Yes, but that is a massively worse computer. The whole point of this test is to compare Microsoft’s newest chip apple’s This is Microsoft’s first arm based chip, which is supposed to match the MacBooks. That’s why this test was done.
A few corrections: - The Surface has a smaller screen: this is wrong. The two have very different screen ratios. The MacBook has a 16:10 ratio while the Surface has a 3:2 display, which, considering the diagonals, we end up with 568 cm2 total surface on the MacBook vs 567 cm2 on the Surface. Basically the same, probably 1-2 more cm2 for the Surface, considering the notch on the Mac. - The MacBook having a lager battery the two sharing the same footprint: yet the MacBook is a bit over 200 grams/0.46 lbs heavier. The footprint is similar, the weight is different, thus the visibly larger battery. Probably, a fairer comparison would be with the 13.6 inches MacBook Air M3, which this 13.8 inches Surface is actually competing with? With similar prices, similar battery sizes (52.6 vs 54 Wh) and a more similar speaker setup? Even though, in that case, the Mac's screen will be 31+ cm2 smaller, the rest of the specs and, especially, the prices align much better than in the current comparison.
Well considering M4 is efficient enough to put into an extremely thin iPad, my guess is an M4 version of the MacBook pro will either have better battery life than previous, or same battery but lower weight and thinner body
@@alvarobaltazar831 you're right he should test the lenovo that also has a 14inch 3k screen, the same 70Wh battery but it's an OLED, even if it's 90Hz it should consime a lot more than Mini-LED
Okay this is a bit unfair. You didn't cap the FPS in the game leading to the mac book doing a BUNCH of more work, even touching 100+ fps while the x elite had trouble staying at 30.
I think this is a setting of the operating system, and not a problem with the laptop. The author should have removed the CPU limit(in power saving mode) in the Windows 11 system settings for a better test.
still that was mostly gaming.. But the Macbook did change to only 7 FPS with the last 5 percent etc... so wasnt completely unfair.. if this was everyday work the macbook was way behind in battery!
@@benthebossjackson4388 im sure if id rather have 80-100 fps than 20-30 fps but personal choice ig, and i f i really wanted to extend battery id cap the fps to 30 then the mac wouldve probably won
this is the best test i've seen, not using benchmarking software to estimate battery longevity, but using robot hand and real world applications, really shows what it can be expected for us to do work in these laptops. kudos! subscribed!
Max Tech did MB Air, and the Macbook won easily. He didn't do gaming, which heavily favours the Surface as it has only 33% of the FPS, so the Macs consume far more wattage to achieve that. He said in the video that the Mac would have got 39 mins extra if running the game at the same FPS as the Surface.
@@innocentanthony3324 Yes, the M1 was a fantastic chip, and I bought a couple of MacBook Pro 13s with it in it. Nearly 4 years old and are still going great.
Definitely should have been the MBA. Screen resolution, screen size, weight, and graphics performance are all closer. Battery size is about the same. To make it even fairer they can switch the Surface display refresh rate down to 60hz.
If you do this again, I have a suggestion for the gaming section. Try to cap the framerate to something that both laptops can run so that both laptops are doing the same work. Other than that, love the video and I find the results really interesting because I wasn't the X Elite to last nearly as long as it did.
@@sueside I've checked on multiple sites and all of them say that touchscreens drain more battery and chat gpt also says that touchscreens drain battery 5-15% faster
It would be interesting to see this same test but with their "Power Saver" modes turn on. The Mac's can be crazy efficient when only running on their Efficienty Cores vs how Window's tends to manage it.
@@nikosnikos6632I have an M2 MacBook Pro. Parallels desktop reports out running at 3.2 GHZ without low power mode. With low power mode enabled, it seems to clock down to 2.2 GHZ. It also helps out stay a lot cooler. Without low power mode it gets up to 106 Celsius (very hot on the bottom plate! Plus the thermal paste that Apple uses doesn’t seem to be good quality, when I tried to change it, it was very crusty). With low power mode enabled, it only gets up to 50 Celsius, both measurements in a room temperature environment. I mostly use this laptop for school and 3D modeling. With useable performance, low power mode really limits the performance in Blender, while MS word and Google docs have no performance hit. My surface pro 7 had similar things going on but less effective. I did find one thing though, if you go to mobility center in windows, you can change the power plan to power saver mode, and it clocks down from 1.5 GHZ to 0.86 GHZ. Huge performance hit, but for browsing and word processing, not a big deal. Also HUGE change in temperature.
Wow! This is the best "real world" test that I've seen! I am typing this from a (new) Surface Laptop 7. For my personal use case, the battery life is out of this world, in comparison to any Intel-based laptop I've ever owned. Since I am not likely to switch to MacOS, this is a major win for people like me!
@@PradiptaGitaya Yeah, I get you. I wouldn't do anything beyond light gaming on an ultrabook, like the Surface. I also wouldn't want the extra weight of the MB Pro, for my uses. It's more powerful than I need for a portable use. I have a desktop for gaming and heavy use case scenarios, b/c it does the best for both, especially AAA gaming. Either way, for someone who would not switch to MacOS, anything close to the battery life of a MacBook is a win!
