There's a few issues that I have with this theory. I will go through it in sections, but the main one is Heejin being a powerful creator or a God. I apologize for this text wall, lol. 1) "Heejin was this all-powerful being that created the Universe"; "Putting her Godlyhood to the side." The reason this popular theory does not work is because YYXY's entire storyline is about defying God, being against Eden's God, and embracing sin (which is good in the loonaverse, a flipped version of the Bible). This idea not only goes directly against the YYXY story and turns Heejin into a villain (where Villains don't work as we see ot12 unite for the same goal from HH1 onwards), but it also raises questions about the ot12 events. If Heejin is all powerful, why does Loona have to work as a group to unite and inspire LATW, etc? Heejin could wave her hand and simply solve all of the ot12 issues. 2) Vivi android-human dynamic being seen as recreation/not the same person: This is another widespread idea, but it tends to ignore the importance of Vivi's story. I wonder sometimes why the community easily sees Gowon's hair change as a symbolic event of her being enlightened, but Vivi's android story is not a story of her feeling outcasted, and is instead taken entirely literally. It's certainly an event that happened, but its meaning should not be taken away. It is the story of Vivi's enlightenment, parallel to Olivia, the other outcast. 3) "Jinsoul transforms Vivi into an android" This theory severely lacks evidence and again disregards the idea that Vivi became an android because of her feeling different and outcasted. 4) Heejin being on a platform in an OEC member's MV somehow means that Heejin is in OEC, not that she in is a MV of Jinsoul's, who is an OEC member and bound to have OEC references? [Or should I call it SBC, sparkly boy circle, haha] 5) Eye motifs in Loona beings related ONLY to OEC and not a motif across the board. (Ex: Heejin PTT scar means an odd eye, but nearly every member has been associated with an eye motif before, and more than once. It even occurs in 12:00 teasers where each eye is shown.) 6) "Jinsoul can Fly" stated as she is floating in the water like her representative animal, not flying. 7) Flying being associated with Heejin and not to the idea of "flying higher" to reach the moon, the goal of ot12 to fly and reach upwards before reaching the moon and then the back of it, so on + so forth. (I want to note I am not trying to be rude in my comment, hope it doesn't come off badly! Just trying to state some of the plotholes/problems w the theory. Lmk if you have any explanations to debunk these!)
hii i agree with literally almost everything u mentioned. i do think personally that the idea of defying god and the idea of heejin being a god arent contradicting each other. it is a popular theory that heejin and yves are kinda against each other beacause of yves' wish to overpower heejin, so it would make sense that the god yves tried to defy is heejin. i also think that PTT represented that kind of war and clashing of two groups inside of LOONA (and idk if it counts as lore to you but the whole concept of "not friends" MV was a clash between four members). anyways the slightly terrifying yet fun thing about the LOONAverse is that almost nothing is confirmed so many theories can be brought up
I think actually that The universe existed before Heejin, after all her issue and power solution was to finally bring Color unto it... to unleash human (girl) potental. Whereas xxyx's story involves the false god of control that unfairly rules their lives. Loona wishes to separate from that oppression!
@@skylershis69 I think Not Friends was confirmed to be non-lore by Ryan Jhun. He said that he took a lot of inspiration from the Loonaverse. It wouldn't make sense to do this while making canon material, so I treat it as a side thing (like Cocomong and Ill Be Your Spring)
Something I noticed was the spider in ViVid (also in the thumbnail) is very similar to jinsoul’s eyepatch in SCL (also in the thumbnail). We also see vivid in black and white until heejin opens her eye. SCL is similarly in black and white until lippie opens her eye. The spider in the vivid thumbnail is red if we want to connect heejin and lip by color too. Parts of eclipse also go into black and white. However, I don’t think that unofficial content is lore, especially when it conflicts with a main music video. If they wanted heejin to be in SITR they would have put her in the main SITR mv imo
well in vivid she had a red spider covering her right eye and rainbow light on her left eye. it's not the first time her eyes have been hinted. and since she created everything, she might have created odd eyes too and have one herself
I was casually watching since I want to know more about the Loonaverse and then I laughed so hard at your #NotanAd and #NotSponsored lmao. Thank you for the vid! 🤗❤
i saw a comment here saying that heejin is part of oec and that made me think about something: the girls that were rapping in jinsoul's sitr alt version were: haseul, heejin and kim lip 2 of these girls were covering OEC in LOONAVERSE:FROM, the only one that wasn't rapping was yves (maybe because yves wasn't announced back then) in the OEC cover: Haseul was Choerry, Heejin was Jinsoul and Yves was Kim Lip this kind of impplies that Kim Lip was there BECAUSE Yves wasn't announced, and also, Heejin doing Jinsoul's part and being the only one that got released idk if i'm looking too deep into this, or if it makes any sense at all, but in my head it does!! or this is all a very strange coinciddence....
