited to the new sugar bowl and played LSU, beating them 3-2. SMU lost the Rose Bowl 0-7 to Stanford, and this caused TCU and Stanford to declare themselves national champions. So, at the end of the season, SMU, Minnesota, Princeton, Stanford, and TCU had been declared national champions by someone. This, combined specifically with Gould's personal ranking being the most controversial, led to Gould deciding to poll sports writers starting the next year 1936 the first year of the AP poll. That's right, a dispute arising from the battle for the Iron Skillet, the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and two other undefeateds remaining unblemished led to the AP poll and arguably to now when that failed. Edited for grammar.
Empire dropped another banger. Today is a good day. Also it is hilarious to me that Army has three more national titles than Oregon and West Virginia combined lol
My only complaint is that you should have snuck even a hidden reference to the 2017 UCF NC team. They will be the last recognized/split champions ever most likely. And possibly the last mid-major champions although this is still possible in theory. (JMU fan here so I’m gonna keep those hopes alive for all of us non-qualifier teams/conferences)
@ yeah because one side of my family is of British decent and has been in America for centuries and the other side is a bunch of immigrants and my mom was the first to go to college. That’s kind of how America works dude. And my aunt hasn’t been employed for 20 years anyway
Really great video. I would’ve loved to hear you cover 1922 as there were many teams that went undefeated, but the team that had the most undefeated wins that year is hardly mentioned in the same breath as the others from that group.
most footage i use is sourced on youtube from a number of archives. highly recommend the channel College Football Historian they do amazing work archiving some of the really old footage used on this channel. all the footage used can also be found in the description under the sources google doc - docs.google.com/document/d/1KcokMYPqqHeGJcz7JU4BFO8bcAjUzju3sEw6pJyK-9Q/edit?usp=sharing
As a longtime FSU fan, I don’t remember hearing anything about Notre Dame, Nebraska or Auburn winning shares of the 1993 national championship. I was surprised that FSU topped both the AP and coaches polls and always felt like Notre Dame deserved a share of the title for having beaten FSU that year. As for Auburn, I remember them having an undefeated season but couldn’t go to a bowl game because of violations, but I thought that was the following year in 1994.
thanks! and all the music used in each video can be found in the description under a google doc. here's the track list for this one - docs.google.com/document/d/1KcokMYPqqHeGJcz7JU4BFO8bcAjUzju3sEw6pJyK-9Q/edit?usp=sharing
Feels like a bit of a weak video overall. Having most of those titles be some person or mathematical formula saying "you are champions!" long after the games were played doesn't really feel that legitimate to me. I would have at least liked an explanation of who was the major selectors at the time, especially before the AP/Coaches became the default standard in the 70s or somewhere around there. Better explaining the methodology word have gone a long way to making it feel like more than a random list of seemingly out-of-left-field choices.
I knew Tulane lost the national title game in 1931, but I didn’t know this. Since the program is starting to resurge I am hoping the we get a shot at a title one day. It’d take a miracle, but I’m hoping it’ll happen some time. Roll Wave
Stopping work meeting early. Must watch EMPIRE video.
If it's conference style, just mute the call on your end, and just listen to the complaining
I was hosting the meeting. No one complained about a morning meeting ending early.
Literally said the same thing. Empire, DaLukes, and Josh Pate for current CFB. I say it every time.
Lies to all
2017 UCF Knights 😤😤
Cool to see some of my footage in your video. The silent films can be tough to watch on there own, but work great in highlight films or in this case a mini-doc.
thank you for the work you do archiving these early college football games, just as someone interested in the history its really neat seeing the evolution of the sport (though yes it's a lot easier to watch with some background music)
Commutes gonna be great this morning
Well, let's add another to the list, though it might not be forgotten it was foundational for the poll system emerging. Since the 1900s one Frank G. Dickinson had been ranking Western Conference teams (Big10, they didn't all play each other every year at the time) at the end of the season by awarding about 22 points for a win 11 for a loss and doubling them if the game was against a strong opponent, added them all together for each team and divided the total by the number if games a team had played and published it the week after Thanksgiving. Eventually, he was asked to do this for all teams starting in 1925, and he retroactively applied this method to 1924 and then did it every year till his death in the early 40s. He only published the top 11 teams in order of 1-11 and their year-end average.