@@PradiptaGitayathe frame rate thing shouldn’t matter here, assuming both devices are running at their fullest, this is like comparing a horse and a cheetah, both at their fullest one might run faster, but it can’t run at its full as long as the other.
I’ve been eyeing the SL7 even as a Mac user. I’m staying with Mac for now. Once windows on arm and its software support improves, I’ll have a hard decision to make. Glad you’re happy with your new laptop!
While the test does show that the Surface has a longer battery life, it's also quite unfair as the workloads were different in some aspects, especially in the gaming round. A framerate cap would've been a better choice for such test
if the macbook won, you wouldnt find any reason to defend it. Alot of other battery test on surface show it running emulated apps but no one defends it. emulated apps = more battery used. So pls
@Rusty01 there is nothing to defend.. even the Macbook emulating the same things.. both use double transition layer to run the game, x86 to ARM and DirectX to Vulcan or DirectX to Metal... so why do you think anybody need to defend that, when they are doing the same work there..?
@@nathanross4036 I think it’s important to emphasise how much double or triple the framerate is. A jump from a RTX2070 to a RTX3070 doesn’t have this performance leap and the 3070 is an exemptions card
Another thing to consider is whether Windows has an ARM based Tomb Raider version because if this is an x86 version, it means the surface is doing those framerates with an emulator and would perform much better with an arm based version.
Incredible video, great work! As an owner of both MacBook's and the new X Plus surface 7, I am glad to finally see a good bit of competition between the Chip makers, looking good for the future of computers for all of us. Thanks again.
nice to see you are starting to test laptops. Would be nice if next time you also mention what power budget and profile is active on the devices. Also a final normalized (on battery size) battery score would be nice
A vital piece of information is missing from this video (or I didn't catch it): What power plan was the Surface laptop 7 running on ? Recommended ? Better performance ? Best Performance ? These have an impact on battery life and performance. Could you please update ? Otherwise, great job !
Power definitely isn’t on par but it’s great that there are finally windows laptops that can compete with Apple now. The apple-esque design of the surface also looks good to me.
the M3 Pro is a MUCH more powerful chip tho. This comparison is just weird. He should've used the 13" MBA with M3 for that. The M3 Pro basically demolishes the X Elite in most tasks, ESPECIALLY in everything that is graphics related.
@@Raja995mh33 it has a gpu and the one in the x elite is not recognised by any software yet(not sure if it even has a gpu) and that's the top of the line x elite, we don't just have one x elite chip
One note - Apple is known NOT to have linear battery status. Dropping from 100% to 90% takes longer than from 90% to 80% (they want give you the feeling that it last longer than it really does). At least that's the case with iphones. You may want to test this with macbooks
@@ASEM-1123 Apple generally underrates the capacity, which changes the algorithms. For example, iPhones usually have 3-5% larger batteries than stated, so it takes longer to get below 100%.
Awesome battery comparison man! Change the channel name to PCBuff, all Phones, Laptops/Macbooks, Desktops/iMacs & Tablets/iPad are PCs (Personal Computers).
@@Prakyy Macbook pushed 3~4x more FPS in gaming with higher resolution than the dinky suface laptop, ofc it will use more power 🤦♂️ The higher the resolution the harder the laptop has to work. Imagine if the Surface pushed the same fps and resolution as the macbook, then thats a whole different story
This guy is apple fan, he didn't mentioned that the Snapdragon X Elite won as when apple products last longer in other videos. I know he will say that surface laptop don't deserved because it suck in all categories but since it was about battery test he should be proud of it.
He said that if the Mac had performed as poorly as the Surface in gaming, it would have lasted 40 minutes longer. Looking at the far superior speakers, if you had used the inferior Surface speakers on the Mac, that would have been at least another 20 minutes extra for the Mac. I conclude that the Mac has only 7 min less runtime, but the benefit of superior GPU, speakers, larger screen and display brightness gives the Mac a very easy win.
Kind of interesting but what power management settings did you have each on & were they consistently applied through all tests? For this kind of test, I'd say that was pretty essential information.
This just shows how utterly stupid that notch is on the Macbook since it doesn't even offer a secure face unlock and the Windows machine does. Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave if he saw this kind of design language infused into Apple products 🤮
yeah lol. I can see him trying to be unbaised but he definitely didn't liked that the mac lost. Him trying to make excuse on why Mac was on disadvantage was cringe. Not only was it not in disadvantage, it was favoured. Had bigger battery, the game tested has Mac native arm port and was running via emulation on windows
yeah so many caveats and excuses for the Mac. His phone tests are usually more unbiased but this to me sounded very fanboyish. I had liked the video at first then I took my like back lol
Snapdragon x Elite does not have an efficiency course and is so efficient and yet it doesn't have an efficiency course compared to the M3. Well that is something. Good job phone buff
Well if u close the lid and leave it for 8-10hours it doesn't use a lot of battery, it only loses like 1-2% just like macbook. So it's fine even with no efficiency cores. 2nd generation of x elite will definitely have efficiency cores i hope.
Both have the ability to last way longer if the user is smart. Such as better browser choice, lowering to 1080p resolution, Bluetooth speakers, brightness etc. In the goal to be exactly the same it becomes a less real world representation.
