WILL PHOEBE REPLACE JINHSI? - Pheobe Build Quickguide

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  • @coralreef6298
    @coralreef6298 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    There's this weird misconception I've been seeing everywhere about Phoebe powercreeping Jinhsi just because they're both Spectro... which makes zero sense, since one is Spectro focused while the other is literally Spectro Frazzle focused, they're different, they share the same element but mechanically it makes no sense to compare them to one another, imo.

    • @SanSanFTW
      @SanSanFTW 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Another is the type of dmg too. Jinshi is Skill DMG while Pheobe is Basic/Heavy Attack dmg

    • @coralreef6298
      @coralreef6298 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@SanSanFTW Yes! Thank you for adding that part which I didn't even take into account.

    • @shingukun2677
      @shingukun2677 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Powercreep has 2 ways people express it from what I keep seeing. Actual powercreep from the enemies getting stronger and personal powercreep from your account overlap. If it overlaps on your account, it has opportunity cost, and you're almost never in a situation where you need 2 teams of the same element. There's also different attack dmging types (heavy, basic, skill, liberation), so as long the Devs respect that it exists, it creates another protection layer. But the moment they start to ignore them is when it gets bad. A broken generalist is what propels powercreep and not a niche specialist.

    • @thomasb5307
      @thomasb5307 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      It does make sense because at the end of the day when facing content that are resistant against Spectro they are both gutted and you need an other team, while if a content is weak to Spectro they will both compete to be played.
      That's the reason why it's generally advised to have teams that work with different elements so you can exploit most of the weaknesses in ToA and events. Having damage on Reso skill, Liberation or basic attacks is meaningless since no ennemies are weak or strong against those types of damages, they are only important for team comps.
      Think about it, would you rather have 2 teams of different elements or 2 teams full Spectro damage if an event require to farm some hardcore Jue or Mourning Aix?

    • @coralreef6298
      @coralreef6298 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @ I don't have the right answer, but I've been clearing ToA consistently ever since 1.2 after getting Xingliao, with just Jinhsi and Xingliao, I skipped Fusion and Havoc Carries, I do have Carlotta now, but you can pretty much ignore specific element weaknesses in ToA (not so sure about the middle one now since they introduced this new.. res ignore bs..), if you make it up with skill and supports. And even though Jinhsi is my fav character, it doesn't mean I won't give Phoebe a try just because they're the same element, it makes no difference to me tbh, the only competition there is for me, is how much fun I get to have, that's all that matters for now. No ideia how the game landscape will change in the future..

  • @phoebefromwuwa
    @phoebefromwuwa 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    man ur vids r so quick & without useless info and stalling.. im subscribed this is so helpful

    • @gizmo_ph
      @gizmo_ph 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Take it with a grain of salt though. It's all subject to change since these information are leaks.

  • @ZerefCifer707
    @ZerefCifer707 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I like her but I'm sold on the Elf girl from the time she was leaked...even over Zani

    • @edge_bot
      @edge_bot 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Based elf enjoyer

    • @haileyboots
      @haileyboots 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      fr, i also already have jinhsi pretty decked out so im skipping phoebe. wind elf girl gonna be my third team main dps :')

    • @SarKo-4
      @SarKo-4 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Word is that due to the elf being a sentinel resonator and a thernodian resonator she will be able to use two elements. Ice and wind from what I’ve heard so far

    • @haruusami1831
      @haruusami1831 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SarKo-4 Which isn't surprising as in Lore, Rover can change between Spectro-Havoc seamlessly, wouldn't be even surprised that eventually Rover will have element that will be combination of two element.

    • @SarKo-4
      @SarKo-4 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ I think that’s alittle different brother. The elf chick was literally picked by both the sentinel and the thernodian

  • @anyaforgors
    @anyaforgors 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    With the upcoming endgame which is rumored to be aoe focus, she will be ahead of Jinhsi even though she has lower dmg

    • @RIKUZEN2
      @RIKUZEN2 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Jinshi can do Aoe Damage too???

