Yep, pretty much what happened to mine either... I just wait at the second floor, then jump behind him and snuff him out, along with the Thalmor since he somehow spot me
Sounds like an E-40/Ice Cube Song:"thieves guild ain't got no snitches, do for the glory and the riches, funk worse than the bee 'n barb bi*ches, concerned about me? mind yo' business!" What you think?
Dude I’ve played this game since 2014 and holy crap I never knew about this hidden scene if you don’t kill the guys at the embassy, this game never fails to surprise me especially when it’s been around since 2011
So much for Dirge always saying he would throw out anyone making trouble in the flaggon... He didn't do shit when someone actually shows up and makes trouble.
Lmao, that's because Thieves Guild is full of people who just proudly run their mouth without even proving anything. You know Vex? Claiming she's the best infiltrator the guild ever have and she can't even sneak into that bee farm. Are you telling me that a thief others claimed that she can technically disappear the moment she steps into the shadow while surrounded by city guards, can't infiltrate a place in the middle of the lake with just a bunch of bodyguards? And when we actually progress their quests, she's still giving us side-eye "Here's the job, hope you don't muck it up." EVEN AFTER we did the bee farm quest which is she failed to do and probably countless of others successful thief quests.
@@anut8733 butni you have to understand Nocturnal was cursed the Guild, made them question about their skills they were detected where they shouldntve normally.
I feel like there's a difference between trouble from a drunk and rowdy guy, and killing a Thalmor wizard and two Thalmor soldiers, which would probably lead to the Thalmor coming down harshly on the city or wanting to clear the Thieve's Guild out themselves.
Well, Dirge and others would join the fight if player character (PC) is affiliated with the Thieves Guild. But as PC does not meddle some stranger's fight.
Doesn't matter to my gameplay. I downloaded a mod that lets me kill everyone in the thieves guild lol. They're truly one of the worst bunch of losers apart from Thalmor and Volkihar.
@@willhornsby206 I guess but the programming could’ve. Been done to just make the thalmor follow up on his information about esbern being in the ratway
@@willhornsby206 everyone from the embassy are chasing you, i remember the khajit cook showed up when im on my way to ragged flagon trying to do some thief guild.
@@panjiahlanrayhan764 That's not actually the cook in that mission unless it was a bug. Tsavani is the cook whereas the hired assassin you run across is Shavari.
@@timtaylor9298 i dont know, maybe im mistaking because the name is so similar. But for sure i remember it use chef clothes. But then that was when i play vanilla skyrim, maybe it is a bug
Just did this quest a while ago. This plus being able to sneak out with Esbern without fighting is what makes a thief playthrough fun. This conversation also slightly changes if you're the Guild Master or talked to Dirge instead.
I wasn't Guild Master yet, but I had finished the main Thieves Guild quest by the time I was looking for Esbern. In that playthrough, Vekel warned me that "dangerous-looking elves" had come to the Flagon looking for Esbern already. And then everyone in the Flagon mobbed Gissur seemingly the moment he stood up. Delvin took him out immediately and said "Well. That was fun." 😂
I love how the Thalmor leader tells his two gaurds to stand down too. He knows damm well where they are and who's in the ragged flagon. If they start shit they won't make it out alive.
@@Michael.Polistena1997 And I love how 20 Riften guards/mercenaries sent directly by the Jarl (which I don't think is corrupt) could destroy Riften's crime problem in 2 hours
@valeriolibratti9643 🤣Yeah, no, the Jarl (and pretty much all of Riften) is owned my Maven Blackbriar. She has a business agreement with the guild. Their untouchable. And no one in Riften is going into the Ratway to save/avenge Thalmor agents anyway. Riften and it's Jarl support Ulfric. The thalmor aren't just in the wrong pub, they're in the wrong town.
tbh, I didn't even know you didn't need to kill him first off. I always just got him at the embassy with the Thalmor, I like how they did this. It just gives extra layers to him but you eventually get the same results regardless.
