the reason invincible is a “fraud” is because he barely is a superhero. Most of the stories of superheroes we follow have them way more experienced and wise than him. The reason Mark gets his ass beaten is because, he’s still learning. It also has to do with the show literally being a twist on the “Hero finds out he has powers, finds love interest, bad guy threaten her and get defeated” trope lots of superhero story follow. He is the hero. But he takes the beating in order to BECOME the hero.
True, when invincible started to be a hero, it was like a few days of getting them, and the whole point of the show is to see Mark's journey of learning about being a hero
Invincible does become really really strong. Like most good superheroes he’s holding back cause he’s scared to kill. The one time he doesn’t hold back and listens to his dad he starts beating ass. Same thing with Spider-Man. When he doesn’t hold back the dude can stop a punch from the hulk. It’s every hero’s weakness. If Batman didn’t hold back man would be an unstoppable force and Arkham Asylum wouldn’t have a breakout every 3 months
To be fair on Batman, Gotham's Justice System really becomes questionable when you realize that they don't give all these mass-killing psychopaths the death sentence, but that is what I think.
Not to mention the corruption that they have in slapping the criminals in Arkham Asylum like giving them mental treatment is gonna help the fucking Joker.
@@captaindiabetes4004 Moving aside all the alternate timelines and universes, I don't believe "Claiming Insanity" would allow them to constantly evade the death penalty over and over. Then again, I really only have surface-level understanding of the justice system that is outside of comics and stuff. But still, it is sort of ridiculous. (Fair, going into Arkham Asylum is like having an early trip to hell with all the nutjobs that are in it.)
@EpicGhostShadow Nah lol 😆 he's just your typical selfish and self-centered middle school kid that most were or have encountered growing up. He's far from being a sociopath. The meme makes no sense and quite dumb since it's not even true in the slightest. He's a jerk plain and simple, not even that deep.
My biggest point towards him not being a sociopath is that when he accidentally gets a sweater instead of a video game for Christmas that was supposed to go to a person who was either homeless, poor or less well of person because of a mix up he states that while he is disappointed he felt even worse for that person.
Tom has actually beaten Jerry several times throughout the years, one time by literally just holding a gun to Jerry's head. Wile E Coyote is a better example, who has only caught the Roadrunner in a commercial in a timeline in which ACME doesn't exist as a company.
4:08 That tiger dude is Battle Beast, the same dude who gave Thragg (an insanely powerful viltrumite) big trouble and would molest Omni-Man in an encounter. Marks loss there is fair
@@twistedair4045 comic did that better while showing how Viltrumite blood makes him superior to most people already and how him actually losing makes sense due to one being cosmic threat or just plain overwhelming ambush.
To let you know, Tommy, the Penguin is a crime lord. He does villainous acts for money and has goons that do the same. In Arkham Knight he deals weapons to a militia. In Arkham City he's in a war for land with The Joker. So yeah, just a bad guy in general who would do anything for his own benefit, even harm other people.
To be fair, Batman is not only as insane as all the other villians, and even if he killed those villians they would just come back. They literally got a pond under the city that can bring people back to life. Tom also fakes like he's gonna kill Jerry so that he isn't replaced by his owner so the new cat won't actually kill Jerry, and Dexter's inventions and plans work until Deedee gets involved.
A good thing with Yuuji from JJK is that, while he gets folded a lot, hes not a fraud because, 1).He still folds some of the people he fights. 2).Nobody acts like hes the strongest ever, hes just a relatively standard high grade sorcerer.