    • @anyaforgors
      @anyaforgors 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @RIKUZEN2 she can but its really small radius and I always have to restart becuase enemies like to scatter if I cant one shot mobs in toa and I find it really annoying. Now if its the same in the new endgame, imma grab Phoebe, not that i wasnt going to anyways

    • @anyaforgors
      @anyaforgors 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@RIKUZEN2 also tried her in pincer and struggled there compared to camellya

    • @thomasb5307
      @thomasb5307 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@anyaforgors Depends which pincer because i had easier time wth Jinhsi personally., except for that one on Camellya release that gave such absurd buffs to Camellya that she could almost score enough point alone to get max result in the endless section.

    • @WisnuHusen-y7p
      @WisnuHusen-y7p 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@anyaforgors pincer is a poor barometer for this, coz pincer specifically benefit certain character or element or BOTH.

  • @Nikopteros
    @Nikopteros 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Is Jinshi powercrept? will Phoebe replace her?
    Short answer?... no.
    Long answer? while the utility in general may be a bit better Its a different type of damage and a different way of reaching the same result and if you already pulled for Jinshi, specially if you have sequence nodes and/or her weapon you have no need for Phoebe considering the difference is rather minor and they fulfill pretty much the same role. Jinshi will still easily clear nearly anything you want, if we're talking straight numbers and you don't have Jinshi its probably better to get Phoebe instead but considering the current gamestate. just pick your favorite waifu since both perform pretty much the same or whale it out and get both I don't know, do whatever you want i'm not your dad.

    • @RampageTryhard
      @RampageTryhard 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The strong aspect of Jinshi is that any other specter character that also reduces the resistance of that element is a good complement, since Jinshi only needs a support that provides coordination attaks, but she herself serves to carry two DPS. This is because its ability to generate two concertos in a short time is excellent for quickswap.
      Then we will see powerful quickswap combinations between Jinshi and Phoebe. I have my Yuanwu ready and fully equipped: with the coordinated set, with 6000 defense, so that it can serve as quick support, providing shield, concert efficiency, defense and attack buff.

    • @Viewer13128
      @Viewer13128 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      what about all the recent videos pumped out by CCs saying that Jinhsi is still the #1 meta, etc.? are those exaggerating and Phoebe will be stronger than Jinhsi?

    • @Nikopteros
      @Nikopteros 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ She's absolutely really strong don't get me wrong, its just as a new player if you still don't have a spectro dps, you might wanna go with Phoebe, they're both to be fair really good options since Jinshi can work with a lvl1 taoqi and a lvl1 yuanwu and nuke everything and Phoebe works well with the MC and Sanhua which you cant NOT have. and Sanhua works at lvl1 too, so they're both really f2p friendly, all that to say. there's arguments for both. and none are the "wrong option" from what we know. just choose whichever is better for your account. if your sanhua is taken or don't wanna build your MC get jinshi, if you don't wanna use Taoqi or her supports like Zhezhi, mortefi or Yinlin are taken then you might wanna go for phoebe. I personally preffer Jinshi, and I already have her S1 with her weapon so I have no use for Phoebe currently

    • @Nikopteros
      @Nikopteros 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Oh absolutely, I have her S1 with her weapon, and she's so versatile in teambuilding its crazy, taoqi or yuanwu? mortefi and verina? zhezhi and shorekeeper? yinlin and verina? it all works and makes everything explode. I personally see no reason to pull Phoebe but i'm trying to argue that even if objectively she were more versatile or stronger, the difference cant be that great considering wherever I put Jinshi I clear the content. so its up to preference/account state at that point

    • @Viewer13128
      @Viewer13128 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Nikopteros oh do I need both mc and sanhua in phoebe team, or just one of them?