I have the Surface Pro X Elite, and its battery life is about half that of my MB Air 15 M2 when both are in power-saving mode. Still trying to figure out how you are getting these SOTs.
i think it would be super interesting if you would do a comparison about music genres, like testing on the same phone genres with more bass/drums and testing one with more chill music for example to see if different sounds change on battery drainage
@@dukerex1285I am not sure when it comes to gaming... Macbook has their own GPU cores integrated within the chip. Meanwhile the Qualcom does not as far as I know
The frame rate was because of non native games. So technically, it was still pushing the chipset to its max by emulating. You should have tried a native game
MS says that emulation is so good that there is barely any difference compared to native performance. Dave2D said 11% emulation cost. That would only make the Surface 33FPS compared to 90FPS on the Mac. Not sure you can make that excuse.
@andyH_England Dave said 11% emulation cost but he didn't say battery cost. Besides that, the 11% does not translate to FPS. The significantly higher FPS means that the grafic card was used mainly which means much less power drain.
if on gaming maybe.. everything else the surface pro was way better... if the surface pro had the same amount on battery size as the macbook it would of won easily. the macbook ran higher FPS but every day working on it failed... even with bigger battery
The Mac performs much better in speakers and FPS in gaming, which anyone with technical know-how understands will drain the battery faster. Having less battery but 3X FPS and 2X better speakers is an easy win for the Mac! BIG deals on Amazon now mean the prices are the same with the same spec.
@@leonardodavidariasruizto reach the same price he had to fully max out the surface while using the base model macbook. And the main things that actually get maxed out in that config are storage and ram, the soc isn't even the fastest X elite chip. The screen is also an oled
Nice comparison. Can u do a video on battery comparison between macbook pro M3 and macbook pro M3 pro as every youtuber is talking about the extra RAM but no one's talking about the battery timing in a daily work situation as this is more important for some as compared to the memory.
I don’t like these kind of battery tests because the chosen applications directly affects the result, making it possible to choose the winner before the test starts.
I'd love to see this same test done again in 6 months after the first few optimization updates drop. I'd expect a lot better battery and maybe some performance gains
I dont understand why people even think a windows laptop could even come close to a macbook. I switched to a mac and it is a totally different world. Putting aside the fact that any unix based os beats windows, the build quality of mac is totally amazing
Im a windows guy, but as long as your not gaming and just gone with some office stuff, the damn M1 MBA or even the M2, MBP was still compelling to be quite honest, I have bought a macbook air M1, way back 2021, and man I thought I'll just hold the value and resell it once the GPU prices back then normalized, hell I got really fond of it and still use it to this day sometimes on more hours than any windows machine Im using, just browsing, office works, man this thing can even sketchup and autocad pretty well, but again, dont expect gaming on this thang haha.. this little guy can last you a day with the use I mentioned.
"... why people even think a windows laptop could even come close to a macbook". Followed by the video showing us the windows laptop indeed beating macbook in a battery test. Keep in mind that this is still first gen, and it has smaller battery.
@@rayawira Take into consideration the resolution, speakers and performance, not even close to the macbook, you need to accept that "MICROSOFT" laptops (im not talking about other brands) are trash, and I have both and I regret buying de Microsoft one
@@rayawira also its not optimized yet and its using a translate layer, of course it will be some performance hits, and people say mac mac maac!!! Really stupid, yes the mac is good bcuz its own optimization only!! So if they can optimize the windows for arm yes it will have a big shot to win.
0:19 Does this mean you compared the 18gb/512gb macbook pro with the 32gb/1TB surface laptop? Because those are the only configurations that cost $2000.
In that case it seems the surface offers quite a bit of value over the macbook. Double the storage, nearly double the ram and slightly better battery performance with a significantly smaller battery. Performance is definitely better on the macbook, but that might be down to optimizations needed for the X Elite chip. Plus it doesn't throttle at all which is a bonus!
What all of those compare Videos don’t take into account. If you are invested in a Eco System you are not jumping ship just because the other guy is a little faster. I for my part love the seamless integration of all my Apple devices, something Microsoft just does not have. Choose what suits you best but don’t be a fanboy or girl, cause in the end those are multi billion companies that are interested in your money first and foremost.
Both were set on default as he does on every battery test. My MB Pro gets a lot more battery on low-power mode so it is unfair to fiddle with settings especially as the 30FPS on the gaming test would be unplayable 20FPS on the Surface on low mode.
Good video. Question, what refresh rate and which performance setting was the Surface set to? Because that'll definitely effect battery performance a lot. Imagine if Microsoft use that same 70wh battery that Apple uses.
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between the two in productivity software like Lightroom, Photoshop, video editing... Testing the speed and the battery. About the GPU performance, how are we in terms of GPU drivers support for the Snapdragon? It should perform better that it did.
bro, test the new lenovo it has the same battery as the macbook
He Like an Amateur
@@emin62bekthis is literally the first time he’s testing something other than phones, the tests will get better with time
Yes, but that is a massively worse computer. The whole point of this test is to compare Microsoft’s newest chip apple’s This is Microsoft’s first arm based chip, which is supposed to match the MacBooks. That’s why this test was done.
