James Corden cancelled by BTS ARMY / Rapper caught drunk driving during probation [DK NEWS]
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- James Corden is cancelled by ARMY after his 'joke' about BTS visiting the UN and rapper NO:EL gets caught drunk driving while on probation...for drunk driving.
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He did!!! He should have not said those things....like.... seriously!!!
I watched Squid games, it was good but idk why the ending dissappointed me. Like meh, is this the end?
On the James Corden story - it's a real shame that he used those particular phrases and terms to describe BTS' UN appearance and speech. I could understand it being 'unusual' if this was the first time a celebrity had been asked to give a speech in front of politicians and UN diplomats, but only just a few years ago they spoke alongside Lilly Singh for the "Love yourself" campaign. Plus, there are so many celebrity ambassadors for different aspects of the UN that give speeches and advocate for the work they do, that it's on the other side of the spectrum really. He shouldn't have generalised the ARMY fanbase so much, and also belittle and devalue the possibility that a 15-year-old girl might have aspirations to work in the UN in a high-ranking office and not just because of the possibility of meeting BTS. I don't know if he should be 'cancelled' exactly, but hopefully, he understands and acknowledges that it wasn't in the best taste.
Suga said at yesterday's vlive :
"There were many saying 'Well well wHaT aRe yOu siNgeRs gOing tO do at the UN?'
but we already knew, and came here for that very purpose. We're here to encourage the SDG (sustainable development goals), and you don't have to look at us with tinted glasses/hold us against biases.
Like it was said in our interviews, there's always been some sort of limit/scope to what is observed and addressed at the UN, but we felt a sense of pride when they told us that we were able to bring in [a wider audience]."
(Joon: I think that's exactly our role.)
- translted by btstranslation7
Suga spittng facts as always
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
he spit nothing but faxx
I love u for giving the credit
I mean you can argue it's a publicity stunt, and you might even be right for saying that, but that doesn't change the fact that by simply being there they attract the eyes of millions of young BTS fans who would, otherwise, not care at all about this UN meeting or anything related to it and that alone is a pretty big achievement in my eyes. This is pretty obvious and everyone knows BTS is a gold mine now, and that's why they're so hot and everyone wants to collab and work with them in all these areas that aren't just music related, they will only bring in benefits as long as you don't step on the fans' toes by saying something you shouldn't like James Corden just did.
When you start getting bored of k-drama cliches with rich politicians having rebellious troubled kids but then it happens in real life .-.
Those cliches are based on real life, unfortunately
oops lol
What I think is-
1. when he said "unusual visitors" , he meant that it's rare and unusual to see a performance at the UN which BTS did.
2. When he said "15 yo fans" he actually meant that usually teenagers are not involved in UN and political stuff. But BTS' influence on all age groups made it possible to have teenagers get interested in these stuff.
It's ok to be protective. But don't drag a person who is innocent. Many ARMYs have misjudged him. Also he is NOT an idiot that he would talk that way , even if he wanted to
100% agree. Also it is so scary to me how someone who is so well known to be SUPPORTIVE is canceled over two JOKES who really were harmless. As you said, they are UNUSUAL visitors, if you really read something racist in that YOU may be the problem. ... Times like that make it very hard for me to take Army serious.
You can say it 100 times. People just want to be mad.
@@dianapopova3099 THANK YOU!!!!
@@dianapopova3099 Exactly that's my point. If people can't understand the correct meaning of someone's words because of their lack of knowledge , then it doesn't mean that whatever the person is saying is wrong.
And then there is Greta, but sure, teen girls don't care... If anything that's what annoyed me.
Making fun of girl's interests and their "vain stupidity" stopped being funny about 40 years ago if it ever was.
Also, I really don't see it a problem mostly on Twitter - it's all bullshit drama. give it a week - at worst another BTS visit to his show. He'll be fine. He is a grown-ass man, 15 year old brainless girls shouldn't be able to hurt him, right?
I think it could've been an honest "I'm a fan I can do this jokes" kinda mistake or maybe even wasn't written in by him personally. But in the end, he is still a grown man, making fun of teen girls and what they like - which is the reason for the overreaction on Twitter. You don't see these jokes with male teen soccer fans- If it was a sports player talking this kind of joke wouldn't cross anyone's mind. Even if the player was an attractive woman. Actually, in that case, she'd be the butt of the joke - Like Ema Watson was.
The worst part of it is that because of the "Cancel James Corden" thing, and the fact that he got viral for this is just reaffirming all this "crazy ARMY" agenda. If we continue to act like this whenever someone says anything slightly ironic or funny about them we are going to isolate them from the world and believe it o not they are professional musicians who need connections and friends in these industry. Believe it or not they are human, they need friends and we have witnessed the mutual love between them and James Corden, we have no rights to decide who they are friends with, we are fans.
I understand that the "15 girls" joke is getting old and exhausting at this point, I myself as a 29 year old Army just don't get how someone can still think like this anymore. But, instead of making such a fuss out of this unintended bad joke lets concentrate on more important things. We can't be that sensitive about everything, c'mon, we need to demonstrate that we are mature. If we don't like a tweet, comment or joke, and we know it is not a big deal or is unintended just pass by, don't interact with it, don't retweet, don't mention it anywhere. The boys are like that, when Billboard made that stupid article, they just stopped interacting with them, in silence and they won.
100% agree. I understand why ARMY is so protective, but it would be better for everyone including BTS if we were more chill.
I agree 💯%
That's why you see all this people talking shit about BTS, they get free clout from this cause they know how the fans are gonna react
It actually kinda sounds scary when u think abt how the huge fanbase that brought them up can also become their reason for downfall. ARMYs need to chill a bit.
@@et.0903 when you put it that way... wow that's scary. What ARMY think is helping BTS might be the thing tearing them down.
Bighit got enough budget that they built a mansion for bts in the soop just so they can chill and their location won't be traced or bothered so they don't need to appear on these cheap shows
I mean that i-land building that they built, just for a show, is literally just sitting there collecting dust. That's out in nature somewhere lol
@@justSunny7 honestly I start to think that tehy wasted monay-
@@am32074 I'm sure it may seem that way, but I'm pretty sure they're making their money back with Enhypen.
No, they're not cheap shows. These shows are what's needed to keep celebrities in the public eye, so you're wrong about that. Talk shows make money from advertisers, not for having guest, but the talk shows can help build the guest platform.
😒as long as they continue to produce music they still have to do shows for promotion.
Just releasing music videos only without Promotion do you think is enough?
The whole James Corden thing is ridiculous. It is a late night host’s job to do biting comedy. They roast politicians and celebrities, and nothing he said was “over the line”. I am a huge BTS fan, but they aren’t delicate glass figurines that need to be coddled, nor should they be. These crazy “fans” that wrote horrible things on Corden’s post about the death of his friend were tacky and inexcusable.
I agree with you for the most part but I do think that what he said was the sort of ignorant stuff expected from general media. I expected more from him and I get that it's often writers coming up with these jokes, he could also tell them to come up with something better. Not angry, just disappointed.
If anything he just insulted the fanbase with the label, he didn’t insult BTS
His joke wasn't any more offensive than other jokes. If anything, fans should have just rolled their eyes and made memes. Pewdiepie jokes about his teenage army all the time, even though most of his fans are not children.
Armies are toxic to the core .Anyone involve in the entertainment industry will not want to work with them James is an example and look what has happened to him
ARMY made such a fuss about this James Corden thing that it is overshadowing the amazing speech. It would be better to hype up the speech instead of spreading the hate. BTS isn't really about all the hate.
Yes thank you!!
Yes everyone busy spreading hates towards james rather than focus on bts speech. Just ignore him. That's the best way. Don't need to waste our time on him.
I've never liked James but ur right
Hate gets views.
James's jokes definitely not worthing a peal of laughter, but we shouldn't cancel him just because of this. Calling him out is right, as he should acknowledge what he did was wrong, but I don't think ARMYS should ignore how James treated BTS quite nice on his show before comparing it to the others. Maybe before he made this joke, he gave you a good impression, but now since you are disappointed by his words, you could just simply do not support him like you were anymore. No need to be so exaggerated and extreme, and it's impossible for the whole world to like BTS as ARMYs do. At least for me, I don't see his words as hatred towards ARMYs, but it's true that he has to have that sense of responsibility that he has a huge audience base, and this kind of joke will just adding the stereotypes the westerns have for Kpop bands because media does play a huge role in promoting it.
Luckily, judging by the comment section, seems like more mature ARMYs are expressing their opinions here because what I saw on Twitter was basically going way too far. This fandom is really diverse, and I would probably say it is the MOST DIVERSE fandom currently in this world, so people should not mock the whole fandom because of some ARMYs that are too sensitive over this. They do not represent the whole fandom.
Totally agree w you
It was cause of a joke ? Hmm I really doubt he writes his own jokes if that's the case maybe they should be canceling his writers lol.
I agree with you. This was just my own opinion and we all definitely have different views on things. As others have explained, saying "unusual" was basically because it is really unusual to have a boyband give their speech in such special occasion/event(tho it isnt actually BTS' first time so it's quite inappropriate to say unusual). Personally, I dont find it offending. I just see it as "you are friends with someone and think you are close enough to joke around or say such things not thinking they might get offended about it. Coz you were friends 🤷🏻♀️". Following what he said, it isnt hate towards BTS but praises if you think about it.
And as a 28yo ARMY being called 15yo girls, this is mainly the reason why everyone thinks we are bunch of kids. Because most of us always act careless and make sudden decisions and opinions. No hate. I was just expressing my thoughts about the issue. And I hope we also consider how BTS' might feel everytime we cancel someone close to them. We are being too judgmental. He made a mistake thats given. But its sad how we just decide over 1 error. Out of the hundred things you did good, you will be judged by a single mistake.
@@agustdems8523 👍
This is such a good way to put it, I agree with you all the way.
If u try to take on a positive view on James’s words.. The use of the term “unusual” doesn’t mean weird. I think he meant BTS being in the UN is a not an everyday occurence. The joke about Army being generalized as 15 year-old girls is a stereotyped joke that is nothing new to the fandom. However, I do understand Army’s hurt since they expected more from James since he is usually seen as Army’s ally. I do think, however, that his joke has indeed missed the mark and a stereotype that we should start moving away from. Typical American humour generally used stereotypes and satire. HOWEVER, I do agree that how he thinks and treats the boys is genuine and sincere but it’s just this joke landed really wrong and is more on a reflection of the public perception of BTS.
I do disagree with the blacklist thing going on. We can't control or dictate who the guys work with. What James has shown the boys through the years should still hold weight and not be invalidated by this one lazy overused joke.
What hurt is that even if you are 15yr old girl you can be ambitious. Nobody would say this about a 15yr old boy that he wants to be a singer because his crush is a singer. Invalidating is not right
@@moonie93 agreeed. It's 2021 and it's time we stop hating or cringing what 15-year old girls like.