  • @NLGogeta
    @NLGogeta 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Short answer: no Phoebe will NOT powercreep Jinhsi. For one Jinhsi is skill damage whereas, Phoebe is basic/heavy attack specialist who also does a debuff similar to Spectro MC. Two different characters mechanically

  • @Shine-zg4gg
    @Shine-zg4gg 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Very well made cpean easy to understand informational guide thank you!

  • @kaaihi4548
    @kaaihi4548 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    another thing to note about spectro rover is that the forte enchanced skill applies shimmer which prevents spectro frazzle stacks from decreasing for 9 seconds

  • @andresramirez3640
    @andresramirez3640 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i knew my spectro rejuv set with 53/230 was going to be usefull someday! healer spectro rover let’s fking goooo

  • @gizmo_ph
    @gizmo_ph 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    IMO, Phoebe and Jhinsi are in different damage brackets. Jhinsi's role is to nuke tf out of any content thrown at her as well as have a very short rotation time and she is VERY GOOD at that. Phoebe's role is to have as much field time and dealing good amount of damage while she is doing her combos and attacks while applying a debuff. I don't see any power creeping here. Also, the term is being used very loosely. Power creep means turning the other units obsolete or non-meta.

  • @Mini_Ghost
    @Mini_Ghost 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    if you get Verina +4 she's a Spectro buffer 😁

    • @devin3955
      @devin3955 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I just got her s4 when I lost to Zhezi’s banner so this is kind’ve a positive in my failure 😂

    • @Mini_Ghost
      @Mini_Ghost 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@devin3955 in every grey cloud there's always a silver lining

  • @yamayama7151
    @yamayama7151 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just hope that we can have another coordinated atk for jinhsi because i really don't want to pull for zhezhi

    • @juanLA725
      @juanLA725 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yinlin, Yuanwu and Mortefi using moonlit clouds are pretty good with her (but you need Mortefi s4 to make him useful to Jinshi)

  • @o_o-037
    @o_o-037 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kurogames understands that powercreeps is bad for the longevity of characters, which is why each character is excellent in their role, especially the 4-stars.
    I'm not pulling for Pheobie because:
    1) I already have an OP Jinshi
    2) I'm saving up for Zani & Cartethyia
    No shade to those who want Pheobie. I think she's interesting.
    But compared to Jinshi, she's better in some areas and worse in others.
    Each character fills their niche very well without making other characters redundant. The aim is to give each character a unique playstyle that will resonate with at least SOMEONE.
    No character has a set of combos that every type of player will be comfortable with. So it makes sense that having an alternative to Jinshi will make some players happy if they feel dissatisfied with how Jinshi plays.

    • @RumbaRumbaDa
      @RumbaRumbaDa 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I was gonna skip her as well until I saw her exploration selling point.. girl can literally fly and follow up with the new flying thing we got as of 2.0 that lets u fly around. No character currently can allow easy access to flying without going to a high elevation.. or performing the combo to get u high and fly. Just her able to do that got me in a bit of a weird spot of weather I still want her or not lol 😥

  • @serinnamayberry1340
    @serinnamayberry1340 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will phoebe power creep Jinshi? No. Not "sort of" just simply "No" because Jinshi does nuke damage while phoebe does frazzle damage and frazzle damage builds over time that's why reading the buffs echo's give play an important role

  • @centurionix7886
    @centurionix7886 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I want pull her to duo Jinshi&Phoebe😂

    • @rem3355
      @rem3355 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same😂 idc about the meta i just want the cuties

    • @centurionix7886
      @centurionix7886 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ these 2 mf would nuke toa

  • @finalavanger6803
    @finalavanger6803 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    She won't replace JINSHI since she use "SPECTRO FRAZZLE" set

  • @finalavanger6803
    @finalavanger6803 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2:07 Sanhua is top Basic dmg buffer, she's 2-3sec onfield rotation.