Yeah he stalks the player in riften, if he’s killed than the khajiit woman from the embassy replaces him as an explanation to how the thalmor know where you are
I never saw this because I recognized his name from the embassy because I pickpocketed him while he was talking to the Thalmor wizard. When I saw him in the ragged flagon, I looked into his pockets again and found the note saying he was watching for me, so naturally I stuck my glass dagger in his back when he was alone in the hallways.
In vanilla skyrim before the first dlc you could warn an elf of the ratway and a whole squad of guards storm in down their if your in the thieves guild
Remember hearing on my vr play through "that guy right there leaving ask about him aswell", so i got up turned around a shot him he got a note on him explain he a spy
Ah well yes, normally I gut that man while in the Embassy. I did notice once when I didn't kill him that he was in the ragged Flagon, but I simply removed his soul then and there.
I remember this scene. Those were the good old days. Lucky I have the guild help me getting rid of Thalmor. Seem they have forfeited their lives when they attack their guild master. Also note Gissur will become hostile after that scene. He was foolish to tackle me alone. Honestly one man and all thieves around him.
I remember this but I never followed him out to watch the conversation, I've tried skipping talking to anyone and just going straight to talk to the old dude and he would show up with them when we tried to leave.
To be fair, they most likely realized that the wizard must have informed his superiors of where he was going and why, and if he didn't show back up, heat might come down on the Guild. And if they attacked and even one of the Thalmor got away, they'd be identified and hounded. (Mind you, once you finish slaughtering all of the Thalmor like the one-man army you are and stripping their corpses for cash and prizes, the Guild members probably just dump the bodies somewhere outside and go "oh no, they must have been ambushed by skeevers or bandits or some shit".)
@@redwitch12 You also have to take into account that they're in Riften. Depending on how the player has approached the civil war ( or if they have started the questline at all) the city itself is a pretty hostile place for the Thalmor.
1: The Thieves' Guild aren't killers. 2: They don't want to fuck with the Thalmor. 3: The Guild is in a bad spot right now, not at full power and can be easily dismantled. 4: There may be other ways into the Ratway.
@@Resi1ience well i think the simple answer is that he wasn't in the guild yet so they didn't give a fck normally they wld slaughter anyone who appears
@@onizukasensei5321 true. But oh boy do they agro on the Thalmor, when you are! They cut those goldielocks to shreds. I was so amazed when I witnessed that for the first time that I did not raise my blade to help. That and dodging spells, that is.
Never Seen this scene in all the years I have played since the game was released. WOW. But it's probably because on that Thalmor mission I end up killing everyone, lol.
In one of my play throughs i turned off essential npc's after completing all the quests and wacked everyone in the guild that had any empire or thalmor sympathies.
Due to the fact that everyone is trying to kill me in the embassy, I never leave the dude alive. He's always in the crossfire no matter what I do. I wish they could have left us some sort of motive or quest marker to keep him alive so we could see the rest of the quest progression. lol
The last time I did this quest, I talked to Dirge. I left into the Ratway and killed the Thalmor there. I came back and he was still there. He immediately became agro but just ran and cowered in a corner. The guild members in the Flagon killed him, I never even talked to the guy.
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I was playing thieves guild quest when these guys randomly showed up behind me and they all died from my team it was slow because everyone just had like daggers
I ran into this scene but what happened was that I turned around to notice a group of Thalmar walking in at which point they saw me as well so I ran through the door into the next area. The Thalmar chased me and we ended up bottled in that tiny passageway on the other side of the door as they came through the door one at a time to get cut down.
Huh, I didn't know about this. I usually just go do the quest right away. But I always wondered how those elf bastards knew where to look. They aren't squeamish in going into the sewers.
This scene here is one of the reasons why the thieves guild is my favorite faction. XD Aside from the guards ignoring my crimes, when some dumb npc runs Infront of me (just has I'm hitting a dragon or vampire.) And the increased gold, for the caravans and fences in each town. Should you do the special city jobs. (Wish they gave all game faction's, has much love.) Plus it feels natural being part of them, since most quests in the game have you tomb robing anyway. (And Noctural does look awesome, in Vanilla Skyrim.) XD
"If Gissur is not dead, then" Ah, that explains why I've never seen this scene once
Yep, pretty much what happened to mine either... I just wait at the second floor, then jump behind him and snuff him out, along with the Thalmor since he somehow spot me
Thieves Guild ain't no snitches
I mean Vekel literally did snitch with the right amount of gold. Maybe just not a snitch to the Thalmor.