I mean nobody says anything bad about the same 15-year old boys who are avid basketball fans. And yet teenage girls are constantly mocked for liking things that are typical of their age. 🤦♀️
He isn’t calling all army 15 yo girls. He’s just joking about the fanatics that storm events and cause commotion. That’s the joke here. And young girls do tend to be the ones causing this commotion for groups. From kpop to the beetles.
I wonder what will happen if Mr. Corden meets BTS in the future. Both will have his comment in their heads. Will they be close or just guests on his show. My guess…..wear a coat…it might be a bit chilly!!!!
@@moonie93 You really hurt? By such a small joke? I’m surprised. I couldn’t imagine being “hurt” by that. I suspect that there’s a strength that fandoms feel when they are in huge numbers. And they like to flex their strength to even the tiniest sleight. Army is warning tv hosts to not even say anything remotely close to being negative about BTS. Is army a Bully? Look how careful these two guys are to talk about this subject. They want army’s views but don’t want any backlash from them so they answer to carefully.
Now that I'm seeing the entire context, this is a clear example of mob mentality. Someone misunderstood, and then people were bullied into either speaking out or receiving hate. He didn't say anything against BTS or Army.
Yes! I have been saying ARMY’s got a major mob mentality problem. Case in point, the absolute hatred and threats to fellow ARMY who showed up at JFK airport to see BTS. Some of the people there were not sasaengs or fan sites, just regular fans who didn’t deserve the insults and threats of doxing. But the mob spoke, and anyone else was too afraid to counter it.
In this case of Corden, it’s the interpretation of the word “unusual”. I think ARMY that is upset think that he meant they didn’t deserve to be there but he simply meant it was a unique situation, and that it was. For the joke, as other posters have mentioned, a bad joke written by a show writer.
Isn’t the anger about him calling us 15 year old girls? I get the anger tho, it’s been established and he should know it himself that ARMYs is not just screaming teenage girls. It’s just disrespectful. Tho it doesn’t need to be treated like it’s the worst thing to ever happen. A bit overblown.
@@ZoinkXable what’s wrong with being a 15 year old girl though? Why is everyone so upset at being referred to as a 15 year old girl? Who cares if that’s not what you actually are. Acting like that is an insult in and of itself, is the actual problem here. You seem like you’re the ones hating on 15 yo girls.
@@ZoinkXable he never said we were all 15 yr olds. It's a joke about how much impact BTS has on their younger fans. Y'all are putting words in his mouth.
@@sleepyfriendstm Finally seeing a comment that’s using common sense and understands English and the context of what he said.
I was fine with the James Corden thing until the 15yo girl thing. Not only does it generalise and demean ARMYS but also sounds quite sexist; there are 15 yo girls that are into politics and/or dream of being the UN Secretary General. If the fanbase was stereotyped as being largely male, I doubt Corden/his writers would have made that joke
I really didn't like the 'The world leaders have no choice but to take them seriously' part, seeing that the UN actually *invited* BTS to attend, speak and perform. It was not a good setup for making a silly pun on 'army'. It's also rather sourly ironic, since he definitely wasn't taking the situation at all seriously himself. And while it is unusual for singers or artists to be invited to the UN, it can't be called unusual for BTS anymore, since it is their third time to attend.
But yes, the 15yo thing... that is what crossed the line for me. He tapped into the unfortunate stereotype of boy-band fans as young, foolish, immature, love-crazed, hysterical, etc. And while he didn't specifically say, 'All ARMYs are 15yo girls', saying 'Fifteen year old girls everywhere' implies it quite clearly. I'm not furious at him, but I am disappointed that he proved so willing to let his host persona override whatever personal respect or appreciation he may've had for the guys- and us.
@@ystrw i get that! And I agree :)
Yes I thought this too! I was mainly offended because why shouldn't a young woman aspire to be someone like a UN secretary general? Was he using Antonio's looks as the basis for a joke? Because indeed that is offensive towards the virtue of intelligence and generosity as well as sexist
James (or his writer) did not take the UN speech seriously tho.
It is really positive movement for UN to invite Bts so that A LOT MORE people will be aware of the Global Goals. But the show chose to make a joke about it.
Choose another time to insert a joke tho
@@moni_moa 100% !!!!!!
It's nice to see some armies trying to convey to the rest that they need to chill. Army is currently literally the most sensitive fandom. Many of them are always on the edge, super protective over their group and ready to pounce on anyone who says something that doesn't fit with them even if it's not really very serious. To cancel James after what a wonderful host he has always been to bts is just over the top. Like Dkdk said, unusual is a relevant word. What James said was also right. Currently bts are big on popularity bcuz of armies and if the UN wanted maximum audience they knew it could be done by getting bts on board. Bcuz many armies literally hype anything & everything that bts does even if it's something normal. Many ppl think armies are the greatest fandom or something but it's just bcuz currently they are the loudest & other fandoms are not hyping their own groups that much. I'm not saying it's wrong. Just stating facts. That's how it is right now and bts seem to know it as well.
Regarding the 15 yr old girls comment, it didn't seem to me like he was saying all armies were 15 yr old girls. It's like he was speaking only about those armies who are 15 yrs olds. It's true that if bts weren't on that UN video there would hardly be any 15 yr old watching it and that's fine. I'm not saying 15 yr olds should or should not take interest in UN stuff. It's totally upto them. But this one, yes many of them did watch for bts. And that's totally fine. That was the objective of the UN anyway. Looked to me like using bts for wider audience. They wouldn't be the first. Many try to involve bts in some way or other bcuz they know they'll get the attention of millions of armies and many armies are doing just that. But to be this sensitive can be damaging to bts. One Army in this comment section said correctly. The same fans who brought bts on top are also capable of bringing them down if they keep this up. I just feel bad for bts when such things happen.
100000000% agree 👍
Totaaally agree.
I'm also super happy to see a lot of ARMYs who care a shit about a joke. I rolled my eyes while Twitter made that topic trend, like -_- For the sake of God, I can't believe this fandom is THIS annoying. Idk, I feel people NEED to go out and touch some grass, like... see the world doesn't turn around them and their stupid sensitive minds. I really don't understand who people like that can interact with other humans if they feel offended over stupid things, I swear. It's ridiculous.
i agree with your points too. initially, the posts were just talking about disappointment but no one was canceling him. they just said it was a poor joke and left it at that. then the stupid ones started the trend and just ruined everything. many times, silence is the best response. i didn't like james' cheap joke about 15yo. if he said armys instead, i would have smiled maybe. i never actively followed him so i could care less.
Finally someone with common sense ! I absolutely agree with you , Army might be the downfall of BTS… I‘m just sorry for them , because the way these obsessed fans behave , it‘s more like an embarrassment for the boys.BTS members are grown men, not little kids anymore who needs to be protected by their fans. Also most of the fans here don’t even know what the UN stands for, yet making a fuss… James Corden actually complimented BTS , in a sarcastic way , but he acknowledged the power of their fans , that’s why the UN had a lot of views on their yt and in fact it is not common that artists perform at the UN and being representatives for their own country as a kpop band, hence the term „UN-Usual“ I even said that myself..
about the 15 year old thing… he said 15 years old, because most likely teenagers aren‘t interested in such political events , but because of BTS , they want to be in the position of the UN general secretary… he didn’t generalize the fandom , he just meant : girls , who are 15 … what‘s wrong about being 15!?!? At the end of the day James is a comedian, an entertainer, he doesn’t need to be friends with BTS , but just being friendly with them. And people who are saying James uses them for clout is also not right … In these shows : Isn’t it a two-way thing? That’s business … BTS attends these shows for sale boost and visibility as well …. The fans here need to calm down !
Agreed...things like this can ruin relationships and future opportunities. People will be afraid to work with them bc of army.
Danny and David dreams come true. BTS deliver their speech in Korean.Maybe RM watch your video👀
He worked hard on translating his speech back to Korean after watching last week's DK News
i am damn sure rm is a sub of this channel
I am 53, and I watched their speech. It was another level... I think James Corden misses Greta's speech... who knows.
😂😂😂😂😂
I'm 52. There are plenty of older Armys but, unfortunately, the one's the world sees are the ones that make the biggest fuss because that's how things work. The Armys who are more sensible and mature, regardless of age, aren't the ones being seen because that's not news/media worthy. That's how all stereotypes develop....the actions of a few end up being used to judge a group as a whole. I know when I say a few it sounds like I mean a very small amount and the number of Armys raising a ruckus are more than just a few, but in comparison to how huge the entire fan base is they are really just a few. And it's likely most of them are young and don't have enough life experience and/or maturity to understand that the James Cordon thing is not worth getting so worked up over and that their focus should instead be on what BTS represents and the message they are trying to spread. I really don't understand the whole "cancel" thing anyway. What's the point? It's not like they actually get them cancelled and taken off the air. There is really no big impact other than their Twitter feeds being bogged down with hate and if it's people who don't like BTS I'm sure they don't care if Armys hate them. It doesn't affect how an artist's or tv host's fans feel about them....they still just move on with their lives. Maybe there have been a few exceptions where lesser known people were affected....like the poor girl who Armys thought JK was dating...the one who is a tattoo artist. And she did nothing wrong, I'm just using her as the example of people who can be affected by Armys actions. But someone like James Cordon....he's not going to lose his job and be taken off the air for a joke that ticked off Armys. And their reactions on Twitter only make his and everyone else's comments about crazy Armys look spot on. I wish they understood that they are bringing those comments and opinions on us as a whole by acting the way they do. Am I disappointed in James? Yes. But it's a stupid joke and not worth drawing more negative attention to our fandom and not worth receiving more attention than their speech at the UN. Too many Armys are acting like spoiled brats who can get their way by bullying people into doing what they want...demanding apologies, etc. A lot of people have said and done things to BTS that they should be ashamed of and apologize for, but being forced into an apology doesn't mean they are actually sorry....it just means they were harassed so much they said what Armys wanted to hear just to get them off of their backs. And when you start acting this way about every little thing your actions start to hold less weight and are seen as just over-reactions and no one takes it seriously any more. That's just my own opinion, for all it's worth, lol.
@@monicabohn2476 oh jeez, get back to a RL
@@coraline1503 If you disagree with me you can state what you disagree with and I'd be happy to discuss it with you. Your comment is pointless and holds no weight as you don't know anything about my life.
@@monicabohn2476 Exactly!
As an ARMY I think we should choose the battles we have and I personally feel this is not one worth having. Moreover, this will just be unconfortable for BTS if they ever come back on the show, having all this canceling being done on their behalf...
Its not really like hes cacelled tho? Bunch of armys called him out and unfollowed him, otherwise he will be fine 😅 we wont just hold back from calling out someone for shitty behaviour & shitty remarks just so "bts doesnt get uncomfortable" because bts calls out the same shit regularly (they just dont mention names).
