Hi, excuse me, how can i know which measure 7.8 or 8.3 millimeters are the correct size for my violin?? What exactly place of the planetary violin pegs has 7.8 millimeters, the threaded part? Thanks 🙌
To install these pegs, drill a perpendicular hole in the shaft at the end and put a long temporary pin to help rotate the peg in the hole. Once the peg has made the threads, remove the pin, and cut the peg to length.
I understand your idea but it doesn't work. The part that comes out of the pegbox turns together with the middle part and the butterfly of the peg but not the part that has to go into the threat.
Hasan Mohammed, Before I fitted my Knilling Perfections, I read every review I could find. The consensus was, while Wittners tended to "step", the Knillings were much smoother. After 4 years in my 60s 4/4 John Juzek, they make perfet tuning quite easy & are still as smooth as silk
The tool you are missing is readily available to you. Just take an ordinary rubber band and wind it around the shaft of the peg. Gripping this instead of the naked shaft gives you sufficient friction to allow you to wind the peg to the correct depth. The instructions advice you to use a drop of glue, but it is not really needed. So it is better to do it quite in the way you do.
@@androidkenobi If you read the instruction, it does not advice you to glue your hands, but to glue the peg to the pegbox. But even that is not needed.
I wish you would of showed more film footage of reaming the holes and the trouble you had getting it threaded, when you include that footage it helps others to understand how to do the job, the most important part to learning is watching the troubles other people have. Thanks for posting this video, I enjoy watching your Channel.
Thank you for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind for future videos. If you want to see more on how I make the pegs just have a look to this video: th-cam.com/video/QBRR4FcpTfk/w-d-xo.html
Just installed a set on my old Medio Fino. Before, sound was warm but quiet and a bit muffled. Getting rid of the four tail tuners it's now definitely louder and brighter.
I have watched your videos on both the Whitner Finetune pegs and this one on Knilling Perfection pegs adnd both are excellent. That said, if you had to choose between them, which would you prefer. Thank you.
@@maestrokimon I think every Violin, Viola, and Cello would benifit from Geared Tuners (like you see on a Guitar) due to their Versatility, more Ergonomic appearance, plus you no longer need fine tuners on that tailpiece.
Thank you for the video! I would like to ask, two months ago my violin maker installed me this kind of tunning pegs, and I have still a problem with it. When I tune my violin, after few second it's slightly out of tune. Just a little bit... but still...I have to push a lot (must sometimes use brute force).... It makes me nervous when I need to work fast, practice, record and so on... I showed it to the violin maker again who had checked it, and re-glued it, and everythkng.... and it didn't seem to him that the mistake was on his side (In any case, it is a novelty in our country). Please do you have any idea where is the problem? Thank you very much for your answer!!
Dear sir I like to ask if these pegs keys are suitable for Kanun instrument. It is instrument which contains about 75 to 80 pieces. Are these pegs are useful and placeable . This is Arabic musical instrument. I think you heard about it. Waiting for your answer. Thank you
I've been dithering between choosing Wittner or Perfection. I think after your video I'd be happier with the Wittners despite reports that the Wittners 'step'. However, I don't like the pushing in/out of the Perfection
You don't have to push and pull the pegs constantly. I just mounted the Perfection pegs on a 5-stringed cello with gut strings and they work very well, according to the cellist!
@@RockStarOscarStern634 These are more functional, you find them on double bases, but look completely different. Probably also heavier. Check the upcoming repair Series video, I'll be working on a cello that has theme.
@@maestrokimon Actually they're not alot heavier, they're only a bit heavier which enhances the tone. The Guitar/Upright Bass style machine heads for Violin, Viola, and Cello (and many other instruments that normally have friction pegs such as a lute) seem alot more functional cause you can use a string winder to crank them when you're re-stringing. Tommy Jerrell popularized using machine heads on a Violin, & the interest of using Machine Head tuners on the Violin, Viola, or Cello has gone back up.
@@maestrokimon They look exactally like Double Bass Machine Heads so they're pretty familiar. The Machine Heads Upright Basses have look very "Western-ey" and they're easy to turn. The Wood Violins Viper Violin & Cobra Cello always come with machine head tuners. I'm afraid they'll have to phase out (discontinue) all the friction pegs & fune tuners & just stick to using the brand new fresh out of the box Machine heads.