Matter of fact I got a list of characters Check it out: The war hammer titan from attack on titans (also maybe Reiner too) Zoidberg from futurama Carl Winslow from family matters Ngl Bob from bob’s burgers is kinda on my list too cuz he’s always mad broke and is always taking L’s Brian from family guy (he used to be somewhat charming, now he SUCKS) Bojack horseman Timmy turner Low key Angelica from rugrats Jimmy neutron Lumpy space princess Swiper from Dora the explorer Idk
The penguin nowadays isn’t really a super villain but more of a criminal businessman that runs certain underworld business and establishments that gives him huge sways with many gangs and organizations in gotham.🐱
To be fair Lebron isn't trash because he sucks at Basketball. He's trash because of his braindead political takes and hypocritical stance on China and Disney
1:15 Batman is mentally ill. It’s been touched on a few times but for the most part his “code” is just a cover up for his inability to take a life due to severe trauma and potential insanity.
4:18 to be fair that lion dude could fold Omni man like a lawn chair since he’s one of the strongest dudes, so it’s no wonder invincible got disrespected like that
I have not watched the show either but I've watched videos by those who are following the show and just from that alone, I was able to gather that yes, Mark does lose a lot fights and gets brutally beaten so badly, he probably shouldn't be able to walk away from it. But taking into account Mark is still very young... I mean, he's only in college, right? And at the beginning of S1, he was in high school? So, not only is ye very young, he's also going up against opponents who are far stronger and more experienced than him, and he couldn't even beat Omni Man because unlike Mark who grew up on Earth, Omni Man grew up on his own home world where things are completely different. Of course, Mark is punch above his capabilities whenever he goes up against stronger, more experienced opponents.
9:19 isnt it like canon that Tom and Jerry are actual Friends and Tom just pretends to his owner to catch him so he can stay in the house and Jerry stays because Tom is just fooling around catching him ?
1:40 Actually, 1939 batman killed villains. It was not until the mid 50s and 60 during the red scare they censored batmans killing and started the whole no kill policy
1:12 it's less of a moral code and more just severe childhood trauma that makes him associate all killings with the death of his parents, and some nightmare scenes have shown that his greatest fear is becoming the man who killed his parents, which he interprets in his broken brain as anybody who's a killer being his parent's killer, so if he kills then he's basically his parent's killer. Flawed logic but the man's form of therapy is putting cosplayers in comas for turning the water supply into tapioca pudding, so he's never really been rational about things
@@yarc9superman doesn't have as strict of a no killing rule as batman. Batman has a no killing rule while Superman simply chooses to not do it. Meaning If it'll be easier and safer for everyone then superman will kill while Batman will only kill as a last reort
I like to think that Batman doesn't kill in order to mainly separate himself from the criminals he fights, also so he can make them suffer broken bones instead of not experiencing any long-term pain due to death. Batman doesn't kill because he'd be just like the criminals who killed his parents. "If you kill a killer, the amount of killers in the world stay the same."
Just kill 2 killers the amount decreases. But in all seriousness batman has been shown in the animated tv show, helping villains reform and be well adjusted in society, but it's just that some batman writers forget that part of his character
@@sparkls4492 But not all enemies are like that? Would you rather Batman kill a low-life regular thug instead of letting him regret and suffer for his crimes?
the reason why it happened in season 1 is bc he is inexperienced, and its meant to show that, also the reason why he got folded by the bully is bc HE DIDNT HAVE HIS SUPERPOWERS!!! Like did you even watch this ? Basically even though he is literally invincible experience is key, without it your gonna get folded which happens to him
Yeah, I don't know why people think having a Superpower means you already mastered it like holy shit, That's why Invincible feels more human than most Superhero shows.
There were a few episodes where Tom does catch Jerry, just not for long because he either gets saved by Spike, or stolen by Butch. At least, that's usually how it goes
Batman's refusal to kill comes from an incredibly strict principle. He witnessed his parents get gunned down and while that is the surface of his refusal to kill and use guns since (I remember watching the animated film Batman: Under the Red Hood, one of the lines in the final fight was I think Jason asking why Joker was still alive. Batman said it would be too easy, meaning that if he ever killed, he wouldn't be able to go back or stop. Batman's restraint from killing when all points to a villain's permanent end making everything easier is truly admirable. Also, a character/superhero doesn't need to kill to be a truly terrifying and formidable foe. As a writer, it's far more terrifying when you create a character who is not only principled but knows they could take a life and it is only by their mercy that a villain continues to live.