I agree.
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
@@hmv5166 They are to the point where they are thinking that they can dictate who are BTS’s friends. This is ridiculous to the extreme.
I think they should change their name from army to raging mob! Death threats……ridiculous, in some countries this is a punishable offence!
@@anninaninana1070 I really hope James doesn’t have BTS back. That will solve any future misunderstandings with Army. Hopefully James won’t speak about BTS and the States will not have to hear about BTS. There problem solved.
What made Corden's boo-boo glaring was that on his late night show, Trevor Noah did a joke with a similar vein (how the UN needed to get BTS just so people would pay attention to them) but it was actually funny, not cringey. If only James was a better comedian who knew when the punchline had already been delivered and when to pull back, I think his monologue wouldn't have been a mess. For example, he could have stopped after the trade tariffs part and still get his point across. There was no need to harp on ARMY.
(I don't know about you, but it I do see the humor in the UN having to get BTS just so people would pay attention to the SDGs. Even Suga & RM acknowledged that that was their role during the group's Vlive.)
I think most people would find it a little funny, that is except for the very sensitive fans and we all know there are some of those out there, the thing about this situation is that american/english comedians love these "risky" jokes and they usually land but when you have some rabid and immature fans it can cause this kind of situation, i bet the more mature fans just laughed at it and that was the end of it.
Trevor Noah's joke landing better probably has something to do with who's the butt of the joke and why. Structurally they're the same joke: BTS has a large fanbase who's so obsessed and loyal to them that they watched the unpopular and boring UNGA to see them. Corden's joke focuses on ARMY itself, drawing upon outdated and problematic characterizations of boyband fans and teenage girls in general as frivolous, thirsty, brain-dead fanatics (there's also some undertones in this stereotype that speak to a broader tendency to treat feminine sexuality and sexual agency as something to be mocked, but that's a different discussion).
Noah's joke is about the UN, and how they're so disliked that they had to get the biggest band with the biggest fanbase to save their viewership. Teenage girls and boyband fans have been mocked and hated for decades for basically no reason, and ignoring the problematic implications of it all, it's just such an old and tired joke to make. But the UN is considered by many to be controversial and problematic, so the latter joke probably feels more like punching up. At least that's how I read it.
@@kioraslate9273 i have to see Trevor's joke but i agree with what you said and i also thought the same as Danny like it's low hanging fruit, can you be original? It's an outdated joke and it's not funny.
Also i think maybe (bc i haven't seen Trevor's comment), but maybe they're different because Trevor is a comedian and Corden isn't so he went for something cheap and not clever.
@@Daniel-wz3yv I just wish men would stop using teenage girls as the butt of the joke constantly as it has been done for decades. Growing up always being made fun of or feeling less because you're a girl and like certain stuff. Teenage girls have been made fun of for being interested in boy bands since the Beatles, as it wasn't until men liked them they were seen as cool. Ironic as well with men acting like savages in football stadiums but that's seen as normal.
It was a unnecessary comment and I didn't find it funny because it's tiring hearing that "joke" all your life. It's misogynistic and condescending. And no I'm not a teenager, I'm a 23 year old woman.
@@Daniel-wz3yv I am a 47 year old fan. I don't find it funny. If you find funny misogyny comedy and disrespect for young people either you are a fossile from stone age or another misogynist that thinks that youth is equal to brainless.
Hilarious how ARMY'S retaliation towards James joke about them being teenagers, is to act like teenagers. Angry, bratty and trying to cancel him over a joke. Ironic. Feel bad for BTS having to deal with these types of fans.
It’s not a joke tho. It’s underveiled racism and sexism because by calling them unusual visitors is rather ignorant in light of their immense campaigns which have done a lot of good. And also teen girls have been put down for liking certain music and their tastes considered lesser
It’s just them standing up for themselves and the artists.
@@otaku_ugh2134 @otaku_ugh it's not unusual because of their race it's unusual because they're a boy band, he would've said the same thing if it was one direction or justin bieber at the un considering they're singers not politicians, i agree with your point on sexist connotations but then young women are usually the target audience for boy groups anyway just like young men are the target audience of girl groups. obviously there are people who don't fit into that typical audience but to say that you can't refer to them as such is odd. bts don't need fans to cancel people in defense of them, i doubt they even care. they have teams of people working to protect their careers from malicious rumours and such literally every day. i think the reaction armys had was somewhat over the top to be honest, though i do agree with some of the points made about james' comment on teenage girls supposedly only being interested in politics because of bts.
Exactly. If the joke isn't true, why react? Better to make some memes and laugh about it.
Sorry but NOEL radiates spoilt brat energy. Just cause his dad is a politician he most probably thought he could get away with it, especially with how corrupt the judicial system can be when involving powerful people🙄
Literally lol. Although, if the dad got him that car after he DUId the first time then he is also an idiot. Like, along with likely interfering with the legal process he also makes sure his son still has a luxury car. What. A. Fool.
This is some real life kdrama. I'm actually fascinated when I shouldn't be
Honestly though, this isn't any different from any other country in how they handle things for the privileged and wealthy. That includes politicians, celebrities, etc. Anyone with clout.
wasnt he also emotionally abusive
Eh the joke wasn’t too bad, but what I found disrespectful is that James cordon tried so hard to be liked by armies, changed his Twitter handle, did the most out of all talk show hosts to be an “army”, and having said a stupid joke like he did was just very distasteful and fake? But to no surprise, he has a reputation of being like this, distrustful and clout-chasing tbh 🤷🏻♀️ but his joke isn’t blacklist worthy, he’s just not worth the attention. Lol
It surprise me that he has a wife
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What does that have to do with him telling a bad joke? Your comment was in poor taste like his joke. Wow...!
@@Josieb4008 I'm pansexual I was just suprise it wasn't a joke it was a statement
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Okay. I am surprised you are pansexual; no shade...just making a statement.
@@Josieb4008 that's fine,
Some army need to realize that when you are called something that offends you, you shouldn't then act like the thing you were called. Those comments sound like they were from 15 year olds. These situations are always embarrassing for the rest of us army who don't act this way or get offended by everything.
Well said
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
@@hmv5166 they aren't any less popular than before but whatever works for u to satisfy yourself
I don't have an issue with that he said. I think sometimes we need to step back. Comedians make faux pas jokes all the time. I thought this was a racist thing. The 15 year old statement was bad form. I'm an Army that is older, much older than 15 yr old. Sooo that was just lame.
@@hmv5166 are you James Cordon shooter??? Why tf you spamming the same comment everywhere?? Do you get paid it for it monthly weekly or daily?
And ya BTS is less popular and they were at the UN right... Just say you hate them and go.. 🤣lmao
Not all A.R.M.Y black listed James Corden. However Corden and his writers did mess up there. Noel's story is like a K-drama.
All armys blacklisted him as they should all these American show hosts...noone gaf about the boys. And those who didn't must be basically either jm solos or the company stans. Simple.
@@streammyuniverse322 dude calm down not all ARMYS black listed him cuz some are actually mature and knows the negative side effects that it can have on a person. I don’t wish that on anyone even my worst enemy.
Yes chill! Before ALL western talkshows figure it's too much of a risk to even SAY BTS's name. Canceling everyone limits BTS so much. It's very isolating. Any female friend around them, her life is ruined. Any friend makes a bad decision, immediately associated with BTS because they are friends and that person is ruined. Says a bad joke, cancelled and never invites BTS back again or even talks about them despite being a big exposure and friend for years. Chill out. I feel so bad for BTS.
@@HadassaMoon144 dude I feel like Army could be BTS downfall if this keeps up. I know anger is necessary at times specially for those racist people who has said some nasty things about BTS but this time it’s taken too far. Army actually needs to listen to Ugh to understand some things of what I’m trying to get across. I feel like maybe Jimmy Fallon won’t even want to invite BTS on his show cuz of what happened with James Corden.
@@lalapozada7834 Oh for sure, I'm pretty sure even BTS goes "smh.." over armies agressiveness, extraness with the cringy over the top hype posts. They all are 24+ now and they don't need teens defending them to that extent. But these "armies" be also chasing some clout with their level of spice. They need to calm down, like a lot.
Lmao at this point I just roll my eyes whenever the topic of "age" comes up in the fandom. Technically we never grow up. Our age is always gonna be from 11-15.
Thats sum peter pan shit
🤣🤣
Young Forever!
Everytime I hear or read Peter Pan I remember "I parachute on my Neverland, I'm a Peter Pan so this is never end" 😂😂😂 I watched Peter Pan with kid I'm babysitting and I couldn't stop laughing for like 20 minutes 🤦♀️
Wow, we've found the Fountain of Youth! People should be coming after us for discovering something people have been searching for centuries. 😂
been 15yrs since 2013, never forget our 15 yr old John Cena. lol. Also i swear 15 yr old boys are so much more hysterical in their area of interest than any 15 yr old girls fangirling over a band.
I think people need to chill and they took what cordon said the wrong way, he took it down as soon as he noticed that the armys did not like the comment so plz guys let’s not be to mad at papa mochi
It's a bad joke.we as a fandom have been made fun of like this multiple times .Yes,stop giving attention to this matter and let's not hype "papa Mochi " unnecessarily now . I dont vibe with him now.
Yh lol teens are so damn sensitive they r just proving all those people right.. i mean I was one too so I know how it feels... but only cuz u can't tell ur parents off doesn't mean shit when u do it to random ppl on the interned
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
@@hmv5166 I’m not resenting army but I think they are going to far and I honestly and genuinely believe that he did not mean it in a bad way, I have seen how he is with the boys and I am still a fan of cordon the army just needs to chill
@@khushipandit2719 no some people are taking it to far and I will not throw hate on cordon for something I genuinely feel like he did not mean, the joke was taken the wrong way and when he saw that he immediately took it down, I have seen how he has been with the boys and I don’t think he meant anything in a bad way
Whoa no, Jimmy Fallon is the better host (imo) and seems like he genuinely likes BTS. He gave them a week on his show and an entire special where he asked good questions and took them to Katz Deli to eat lol They always have a good time with him. James was another fave but not thee fave lol
I like Jimmy, always have since I watched him. He just gave me good vibes, he seems pretty genuine to me
LOL
I am actually ok with him saying "unusual" as it is indeed unusual to see Kpop-Stars at the UN.
The only thing is *bruh* is the 15-years-old-girls-comment. That was honestly not it.
Still there was no reason for some to behave like their show size.
Its their 3rd time at the UN and 4 yrs of their partnernship with UNICEF. SO, not unusual
Had he mentioned their previous visits to & partnerships with the UN and their status as diplomatic envoys he wouldnt have been able to pull of the "unusual" part of his statement. But bc he didnt it seems like it is, when it actually isnt
I agree. It's unusual to see popular musicians from any country at the UN. In this case, it's unusual in a good way.