Its qualcoms not Microsofts @@SaveTheInsects_Team
Why? Microsoft is the owner of windows and therefore it only makes sense to use their hardware
Now...do the drop test!
Bro he’s no millionaire or something 😂
xd
cringe asf
watching phones getting dropped is one thing and watching laptops getting dropped is another, the later hurts more.
No need bro
No need at allllll
A few corrections:
- The Surface has a smaller screen: this is wrong. The two have very different screen ratios. The MacBook has a 16:10 ratio while the Surface has a 3:2 display, which, considering the diagonals, we end up with 568 cm2 total surface on the MacBook vs 567 cm2 on the Surface. Basically the same, probably 1-2 more cm2 for the Surface, considering the notch on the Mac.
- The MacBook having a lager battery the two sharing the same footprint: yet the MacBook is a bit over 200 grams/0.46 lbs heavier. The footprint is similar, the weight is different, thus the visibly larger battery.
Probably, a fairer comparison would be with the 13.6 inches MacBook Air M3, which this 13.8 inches Surface is actually competing with? With similar prices, similar battery sizes (52.6 vs 54 Wh) and a more similar speaker setup? Even though, in that case, the Mac's screen will be 31+ cm2 smaller, the rest of the specs and, especially, the prices align much better than in the current comparison.
The fact that you didn't mention the 30% more battery power of the Mac makes it sound biased
Remember that 16:10 on MacBook Pro is without the top screen, if we combine that too then it would be close to 3:2
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@@bolumstarhow does that matter?? He's comparing battery performance not chip efficiency
actually you are wrong on the first point because the pixels the Mac has to power are more than the Surface
Sounds like capping the frame rate would have made things a little more fair. I wonder how a comparison to an M4 MacBook Pro would turn out.
Well considering M4 is efficient enough to put into an extremely thin iPad, my guess is an M4 version of the MacBook pro will either have better battery life than previous, or same battery but lower weight and thinner body
Yes
@@Metamine0 it has some overheating issue
Performance per watt goes to the macbook for sure.
Also the smaller battery in the surface makes things more than fair.
The fact that it has a 30% smaller battery and was still able to keep up is mind boggling.
se te olvido que tiene pantalla mas pequeña y MUCHO MENOS RESOLUCION, sea objetivo amigo.
It's 3nm
@@fredrickbambino there is a translate button stop the nonsense
@@alvarobaltazar831 you're right he should test the lenovo that also has a 14inch 3k screen, the same 70Wh battery but it's an OLED, even if it's 90Hz it should consime a lot more than Mini-LED
@@MainInternetUser There isn’t one for me.
where can we (asking for a friend) find those robot hands to scrub the hard to reach areas in the shower?
I’m gonna make it reach places the light wouldn’t.☺️
@@rohankay8835💀
Sure Wolowitz 😂😂
@@rohankay8835 Why do u want to take risk, A small mistake by it can make give regret for ever.
@@JayWillDo hahahahahaha that I the best comment I have seen in a while. thanks for the laugh. ps I love the show big bang theory
Okay this is a bit unfair. You didn't cap the FPS in the game leading to the mac book doing a BUNCH of more work, even touching 100+ fps while the x elite had trouble staying at 30.
I think this is a setting of the operating system, and not a problem with the laptop. The author should have removed the CPU limit(in power saving mode) in the Windows 11 system settings for a better test.
still that was mostly gaming.. But the Macbook did change to only 7 FPS with the last 5 percent etc... so wasnt completely unfair..
if this was everyday work the macbook was way behind in battery!
@@benthebossjackson4388 im sure if id rather have 80-100 fps than 20-30 fps but personal choice ig, and i f i really wanted to extend battery id cap the fps to 30 then the mac wouldve probably won
The surface’s design team just decided to make a macbook. Same size trackpad and all
And.. that’s a good thing
Still couldn't fit the same size battery
@@sandenium more than enough. No one games on macs or should be gaming on productivity laptops
And, thankfully, they skipped the notch. :)
@@DavidRamirez-vc8drmacs aren't good at anything but browse the web LOL
Huge respect for being able to pull this off 🙌🏿
Hlo sir you are my favourite black tech youtuber❤ bcz u do things in systematic way❤
this is the best test i've seen, not using benchmarking software to estimate battery longevity, but using robot hand and real world applications, really shows what it can be expected for us to do work in these laptops. kudos! subscribed!
Why not the air.. isn’t the MacBook a different segment and much higher price ?
Not to mention they have almost the same battery size.
Max Tech did MB Air, and the Macbook won easily. He didn't do gaming, which heavily favours the Surface as it has only 33% of the FPS, so the Macs consume far more wattage to achieve that. He said in the video that the Mac would have got 39 mins extra if running the game at the same FPS as the Surface.
@@andyH_England the air m1 air actually performed better in some test compared to this macbook pro
@@innocentanthony3324 Yes, the M1 was a fantastic chip, and I bought a couple of MacBook Pro 13s with it in it. Nearly 4 years old and are still going great.
Definitely should have been the MBA. Screen resolution, screen size, weight, and graphics performance are all closer. Battery size is about the same. To make it even fairer they can switch the Surface display refresh rate down to 60hz.