@@winternightst7001 Hence why I say it is admirable his restraint. Anyone else might give in and actually kill the Joker...provided he stay dead. We go back to principle here. If Batman crosses that line, he runs the risk of becoming as reckless and murderous as the villains he fights which I think is also a good point in Batman's entire arc. Joker represents complete insanity and the extremes a person without morals will go to, a person who does not value life. Joker is the direct contrast to Batman and his morals and a reminder of what he could potentially become if he decided to start killing villains and making them suffer through every horrible ordeal they put innocent people through. We know Batman's not a perfectly sane character which is why, as frustrating as it is that Joker still lives despite his thousands of insane atrocities, it's crazy that Batman still shows restraint. It indicates that as horrible as the villains may be, Batman knows what he is capable of, and what he can become if he ever crossed that line.
Ngl for Batman I’m fine with him not killing, that’s fine and respectable. It’s just the fact that bro basically tries to enforce his no killing in Gotham, like you try and come through and kill Gotham villains Batman’s gonna come after you like your one of them. Like spiderman also doesn’t kill but atleast he doesn’t chase down every hero in New York any time they kill anyone.
I mean it's not like this dude is defending the Joker in court, he should've been got the death penalty already. People say Batman's a fraud but forget that the police *who get paid to catch these guys* fail and then after the justice system fails to do it's one job (enacting justice) the murderers and criminals just break out again.
To be fair to Invincible, when he was struggling with the reanimen, it’s because they were extremely strong and he wasn’t too experienced at the time, and they even managed to keep Omni-Man occupied for some time. When he lost to his father, his father was one of the greatest and strongest Viltrumite Soldiers of the empire, with thousands of years of fighting experience. And when he lost to Battle Beast, he is canonically possibly the strongest being in the universe, who fought the strongest Viltrumite while he had his own guts falling out from the start, and almost killed him in a fight that lasted for days. Also he’s new at being a hero so he’s still learning how to fight and he gets stronger with age, so his powers are basically a watered down version of what they are going to be in the future. 🤓
Batman not killing villains is the reason I don't consider him a good superhero anymore. At least Metropolis and Central City have a low crime rate. At least Spiderman will go out of his way to beat the ever loving shit out of Kingpin before threatening to kill him in Jail (Also, he's broken his code many times when it was necessary). Even Goku of all people will kill his opponents if necessary.
The thing about Batman not killing is that if he actually does do the deed, then he won’t be able to stop himself and one day he might kill innocent people because “it’s justice.” He’s afraid of becoming the same kind of monster that killed his parents.
This isn’t injustice universe, tons of people have killed to save their lives in reality and went through ten times worse than what Batman ever did and none of these people ever became crazy mass murderers
so according to the lore and to keep it short, tom and jerry are actually friends but tom pretends to catch him so his owner doesnt replace him with a cat who will kill jerry
Honestly I respect your opinion on invincible, personally I don't think he's a fraud and is just a teenager who got powers and is trying to take on a little much at once but I can see where you're coming from.
One of the worst tropes in writing is the “I don’t kill my villains” one. Seriously, when mark fought the gilt Viltrumites why did he hesitate to kill one? I am so glad that adult mark is different
People might see it as hypocritical when a character called Invincible gets dogged on so much but that isn't really the point. He's been beaten to an inch of his life, bones broken and shed a lot of blood. And the show hasn't even got into the crazy stuff yet. The beatdown his dad gave him is nothing compared to what happens to him in the comics. But after all that, he still holds true to his beliefs despite everything the world threw at him, his body has been broken dozens of his times. His spirit and morality never did. In that aspect he's truly Invincible.