I'm pretty sure James wasn't the one who wrote the 15-year-old joke, but he still ultimately has veto power over what he says in his monologue. So, yeah, "bruh..."
i also saw some complaints about the "world leaders taking BTS seriously bc of ARMY" but that was obviously a joke about BTS fans being called ARMY vs other countries having actual military armies. i was just salty about the 15yo girl comment because it's just sooooo cliche and not even true.
The way army is reacting to everything.. I mean cancelling artists etc are just crazy. I mean it's too toxic
Another stereotype lol While I believe that cancelling artists is toxic but your comment on 'army is reacting to everything' doesn't sit right with me. You have to note that majority of army ONLY reacts when PROVOKED
Yet again people not getting British humour. Those jokes were praising BTS. The UN doesn’t get singers giving speeches to the world’s politicians every day, so it’s unusual. This points out that BTS are amazing ambassadors. What is nearly the polar opposite of the old male politician … a 15 year old girl. He never said all ARMY are 15yo girls. Jokes explained.
no he did not but generalized army as 15 years old teen, that was not cool
Corden's joke definitely wasn't funny. Seems like something they threw together in the writers room but I don't think it was that offensive. The word unusual I think is ok because it's not everyday you see a music act at that event. And it was kind of ignorant to mention the 15 year old army thing but what do you expect when there's a bunch of older white guys writing jokes. Doesn't seem like it was intentionally hateful to me. Definitely he can be called out for that but doesn't need to be canceled. It wasn't that serious.
As a 55 year old I agree with this comment.
The funniest and also the saddest part is that most people dont even understand what he said... He never said that bts fans are 15 years old girls, he (basicly) said that 15 years old girls everywhere are BTS fans... And that makes a huge difference but nobody seem to care about it... In moments like this im really ashemed to be a member of an Army... BTS fandom is sometimes so overprotective that im sure even BTS members themselfs are feeling stupid about it...
@@sheriffackerman9520 You're right. There are a lot of people who didn't understand. It is not about ARMY being 15 year old girls - it is about wishing you were a boring old man so that you could be at the UN to see BTS.
I get this, but what is heard and what is said isnt inharently the same thing, or taken the same and it doesnt help the narrative that we are trying to break by bringing up 15 year olds lol
Also, this isnt the first time that BTS has spoken at the UN so him saying it is unusual makes it SEEM like he doesnt actually pay attention to them outside of their visits..... I truthfully believe it was an oopsie and i feel like if you cant laugh at youself then thats a you problem lol
Maybe he should have made it sound like he's mocking, calling fans 15 yr olds, seeing the childish response this issue is getting. I mean people taking THIS offensive are proving his point actually.
Y’all really but hurt by that James corden bit 🤨 talk about sensitive. Unusual and 15 years old girls really caused y’all to cancel him 🤨
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
@@hmv5166 are you an agent of Corden? I see you everywhere defending him!!
I agree that calling out 15 girls is a bad 90s joke that leaves a sour taste.
It goes back further than that; the 1950's, but definitely the '60s with the Beatles.
Seems like nobody can make jokes anymore. What a sad world we live in today.
Ikr
But that joke wasn't even funny.u know even after what he said . I don't hate him
You can definitely joke with your mom. Stop being overdramatic
@@atiqahhh9800 ??
@@hutao.h1258 U think it isnt funny but other do!
Some toxic ARMYs went so far as to made threats and made vile comments on James Cordon's deceased friend's page. I don't consider them ARMYs but toxic people who are Emotionaly immature.
They are most definitely immature and acting out of line. It’s an embarrassment.
The problems are: 1) they are acting as ARMY (thereby tarnishing the fandom); and 2) no one is holding them accountable for their actions. They’re getting away with horrible behavior, hiding behind their keyboards/phones and the protective cloak of ARMY.
I agree and it's really messed up.
If we take it positively, it's feels good to be called this young again.🥲 😂
BTS ARMY be like Forever We are Young .
BAHAHAH me
15 was a good time ngl
lmao good one! you write better jokes than corden's staff, that's for sure 😂
I like that lol
I was okay with the "unusual" part, but, yeah, the "15-year-old" bit wasn't really funny. I don't think it's right to cancel him though. I just don't know why they decided to make that joke knowing that ARMYs are extremely protective of BTS.
P.S. The next time this happens, I hope we choose to educate first, not cancel. :>
I was slightly disappointed with James but like Danny said comedians have been making this joke for decades, on top of it I look naturally young so I’m use to being called a teen. I don’t think there was any malice behind it. I think ARMY are being slightly too sensitive with cancelling him for it. If you don’t support him anymore just call out what he did wrong respectfully and just leave him alone is what I say. I’ve been an ARMY for 4 years but yet people took it as me being a Cordon Stan when I apologised to him for the unnecessary hate. Like ARMY are taking this way to far. ARMY wonder why people don’t like us, it’s because all this fandom ever does is cancel whether it’s justified or not. I was told I’m no longer an ARMY, and that I should take the 7 out of my name because of not wanting him cancelled. Also was told because I like other groups I can’t talk about BTS because I’m a miltistan, even tho BTS is what got me into KPOP and when voting I choose them without hesitation. This is why I thought of becoming a solo ARMY just by myself and the ARMY I’ve met over the years. This fandom has become too toxic lately.
I feel the same way. It wasn't the best joke to make, just because it has been proven to get backlash. I think Danny summed it up very well. That one tweet they showed where that person was saying that they shouldn't be mocked for thier interest was really grasping at straws, for me. He never said anything to belittle teenage girls. He just said that they wished they could be the person that BTS met. Are we really gonna act like ARMY doesn't have a history of doing shit like Googling "how to be yeontan" or "how to be Jungkook's shirt"?
@@rockinpinkcadillac True. I feel like rather than "cancelling" him, armys should've just respectfully called him out and told them that the joke wasn't funny. I don't really engage with some armys on twitter because some of them are too protective and I know that I'll get hated on if I go against the majority (which wanted to cancel James). The fact that the late late show team posted that clip on twitter clearly showed that they didn't think it would cause a huge backlash (they only post selected clips on twitter). This cancel culture is really so toxic. We should educate, not cancel. But we also have to accept that there are A LOT of armys out there and we all have different personalities, temperaments, and maturity, etc. We just have to deal with it, I guess. I bet there are other armys who also didn't want the "cancel" thing but are just too afraid to speak out.
Like Halsey said before, there's a reason why armys are so overprotective. There are a lot of people who are racist against BTS and would make fun of them and they'd be the butt of a lot of jokes. But in this situation, James Corden definitely wasn't making fun of them.
I'm not active on social media but I do support BTS and their music and their shows and albums etc so, I just lurk on twitter and like wholesome, happy, and supportive tweets :D There are a lot of really wholesome and positive armys out there! :))
@@justSunny7 Yeah, exactly. Hahaha. I still can't figure out why that joke made it on air though. I immediately knew the second I heard it that they'll get a lot of hate. I feel really bad for them though. The backlash they got, especially James, was so bad :( I wish armys were more lenient and forgiving towards him considering that he's been so good to BTS ever since they first came to promote America. Anyway, cancel culture sucks.
@@calicocat7054 yeah I have met some and I hold them dear to me!! I’ve loved this fandom forever and it’s just getting to be too much. They are soiling BTS’s name at this point. James shouldn’t have been cancelled over just a petty comment. I get being protective over racism or harassment but this was neither. I don’t even think Halsey would approve of this tbh. ARMy have taken it to far in my books.
Im 22 years old but somehow we always end up being younger for the media 🧍
Forever young😊
It was a joke and his comments were fine. I’m a big BTS fan as well and I can see Corden’s comments for what they are - a harmless joke. It wasn’t insulting at all. Come on lighten up. There are much bigger issues that should take our attention than this non-incident.
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
It’s the context. The implication is that BTS music is not serious cuz their fans are 15-year-old girls. It just strengthens the biases against BTS. I still like him overall but I can see where others are coming from.
The thing with people is, we can do both. We can call out James if we don't agree with it and also give attention the SDG's that BTS were there to promote. We can do both .if you don't see anything wrong, that's also okay.
I just feel like he shouldn't have made that joke because it does apply that BTS's music is not influential which is not true. He made a mistake. But at the same time, I also think that this is not something he should get this much hate. He could just make a simple apology and ARMYs should move on and not give him hate.
Yes!
I think it’s 50/50 in the James Corden joke.
Half of it is Army being overly sensitive and reading into intention that wasn’t there.
Half of it being a legit ageist and sexist joke that punches down on the stereotype that young girls wouldn’t be interested in politics. Specially given the message of the speech BTS gave, it was in extremely poor taste.
Aaaand that’s it. lol I dunno why my fellow Army can’t chill and express what they don’t like without going to extremes. Down voting his show, freaking out, putting messages on random posts.
Ah the internet. Gotta love it. 🙄
Honestly, this is really well put, probably one of the best in this idiotic comment section
Blame the cancel culture sadly our fandom is not immune
Twitter Army is just something else
I hate that we all stop to think how James' feelings might be hurt by this, or how his reputation might get tarred, but we don't ever consider how this percerption of young girls is actually very damaging to their self esteem, and therefore their life quality. And we're talking about a damage that then goes on into adulthood, so it's damage done to the self worth of every woman out there.
(I don't agree with cancelling James tho, he should just work on being a better ally)
boo hoo
I couldn’t agree with you more, say it LOUDER for the people in the back!
I really think canceling James wasn’t necessary
This bad joke will not negatively affect the overzealous teen girls in the ARMY fandom...15 years old or otherwise. Give me a break! Did it damage the 15 year olds when they said it during the Beatle's era?!....NO!!!
For me, Its the 15 yo remarks that is very off putting.
"teenage fangirl" narrative is SO condescending, we shouldve change it long time ago. While example predomenantly male adult obsession like sports and comic books seen okay. Whats so different? This should change asap.
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How are you expecting youth (current generations, i dont mean limited by age) to fix and solve world problems, while mocking us trying to do so? Bunch of hypocrites.
Im 24 yo woman, and i put my voice alongside BTS in that platform because i trust them to voice what i believe.
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These media highlighting ageism and stereotypes. And im so tired of it.
It not the act of the commentary itself, its the MINDSET behind it. Especially from someone who we hoped understand better.
An army made a thread in Twitter with a lot of influential 15 yo girls who did amazing things for humanity. Chef kiss
shouldve changed that when its stiil exist? if your not a brianless teenage fangirl, why would you be triggered? thats even weirder
@@rainbows5232 Teen girls are mocked for liking anything and it's annoying, people just love to sh*t all over their hobbies and interests.
Plus BTS has such a diverse group of fans from male to female, old to young so it's honestly just a lazy outdated joke.