Damn PhoneBuff is testing laptops now. Keep up the amazing work! 🎉
Both laptops drained their batteries in a six-minute video, while I watched the entire video on my phone without additional charging.
0:23 That's the mid tier X-Elite chip. Not the top end chip.
If you do this again, I have a suggestion for the gaming section. Try to cap the framerate to something that both laptops can run so that both laptops are doing the same work.
Other than that, love the video and I find the results really interesting because I wasn't the X Elite to last nearly as long as it did.
hm
That's insane! Same battery life with way less battery capacity, sure less power but still probably plenty for daily use
And the fact it have a fan and touch screen makes it even more insane.
@@fancy3774Fan is a minus in my opinion. If good performance can be sustained I prefer the completely quiet operation of a fanless design.
What a unique design from Microsoft 😂
😂😂😂 we have never seen this design before yeah.. 😂
Skipped straight up to the test and had to look twice to see which one is the macbook lmao
@@salvadorr4727 ppl don't care as long as they get to eat the best.
Yeah, inspired by the UNIQUE chip design from ex-Apple engineers! lol 😂
@@jindays the worse looking one
Another thing to consider is that the surface pro has touchscreen while the mac doesn't so the surface's screen draws more power
I think it’s negligible
Yeah, compared to every hardware on the device the touch functionality of the screen is absurdly insignificant in terms of power draw.
@@sueside I've checked on multiple sites and all of them say that touchscreens drain more battery and chat gpt also says that touchscreens drain battery 5-15% faster
Touch screens on laptop aren’t constantly active so it’s probably irrelevant
@@SA-xf7pc I mean its gotta be waiting for any activity so it has to be passive active
I’d imagine performance would’ve been better if the MacBook Pro was using Safari in the first test since it would be using its own software…
Safari is garbage.
So true. Chrome is horrible
Yes but that wouldn't have been fair cuz most of the people around the world uses Chrome so makes sense to test on it.
Nobody use safari everyone use chrome
@@arcoks chrome is nasty. The size of the the app is hundreds of MB. But it looks like bare cupboard.
Definitely getting a Surface laptop now..Love your video!
It would be interesting to see this same test but with their "Power Saver" modes turn on. The Mac's can be crazy efficient when only running on their Efficienty Cores vs how Window's tends to manage it.
I believe the performance cores are also enabled but with GHz limit, i think they're capped around 2,5GHz
surface devices are notoriously good with their energy saver mode compared to other windows laptops
@@nikosnikos6632I have an M2 MacBook Pro. Parallels desktop reports out running at 3.2 GHZ without low power mode. With low power mode enabled, it seems to clock down to 2.2 GHZ. It also helps out stay a lot cooler. Without low power mode it gets up to 106 Celsius (very hot on the bottom plate! Plus the thermal paste that Apple uses doesn’t seem to be good quality, when I tried to change it, it was very crusty). With low power mode enabled, it only gets up to 50 Celsius, both measurements in a room temperature environment. I mostly use this laptop for school and 3D modeling. With useable performance, low power mode really limits the performance in Blender, while MS word and Google docs have no performance hit. My surface pro 7 had similar things going on but less effective. I did find one thing though, if you go to mobility center in windows, you can change the power plan to power saver mode, and it clocks down from 1.5 GHZ to 0.86 GHZ. Huge performance hit, but for browsing and word processing, not a big deal. Also HUGE change in temperature.
Wow! This is the best "real world" test that I've seen! I am typing this from a (new) Surface Laptop 7. For my personal use case, the battery life is out of this world, in comparison to any Intel-based laptop I've ever owned. Since I am not likely to switch to MacOS, this is a major win for people like me!
If you want to know the real result of this vid, skip the gaming test, because the macbook doing more job (70 fps) rather than the surface (25+ fps)
@@PradiptaGitaya Yeah, I get you. I wouldn't do anything beyond light gaming on an ultrabook, like the Surface. I also wouldn't want the extra weight of the MB Pro, for my uses. It's more powerful than I need for a portable use. I have a desktop for gaming and heavy use case scenarios, b/c it does the best for both, especially AAA gaming. Either way, for someone who would not switch to MacOS, anything close to the battery life of a MacBook is a win!
@@PradiptaGitayathe frame rate thing shouldn’t matter here, assuming both devices are running at their fullest, this is like comparing a horse and a cheetah, both at their fullest one might run faster, but it can’t run at its full as long as the other.
I’ve been eyeing the SL7 even as a Mac user. I’m staying with Mac for now. Once windows on arm and its software support improves, I’ll have a hard decision to make. Glad you’re happy with your new laptop!
While the test does show that the Surface has a longer battery life, it's also quite unfair as the workloads were different in some aspects, especially in the gaming round. A framerate cap would've been a better choice for such test
Exactly. Both used roughly the same amount of power but no consideration was given to the Macbook for delivering far more FPS.
if the macbook won, you wouldnt find any reason to defend it. Alot of other battery test on surface show it running emulated apps but no one defends it. emulated apps = more battery used. So pls
@@nathanross4036 He literally said it in the video
@Rusty01 there is nothing to defend.. even the Macbook emulating the same things.. both use double transition layer to run the game, x86 to ARM and DirectX to Vulcan or DirectX to Metal... so why do you think anybody need to defend that, when they are doing the same work there..?