  • @eldritkh6672
    @eldritkh6672 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    2:20 you forgot about rovers shimmer which pauses frazzles duration

  • @aldybandojo
    @aldybandojo 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    omfg i want both characters in the next patch 😭

  • @QuanterJ
    @QuanterJ 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You are wrong about mentioning Mortefi in her teams since she has self-amplification on her heavy attacks (so his outdo buff will be insignificant, the same is applied to Verina and Shorekeeper). Also, she doesn’t have many attacks so Mortefi's own damage from ult will be low. On the other hand, on her ult she has multiplier increase instead of self-amplification, so her best partners would be Jianxin, Yinlin, Changli (assuming third slot is obviously Spectro Rover).

  • @jamesarden317
    @jamesarden317 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i dont have a main damage dealer(i still use Chixia). My team is Verina and Zhezhi. Should i get Jinhsi now or wait for Phoebe? I would not be able to get Jinhsi's weapon if i chose her as i have only enough astrites for her pull so this is one of my concerns as well. Kindly enlighten me. I appreciate the help

    • @aabluequeen56
      @aabluequeen56 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well both Phoebe and Jinhsi having the most f2p comp ever in this game. You can chose the one you like. Jinhsi f2p comp Jinhsi/Verina (moonlit)/ Yuanwu healer, with this comp you doesn't even need to lv up verina and yuanwu just slap the 2 cost 3 ER in moonlit for verina

    • @Subaruu-kun
      @Subaruu-kun 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think phoebe would be better in terms of rotation, cuz u need zhezhi or any other coord team that isn't spectro for jinhsi to easily max her forte gauge for a big nuke, but it seems u have zhezhi though. You also need like 85% or more crit rate cuz sometimes her big nuke doesn't crit even if it's 90% which will be a bummer since her big nuke is her main damage. Phoebe on the other hand is pretty much easier to use in my opinion cuz she can crit easily so you don't have to focus on that point... she has two different forte as well, like... she can be a dps or sub dps, it's just that she doesn't have a dedicated team yet aside from the new spectro rover and shorekeeper.

    • @coralreef6298
      @coralreef6298 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Phoebe is much easier to build and her biggest support - Spectro Rover is literally given for free with max Sequences, the spectro frazzle set giving you a whooping 20% crit rate for free as long as spectro frazzle is in effect is a godsend.

    • @haruusami1831
      @haruusami1831 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I go Phoebe, if you don't have Zhezhi,Yinlin for coordinated attack, you're going to rely on Yuanwu which only provides coordinated,shield.
      And if you want to maximize Jinhsi dmg, you gotta need a char. that buffs R.Skill so the only option F2P is Taoqi & Lumi, which means you're going to build Yuanwu with Rejuvenating Set which means no healer, you're only going to use Yuanwu for the coordinated attack and the Rejuvenating buff, while Phoebe has S.Rover as the current de-facto duo for her.
      Not only that Phoebe is much more useful in overworld than Jinhsi, so Utility and easier to build etc Phoebe, if you want easier gameplay Jinhsi but need good investment with team.

    • @markohh99
      @markohh99 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can't believe these guys recommend Phoebe. You have zhezhi already. So Jinhsi it is. Perfect team. A no brainer really.

  • @Yewrenegade
    @Yewrenegade 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not really power crept except if it's the sentinels resonator like Cartheya. However Phoebe being a other Spectro Frazzle debuffer is really nice and can test out new ways to play

  • @AliagaAyin
    @AliagaAyin 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    /we'll have Jhnshi, Zani and Phoebe as spectro DPS, meanwhile all we have for Aero is Jyian

  • @tenmachama
    @tenmachama 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bruh now i also need to build spectro rover and mortefi

  • @SarKo-4
    @SarKo-4 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don’t get why people say power creep when it’s actually not. Chick literally is a dot and can be put into multiple different roles. Yall just be saying anything with that.

  • @omumo
    @omumo 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does her sig useful for verina?