I think this would have made more sense if Jaden Jeong was still creative director, because he wanted to put hints everywhere. Everything was very deliberate with him. But, he’s gone. And we know BBC wanted less of the loonaverse involved in activities. I think the concert name was more of a branding thing and less of a lore thing. Especially because chuu was pulled out of the concert last minute, so she was supposed to be in that OEC cover and they said in one of the concert clips that they themselves got to pick who was in what cover and OEC spots were fought over. I was praying that the concert would hold more lore things when the name was announced but I don’t think it’s the case here.
This blew my mind and also made soooooo much sense!!! Cause I can totally see this concept of Heejin being the creator of the Loonaverse and having her powers split to create the other girls. Also In queendom I never noticed her scar and red eye could be a hint to her having a Sparkly boy lol
0:57 hmmmm…. ofc this is true as we only have mainly visual evidence, as well as some lyrical, is it a good idea to bend and stretch interpretations to fit this?
hmm... Heejin is the creator so it makes sense that she has a sparkly boy. wait.. now I gotta watch Choerry mv upside down, never done that before 😮 not the headbang 😂😂😂
My take Hyunjin transformed vivi to an android to help her find her creator Heejin that's how Hyunjin lost her odd eye and that's why she's the only primary color (yellow) that's not in the OEC and Choerry was created by Kim lip and Jinsoul in the image of Hyunjin this is the reason that we see Hyunjin and Choerry together looking like twins in so what mv and how Gowon meet her counter part in loona 1/3 thro choerry. Also in love and live mv Hyunjin is the one that plugged Vivi's charger in so that she can recharge. This is my i thing that Hyunjin is the original 3th odd eye girl. I can literally write a full 100 page assay on the loonaverse from my point view ahahahahahahaha
TH-cam 101: you should've explained exactly what is an odd eye at the start of your video so new viewers can know what even are you talking about without having to search for it and watch other videos. If you think that's gonna make people go into your channel to look for an explanation, you're mistaken
Here’s something that’s never made sense to me: clearly their representative colors are very important. So why is heejin the creator of the loonaverse? She’s hot pink. Why is it not the primary colors? Hyunjin, kimlip and Jinsoul? Or! Why is heejin’s color hot pink? Shouldn’t it be white or black?
This aged well.
HEEJIN IS AN ODD EYE, ITS OFFICIAL. IN ODD EYE CIRCLE NEWEST MUSIC VIDEO SHE HAS AN ODD EYE.
Vine por ese comentario I came because of that comment
HEEJIN HAS AN ODD EYE!!!
THIS AGED VERY WELL
There's a few issues that I have with this theory. I will go through it in sections, but the main one is Heejin being a powerful creator or a God. I apologize for this text wall, lol.
1) "Heejin was this all-powerful being that created the Universe"; "Putting her Godlyhood to the side." The reason this popular theory does not work is because YYXY's entire storyline is about defying God, being against Eden's God, and embracing sin (which is good in the loonaverse, a flipped version of the Bible). This idea not only goes directly against the YYXY story and turns Heejin into a villain (where Villains don't work as we see ot12 unite for the same goal from HH1 onwards), but it also raises questions about the ot12 events. If Heejin is all powerful, why does Loona have to work as a group to unite and inspire LATW, etc? Heejin could wave her hand and simply solve all of the ot12 issues.
2) Vivi android-human dynamic being seen as recreation/not the same person: This is another widespread idea, but it tends to ignore the importance of Vivi's story. I wonder sometimes why the community easily sees Gowon's hair change as a symbolic event of her being enlightened, but Vivi's android story is not a story of her feeling outcasted, and is instead taken entirely literally. It's certainly an event that happened, but its meaning should not be taken away. It is the story of Vivi's enlightenment, parallel to Olivia, the other outcast.