@@rainbows5232 im triggered because its mocking in a literal context of serious speech and platform.
Why is it when ppl criticize a mindset rightfully, got called "trigered", my voice is one of many criticizm which are valid to be represented.
it is YOU who are brainless if you are not triggered by these misstreatments on media.
While often accepting that media is "wrong", you are parts that wont do anything about it.
Is it so scary to change?
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All we asked was respect why is it so hard to get? 15 years olds done amazing things and should not be a mocking line.
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Its a freaking UN speech is going on and they highlighted about how "fangirls blah blah blah".
Corden might go ignore the topic on late night in the future. Ironic that Corden was in a boy band himself. Boy band fans have nobody rooting for them, they have expectations. No matter what happens, due to gender and demographic shifts, people won't forget that ARMY started this. ARMY will be seen as sensitive dictators until BTS hits 40, I don't know... shit's rough when you're in any cancelled list by anyone.
Do you think what he did was wrong?
Corden even joined a climate awareness event. He looks like such a clown now
@@estebanrosales3856 three guesses
James Corden wasn’t in a boy band, he did a song with Dizzee Rascal 12 years ago for the World Cup😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@georgia9260 he was in a boy band in school. One fake and one called insatiable. Maybe read his book or use Google before telling some bs
I agree with Danny. I don't believe that an apology is necessary. It think that this was a gross overreaction. This is what late night talk show hosts do, especially in the US. No harm intended. The members of BTS know that too. If James or any other host had to apologize every time they made a joke, they would never get to their first guest of the night. President Obama was incredible when the subject of such humor. It's almost a sign of being famous and appreciated. Everyone knows that James has a very positive and respectful relationship with BTS.
I think " unusual" refered to the fact that The General Assembly meeting had so many viewers. He stepped in it by referring to Army as screaming 15 year Olds rather than citing the serious and relevant message BTS was delivering. Stay well.
but he is not a news reporter, he is supposed to tell jokes. that's literally how all the shows about news work
True
I don't believe public apologies, they are tools used by publicists. The whole shame and apology game just falls flat for me. I don't think it has any meaning anymore.
Tbh generally I'd prefer seeing change than hearing sorry, I do vibe with " actions speak louder than words" I don't want to hear that someone is sorry I want to see they understand why whatever it was they did was wrong, learn from it and not repeat it. "Sorry" as far as I'm concerned is just a word the proceeding actions and growth from it is what's important.
Edit: typos
There’s nothing to apologize for!
@@sewgatormomm they never said there was, they just gave their thoughts on public apologies.
@@sewgatormomm I think they were maybe talking about NOEL's public apology. If that's the case, there was definitely something to apologise for
On a separate tangent....the world would be a better place if 15 year old girls of different background want to be the Secretary General of UN someday. Conscientious and intelligent young people are trying to affect change at their school and communities. Take it global ladies!!!
I agree w danny, the only offensive thing was the '15 yr olds' thing
But thats not even offensive. He was referring to the 15 year old army who dont pay attention to politics, but are now bc of bts. He wasnt referring to adult army or elementary age army. Whats offensive about calling a 15 year old... 15 years old?
@@user-sk8tf7go3b he basically meant we are all 15 year old girls. At least that’s what it sounded like. It’s a stupid stereotype that shouldn’t exist
@@parkjihoon1888 what about the stupid stereotype that all boyband fans are young people. Offensive? Or totally okay to say?
@@user-sk8tf7go3b it is a bit offensive bc the fandom is diverse and it feels like he’s saying we’re all the same and don’t know anything.
@@parkjihoon1888 Then cancel President Moon. The president of South Korea got on Good Morning America and said, "BTS represents the young generation and many young people relate to them" reguarding the UN partnership. Not all boyband fans are "young". Older ARMY relate to BTS, and some young people dont relate to them at all. Sad stereotype right? Still offended? Or do you pick and choose what to be mad about?
Seriously, some Army has a thing for overreacting over silly things. For sorry for the guys. Sigh. That said he should have been cancelled for saying he heard the album when he didn't during last interview.
I mean we're a huge Fandom so things do become huge even if we don't want to. It just spreads fast and thus becomes trending and huge. We are that impactful.
Its just the man has done zero research. BTS have been on the UN 3 times. 3 TIMES. How is it unusual?
And also the fact that literally we are so diverse. Had he not paid attention to the audience that came to his show when BTS came over?
And God im so tired of hearing the 15 year old girls. Like what's even wrong with being 15, a girl and liking something?
@@maryamsiddiqui5122 agree. So we should be more careful on what and how we blow it up. It's not a good look for us or bts
As a 63 year old ARMY since 2017 who has been lucky enough to see them 3 times, I don’t appreciate the cheap joke of James Cordon. He knows a lot about ARMY and chose to be dismissive of BTS and their fans. He could have told the same joke but replace “15 year old girls” with 60 year old women. That’s pretty funny. Instead of putting down 15 year old girls for their enthusiasm for BTS, every girl in the universe should be encouraged to look to BTS for positive characteristics that they require in a future partner. They are kind, hardworking, thoughtful, respectful, positive, considerate, well spoken, talented, and yes, handsome and wealthy. He’d better sincerely apologize. I’m sure he will.
James Cordon is repulsive for supporting #6 and the elder abuse their fans endorse.
@@PrincessHarlotte what’s #6?
Agree, "60 yo" would have added a level of unexpected and intelligent humor, and an indirect nod to the maturity and intelligence of BTS' fan base.
May we all be fortunate enough to see BTS with our own eyes (and not thru a screen) again 🙏🙏
@@jeensjaams9933 they’ll be back! We just got refunded for the tickets we had for the 2020 concert that didn’t happen. I was wishing they’d just keep it and guarantee us seats at the next one, whenever it is. I’m really hoping that the diplomatic status that they were just given by their president might be considered a form of alternative service to their country so they can comeback 7 strong. 🤞🏼
I personally feel that ARMY's are at times over sensitive with BTS related content, and this leads to a prevalent 'cancel culture' in the fandom. Personally, I feel what James said was kind of taken out of context. I believe he meant it in a normal way because it was indeed 'unusual' to have BTS, a musical group at the UN. Now we ARMYs know that BTS is more than just a musical group but to an outsider they are just their music. And his statement about the 15 year old girls was actually right on because deny it or not, BTS does have a large following of teenage girls (alongwith ARMYs of all age groups) and these young ARMYs watched the UN assembly out of their own will, which is a great feat, who else could have convinced them to participate in such an event? That's why I feel that people are misunderstanding the whole James Cordon statement whereas in reality it's not really that deep.
Edit: Damn y'all wilding in the comments. I said what I said. I kind of agree now that how the age group joke could have rubbed people the wrong way but I still believe that people should learn to take certain things as a joke. Yes BTS had a tough past so ARMYs are overprotective but y'know it's good to let things slide at times. You all only making a fool out of the fandom for reacting over such lame jokes. I mean these show hosts make derogatory and stereotyping jokes about famous people all the time, does it make it right? NO. But even then, if you keep throwing rocks at every dog you find then you'll soon run out of any rocks to throw at them. So stop treating BTS as kids and blowing everything negative related to them out of proportion or soon PEOPLE WILL STOP ASSOCIATING THEMSELVES WITH BTS.
Yeah tbh all k-pop fandoms are really sensitive about their idols.
I think the part with generalizing armys as 15 year olds was what caused all this . If that comment wasn't there , the part with "unusual" wouldn't actually matter .
But it wasn't unusual for BTS to be at the UN. Not only was it their third time but Beyonce and Shakira also performed at the UN before. It's disrespectful, undermining and under researched. That's something a talk show host is not supposed to be. If research was done he would know that they were there not as artists but SDG representatives, they were diplomats. And the '15 year old girls' was misogynistic and condescending. Added to that 50% of the fandom is above the age of 20. On top of all that as BTS was there as apart of the SDG, one of the goals is to close the gender gap by James undermining young girls he is directly going against what BTS went to the UN for.
@@sprite6833 i agree. a lot of ARMY who lived thru the horrible interviews of 2017-2019, being called rabid and histerical 15yo jump on these. over reaction? maybe. but it's a sensitive point.....
@@kentokim lol he was just joking chill
I think attacking Corden for one silly joke (he’s a comedian by the way, making jokes is his job) is exactly what keeps alive the stereotype that we as armys are immature and brainwashed teens
Edit: since some people replied and seem to have misunderstood my comment. I’m not saying that stereotyping 15 year old girls as silly and obsessed is good. I’m saying that getting mad and attacking Corden is not very mature and will just reinforce said stereotype.
Totally agree
A joke does not have to be at somebody else's expense. James Cordon has been around BTS but in one sweep he said BTS unusual appearance ( even tho this is their third time) and goes on to make joke on the same stereotype we have been labelled for years. Literally nobody has to prove anything to James or anyone to prove him wrong. More over if a joke implies again that 15yr old girls are not ambitious unless it's about something superficial yeah you've already lost the plot. A joke has to have some taste
Well said. Such a trivial thing.
I think it's completely fair for James Corden to say that BTS' performance at the UN is unusual, and I can definitely take a joke, but the 'dumb boy-band-obsessed teenage girl' is such an old and annoying stereotype. Invalidating teenage girls is not really a 'silly joke'
Why the 15 year old trying to be some old man in the UN ???
"so they can have a seat next to BTS" 🤢
First of all thats such a sasaeng move
second of all the average of BTS ARMY is 18-20+ "NEARLY HALF OF THE BTS ARMY IS OVER 18"
What is wrong about James Corden?
-The chauvinism of laughing about young girls' tastes
-The stereotypes about BTS ARMY being only young girls excluding the rest of the fandom
-Using these harmful stereotypes to make people "laugh"
-He said he's a fan but only knows dynamite
What is wrong with saying he is a fan of BTS while e only knows dynamite? Seems like gatekeeping to me(excluding the other points)
@@TMC_TimeLine he pretended to knows all the album, the songs etc. I mean if he only knows dynamite, no problem, it's simply a taste. But why did he have to lie? For clout. Just say to like a song and stop, don't pretend to be something you're not
He know of more than one song. He sang along with a few of their songs in the Carpool Karoeke episode. I think that episode was before Dynamite.
@@francavetro619 I think he heard more than dynamite if you watch carpool karaoke. Seems you are making assumptions also
@@francavetro619 did you watch carpool karaoke he know Korean songs too
The NOEL thing reminds me of something that would happen on the K-Drama _The Devil Judge_ LOL
I’m an Army myself and I think we are overprotective because these boys have been through so much but sometimes, it gets too much. SOME Armys nitpick over little things and blow things out of proportion. At this point, I feel like no one would wanna talk about BTS in the fear of being cancelled by SOME Armys.
Exactly
This victimhood narrative is ridiculous. BTS hasn't struggled any more than most other groups. The difference is that BTS love to talk about their struggles more than others.