@@nathanross4036 I think it’s important to emphasise how much double or triple the framerate is. A jump from a RTX2070 to a RTX3070 doesn’t have this performance leap and the 3070 is an exemptions card
PLEASE can you attach the exact build number or is version next time? This is really important
Another thing to consider is whether Windows has an ARM based Tomb Raider version because if this is an x86 version, it means the surface is doing those framerates with an emulator and would perform much better with an arm based version.
Also, Tomb Raider uses Ray Tracing so that was likely running eating more battery on the Mac. The X Elite has no Ray Tracing.
It's the emulated version on the Surface.
3:09 Why do them have different time? About 30 minutes of difference!
great comparison.
Love your unique setup for the test.
Incredible video, great work! As an owner of both MacBook's and the new X Plus surface 7, I am glad to finally see a good bit of competition between the Chip makers, looking good for the future of computers for all of us. Thanks again.
That was a really useful test, thank you! :)
We got Laptop tests before GTA 6! Exceptional!!!
This is an awesome test and video. Thanks for sharing and your patience.
Should we test the battery where 1 device render 23fps, the other is 60-70fps 😂
yes. this is battery test not performance test 🤡
@@YasinHasanum…. What?
nice to see you are starting to test laptops. Would be nice if next time you also mention what power budget and profile is active on the devices. Also a final normalized (on battery size) battery score would be nice
A vital piece of information is missing from this video (or I didn't catch it): What power plan was the Surface laptop 7 running on ? Recommended ? Better performance ? Best Performance ? These have an impact on battery life and performance. Could you please update ? Otherwise, great job !
Snapdragon X elite 🔥
They promised a performance similar to the default M3 on a MacBook Air and delivered a performance similar to the M3 Pro on a MacBook Pro wow
Power definitely isn’t on par but it’s great that there are finally windows laptops that can compete with Apple now.
The apple-esque design of the surface also looks good to me.
Wow surface pro 7 nailed it with 54Wh vs 70Wh 😅
Amazing
the M3 Pro is a MUCH more powerful chip tho.
This comparison is just weird. He should've used the 13" MBA with M3 for that.
The M3 Pro basically demolishes the X Elite in most tasks, ESPECIALLY in everything that is graphics related.
yeah, it is a stupid comparision and still the snapdragon won. what a victory.
Well 25fps game vs 70fps game
@@Raja995mh33 it has a gpu and the one in the x elite is not recognised by any software yet(not sure if it even has a gpu) and that's the top of the line x elite, we don't just have one x elite chip
Been watching your content since the iphone 6s came out, happy to see all the improvements since then. Great video.
One note - Apple is known NOT to have linear battery status. Dropping from 100% to 90% takes longer than from 90% to 80% (they want give you the feeling that it last longer than it really does). At least that's the case with iphones. You may want to test this with macbooks
On iPhone yes on MacBooks no
I have used Macbooks for years and that is untrue. It is completely linear.
100% agreed.
Seen it on my iPhones and iPads
Can confirm they do it on MacBooks. coconut battery tracks real % and it's often 3-5% lower than the displayed percentage.
@@ASEM-1123 Apple generally underrates the capacity, which changes the algorithms. For example, iPhones usually have 3-5% larger batteries than stated, so it takes longer to get below 100%.
Awesome battery comparison man!
Change the channel name to PCBuff, all Phones, Laptops/Macbooks, Desktops/iMacs & Tablets/iPad are PCs (Personal Computers).
What about the vacuums? 🧐🤔
@@1JAM229 Those are once in a while episodes...
lmao
The first decent review about Snapdragon laptops 👍
Best tech comparison videos ever dude keep on that
54Wh VS 70WH and still someone died 💀
„Bigger resolution“ remember it?
@@12Nervu😂
Imagine if the surface had that big battery 😂
@@12Nervu yeah and a 30% bigger battery 🤦♂. Windows wins hands down
@@Prakyy Macbook pushed 3~4x more FPS in gaming with higher resolution than the dinky suface laptop, ofc it will use more power 🤦♂️
The higher the resolution the harder the laptop has to work. Imagine if the Surface pushed the same fps and resolution as the macbook, then thats a whole different story
Why not use edge for windows and safari for the Mac?
this isn't a battery test. Safari too optimized to preserve battery /s
But it is a battery test. Wouldn’t edge be just as optimized for the windows computer?
This guy is apple fan, he didn't mentioned that the Snapdragon X Elite won as when apple products last longer in other videos. I know he will say that surface laptop don't deserved because it suck in all categories but since it was about battery test he should be proud of it.
i think you need to reevaluate your mindset in life it’s not that deep bro
consider that this MacBook has gone through a lot of charging cycles where the surface is brand new with a fresh battery
Now this is what's new
Have you used edge or chrome for the first browsing test?
The copilot button on surface made my left eye twitch more than care to admit!
Why?
Great video bro, you should do more laptop comparisons.
The Surface kicked its ass, given the 30% difference in battery size.
Yeah, with a lower screen resolution, worse speakers and a less powerful processor giving you a much lower frame rate.
@@209kranthi54wh vs 70wh ...throw all that excuses out of the window
@@209kranthi That resolution/speaker difference is almost negligible compared to a drastic 30% battery size discrepancy lmao. What are you on about.