In 1935, the Princeton Tigers, TCU Horned Frogs, Minnesota Golden Gophers, and the SMU Mustangs all went into the week of Thanksgiving undefeated and with strong schedules. Princeton, Minnesota, and SMU finished the regular season through Thanksgiving and then, even after that, undefeated. SMU had the best win, though. SMU had knocked off TCU on a game that was nationally reported and nationally broadcast by radio on the weekend of Thanksgiving. So Dickinson rated SMU 1st, Minnesota 2nd, Princeton 3rd, LSU 4th, Stanford and Cal tied for 5th, Ohio State 7th, TCU 8th, Notre Dame 9th, UCLA 10th, and Fordham 11th.
SMU had beaten both No.8 TCU and No.10 UCLA at this point and after Dickinson declared his champion finished the season undefeated by beating Texas A&M with that undefeated season including an undefeated run through the Southwest Conference which included Texas as well as Arkansas, TCU, and A&M. It had been announced that whoever won SMU-TCU would get the Eastern berth in the Rose Bowl. Stanford was selected to represent the West.
Alan Gould had been publishing personal weekly top tens after every week of the season through the Associated Press until the season's conclusion, where he picked all three of Princeton, SMU, and Minnesota as national champions. His last top ten was 1 a tie betweem SMU, Princeton, and Minnesota 4 a tie between LSU and TCU, 6 Stanford, 7 Ohio State, 8 North Carolina, 9 Cal, and 10 Fordham. This generated some controversy. The United Press decided to poll sports writers in response to Gould at the end of the season and got Minnesota as their national champion and also ranked teams 1-26 with three tied at 26. 1 Minnesota, 2 SMU, 3 Princeton, 4 TCU, 5 Ohio State, 6 Stanford, 7 LSU, 8 Notre Dame, 9 Cal, 10 Pitt, 11 Fordham, 12 North Carolina, 13 Duke, 14 Holy Cross, 15 Auburn, 16 Northwestern, 17 Alabama, 18 a tie of Army, Iowa, and UCLA, 21, a tie of Nebraska and Ohio (the Bobcats) 23 a tie of Marquette, Washington, Saint Mary's, and 26 a tie of Temple, Dartmouth, and NYU.
TCU had been invited to the new sugar bowl and played LSU, beating them 3-2. SMU lost the Rose Bowl 0-7 to Stanford, and this caused TCU and Stanford to declare themselves national champions.
So, at the end of the season, SMU, Minnesota, Princeton, Stanford, and TCU had been declared national champions by someone. This, combined specifically with Gould's personal ranking being the most controversial, led to Gould deciding to poll sports writers starting the next year 1936 the first year of the AP poll. That's right, a dispute arising from the battle for the Iron Skillet, the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and two other undefeateds remaining unblemished led to the AP poll and arguably to now when that failed.
Edited for grammar.
Intro music is god tier. Shoutout to Injury Reserve.
came here to say this, great ear !
crazy crossover for me
whats the sample? Empire probably has no idea who Injury Reserve is lol. If he does then shoutout
Empire dropped another banger. Today is a good day.
Also it is hilarious to me that Army has three more national titles than Oregon and West Virginia combined lol
Always a good day when a new EMPIRE video goes up
My only complaint is that you should have snuck even a hidden reference to the 2017 UCF NC team. They will be the last recognized/split champions ever most likely. And possibly the last mid-major champions although this is still possible in theory. (JMU fan here so I’m gonna keep those hopes alive for all of us non-qualifier teams/conferences)
No one acknowledged that horse shit.
LSU vandy AND centre in the same video??? This is crazy I went to LSU my dad went to vandy and my aunt and grandpa went to centre
3 generations of college graduates? Must be nice
@ yeah because one side of my family is of British decent and has been in America for centuries and the other side is a bunch of immigrants and my mom was the first to go to college. That’s kind of how America works dude. And my aunt hasn’t been employed for 20 years anyway
@ dam so 3 gen on your dads side and 2 on your moms? And your aunt is wealthy enough not so work? Must be nice
@@nomaxxin boo hoo bro get a job you whiny bitch my god some of y’all are embarrassing
Love seeing my sun devils included in a video, amazing work as always
W&J gets a shout out on EMPIRE.