@@user-lj1mt1cr2e just come to write this but you already did! Thank you
The only thing that Corden said that bothered me was that the UN has no choice but to take BTS seriously because of Army. Their achievements and messages are still valid and having a large fanbase is a consequence of their messages and music.
I'm with James, I'm tired of defending Army when they keep falling into the stereotype they claim they aren't
-what mentally sane adult invade the guys privacy and take photos of the them without consent and Forming a crowd which is a risk to spread corona?
-what mentally sane adult is obsessed and enforce shipping? BTS said many times to stop, they don't like that.
- What sane adult keeps spamming emojis and Kept asking for BTS at the UN meeting instead of listening and adding to the conversation? If your not 15 or younger then please prove it and behave better because this fandom feels immature because this is ridiculous. I find it stupid that ARMY behave like this but get offended when they called 15yr olds. Please do better, it's been too hard to defend you Armys.
Even a sane teen would know that the things you mentioned are not okay. But also it's a shame that most people only see what the loud and angry fans are saying...Army will continue on and we will keep learning and we will keep making a lot of mistakes.
@@totoma5131 yeah it's tiring. I hope the fandbase mature soon. It's just so frustrating and embarrassing.
10 million thumbs up. I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Best comment.
@@litepaw7 there were more armys who were trying to stop those spamming comments, it was not armys, it's haters who makes those spam comments to create those stereotype , they are still going on
Rest of your opinion I agree with you
@@anshabak6091 it's still immature if they are in the kpop community, no sane adult should be involved in fanwars. I'm frustrated in the Kpop community as a whole also.
Comedians are often glib, trite or superficial; even my favorites have occasionally annoyed the crap out of me. As for age of fans : I love BTS, Queen, and Bach......even though I am neither 15, 70 OR 200.
I like bts joy Lee Suhyun crush but there fans are not bullies
Cancelling someone over that mild of a joke is literally the whole reason "Ugh" was written. Think about that, Army.
Cancelling people in general is just disgusting now. People need to realise that James is basically told what to say the majority of the time. His writers would have told him to talk about the UN and they probably wrote the joke too. Also, the whole 15 year old girl thing isn't really wrong. There are many young armies out there that give the fandom a bad name because they get jealous and all that shit
Corden is notoriously disliked by people in the industry. He’s been called a douchebag, a social climber, etc. But he comes off as likable on camera, and the show is “quirky” and “fun” with the games.
He most definitely puts on a “nice” mask. Multiple celebrities, people, and aura readers have confirmed this. A very popular tiktokker whom does aura reads have said that James Corden has a rlly dark aura and he most definitely puts on a facade. He’s not as nice as people think he is and it’s sooo obvious. He honestly makes me uncomfortable seeing him communicate with such a fake mask on.
That moment where ARMYs prove Corden right by behaving like immature 3 year olds. Dear human race, if you’re offended, be offended. Explain why if you want to. But do not act like you are owed an apology because you are offended if you cannot even have the slightest bit of empathy or common sense to understand someone else’s intentions. It is unusual for a group to be named diplomats and to perform a musical number in the middle of the UN. Like, it’s unusual that’s why it’s incredible. If it was normal then it wouldn’t be remarkable or noteworthy. Stop misunderstanding the English language as an excuse to be offended. Also, the majority of BTS fans are girls and young women. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing to be ashamed of. So let’s move on. (Like, for real, is he meant to put a disclaimer ‘not every fan is a 15 year old girl, but here comes the joke’? Do fans feel ashamed that the majority of fans are girls and young women so they assume Corden is being misogynistic because deep-down they’ve internalised it and are projecting?) Danny’s right. I mean I like BTS’ music and I admire them as people but if Corden is forced to apologise over such a nothing situation and ARMYs let a joke they don’t like overshadow the achievement of BTS right now, then I have to say respect for them as a fandom (which is already tenuous) disappears and I know most of them are cool normal people. Anyone outside of kpop and BTS will be judging hard cause it’s stupid. Stuff like this is a huge part of the reason kpop is not taken seriously in a lot of circles. Please can fans start to be a bit more measured and reasonable. Please.
Edit: okay some people are pissed so I’m gonna address it.
1. It wasn’t misogynistic what Corden said. There is a culture in our society which looks down upon anything closely associated with female identity and spaces. It encourages girls, teen girls in particular, to grow up in a culture of shame. It’s disgusting. Corden did not make a joke out of that. It’s inaccurate to say that his joke about teen girls envying the Secretary General, an old man (tbh), is about shaming BTS fans or girls/women. It’s a joke about how populist fan culture has collided with UN politics. It’s satire about the disconnect between young people and their culture and old people in power. The ARMY joke is a similar subject too. The power of fandom with wordplay about global military force. The joke about 15 year old female fans is bad for two reasons. 1. It is unfunny. 2. It has an unclear subject/target making it so open to interpretation that the meaning itself gets lost in translation to the audience. It is not because it is misogynistic. That is because he does not display a superior attitude or in tone or words imply any patronising or disrespectful stance towards BTS or the fans. The joke is about the gap between the culture of the two groups and bridging it because of BTS (which even if you’re a fan you must admit looks unlikely to people who are not into BTS). Interpreting it as misogynistic is projecting. The fact we live in this unfortunate patriarchal and often outright misogynistic culture does not mean any suggestion of something being predominantly enjoyed by girls and young women is said with the intention of discrediting it. Hope that makes sense.
2. I wanna explain about the culture of getting offended over nothing and expecting people who are strangers to accommodate you rather than managing your own emotions. When people grow into mature humans (of course the age at which this happens varies enormously) they learn to manage their own emotions and take responsibility for them. For example, I have struggled with a lot of mental health issues including long-term eating disorders. I am very triggered when I hear someone (especially men) talk about women’s bodies in an objectifying way. Like, I get for real livid. It feels very personal and dredges up a lot of personal shit for me. But if they are a stranger then I tend to just take a moment to deal with it myself. There are members of Super Junior (I like their music so have heard them say this on radio/interviews/variety) who have said things to this effect that make me dislike their attitude. But so? Do they need to care how I, a random British woman they do not know, feels about some dumb thing they’ve said? No. They don’t. That would be entitled of me. It would be an immature display of failing to keep my emotions in check for my own well-being and blaming others instead of dealing with it myself. Like. A. Child. I understand that for fans they can feel like their world is under attack when people (according to their perspective) have insulted the idol or fandom in question. But it’s an irrational response. And I have seen such extreme responses from fans trying to defend their idol and fandoms that it becomes more accurate to call them cruel rather than the person who said whatever. Fans frequently assume the worst in situations like this. The lack of empathy or understanding can be genuinely worrying. Like a hate comment from an ARMY ‘defending’ BTS is not better than a hater writing one about BTS. Just saying.
3. This has overshadowed BTS’ achievement. So what if Corden didn’t talk about the content of the speech or the fact that BTS are diplomats now? Like, is he running a lecture for students studying the list of achievements of BTS? No. He’s running a talk show where he is perfectly within his right to say what he likes and does not need to be dictated a script by ARMYs desperate to watch content praising BTS. He mentioned another remarkable achievement made some jokes (funny or not) and then moved on. That’s all he did. For goodness sake. BTS fans are now yelling louder about a dumb joke than the content of the speech. If fans cared enough awareness could be getting raised even further outside the fandom. But no, the main message is another person mentioned BTS, the fans didn’t like the joke and now that person is a baddy or whatever. Sorry to use Danny and David here in my petty little point but you’ll notice they played the whole clip of Corden and discussed some tweets and offered their opinions. But the footage was without sound for the speech and they acknowledged it happened (happily and proudly) without going into more detail. Implied priorities. Danny and David pick content that is popular and has a lot of attention, especially on social media. Personally I’ve seen far more coverage of Corden’s joke and ARMYs outrage than the speech and raising awareness. Thus, ARMYs overshadowing BTS’ work and achievement and the important messages with petty Twitter bs.
Anyway, hope you’re having a lovely day and my essay of a comment didn’t give you an aneurism. ;)
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I officially gave up my Army status when Armies went on his (Corden) IG account under a friend picture (who passed) and was spewing hate to Corden. It’s disgusting
@@LeeKnow3rdEye my was when they spamed a comedian ig with burgers and pig comments because he didn't eat the burger JK got him....
so what fandom are you in?
It happening 3 times already makes it not that unusual?
Honestly the response to the joke is lending credence to the “15 year old” comment. This is not the thing to be getting upset about or directing attention to. Don’t like the joke? Don’t watch-that simple
Exactly.. So disappointed in our fandom
Exactly, people have to remember that James is a comedian as well as a talkshow host. He makes jokes, and not all jokes land well with people.
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
@@hmv5166 unfortunately I think the fandom has looked like a joke for some time now (probably why he went for that punchline) and it’s instances like this that drives it home. Sucks to say but I just say I’m a fan of bts instead of ARMY because of how the fandom’s rep is online. I’m too grown for that
@@tpico93 well said! It’s just the sad truth of it 😔
I agree the 15yr old statement was an unprepared comment which should have been thought through but it wasn't hateful at all! Oh mannn James is such a sweet fella. I'm an army too. But you don't gotta eat everyone up!
It's still stereotypical and misogynistic joke, even if he didn't meant it. It's not his fakut, because it's just (sadly) normalized to mock teenager girls.
"James is such a sweet fella" MY FOOT! You are obv unaware of how he actually is in real life, he is haughty, proud, and rude! And if thats not enough for yoopu to know what kind of person he is, you know that stupid 2016 kimye drama, you know that in that drama he sided with k*m and k*nye and dragged and made fun of taylor and the hate she was enduring? Basically made fun of her and the way ppl were dragging her? If thats not enough for you to know what kind of disgusting person he is, idk what more proof u need
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
I agree. James Corden did not say one hateful thing, but the mean comments he received did more to damage the ARMY's character than anything else. It is becoming embarrassing to tell ppl you are an ARMY.
Fans need to chill. Corden didn’t lie or say anything worth all this mess, people are inferring things and getting pissed from that. Not his problem, late night guys aren’t funny and he’s no exception, but that doesn’t make it ok to react the way too many alleged ARMYs have. You can give constructive criticism without being nasty and if you’re actually an ARMY, that’s how you’ll do it (if you feel so aggrieved you HAVE to say something🙄).
The guys don’t care (at least not at this point), so we shouldn’t either.
we do not care about ur opinion
You do realize that if we let things like these slide they will continue to happen and continue to get worse? James has worked with them multiple times and knows the boys and the fandom for him to make comments like these are just absurd. Majority of the fandom are above the ages of 20 (female, male and nonbinary) that come from around the world and to continue pushing this negative narrative of 15 yo teenages is just dumb. What is worse is the fact that he also said that "the world leaders have no other choice but to take bts seriously" implying that they view bts as a joke and that people have to take them seriously simply bcs they have a big fanbase and not bcs they are actually genuine people. We still don't know what the boys think about the situation bcs they don't make things public and the fact that they haven't attended the late late show since last year speaks volumes.