_They didn’t pay him._
gotta have a code
@@ZeeNastee tbf that is kinda how the thieves guild works they're honorable to an extent. If you give them the coin they aren't gonna fuck you over
Sounds like an E-40/Ice Cube Song:"thieves guild ain't got no snitches, do for the glory and the riches, funk worse than the bee 'n barb bi*ches, concerned about me? mind yo' business!" What you think?
Dude I’ve played this game since 2014 and holy crap I never knew about this hidden scene if you don’t kill the guys at the embassy, this game never fails to surprise me especially when it’s been around since 2011
Same, except I started in 2012
I have played this game since It first came out, and I have never seen this scene until now
I know right. There's always new mysteries to uncover, even after 10 years!
@@Betlejuse420 Same, except I started in 2011
only those 2 guys in the office room...the rest you can kill no problem
So much for Dirge always saying he would throw out anyone making trouble in the flaggon... He didn't do shit when someone actually shows up and makes trouble.
Lmao, that's because Thieves Guild is full of people who just proudly run their mouth without even proving anything.
You know Vex? Claiming she's the best infiltrator the guild ever have and she can't even sneak into that bee farm.
Are you telling me that a thief others claimed that she can technically disappear the moment she steps into the shadow while surrounded by city guards, can't infiltrate a place in the middle of the lake with just a bunch of bodyguards?
And when we actually progress their quests, she's still giving us side-eye "Here's the job, hope you don't muck it up." EVEN AFTER we did the bee farm quest which is she failed to do and probably countless of others successful thief quests.
@@anut8733 butni you have to understand Nocturnal was cursed the Guild, made them question about their skills they were detected where they shouldntve normally.
I feel like there's a difference between trouble from a drunk and rowdy guy, and killing a Thalmor wizard and two Thalmor soldiers, which would probably lead to the Thalmor coming down harshly on the city or wanting to clear the Thieve's Guild out themselves.
Well, Dirge and others would join the fight if player character (PC) is affiliated with the Thieves Guild. But as PC does not meddle some stranger's fight.
Doesn't matter to my gameplay. I downloaded a mod that lets me kill everyone in the thieves guild lol. They're truly one of the worst bunch of losers apart from Thalmor and Volkihar.
"Where's the man asking about the fugitive in the rat way" *looks over at the naked guy holding a sweet roll crouched in the corner* "fuck if I know"
Everyone is a fugitive in that tavern
Wow I never noticed that so that’s why the thalmor were there so fast when we go to bring esbern
Doesnt make sense considering i always killed that guy while in the embassy
@@willhornsby206 I guess but the programming could’ve. Been done to just make the thalmor follow up on his information about esbern being in the ratway
@@willhornsby206 everyone from the embassy are chasing you, i remember the khajit cook showed up when im on my way to ragged flagon trying to do some thief guild.
@@panjiahlanrayhan764 That's not actually the cook in that mission unless it was a bug. Tsavani is the cook whereas the hired assassin you run across is Shavari.
@@timtaylor9298 i dont know, maybe im mistaking because the name is so similar. But for sure i remember it use chef clothes. But then that was when i play vanilla skyrim, maybe it is a bug
Just did this quest a while ago. This plus being able to sneak out with Esbern without fighting is what makes a thief playthrough fun. This conversation also slightly changes if you're the Guild Master or talked to Dirge instead.
Damn bruh
TIL that you can get Esbern out without fighting... huh.
So do they really just leave? Like, for good? They’re not programmed to spawn back in after talking to Esbern?
What happens if your guild master?