3) "Jinsoul transforms Vivi into an android" This theory severely lacks evidence and again disregards the idea that Vivi became an android because of her feeling different and outcasted.
4) Heejin being on a platform in an OEC member's MV somehow means that Heejin is in OEC, not that she in is a MV of Jinsoul's, who is an OEC member and bound to have OEC references? [Or should I call it SBC, sparkly boy circle, haha]
5) Eye motifs in Loona beings related ONLY to OEC and not a motif across the board. (Ex: Heejin PTT scar means an odd eye, but nearly every member has been associated with an eye motif before, and more than once. It even occurs in 12:00 teasers where each eye is shown.)
6) "Jinsoul can Fly" stated as she is floating in the water like her representative animal, not flying.
7) Flying being associated with Heejin and not to the idea of "flying higher" to reach the moon, the goal of ot12 to fly and reach upwards before reaching the moon and then the back of it, so on + so forth.
(I want to note I am not trying to be rude in my comment, hope it doesn't come off badly! Just trying to state some of the plotholes/problems w the theory. Lmk if you have any explanations to debunk these!)
You brought up a lot of issues I had with this theory! I think you made a lot of good points haha
hii i agree with literally almost everything u mentioned. i do think personally that the idea of defying god and the idea of heejin being a god arent contradicting each other. it is a popular theory that heejin and yves are kinda against each other beacause of yves' wish to overpower heejin, so it would make sense that the god yves tried to defy is heejin. i also think that PTT represented that kind of war and clashing of two groups inside of LOONA (and idk if it counts as lore to you but the whole concept of "not friends" MV was a clash between four members).
anyways the slightly terrifying yet fun thing about the LOONAverse is that almost nothing is confirmed so many theories can be brought up
I think actually that The universe existed before Heejin, after all her issue and power solution was to finally bring Color unto it... to unleash human (girl) potental.
Whereas xxyx's story involves the false god of control that unfairly rules their lives. Loona wishes to separate from that oppression!
@@skylershis69 I think Not Friends was confirmed to be non-lore by Ryan Jhun. He said that he took a lot of inspiration from the Loonaverse. It wouldn't make sense to do this while making canon material, so I treat it as a side thing (like Cocomong and Ill Be Your Spring)
@@okrammus COCOMONG HAS TO BE CANON/j
WELL SHE HAS ONE NOW
0:52 no. They’re Odd Eyes. Idgad what someone says. Dafuq….also, new sub. 🫡
Something I noticed was the spider in ViVid (also in the thumbnail) is very similar to jinsoul’s eyepatch in SCL (also in the thumbnail). We also see vivid in black and white until heejin opens her eye. SCL is similarly in black and white until lippie opens her eye.
The spider in the vivid thumbnail is red if we want to connect heejin and lip by color too. Parts of eclipse also go into black and white.
However, I don’t think that unofficial content is lore, especially when it conflicts with a main music video. If they wanted heejin to be in SITR they would have put her in the main SITR mv imo
yoo i didnt think about the spider thing thats so smart:0
YO I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THIS CHANNEL 😭 good to see you're uploading again!
I think they could all have odd eyes. Also ViVi doesn't seem to be an android in recent comebacks.
tbh vivi was really only a robot (in my opinion) in L&L
clair de loona I don’t even think it’s an opinion. Pretty sure she confirmed in an interview that she turns human at the end of L&L
@@yelv My point is you can place vivi appearances in the timeline before this.
this might be true now bc of air force one
I appreciate people who study the Loonaverse
well in vivid she had a red spider covering her right eye and rainbow light on her left eye. it's not the first time her eyes have been hinted. and since she created everything, she might have created odd eyes too and have one herself
This video's title can be sung to the melody of Odd Eye by Dreamcatcher
Not the sparkly boys 😭
But I've been missing your videos! Great content as usual, keep up the good work! :)
well… now she has
Heejin confirmed to be the (+) in OEC+
The song is "Sick Love"
I love this song!!!