Umm did you evn say what ppl were saying?? Instead of just dismissing it as "fans getting mad" nobody was hating on him! Everyone was just calling out his deeply rooted sexism, misogyny, prejudice and stereotypes! That is constructive criticism........
So proud of BTS, no matter what hosts and comedians careless comments, BTS saved my life please respect all 7
Random thoughts~ yaaah! So proud to hear BTS representing their country as Special Envoys, and speaking entirely in Korean at the United Nations!! 💥🇰🇷👍🏼
... side thought that slipped in~ can’t wait to hear their next comeback with Korean lyrics... And an “Explained By A Korean” vid from DKDKTV! 😉😎🙃
Im 33 and im a asian but i never offended what james corden said in his show for godsake he is a comedian...
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
I don't think he has any I'll intention but he should think before saying. He knows BTS and army so he know he needs to be careful
@@AS...15 he wouldn’t have to be careful if army wasn’t so uptight
Just seems like a bad lazy joke, though. Typical stereotype joke, i heard that kind of comment from my dad when i'm fangirling. When you have a clown as a president and literally served funny material everyday for your show for 4 years, no wonder your skills in writing jokes got bad. LOL
"a clown as a president" lmao
jokes are supposed to be funny where is the funny
@@thvminee exactly, it was a bad attempt to seek laughter
🙌💥🙌oh my gosh 🤣🤣🤣 Yes Go off 😎
This. It's so stereotypical like okay boomer make an original joke
About the thing with James Corden... It's just that the term "boy band" has so many negative connotations and stereotypes attached to it, so that any group deemed as a "boy band" (along with their fans) is never really taken seriously and respected even when they do really meaningful things that have a huge positive impact. So it's just disappointing when people reproduce these stereotypes and preconceptions and make fun of them, especially in the case of BTS - the members and army have done so many positive things but we're still just stereotyped as crazy 15 year old girls, even though we're so diverse. Btw there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a 15 year old girl that is crazy about BTS, always portraying that as something negative is also a problem.
The thing is... he had the chance to talk about how amazing it is that BTS were at the UNGA and how their presence would make the youth more interested in the UN and politics and how proud he was of the boys. But instead he chose to make prejudiced, unfunny "jokes".
But all in all, I don't think it was THAT bad, just unfunny and uncalled for... and a missed opportunity. I wouldn't cancel him, that's going too far.
These are men, and a wonderful example of what it means to be a man. Boy band? This failure to acknowledge growth is an attempt to diminish them personally and professionally. It should offend everyone.
I think people going too far tbh. It seems too immature to "cancel" him over a little comment like that.
people? just army!
Welcome to being super famous and being at the top. EVERY celebrity and famous person will get these type of comments from comedians like James Cordon. Most other fandoms learn to pick their battles because what James said was stupid but wasn't highly offensive. Army want BTS to be recognised and applauded for everything they have achieved, but it will come with criticism and sometimes that means people will comment on what they have done.
So are the fans not allowed to defend the artists they are fans of? Come on, people talk about Beyonce for example all the time and the beehive is always there to defend the artist they care about.
He laughed about young girls implying that they don't dream big but only think about stupid things if it wasn't for a boy group. This is chauvinism.
Then bts are known to have a fandom with 35% of underage people, so he was excluding the majority of the fandom bc of the stereotypes that boy groups are followed only by young girls
Then he said he is a fan of bts but doesn't know it's not unusual for bts going to the UN since it's the 3rd time. And again it was implied that is odd that a boy group went there. Don't pretend to be a fan if you're not, there's nothing wrong about not being a bts fan. Why did he have to pretend?
Behind those words there are a lot of issues and we are tired of ignorance.
@@healingv1sion well yes, you are allowed to defend BTS. But doesnt 'blacklisting' someone for a stupid but not highly offensive choice of words seem a little too much for 'defending'.
That is not defending, that is attacking back
@@healingv1sion defending and hate with threats are two different things. Wrong is wrong regardless what fandom
Agreed! Moreover, his comment was directed towards Army and not BTS.. So armies demeaning him into changing his Twitter name and not calling himself papa mochi ever again is disgusting.. Why tf are we deteriorating his relationship with BTS when what he said wasn't disrespectful to them at all? Armies are literally hiding under the guise of protecting BTS by canceling Corden when that's not the case at all.. BTS is comfortable with him and we should leave it like that. If this fandom started reacting to every trivial thing like they do then I'm sorry to say but you're actually acting like an immature kid (as they say:)
I think ARMYs including me are just so sick and tired of the stereotypical teenage girls comments that we are so disappointed when someone we thought was genuine and considered close to BTS made this remarks. Disappointed. I know he is suppose to give humorous remarks but there's nothing funny about his comments at all.
Lol dont get offended, it was comedy
This
He might have been friendly with bts while also not holding respect for ARMY and ARMYs as individuals, which is not cool and is definitely something he should learn from.
Canceling is juvenile and ineffective, we gotta grow form our mistakes.
Squid game is so good. I stayed up to watch all 9 episodes and I have no regrets. I haven’t been able to stop talking about it
Omg same, I recommended it to everyone I know 😂
@@halasili91 me too and then I rewatched all 9 episodes a couple days later and stayed up again 😂😅
Cordens comment was hilarious and the response is proof of some of the fans actions lol. There was no hate definitely a general boyband joke. I remember when fans laughed at things like this and continued to support their favorite bands. The internet has made people even more insecure than ever. Everyone always finds something so small to be offended over.
I disagree just bc of how it was worded. If he had substituted “millions of people around the world” or something instead of “15 year old girls” then it would have been more funny
Y'all really should hear him again...ok so "unusual" ain't bad. It's just another word for- different. He did not say that all the fans are 15, infact, he said, "15 year old girls everywhere wants to be..." Age dosent matter to me, but the "girl" did,try not to be a sexist, Corden. Guys who are 15 can be armies too. Nonetheless, He is a comedian, an entertainer, it's his job. He also said he loved the performance right after it was showed. Ok I admit it, his tone was mocking but I think we just misunderstood the whole situation. But posting death threats in one of his latest posts abt one of his dead family member is a holy thing to do??? Armies, that really went overboard. Pls think- James Corden is one of the nicest host to BTS, so stop spreading hate. Y'all really need to think, this IS the industry. Relationships may or may not be real. Sometimes they pretend.
Now for the clout thing, James is using BTS for clout, so be it(so is every other shows/hosts, u think bighit dosent know that?). BTS is using the show to promote their albums in America. It's a win-win situation for them. This is the INDUSTRY. And that's how it works there
I m not a hater, nor a Corden supporter. I have been a hard core army 3 years-😊. But I don't want my army sisters and brothers out there spreading hate, bts taught us to love, not to hate..
Ps. I don't usually talk these things out loud, but I do think army's are overreacting. Stop making look army's bad, pls. If ARMYS keep on cancelling celebs, they themselves would be the downfall of BTS. Don't forget this..
Also, whoever you are, I love u💜
Edit: Come to think of it, he may also be getting back at BTS haters, tho. Like, haters say BTS has 15 year old girls as fans and he may be mocking the haters. Idk I don't think we should spread any more negativity. He got what he deserved for his tone. He might be regretting bcz of the drop of rating. So spread positive energy armies~
I second this whole comment
Had NOEL been my father's son, he would be scared to go home. My dad was that man who said he will beat the demons outta you lmaoooo. I for one thank my parent's discipline because who knows I could've been a NOEL
I felt that, and don't let anyone else in the family find out what you did, or more pain would ensue.
I Can relate to this comment lol
I relate to this a lot, esp the last bit. My parents strictness really protected from some baaaad decisions
I think some army just overreacts, it was like a bad dad joke and that’s it and as Danny and David said it is unusual to see a k pop group at the UN, so there’s no point on discussing that. Glad they have their chance to speak out though 💜
I am a 61 year old fan who follows BTS and James. We need to remind ourselves that James is a comedian and a great fan of BTS. Just look at James interacting with Harry Styles, it is all for laughs. Has fans we need to get a sense of humor and not get do defensive.
"i thought he was the favorite host?!"
Sorry dude, no one's beating out boi jimmy fallon ✊😌
I love that one of the news is " Blackpink's Lisa got rid of her bangs for fans"😂❤
I noticed it too😂
Congratulations to Korea. You should be proud! I am so impressed by your president that he was willing to concede problems Korea still has. I know politicians in Australia would be very reluctant to mention problems they were responsible for!
10:30 I concur, I don’t think he meant the “unusual” comment in a negative way, but the whole 14 y/o thing... meh, I thought he’d be smarter than that
The part "unusual".I think I understand a bit about what he want to say but the 15 y/o thing.......as soon as I heard that word I started to feel uncomfortable. But for now instead of attacking him I think we should just ignore him. It's the best way. Don't waste our time on him and we also don't want ppl use this to describe us as a toxic fandom. Am I right?
People are taking the James Corden thing too far. The joke was lame and eyeroll-worthy but not much more than that. I feel like fans wind up putting BTS in difficult situations with stuff like this. Fans get needlessly offended by something and then BTS are forced to choose between backing their fans even if they don't agree or keeping the beneficial relationship with the celebrity who they may actually like.
True. That's my biggest concern. They might be embarrassed and we don't want that!
Agreed. Save the outrage for important fights... like the racist jokes from those radio DJ's in Germany or Brazil... then yah, by all means! Cancelling someone over a dumb dad joke, just makes us the joke even more.
Overly sensitive ARMYs need to simmer down about the James Corden “situation”. Poking fun at literally everyone is every Late Night hosts schtick. Obviously he didn’t mean to offend; was his joke distasteful, mmyeah. Can we all get over it; absolutely.
Focus on what BTS’ purpose to attend the UN. If we don’t do something 5 years ago (yes we’re behind) we won’t have a BTS or anything of the sort to pull us out the worst of times in the future. Think about that; a future without these guys. I’d much rather donate my organs.
Focus on fighting the war against the planet; research it, learn it, live it. Set an example for future ARMYs. Think about how you can help girls in other countries who don’t have the basic right to education.
What’s more important?
I don’t even know why people get mad for being called 15 yo ? Plus y’all just proved your immaturity by “cancelling” him 😂
You're right. Their action.............i hope more army will be mature soon.
8:41 There's also corden saying BTS is taken seriously only because of thhe size of our fandom...and not because of all the things they have done.
You've understood that joke wrong. He is not saying bts is only taken seriously because of their following. He is making a joke that world leaders need to respect them because they have one of the largest army's in the world, as in military force. Quite a clever joke in my opinion
Yes! Since, the fandom is so big they get a lot of views. That's what he cares the most about actually. You can see from his body language how passionately he talks about views. He spoke nothing about SDGs or purpose and impact of BTS.