I wasn't Guild Master yet, but I had finished the main Thieves Guild quest by the time I was looking for Esbern. In that playthrough, Vekel warned me that "dangerous-looking elves" had come to the Flagon looking for Esbern already. And then everyone in the Flagon mobbed Gissur seemingly the moment he stood up. Delvin took him out immediately and said "Well. That was fun." 😂
"you are in the wrong place to be asking those kinds of questions, *pal* " vekel my man aint no snitch
I love how the Thalmor leader tells his two gaurds to stand down too. He knows damm well where they are and who's in the ragged flagon. If they start shit they won't make it out alive.
@@Michael.Polistena1997 And I love how 20 Riften guards/mercenaries sent directly by the Jarl (which I don't think is corrupt) could destroy Riften's crime problem in 2 hours
@valeriolibratti9643 🤣Yeah, no, the Jarl (and pretty much all of Riften) is owned my Maven Blackbriar. She has a business agreement with the guild. Their untouchable. And no one in Riften is going into the Ratway to save/avenge Thalmor agents anyway. Riften and it's Jarl support Ulfric. The thalmor aren't just in the wrong pub, they're in the wrong town.
I always wondered if he was relevant beyond the embassy. I just always killed him with the rest of the thalmor lackeys XD
Oh! Is that guy! Yes, I always kill him too
tbh, I didn't even know you didn't need to kill him first off. I always just got him at the embassy with the Thalmor, I like how they did this. It just gives extra layers to him but you eventually get the same results regardless.
Yeah he stalks the player in riften, if he’s killed than the khajiit woman from the embassy replaces him as an explanation to how the thalmor know where you are
@@manx8825So she remains at the Embassy if yes not killed? Interesting. Just an extra background NPC in case stuff changes, I like it
@@manx8825 That khajiit usually shows up either way. She tends to be just close enough to the ratway entrance to block fast travel annoyingly enough.
I never saw this because I recognized his name from the embassy because I pickpocketed him while he was talking to the Thalmor wizard.
When I saw him in the ragged flagon, I looked into his pockets again and found the note saying he was watching for me, so naturally I stuck my glass dagger in his back when he was alone in the hallways.
I love how this is no clickbait, dude just splittin facts and making us go wow 😮😳
Always wondered what would happen should the Thalmor enter the guild HQ. Never even knew this was possible.
It was kinda disappointing nothing would have come out of it, had they not spotted the player character.
I bet it is even more than just 99% of players. I have played this since it came out and never this existed. Thank you.
Vekkel really is the man.
And the thalmor got jumped. Attacking anyone from the guild is like kicking a hornets nest while standing in it
The Thalmor make the Skyrim main storyline so interesting, I love them
There's the Thalmor agent! Kill him!
They should be a playable faction
@@joshkardos1673 Yeah, dude!...
@@joshkardos1673 A dangerous and true statement.
*loads shotgun with malicious intent*
I am always ambushed just outside I had never thought of sneaking back in and seeing if they confront the guild members! Interesting video thanks
In vanilla skyrim before the first dlc you could warn an elf of the ratway and a whole squad of guards storm in down their if your in the thieves guild
I’m too brutal. I leave no witnesses and no survivors. Especially Thalmor...
and they say there's no honor among thieves…
Don't mind me, I'm just checking your pockets for holes. 😗🎶
For once, it is actually a scene I've never seen. Kudos to you, NORDMAN
Enters a undground bar fill of people, ends with "someones here!!!"
Vekel ! My man! Showing the Thalmor where they can shove it! Now doing that as the Guildmaster is awesome.
That's why he's called the Man!
This game is how old and I've never known about this until now? Damn, makes me wonder what other secrets are still hidden in the game to this day.
This game never ceases to amaze me.
I usually saw Gissur on the way out.
Never occurred to me to check on their arrival coz the note does indicate he led them there.
Nice video.
Proud to have known of this one.
There is also another one involving the Khajjit assassin, that you usually later find at Windhelm stables.
Oh good, more Thalmor to kill. My blade always thirsts for Thalmor blood.