hmm... well
I was casually watching since I want to know more about the Loonaverse and then I laughed so hard at your #NotanAd and #NotSponsored lmao. Thank you for the vid! 🤗❤
Thanks for reminding us of loonaverse amidst this Queendom 2. ㅠ∆ㅠ
Ohhh you predicted future
2:33 The Mass Effect music fits so well
geez, never noticed the circular platform in the love cherry motion mv. there's always something to cover in this rich universe.
i saw a comment here saying that heejin is part of oec and that made me think about something:
the girls that were rapping in jinsoul's sitr alt version were: haseul, heejin and kim lip
2 of these girls were covering OEC in LOONAVERSE:FROM, the only one that wasn't rapping was yves (maybe because yves wasn't announced back then)
in the OEC cover: Haseul was Choerry, Heejin was Jinsoul and Yves was Kim Lip
this kind of impplies that Kim Lip was there BECAUSE Yves wasn't announced, and also, Heejin doing Jinsoul's part and being the only one that got released
idk if i'm looking too deep into this, or if it makes any sense at all, but in my head it does!!
or this is all a very strange coinciddence....
I think this would have made more sense if Jaden Jeong was still creative director, because he wanted to put hints everywhere. Everything was very deliberate with him. But, he’s gone. And we know BBC wanted less of the loonaverse involved in activities. I think the concert name was more of a branding thing and less of a lore thing. Especially because chuu was pulled out of the concert last minute, so she was supposed to be in that OEC cover and they said in one of the concert clips that they themselves got to pick who was in what cover and OEC spots were fought over. I was praying that the concert would hold more lore things when the name was announced but I don’t think it’s the case here.
This blew my mind and also made soooooo much sense!!! Cause I can totally see this concept of Heejin being the creator of the Loonaverse and having her powers split to create the other girls. Also In queendom I never noticed her scar and red eye could be a hint to her having a Sparkly boy lol
not the ✨ sparkly boys ✨ 😩😩
0:57 hmmmm…. ofc this is true as we only have mainly visual evidence, as well as some lyrical, is it a good idea to bend and stretch interpretations to fit this?
Glad you're back. I was wondering where you were Hyde1ng this great content.
yo good to see u back!!
Mind. Blown💖
"Sparkly boys" automatically made me subscribe
hmm... Heejin is the creator so it makes sense that she has a sparkly boy.
wait.. now I gotta watch Choerry mv upside down, never done that before 😮
not the headbang 😂😂😂
Welcome back
YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!!!!!
_Ocular Crescent?_
The eyes should be called, "LOONYE's" or maybe "12 I" idk i will come back later with more creative ones.
My take Hyunjin transformed vivi to an android to help her find her creator Heejin that's how Hyunjin lost her odd eye and that's why she's the only primary color (yellow) that's not in the OEC and Choerry was created by Kim lip and Jinsoul in the image of Hyunjin this is the reason that we see Hyunjin and Choerry together looking like twins in so what mv and how Gowon meet her counter part in loona 1/3 thro choerry. Also in love and live mv Hyunjin is the one that plugged Vivi's charger in so that she can recharge. This is my i thing that Hyunjin is the original 3th odd eye girl.
I can literally write a full 100 page assay on the loonaverse from my point view ahahahahahahaha
Welcome back
Odd Eyes are Odd Eyes, why call it anything else?
yeah im really wondering what else people call it bc ive only ever heard it as odd eyes lol
🐔
Okay I am back, why dont we call the eyes, Starbits
omg
Finally
sorry but queendom 2 has nothing to do with the lore im sure, heejin just has a scar on her left eye cause she was imitating kakashi lmfao
TH-cam 101: you should've explained exactly what is an odd eye at the start of your video so new viewers can know what even are you talking about without having to search for it and watch other videos. If you think that's gonna make people go into your channel to look for an explanation, you're mistaken
Here’s something that’s never made sense to me: clearly their representative colors are very important. So why is heejin the creator of the loonaverse? She’s hot pink. Why is it not the primary colors? Hyunjin, kimlip and Jinsoul? Or! Why is heejin’s color hot pink? Shouldn’t it be white or black?
choerry does have a circle platform type thing in lcm! it’s in this photo: images.app.goo.gl/P7Kwvu8zqxv7fjSWA
Why do I keep forgetting that’s not my pfp anymore-
@@smookiezz it was mine at one point to lol