That was unexpected.
Great way to start the day
Great video as always my man!
UD MERCY MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥
Sped up Phoenix - Embuscade blew me away
Really great video. I would’ve loved to hear you cover 1922 as there were many teams that went undefeated, but the team that had the most undefeated wins that year is hardly mentioned in the same breath as the others from that group.
03 LSU getting love but not 04 Auburn?? 😞
This channel is tragically underrated. Keep up the good work!
I didn’t expect the Injury Reserve intro music… nice
Injury Reserve in the first minute of the video yeah it’s a classic
If centre beat Texas A&M in the12th man game, thay would have been 100% no doubt 1922 national champions
I feel like 2017 ucf at least deserved a mention
Over rated.
Another great video EMPIRE, loved the Michael McDonald in the background
McDonald's makes me crap my pants
Hey Empire, where do you get your b-roll game footage? Just curious
most footage i use is sourced on youtube from a number of archives. highly recommend the channel College Football Historian they do amazing work archiving some of the really old footage used on this channel. all the footage used can also be found in the description under the sources google doc -
docs.google.com/document/d/1KcokMYPqqHeGJcz7JU4BFO8bcAjUzju3sEw6pJyK-9Q/edit?usp=sharing
Absolutely love your content man. Keep it up big guy.
1929 Fordham Rams lineal fictitious National Champions let’s not forget!
Over rated.
The Gran Turismo 4 background music for the Detroit Mercy segment 🤌
11:50 Arizona and ASU joining created the PAC-10, not the PAC-12. It was not called the PAC-12 until 2011.
Grwat vid, Empire!
As a longtime FSU fan, I don’t remember hearing anything about Notre Dame, Nebraska or Auburn winning shares of the 1993 national championship. I was surprised that FSU topped both the AP and coaches polls and always felt like Notre Dame deserved a share of the title for having beaten FSU that year. As for Auburn, I remember them having an undefeated season but couldn’t go to a bowl game because of violations, but I thought that was the following year in 1994.
94 was not a split. PSU got screwed that year.
I can name two Princeton and Chicago
dude please start posting your background music 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 long live the EMPIRE
thanks! and all the music used in each video can be found in the description under a google doc. here's the track list for this one -
docs.google.com/document/d/1KcokMYPqqHeGJcz7JU4BFO8bcAjUzju3sEw6pJyK-9Q/edit?usp=sharing
Pac-10 until Utah and Colorado joined.
Outstanding video per usual.
588-2300
Injury Reserve for the background music is crazyyy
OH BOY. ITS 8 AM.
Feels like a bit of a weak video overall. Having most of those titles be some person or mathematical formula saying "you are champions!" long after the games were played doesn't really feel that legitimate to me. I would have at least liked an explanation of who was the major selectors at the time, especially before the AP/Coaches became the default standard in the 70s or somewhere around there. Better explaining the methodology word have gone a long way to making it feel like more than a random list of seemingly out-of-left-field choices.
I love you empire
I learned about Mike Haynes today woo
I knew Tulane lost the national title game in 1931, but I didn’t know this. Since the program is starting to resurge I am hoping the we get a shot at a title one day. It’d take a miracle, but I’m hoping it’ll happen some time. Roll Wave
This was....AWESOME!!!+
Always a great day when you wake up to an EMPIRE video.
What about NAVY
Who is here before 100k subscribers? ☺
Yeah!!!!
ASU didn't join the PAC 12 in '78. It was the PAC 10 at that time.
Please make a video about the comeback of ETSU football Thank you!
222-0? Damn that GT sounds Pretty Good
th-cam.com/video/Qu4pYvGBp5s/w-d-xo.html
Never been this early 😳
Do one about the UCLA💙💛 vs USC ❤️💛 rivalry!
you fw injury reserve?
Three man weave though...
I claim that the Michigan Tech Huskies were the 1948 champions. Does that count for anything?
Are you interested in Junior College football by chance?
Always claim your titles
I’m a college professor and ended class early because EMPIRE posted. My students understood.