Bro every time Batman kills someone he becomes a psycho 😭. It’s probably better for Gotham that the villains stay alive because every time Batman kills one of them shi gets wild
Dude, in Gotham City, it's not even just Batman. u got to worry about it's the amount of other psychopathic criminals out there that could get u before you even commit a crime in the first place😂
Exactly. In my opinion, people overanalyze it. You don't have to agree with a certain character and his believes to like him. You might've done something different, sure. There are multiple reasons why Batman doesn't kill, ranging from psychological to moral, it's been deeply explored in DC comics and other DC media.
If he ain't gonna 'Finish the job', then why become a vigilante. Fuck on outta here, with your Logic. If you ain't gonna do what needs to be done, then don't dare to spend billions of money on gadgets, costumes, child labor and shit and letting innocent people die cuz you got "StanDArDS".
This is why i love the SWAT Kats. They absolutely acknowledge the fact their villains have a high body count and commited too many crimes. They never hesitated to kill their villains Ben 10 as well. He hasn't actually killed anyone (not from what i remember) but he absolutely will if necessary
3:27 nah bro invincible is about him growing and becoming a superhero. It would be hella boring in every superhero movie/show the main character was OP and had no struggles. You especially can’t complain when he lost to his dad who’s a full viltrumite that has had thousands of years of fighting experience
Not to mention that there is a spin off book series of doawk where Rowley has his own journal and Greg acts More cynical and claiming that he Stole his idea.
The reason invincible is losing most of the time is because he’s fighting people who are stronger and more capable than him like in season 2 when he and Omni man were fighting the other viltrumites Omni man was on their skill level if not higher but invincible is basically a novice so he had a much harder time fighting the viltrumites. But hey that’s just a theory a viltrumite theory
God bless you and thank you for calling out the biggest fraud of all time first. I used to like Batman as a kid, but his fans are the core of this trash ass character.
@@redninja3056every hero that doesn't kill has this issue. We all know why they can't die, because they sell. Batman is the only one that goes meta about it and gives a in universe reason for it.
Superman doesn't have a no kill rule lol he's just a goody two shoes who'll only kill you after he's exhausted all options kinda the same thing kinda but not really @@callmejacob3234
First off: thank you. I always knew there was always something wrong with Batman's "No kill" policy. The only reason more people are taking notice is because of a certain series called My Hero Academia. To those who don't know, the entire society of MHA uses Batman's "no kill" policy, but since it's on a larger scale, people can almost immediately see everything wrong with it. The main problem being: the heroes create the villains. The reasons might be different but the end result is the same. In MHA, the heroes get paid for every villain they capture, so they make the villains. There's no consequence of death since they got rid of the death penalty, so it feels as though villainous acts are encouraged. Think about it, if you wanted to be a villain and do whatever you wanted with your quirk, you could do so knowing that you won't get executed, no matter how many people you slaughter. And when you get caught, you know it's only a matter of time before someone on the outside plans a prison break, which did happen in the series. Batman does it for his moral code, but every time the Joker or someone else escapes, that's about a dozen people straight up dead. That's another person's life completely snuffed out. That's possibly even another parent/parents who won't make it back home, and that leaves another child to feel the same way as Bruce. There's no such thing as perfection. Intent is but one of the few things that separates the rational man from the irrational.
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I feel like this happens every time a villain turns into a good guy, as soon as they turn good they’re weak asf
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the reason invincible is a “fraud” is because he barely is a superhero. Most of the stories of superheroes we follow have them way more experienced and wise than him. The reason Mark gets his ass beaten is because, he’s still learning. It also has to do with the show literally being a twist on the “Hero finds out he has powers, finds love interest, bad guy threaten her and get defeated” trope lots of superhero story follow. He is the hero. But he takes the beating in order to BECOME the hero.
Imagine having a few months to train before you box a 1000 year old warrior whos also your dad...THATS TOUGH
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@@lt1940face reveal?
True, when invincible started to be a hero, it was like a few days of getting them, and the whole point of the show is to see Mark's journey of learning about being a hero
Invincible does become really really strong. Like most good superheroes he’s holding back cause he’s scared to kill. The one time he doesn’t hold back and listens to his dad he starts beating ass.