Thanks for sharing. I did not know there was a scene like that in Skyrim 😊
Thanks
Remember hearing on my vr play through "that guy right there leaving ask about him aswell", so i got up turned around a shot him he got a note on him explain he a spy
I forgot about this xD I think that Thalmor lackey usually dies somehow during the embassy mission lmao
If you got a decent sneak just wait till the guy leaves, barring you aren’t already inside slitting throats before he exits
Lol I have snuck through ONCE, and I still missed this interaction.
Ah well yes, normally I gut that man while in the Embassy. I did notice once when I didn't kill him that he was in the ragged Flagon, but I simply removed his soul then and there.
I remember this scene. Those were the good old days. Lucky I have the guild help me getting rid of Thalmor. Seem they have forfeited their lives when they attack their guild master. Also note Gissur will become hostile after that scene. He was foolish to tackle me alone. Honestly one man and all thieves around him.
I wonder if it changes even more if you are part of the thieves guild
Imagine if you were already guild master before this…yooo there wouldn’t stand a chance.
11 yeas and never noticed this betrayal
1000's of hours and, I don't know, 30 or more characters, I have never seen this. Cool.
No one talks how Thalmor just casually done Beatles walk.
here is your like and comment. you actually showed me something new. always wondered why did they get there so fast
Well... That's a surprise ! On my part, I always ended up killing him in the embassy... so I never saw that part before.
Yeah I have no idea who that guy is.
I remember this but I never followed him out to watch the conversation, I've tried skipping talking to anyone and just going straight to talk to the old dude and he would show up with them when we tried to leave.
I'm amazed that the Guilid was going to let them walk out of there!
To be fair, they most likely realized that the wizard must have informed his superiors of where he was going and why, and if he didn't show back up, heat might come down on the Guild. And if they attacked and even one of the Thalmor got away, they'd be identified and hounded. (Mind you, once you finish slaughtering all of the Thalmor like the one-man army you are and stripping their corpses for cash and prizes, the Guild members probably just dump the bodies somewhere outside and go "oh no, they must have been ambushed by skeevers or bandits or some shit".)
@@redwitch12 Good point. The Thieves Guild always thinks ahead.
@@redwitch12 You also have to take into account that they're in Riften. Depending on how the player has approached the civil war ( or if they have started the questline at all) the city itself is a pretty hostile place for the Thalmor.
Vekel is indeed THE Man!
Круто, насчёт связи Гиссура знал, но вот саму сцену переговоров около "Крысиной норе" не видел
This is a awesome encounter you showed us, amazing content👍👍
You get it if you don't kill him in the embassy during the spy quest to get journals. Most of the time every player kill anyone in the embassy
The Thalmor is dirt under my boots, so i either kill them, or stright up humiliate them Thalmor by killing them.
Hello from a Stormcloak.
The Thalmor sure do like acting all superior despite the fact they appear to be special ed compared to the Dwemer.
How do the thieves guild not agro on the thalmor after they attack?
1: The Thieves' Guild aren't killers.
2: They don't want to fuck with the Thalmor.
3: The Guild is in a bad spot right now, not at full power and can be easily dismantled.
4: There may be other ways into the Ratway.
@@Resi1ience well i think the simple answer is that he wasn't in the guild yet so they didn't give a fck
normally they wld slaughter anyone who appears
@@onizukasensei5321 true. But oh boy do they agro on the Thalmor, when you are! They cut those goldielocks to shreds. I was so amazed when I witnessed that for the first time that I did not raise my blade to help.
That and dodging spells, that is.
It happened so many times that I started putting runes near the entrance. I didn't have any idea why.
Gee I never seen that in all my yrs of playing ..lol thanks 😊👍
I’ve seen this scene before which only naturally led me to killing the thalmor immediately on site
So what happens if you kill Gissur before asking Vekel about Esbern?
Thalmor still magically appears in the Ratway
There's another spy, a khajiit, that stalks you in the city
I always kill that guy and everyone else inside the Thalmor embassy.
Yeah and I kill him every time too so I’d know
Don't forget about cat woman (forget her name) waiting outside rat way she a traitor
Do not presume, GISSUR!
For once one of these videos where the title isn't just clickbait for something EVERYONE KNOWS
I can confirm, I have in fact never seen this scene.