@@oxyg3n520the surface had 40% less resolution and 50% less speaker quality.
Soo just stop lying.
He said that if the Mac had performed as poorly as the Surface in gaming, it would have lasted 40 minutes longer. Looking at the far superior speakers, if you had used the inferior Surface speakers on the Mac, that would have been at least another 20 minutes extra for the Mac.
I conclude that the Mac has only 7 min less runtime, but the benefit of superior GPU, speakers, larger screen and display brightness gives the Mac a very easy win.
Vote for macbook drop test
Vote for windows laptop drop test
Vote for MacBook drown test..
@@u.a.nugroho vote for windows water test.
MIght be worth capping the framerate to something both devices can deliver for future tests.
Finally some real life battery test
Kind of interesting but what power management settings did you have each on & were they consistently applied through all tests? For this kind of test, I'd say that was pretty essential information.
This just shows how utterly stupid that notch is on the Macbook since it doesn't even offer a secure face unlock and the Windows machine does. Steve Jobs would be rolling in his grave if he saw this kind of design language infused into Apple products 🤮
Almost forgot this channel and then TH-cam recommended me this video.
The final test is actually so stupid.
You sound pissed that the mac lost lmao
Exactly, these fan boys of macbook always gets triggered by windows or android when they do things better
yeah lol. I can see him trying to be unbaised but he definitely didn't liked that the mac lost. Him trying to make excuse on why Mac was on disadvantage was cringe. Not only was it not in disadvantage, it was favoured. Had bigger battery, the game tested has Mac native arm port and was running via emulation on windows
yeah so many caveats and excuses for the Mac. His phone tests are usually more unbiased but this to me sounded very fanboyish. I had liked the video at first then I took my like back lol
Lol yeah lost with 3x more performance.
The Test was made very professional. Thanks.
The Video Call AI background on Surface is insane!
You are just trying to defend tha MacBook mr man
yeah that was pathetic 😂 mkbhd does that too when iphones loose every year in camera test
@@YasinHasan 25 fps vs 70 fps snapgay fanboy.
One thing: just because both laptops drop the same percentage points does not mean they performed identically. Quite the contrary actually.
You should've done the Samsung book 4 edge with the SDXE 84100 chip its the flagship version of the SDXE
Snapdragon x Elite does not have an efficiency course and is so efficient and yet it doesn't have an efficiency course compared to the M3.
Well that is something.
Good job phone buff
Course?
@@Labib-dw1lk think he meant core
He choose similar price wise, which is what matters here.
Well if u close the lid and leave it for 8-10hours it doesn't use a lot of battery, it only loses like 1-2% just like macbook.
So it's fine even with no efficiency cores. 2nd generation of x elite will definitely have efficiency cores i hope.
Note that in the first part when browsing the web, the MAC was probably primarily using E cores, and it was pulling way ahead
What was the difference with the fan? Did the MacBook stay fanless during the low energy tasks or they were similar?
At the default low power mode, the Snapdragon can last 2 times longer
Both have the ability to last way longer if the user is smart. Such as better browser choice, lowering to 1080p resolution, Bluetooth speakers, brightness etc.
In the goal to be exactly the same it becomes a less real world representation.
I have the Surface Pro X Elite, and its battery life is about half that of my MB Air 15 M2 when both are in power-saving mode. Still trying to figure out how you are getting these SOTs.
@@andyH_England My Omnibook X lasts for 30+ hours
i think it would be super interesting if you would do a comparison about music genres, like testing on the same phone genres with more bass/drums and testing one with more chill music for example to see if different sounds change on battery drainage
Snapdragon X Elite 🔋🔋💪🔥
@Masterchief84189 im pretty sure thats due to the new x64 emulation thats gonna get sorted out
It's trash ngl
@@dukerex1285I am not sure when it comes to gaming... Macbook has their own GPU cores integrated within the chip. Meanwhile the Qualcom does not as far as I know
@Masterchief84189 who knows, maybe now they have a good Arm chip for their surfaces they will invest a lot more into their translator
Very interesting test here. Thanks
Why not the m3
Or m3 max?
Equivalently priced at $2000.
Cool way you execute your tests. Did you emulate Chrome or get the ARM native version for the Surface Laptop 7?
The frame rate was because of non native games. So technically, it was still pushing the chipset to its max by emulating. You should have tried a native game
MS says that emulation is so good that there is barely any difference compared to native performance. Dave2D said 11% emulation cost. That would only make the Surface 33FPS compared to 90FPS on the Mac. Not sure you can make that excuse.
@andyH_England Dave said 11% emulation cost but he didn't say battery cost. Besides that, the 11% does not translate to FPS. The significantly higher FPS means that the grafic card was used mainly which means much less power drain.
Should this not have been against the MacBook air?
This is such an unfair test. 😂
Yup one car drives 200mph and other drives 20mph and 20mph car is given the award because it lasted longer. Like unreal levels of facepalm.
if on gaming maybe.. everything else the surface pro was way better... if the surface pro had the same amount on battery size as the macbook it would of won easily. the macbook ran higher FPS but every day working on it failed... even with bigger battery
3:13 Copyrighted Movie, no need to blur it because there is a Copyright Exception called Fair Use.
it has a larger battery and dies first and is WAY more expensive...