@@TMC_TimeLine even if we take this as a joke...... that's a very lame joke
Did he lie tho? The western media and especially western artists wouldn’t have taken BTS seriously or looked their way if it wasn’t for their large fandom.
You good with BTS you get a large fandom backing you. That’s true
@@AmiAki so you mean to say, them sacrificing their youth, the endless amounts of practice hours, them making good music, delivering good performances, talking about mental health issues, spreading messages of hope and comfort, are not the metrics for them as an artist to be respected but a large fan following? If they didn't have such a huge fandom, they'd be a joke to the west?
10:15 If he said that all Army wanna now be officials in UN it would be stupid. Only teenagers are that impulsive and immature (both gender). Armies are oversensitive, he doesn't even try to imply that all armies are 15yo.
34yrs old army here!...I don't want him to apologize because it wouldn't be genuine.. he had to know that the comment or "joke" he made was going to get backlash and still did it anyways so he clearly doesn't care about offended BTS or their fans... Plus Ive heard that he's notorious for being rude and disrespectful to staff and guests on his show so I hope BTS never go on his show again
Hahahaha hilarious.. he made a joke. And he wasn't saying they are all 15. I thought it was a good joke.. and he was simply pointing out the impact BTS has. He did nothing wrong I say.
Army, like all fandom, has toxic fans, but not all are like this . Unfortunately army is much bigger fandom and therefore there are more toxic fans . I think it wasn't such a big deal
Yea, I was expecting something much worse when I saw the title of the video. I think the unusual comment is pretty appropriate, and the 15 yo girl was said in a joking manner. I thought the rest of the clip actually put BTS in a positive light
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
I respectfully disagree
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 You got the joke! You can’t even say anythingggggg about BTS because other Army’s will jump down your throat. I commented I didn’t think Permission to Dance was their best song and wooooow the amount of hate was crazy! If it’s constructive criticism then it should be ok coming from an Army like me. The toxic fans aren’t just sasaengs, it’s the ones who attack constructive criticism AND stupid jokes too! It’s RIDICULOUS.
And you know, the worst part of it is that because of the "Cancel James Corden" thing, and the fact that he got viral for this is just reaffirming all this "crazy ARMY" agenda. If we continue to act like this whenever someone says anything slightly ironic or funny about them we are going to isolate them from the world and believe it o not they are professional musicians who need connections and friends in these industry. Believe it or not they are human, they need friends and we have witnessed the mutual love between them and James Corden, we have no rights to decide who they are friends with, we are fans.
I understand that the "15 girls" joke is getting old and exhausting at this point, I myself as a 29 year old Army just don't get how someone can still think like this anymore. But, instead of making such a fuss out of this unintended bad joke lets concentrate on more important things. We can't be that sensitive about everything, c'mon, we need to demonstrate that we are mature. If we don't like a tweet, comment or joke, and we know it is not a big deal or is unintended just pass by, don't interact with it, don't retweet, don't mention it anywhere. The boys are like that, when Billboard made that stupid article, they just stopped interacting with them, in silence and they won.
I am a BTS fan and I think some ARMY took this WAY too seriously. American talk show hosts take shots at EVERYONE - even presidents and leaders - it's basically in their job description. It was not personal. This is something that makes me irritated by ARMY. How about we use our power for the important issues.
I don't think he should apologize. He didn't say all 15 year old girls were army, and he's a comedian. It's literally his job to crack jokes and talk about people.
I serious space where things like pandemic and climate was sensitively discussed by BTS was diminished by him.. will he do it for other influential people out there... Trevor Noah also talked about it in a fun way while being respectful at the same time.. it's not impossible... When we ignore such things it will lead to a bigger disrespect in the future.. I don't want him to apologize tho, cause I don't think anyone will take it anyway..
It is true he didn't say all 15 yo girls were army and he also did not say all army were 15 yo girls. However, the joke did basically say that 15 yo girls would not be interested in global diplomacy and global issues without some celebrity leading them to it, which is kinda offensive to 15 yo girls and everyone who has been a 15 yo girl and everyone who knows 15 yo girls.
He is a grown up man and he also know that being in UN is such an important thing and instead of focusing on the thing they have said which is the problem facing by the world in this current time , he is cracking jokes that the world leader have to listen to them because they have crazy 15 years old fans will never be funny and if we don't call him out now then he can do more such things again and if it get bigger what will we do so we should correct this when the matter is still in control and are small .
THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE! Thank you for being brave enough to say this. I wholeheartedly agree that, in this instance, ARMYs in Corden's yt and ig comments are making this fandom out to be an absolute JOKE. And regular people are seeing these comments and most likely thinking to themselves about what an immature group of people ARMYs are. To send literal death threats to a comedian over ONE STUPID JOKE is the peak of toxicity that rules this fandom. Honestly, we might not all be 15-year-olds, but a lot of you ARMYs sure do behave like a bunch of hateful teenagers who have no life unless they tear down others. ARMYs who sent hate to James might not feel bad at all for doing so, but I can guarantee (from all the gp comments I've seen on James' yt channel) that his regular viewers (including ME) have only grown in resentment towards ARMYs and, by proxy, towards BTS. Yep, you achieved it. BTS is now less popular. Congrats!
Cracking jokes laced with misogyny??
That ain't it
I think James Corden assumed he could get away with that joke because he probably thinks Army only watches his show if BTS is there appearing on his show. He thought he was safe lol.
You would think that having been able to interact with BTS for years, James Corden would know their impact. Didnt army even made donations to a charity because of Corden?This is why army are disappointed/mad.
Ikr. I get that it's a joke, but I figured he should know better than to make jokes like that.
Come to think of it, I think BTS and Corden's relationship might have gone south seeing they didn't promote butter with him. Seemed fishy
I'm army , did not cancel James cordon . His joke was hilarious.. I understood the humour , I do however wish he spent some time explaining the significance of bts presence at the UN , going beyond stating that world leaders need bts cause their army is huge. He could have ,mentioned that South Korea's president elected bts as presidential special envoys , what it means etc .. why the UN requested bts presence etc.. if he spent a 1 minute on explaining bts role etc then the joke would have been hilarious but his joke tanked because his joke downplayed bts achievement ... UNUSUAL VISITORS MAKES SENSE coz bts was the only group that was not either world leader or some boring high position in the UN .. so unusual definitely.. so young armys create and post memes about how they wish they were the wine bottle jk licked, how they want to be the sushi that jin eats , army is always posting memes about wanting to be the fly on the wall or the make up artist or hair stylists or the ones wiping bts sweat from their faces in between shows etc . Armys are the ones always posting how they wish they were ........ , it's definitely the teens creating the memes or posting the tweet etc. James cordon joke about 15 year old girls wanting to be the old white general assembly secretary is hilarious coz the teens do not generally want to be an old white Baldish old man but to be close to bts , hell yes! The mistake he made was the age group and gender cause in reality , every bts army would want to see bts up close and if it means being the old man , hell yeah . It's not just the teens , any loyal fan . I know that specifically mentioning teen girls Gives the joke it's weight coz young girls have a habit of saying ewwww gross for old white bald boring men but he should have known that there are armys that are super sensitive and do not break down the content before moaning . I get the joke , it's hilarious but it's not many that will get it , I do , immediately i understood the humor but also understand why so many are bitching.. It's weird when the teen girls are the ones bitching lol it should be the guys and the older army woman. So I made sure I bitched aswell and I hope male armys did the same , just to remind James that we are not 15 year old girls , we grown ass human beings who definitely wish were the UN secretary or any one of those wrinkled people close to bts at the U N.. oops not just male and female , people of all gender etc , my apologies for male and female reference , I'm still getting use to gender being more than just male and female.. , I hope armys that are not just teen girls , bitch online , let James know he needs some young , gender fluid writers cause his writers suck ..
I couldn’t say it better👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
you've given a well thought out response to this and I appreciate it. I also agree with what you said but would also like to add that another aspect of the 'unusual' guests could also be because BTS were performing a pop song and I'm sure it's very unusual to have Korean singers performing at the UN and dancing in and around the UN building. I do wish that some of ARMY would stop and take a minute before reacting to a lot of harmless things that go on regarding BTS. Unfortunately some ARMY are too quick to pounce and that can give all ARMY a bad reputation and could also be bad for BTS as some TV shows, etc. might not want to include BTS in their shows for fear of ARMY backlash. I'm an almost 56 year old female ARMY from Melbourne Australia
BTS NO LONGER NEED AMERICAN TV APPEARANCES
BIGHIT TAKE NOTE
Agree
I think we should let them decide on that for themselves
Personally, I think Cordens comments are waaaaay blown out of proportion. It's a joke. Just a joke - perhaps not a good joke. But no need to spew sooo much hate.
For being "ARMY" all the hate towards Corden is very unlike what BTS stands for..love, understanding, and positivity. I honestly don't think Corden meant any ill will towards the Fandom.
James Cordon was so funny. There’s nothing wrong with it. It was a freakin joke, y’all shouldn’t take it personal
I don’t care about his petty remarks but stereotypes our fandom by saying “15 years old girl” that’s what goes wrong.
at least to me the "15 years old girl" comment wasnt actually generalizing the fandom but just saying that the young fans in the fandom would have wanted to be there, which is true.
As a 57 year old Army who has been with BTS since January 2014, I find what he said very offensive. BTS Army is many ages, races, genders, colors, orientations etc... We are humans on planet Earth living in the BTS Universe!
Only thinned skin people will be offended.
If you are 57 yrs old and VERY offended over James Corden's badly placed jokes, then you take offense very easily over nothing.
I'm 40 and really, I found it NO offensive.
blup blup blup.... as a 57 yo person u should be much more chilled. and u dont need to repeat rm s words. that doesnt make u smarter. s stfu
I’m not worried about James, who is James?! BTS is beyond that. I’m 35 year old from Belgium with Chechen roots. And I’m a new baby ARMY. 😄
Welcome to the fandom💜
I think James doesn't need to apologise, maybe his 15yo girl joke was like a dad joke but not offensive. I am sure many of the BTS fans would have liked to be UN Secretary-General Guitterez who probably met them etc. The army joke was separate and not linked referring to how the UN has a large peace keeping force so it made sense BTS was there since the also had an 'Army' . I think this a lost in translation moment.
James Corden did make a degrading joke and I hope he knows that, but he didn't do anything that bad.
nah man, it is unusual for a boy group to turn up at the UN. Although, credit to BTS, they seem like solid dudes.
Who cares about boy group though it is BTS we are talking about. And anyone who knows them knows that it is not unusual for them. In fact it's their 3rd time there. Although I understand that western people think that BTS are anything remotely close to any western boy band which is completely false but it stems from ignorance.