Luckily, the Thalmor agent didn't offer 856 gold for the information.
Never Seen this scene in all the years I have played since the game was released. WOW. But it's probably because on that Thalmor mission I end up killing everyone, lol.
It's an option not to slaughter ever smelly Mer in the building? Who knew.
In one of my play throughs i turned off essential npc's after completing all the quests and wacked everyone in the guild that had any empire or thalmor sympathies.
We surely shed lots of Thalmor blood didnt we...
Never, since 2011 I had not made a massacre in elven embassy.
This actually something new I never had before 😳
Yep I never knew that. Don't remember Gissur at all.
Due to the fact that everyone is trying to kill me in the embassy, I never leave the dude alive. He's always in the crossfire no matter what I do. I wish they could have left us some sort of motive or quest marker to keep him alive so we could see the rest of the quest progression. lol
Huh, legit didnt know about his and ive been playing since the games debut. Nice.
The last time I did this quest, I talked to Dirge. I left into the Ratway and killed the Thalmor there. I came back and he was still there. He immediately became agro but just ran and cowered in a corner. The guild members in the Flagon killed him, I never even talked to the guy.
Ohhhhhhhh!:) Now I'll definitely have to fire it up for a gazillionth time. Gotta see it!
Pretty cool. I wonder if the cat lady has any secret scene.
Literally did this for the first time last night and I have 500 plus hours in skyrim lol
Played this game since it got released. Never seen this 😮
Yeah, I never saw that. My plan for the Thalmor Embassy is "crashing this party... WITH NO SURVIVORS!"
Ok i didn't know the last conversation with Vekel and the Thalmor gg
Damn. Im glad by the time i did this shit, i was guildmaster. They aint fuckin handin over the boss to the thalmor.
I have +600 hours in Skyrim, I indeed, never see that , my respects sir.
Wow I didn’t know this was a scene!
New things even to this day
I got this once. Never again because I am never having a high enough sneak by the time I get to this part in the main quest.
Your right im one of the players never did the thief guild story line maybe one day ill prolly do a thief run
I have never experienced this in my 1000 hours in this game
Like most people here, I've played literally a thousand hours of this damn game and I've never seen this.
Damn. Vekel aint selling out no one. Although if they paid him he would straight up lead them to us.
what is the quest timing to make this happen? do you need to do immediately after the diplomatic immunity quest?
Subscribed. thanks. 😊
The baarkeeper has a pair of balls of steel
Never knew about this occasion!
Send all those elf heads back to the summerset isle 😂
Спустя 12 лет я узнаю об этйо сцене..обычно я этого челика убиваю вместе с талморами в посольстве... 1 слово - скайрим)
I missed this, because i kill them all in the thalmor embassy, every playthrough.
Oh boi now thats something I really missed
After all this time I never knew that
Woooooow. Thanks for showing us this!
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I'm 100% losing this scene, i destroyed Theives guild using a mod, nobody's there except the face sculpture
I was playing thieves guild quest when these guys randomly showed up behind me and they all died from my team it was slow because everyone just had like daggers
I ran into this scene but what happened was that I turned around to notice a group of Thalmar walking in at which point they saw me as well so I ran through the door into the next area. The Thalmar chased me and we ended up bottled in that tiny passageway on the other side of the door as they came through the door one at a time to get cut down.
99% Viewers MISSED tis TYPO in the Title.
Huh, I didn't know about this. I usually just go do the quest right away. But I always wondered how those elf bastards knew where to look. They aren't squeamish in going into the sewers.
Most players never saw this because it's bugged up the wazoo.
Damn I sure did miss this
This scene here is one of the reasons why the thieves guild is my favorite faction. XD
Aside from the guards ignoring my crimes, when some dumb npc runs Infront of me (just has I'm hitting a dragon or vampire.) And the increased gold, for the caravans and fences in each town. Should you do the special city jobs. (Wish they gave all game faction's, has much love.)
Plus it feels natural being part of them, since most quests in the game have you tomb robing anyway. (And Noctural does look awesome, in Vanilla Skyrim.) XD