He used same price models
The Mac performs much better in speakers and FPS in gaming, which anyone with technical know-how understands will drain the battery faster. Having less battery but 3X FPS and 2X better speakers is an easy win for the Mac!
BIG deals on Amazon now mean the prices are the same with the same spec.
@@andyH_England gaming and mac huh 🤣🤣
@@leonardodavidariasruizto reach the same price he had to fully max out the surface while using the base model macbook. And the main things that actually get maxed out in that config are storage and ram, the soc isn't even the fastest X elite chip. The screen is also an oled
And it is way more useful
Nice comparison. Can u do a video on battery comparison between macbook pro M3 and macbook pro M3 pro as every youtuber is talking about the extra RAM but no one's talking about the battery timing in a daily work situation as this is more important for some as compared to the memory.
I don’t like these kind of battery tests because the chosen applications directly affects the result, making it possible to choose the winner before the test starts.
This is as fair as it can be. How would you do a fairar comparison?
Poeple don’t like it if their favourite don’t win.
TF is this comment??😂
@@lalhimpuiamahima7319 people suppose what do they want, my fav is xelite.
@@njsfer idk man, some machines are better at certain tasks others don't, maybe comparing the battery life idling could be fairer.
I'd love to see this same test done again in 6 months after the first few optimization updates drop. I'd expect a lot better battery and maybe some performance gains
I dont understand why people even think a windows laptop could even come close to a macbook. I switched to a mac and it is a totally different world. Putting aside the fact that any unix based os beats windows, the build quality of mac is totally amazing
Im a windows guy, but as long as your not gaming and just gone with some office stuff, the damn M1 MBA or even the M2, MBP was still compelling to be quite honest, I have bought a macbook air M1, way back 2021, and man I thought I'll just hold the value and resell it once the GPU prices back then normalized, hell I got really fond of it and still use it to this day sometimes on more hours than any windows machine Im using, just browsing, office works, man this thing can even sketchup and autocad pretty well, but again, dont expect gaming on this thang haha.. this little guy can last you a day with the use I mentioned.
"... why people even think a windows laptop could even come close to a macbook". Followed by the video showing us the windows laptop indeed beating macbook in a battery test. Keep in mind that this is still first gen, and it has smaller battery.
@@rayawira Take into consideration the resolution, speakers and performance, not even close to the macbook, you need to accept that "MICROSOFT" laptops (im not talking about other brands) are trash, and I have both and I regret buying de Microsoft one
@@leonardodavidariasruiz I saw a lot of excuses. Small nitpicks
@@rayawira also its not optimized yet and its using a translate layer, of course it will be some performance hits, and people say mac mac maac!!! Really stupid, yes the mac is good bcuz its own optimization only!! So if they can optimize the windows for arm yes it will have a big shot to win.
for the gaming loop, can you cap macbook at 30fps? it probably gets a lot more juice by doing so, probably last a significant longer
0:19 Does this mean you compared the 18gb/512gb macbook pro with the 32gb/1TB surface laptop? Because those are the only configurations that cost $2000.
Correct.
In that case it seems the surface offers quite a bit of value over the macbook. Double the storage, nearly double the ram and slightly better battery performance with a significantly smaller battery. Performance is definitely better on the macbook, but that might be down to optimizations needed for the X Elite chip. Plus it doesn't throttle at all which is a bonus!
What all of those compare Videos don’t take into account. If you are invested in a Eco System you are not jumping ship just because the other guy is a little faster. I for my part love the seamless integration of all my Apple devices, something Microsoft just does not have.
Choose what suits you best but don’t be a fanboy or girl, cause in the end those are multi billion companies that are interested in your money first and foremost.
This is a great comparison. Would love to see more videos of laptop testing.
This is amazing for a first gen chip.
I want to see this test again in 1 year when the Surface's battery becomes 200% sh*t
You the right amount of upset about this 😂
What is that secondary mini keyboard beside laptops, where can I get it?
This is what we needed!
Did you guys use the Arm or x86 version of Chrome in the browsing test?
What is the power profile set to on surface? That should make a considerable difference as well.
Both were set on default as he does on every battery test. My MB Pro gets a lot more battery on low-power mode so it is unfair to fiddle with settings especially as the 30FPS on the gaming test would be unplayable 20FPS on the Surface on low mode.
Awesome test!
The MacBook should use Safari for the browser test. Chrome seems to be unnecessary resource hungry.
Such a great experimental design!
The back handed compliments in these videos for anything other than Apple devices are just wild.
Good video. Question, what refresh rate and which performance setting was the Surface set to? Because that'll definitely effect battery performance a lot. Imagine if Microsoft use that same 70wh battery that Apple uses.
i like that. do more things with laptops. more speed tests and battery test
Now That Is A Real Tech Video.
Tired Of Unboxing Only Tech TH-camrs 😂
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between the two in productivity software like Lightroom, Photoshop, video editing...
Testing the speed and the battery.
About the GPU performance, how are we in terms of GPU drivers support for the Snapdragon? It should perform better that it did.
the webcam test was hilarious