Same thing with Spider-Man. When he doesn’t hold back the dude can stop a punch from the hulk. It’s every hero’s weakness. If Batman didn’t hold back man would be an unstoppable force and Arkham Asylum wouldn’t have a breakout every 3 months
To be fair on Batman, Gotham's Justice System really becomes questionable when you realize that they don't give all these mass-killing psychopaths the death sentence, but that is what I think.
Not to mention the corruption that they have in slapping the criminals in Arkham Asylum like giving them mental treatment is gonna help the fucking Joker.
Some states don't have the death penalty
In gotham its canon u could dodge the death penalty through claiming insanity its however i would rather die then go in arkham asylum
@@captaindiabetes4004 Moving aside all the alternate timelines and universes, I don't believe "Claiming Insanity" would allow them to constantly evade the death penalty over and over. Then again, I really only have surface-level understanding of the justice system that is outside of comics and stuff. But still, it is sort of ridiculous.
(Fair, going into Arkham Asylum is like having an early trip to hell with all the nutjobs that are in it.)
Who's going to be buying merchandise of the Joker if he ain't alive no more, ever think about that?😅
Tom doesnt kill Jerry on purpose because if he did, his owners wouldnt need him anymore. Tom isnt a fraud, hes just smarter 😤
I think they are actually friends and Jerry is in on it.
Plus it confirmed Jerry is his buddy
They're actually many instances where tom catches jerry but didn't outright kill him, sometimes he just let him go after he catch him
Remember the Detective episodes where Tom and Jerry solve a mystery together
Are they cannon tho
Greg heffley is an actual sociopath and the reason Rowley is his friend is because he's actually a good person
Greg Heffley is dangerous to society.
Nah Greg is just a middle schooler
@@purkle200 that doesn't matter he's still a sociopath
@EpicGhostShadow Nah lol 😆 he's just your typical selfish and self-centered middle school kid that most were or have encountered growing up. He's far from being a sociopath. The meme makes no sense and quite dumb since it's not even true in the slightest. He's a jerk plain and simple, not even that deep.
My biggest point towards him not being a sociopath is that when he accidentally gets a sweater instead of a video game for Christmas that was supposed to go to a person who was either homeless, poor or less well of person because of a mix up he states that while he is disappointed he felt even worse for that person.
Tom has actually beaten Jerry several times throughout the years, one time by literally just holding a gun to Jerry's head. Wile E Coyote is a better example, who has only caught the Roadrunner in a commercial in a timeline in which ACME doesn't exist as a company.
Atleast Tom and Jerry display their feets....when u debate it then makes sense
And the Family Guy cutaway, can’t forget that
Also watchu mean “display their feets”??
@@CornbreadDestroyer i m replying on Tom and Jerry not Family Guy...forgive your misunderstanding
You can "kill " the villains..but in comic fashion you eventually have to bring them back
Lazarus pit 😒
Archie sonic's eggman
And in Gotham, ONLY villains come back
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Jason Todd?
@@hembi1274 he tried to usurp the criminal underbelly instead of crush it
4:08 That tiger dude is Battle Beast, the same dude who gave Thragg (an insanely powerful viltrumite) big trouble and would molest Omni-Man in an encounter. Marks loss there is fair
Bro saying that he got jumped by him, but glazing pass the fact that **everyone** got jumped by him
he was dissing on invicble when the whole point of the first season was him learning and getting stronger so he can become op later on
Ya
exactly
@@twistedair4045 comic did that better while showing how Viltrumite blood makes him superior to most people already and how him actually losing makes sense due to one being cosmic threat or just plain overwhelming ambush.
To let you know, Tommy, the Penguin is a crime lord. He does villainous acts for money and has goons that do the same. In Arkham Knight he deals weapons to a militia. In Arkham City he's in a war for land with The Joker. So yeah, just a bad guy in general who would do anything for his own benefit, even harm other people.