  • @devin3955
    @devin3955 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So should I ignore skill liberation and resonance liberation as substats?

  • @LostSerenity
    @LostSerenity 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    i dont think phoebe can powercreep my jinhsi that deals 700k per full stacks of forte. but ill still get phoebe for collection

  • @isidroduarte8942
    @isidroduarte8942 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Playing full spectro team with both and the MC or Verina.

  • @blueberry7478
    @blueberry7478 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro, why should we worry about "powercreep" sometging which will eventually happen?
    All these characters are too amazing to choose one over another. 😂

  • @akarinee8158
    @akarinee8158 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    spoiler: she will not replace Jinhsi

  • @Nakime1230
    @Nakime1230 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i dont think so my f2p jinshi hits 365k which no other char does even carlotta cant .....so dont think jinshi can be surpassed

    • @sil4344
      @sil4344 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      My Carlotta hits around 600-700k with SK and Zhezhi. I don't have Jinhsi so can't compare them

  • @HarshitRaghuvanshi-n9i
    @HarshitRaghuvanshi-n9i 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is it worthwhile to go for s1 sequence or s2 sequence

    • @-Marc06
      @-Marc06 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think it's best to stop at S1

    • @Subaruu-kun
      @Subaruu-kun 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@-Marc06 S3 boosts her dps greatly, but again if S3 hehe

  • @larissa1392
    @larissa1392 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is Zani a shielder?

  • @twilightdragon3140
    @twilightdragon3140 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Such a stupid topic to talk

  • @serinnamayberry1340
    @serinnamayberry1340 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Even though rovers Spectro damage is getting an increase that still doesn't mean rover is going to power creep Jinshi nor will Phoebi you guys are looking for something that isn't in the game because your use to it being in Genshin when a game like Wuthering Waves shows it doesn't need power creep mechanics to be good, you can't deal with that so your making things up to deal with it, when Changli came out it was the same thing "oh she's going to power creep Jinshi and it never happened. What in the hell automatically makes you think that? Oh, just because Phoebi is Spectro as well she's going to power creep her? Again, Jinshi isn't top dps for no reason she was created as a character to be that way.

  • @serinnamayberry1340
    @serinnamayberry1340 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    How many times does Kuro have to prove that there isn't any power creeping in this damn game? Ever since Jinshi came out all you hear is how players keep saying the next character is going to power creep her and it never happens it was said with Changli, and it didn't happen it was said with Camillya and it never happened now you have Carlotta and Roccia still nothing even when Shore Keeper came out still no power creep look Kuro has already stated that there isn't any power creeping why can't players just except this fact and just play the damn game and be happy ?

    • @serinnamayberry1340
      @serinnamayberry1340 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      With Jue giving Jinshi power that makes her a celestial goddess why would anyone think phoebe will power creep her? Jenshi was made the most powerful in the game for a reason and that's to protect her people, so she was created story wise to be the most powerful stop looking for power creep already and just enjoy the game if you want power creep go back to Genshin HSR ZZZ or ToF

    • @coralreef6298
      @coralreef6298 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because Gacha players in general have PTSD from other gacha games ramping up and using powercreep as a justification to get more people to pull on new characters and making old ones completely obsolete or much weaker.. But I agree that it's really weird seeing these panik takes, if anything, I feel that with each new character released, we're getting reverse power creep, where there ends up being more team options that can elevate previous units, it's great!

    • @serinnamayberry1340
      @serinnamayberry1340 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@coralreef6298 Yeah there's been 6 updates since Jinshi's release and since then every character starting from Changli wasn't able to power creep her because it wasn't meant to be that way. Kuro doesn't want power creep in their game because it will ruin the enjoyment of the game, also make it imperative that you spend more in the game to keep up meta like certain other games, like you said they are only focusing on teams that work well with each other, I've seen video's saying power creep this power creep that but as for Jinshi she was created story wise to be the strongest in the game due to her role .