I wonder if you could find a metal-working tool in a machine shop, a tap, to cut the threads in the peg box. I have not seen these pegs in my hands, but I am imagining a threaded rod going into a tapered hole. The complication is that the hole is tapered. A metal worker would tap the threads into a straight hole. Is the threading on the pegs tapered or straight?You depend here on the wood's ability to compress and deform in order to get a tight fit. But too much deformation causes a crack. Too little, and there will not be a sold fit.
It would be possible to make a tool to thread the peg hole but it will have to be tappend as the pegs are (1:30 / 1:25). I have never seen these tools in stores but they could exist. Then you need six different ones for the different sizes of the pegs and violin/cello. I think that i could be possible to make on the lathe although it might be hard.
mark dearborn, I believe Knilling suggested glue, but as was suggested in another video, I moistened the thread holes with a distilled H2O-soaked Q-tip.
I spoke a man at the violin shop that sells these Knilling pegs, and from whom I purchased these. I asked him if the tuner can be pulled out just a little to tune. He said he spoke with the Knilling company and they told him to pull it out all the way when tuning so as not to damage the tuner. Maybe that rep for the company really doesn't know? But maybe he does? What do you think, maestro-Kimon? I don't want to damage my Knilling pegs.
Hi, excuse me, how can i know which measure 7.8 or 8.3 millimeters are the correct size for my violin??
What exactly place of the planetary violin pegs has 7.8 millimeters, the threaded part?
Thanks 🙌
To install these pegs, drill a perpendicular hole in the shaft at the end and put a long temporary pin to help rotate the peg in the hole. Once the peg has made the threads, remove the pin, and cut the peg to length.
I understand your idea but it doesn't work. The part that comes out of the pegbox turns together with the middle part and the butterfly of the peg but not the part that has to go into the threat.
Very infomative video as usual. But do you compare is with Wittner fine tuning pegs. Thanks
Thank you Hasan. Maybe a good video for the future a comparison between 3 types of pegs. Thank you for the suggestion.
Hasan Mohammed,
Before I fitted my Knilling Perfections, I read every review I could find. The consensus was, while Wittners tended to "step", the Knillings were much smoother. After 4 years in my 60s 4/4 John Juzek, they make perfet tuning quite easy & are still as smooth as silk
The tool you are missing is readily available to you. Just take an ordinary rubber band and wind it around the shaft of the peg. Gripping this instead of the naked shaft gives you sufficient friction to allow you to wind the peg to the correct depth. The instructions advice you to use a drop of glue, but it is not really needed. So it is better to do it quite in the way you do.
Good tip about the rubber band! I will definitely try it next time! Thank you!
instruction unclear. glued my hand to the pegbox. halp
@@androidkenobi If you read the instruction, it does not advice you to glue your hands, but to glue the peg to the pegbox. But even that is not needed.
I wish you would of showed more film footage of reaming the holes and the trouble you had getting it threaded, when you include that footage it helps others to understand how to do the job, the most important part to learning is watching the troubles other people have. Thanks for posting this video, I enjoy watching your Channel.
Thank you for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind for future videos. If you want to see more on how I make the pegs just have a look to this video: th-cam.com/video/QBRR4FcpTfk/w-d-xo.html
@@maestrokimon having a kind and courteous response has gained you a patreon member :)
Thank you so much for the support! Being kind is rule number one!!!!
Just installed a set on my old Medio Fino. Before, sound was warm but quiet and a bit muffled. Getting rid of the four tail tuners it's now definitely louder and brighter.
You see how much differences it makes removing all that weight from the tailpiece!
@@maestrokimon and now a direct link with strings to tailpiece.
Have you seen my video on the tailpiece?
@@maestrokimon The biggest advantage of having Geared tuners is that you no longer need fine tuners on that tailpiece.
I have watched your videos on both the Whitner Finetune pegs and this one on Knilling Perfection pegs adnd both are excellent. That said, if you had to choose between them, which would you prefer. Thank you.
These are even easier to install than traditional pegs because they screw into the peg box, kinda cool.
Thay work very well!
@@maestrokimon I think every Violin, Viola, and Cello would benifit from Geared Tuners (like you see on a Guitar) due to their Versatility, more Ergonomic appearance, plus you no longer need fine tuners on that tailpiece.
Thank you for the video! I would like to ask, two months ago my violin maker installed me this kind of tunning pegs, and I have still a problem with it. When I tune my violin, after few second it's slightly out of tune. Just a little bit... but still...I have to push a lot (must sometimes use brute force).... It makes me nervous when I need to work fast, practice, record and so on... I showed it to the violin maker again who had checked it, and re-glued it, and everythkng.... and it didn't seem to him that the mistake was on his side (In any case, it is a novelty in our country).
Please do you have any idea where is the problem?
Thank you very much for your answer!!
What brand?
you have to press in a little
Thanks for the explanation 👌👌👌
Do you prefer Knilling or the Wittner mechanical pegs?
Dear sir
I like to ask if these pegs keys are suitable for Kanun instrument. It is instrument which contains about 75 to 80 pieces. Are these pegs are useful and placeable . This is Arabic musical instrument. I think you heard about it. Waiting for your answer. Thank you
Hello. I'm not sure. You can send the producer an e-mail with some pictures and dimentions of the instrument and they will help you better than me.
which brand is better; Knilling or Wittner ? what is the expected lifespan?
thank you,
I've been dithering between choosing Wittner or Perfection. I think after your video I'd be happier with the Wittners despite reports that the Wittners 'step'. However, I don't like the pushing in/out of the Perfection
You don't have to push and pull the pegs constantly. I just mounted the Perfection pegs on a 5-stringed cello with gut strings and they work very well, according to the cellist!
@@maestrokimon How about the Guitar style machine head tuners for Violin, Viola, and Cello? They're held in by screws so they Stay put.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 These are more functional, you find them on double bases, but look completely different. Probably also heavier. Check the upcoming repair Series video, I'll be working on a cello that has theme.
@@maestrokimon Actually they're not alot heavier, they're only a bit heavier which enhances the tone. The Guitar/Upright Bass style machine heads for Violin, Viola, and Cello (and many other instruments that normally have friction pegs such as a lute) seem alot more functional cause you can use a string winder to crank them when you're re-stringing. Tommy Jerrell popularized using machine heads on a Violin, & the interest of using Machine Head tuners on the Violin, Viola, or Cello has gone back up.
@@maestrokimon They look exactally like Double Bass Machine Heads so they're pretty familiar. The Machine Heads Upright Basses have look very "Western-ey" and they're easy to turn. The Wood Violins Viper Violin & Cobra Cello always come with machine head tuners. I'm afraid they'll have to phase out (discontinue) all the friction pegs & fune tuners & just stick to using the brand new fresh out of the box Machine heads.
I wonder if you could find a metal-working tool in a machine shop, a tap, to cut the threads in the peg box. I have not seen these pegs in my hands, but I am imagining a threaded rod going into a tapered hole. The complication is that the hole is tapered. A metal worker would tap the threads into a straight hole. Is the threading on the pegs tapered or straight?You depend here on the wood's ability to compress and deform in order to get a tight fit. But too much deformation causes a crack. Too little, and there will not be a sold fit.
It would be possible to make a tool to thread the peg hole but it will have to be tappend as the pegs are (1:30 / 1:25). I have never seen these tools in stores but they could exist. Then you need six different ones for the different sizes of the pegs and violin/cello. I think that i could be possible to make on the lathe although it might be hard.
Looks like you install going counter-clockwise to tighten up correct?
The two pegs of the tremble side have to be counter-clockwise. You want the string to pull the peg into the hol screwing it even harder.
@@maestrokimon makes perfect sense, thank you!
Great video.....try a little bit of butchers wax on the treads before installing..
Thank you Mark. I used a bit of soap, that helped indeed!
mark dearborn,
I believe Knilling suggested glue, but as was suggested in another video, I moistened the thread holes with a distilled H2O-soaked Q-tip.
Thank you!
I spoke a man at the violin shop that sells these Knilling pegs,
and from whom I purchased these. I asked him if the tuner can be pulled out just a little to tune. He said he spoke with the Knilling company and they told him to pull it out all the way when tuning so as not to damage the tuner. Maybe that rep for the company really doesn't know? But maybe he does? What do you think, maestro-Kimon? I don't want to damage my Knilling pegs.
I really don't know why there is such a bias against geared pegs , best tho join the 21st century .