To be fair, Batman is not only as insane as all the other villians, and even if he killed those villians they would just come back. They literally got a pond under the city that can bring people back to life. Tom also fakes like he's gonna kill Jerry so that he isn't replaced by his owner so the new cat won't actually kill Jerry, and Dexter's inventions and plans work until Deedee gets involved.
That pond is only there in the Arkham series. Plus only a few people know of it.
@@cthulhupolar60 lazarus pit is in the comics as well
but if Tom fails to catch Jerry won't they still replace him bcz they feel he is incompetent?
Statistically, you only see bad people get dipped in the Lazarus Pit in Gotham
@theamazingspooderman2697 Well, he does catch Jerry alot, but Jerry always got a plan.
A good thing with Yuuji from JJK is that, while he gets folded a lot, hes not a fraud because,
1).He still folds some of the people he fights.
2).Nobody acts like hes the strongest ever, hes just a relatively standard high grade sorcerer.
Yuji is just being Yuji and its good to see people give him his props.
❤️ Put your stocks in our boy he's got this.
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3:he's no chosen one/child of prophecy,just a random kid who got dragged into this whole mess
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eh when we learn about his backstory it's a bit more than that
His loss ratio outweighs
Broooo please, you gotta talk about Plankton next 😂😂😂
Matter of fact I got a list of characters
Check it out:
The war hammer titan from attack on titans (also maybe Reiner too)
Zoidberg from futurama
Carl Winslow from family matters
Ngl Bob from bob’s burgers is kinda on my list too cuz he’s always mad broke and is always taking L’s
Brian from family guy (he used to be somewhat charming, now he SUCKS)
Bojack horseman
Timmy turner
Low key Angelica from rugrats
Jimmy neutron
Lumpy space princess
Swiper from Dora the explorer
Idk
Make this list part two ❤
Let's make this top comment
lets just not talk about all the superheroes like doctor strange and flash
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The penguin nowadays isn’t really a super villain but more of a criminal businessman that runs certain underworld business and establishments that gives him huge sways with many gangs and organizations in gotham.🐱
Batman once stopped him thing got worst because of the power vacuum
Penguin actually care for Gotham
He's just a more evil Al Capone.
Calling invincible a fraud because of what you seen in the show is like calling lebron trash for losing a few basketball games in the 3rd grade
I can't make this shit up, People that see Mark at the show thinks he's the most weak ass character ever, Wait until Season 2 Final Episode comes in.
@bl1ghted782 tbf if you go JUST from the show, battle beast seems like some random merc
@bl1ghted782can't forget that Omni Man is 1000+ years older than Mark and he thought Mark would win??LOL💀
To be fair Lebron isn't trash because he sucks at Basketball. He's trash because of his braindead political takes and hypocritical stance on China and Disney
@@lolstalgic9602that makes no sense
1:15 Batman is mentally ill. It’s been touched on a few times but for the most part his “code” is just a cover up for his inability to take a life due to severe trauma and potential insanity.
It’s also due to his parents death that made him not want to kill as well
Well no because there's other superheroes that don't kill either are they mentally ill?
Batman only doesn't kill because he values life and believes that everyone can change
@@yannerszamn yeah but his parents also affected the way he saw death so that’s another reason but yeah it’s also just his code not to kill
@@XOXSTEAL yes, the trauma from that is what I was referring to.
4:18 to be fair that lion dude could fold Omni man like a lawn chair since he’s one of the strongest dudes, so it’s no wonder invincible got disrespected like that
Mark’s hero name is Invincible not because his body is, but because his spirit is. Bro’s will is unbreakable on some Adamantium shit.
We appreciate your insights. You'll always have our support.
3:46 keep in mind this is before mark’s power started to actually come in (I think)
Yeah bro did NOT watch the show
I have not watched the show either but I've watched videos by those who are following the show and just from that alone, I was able to gather that yes, Mark does lose a lot fights and gets brutally beaten so badly, he probably shouldn't be able to walk away from it. But taking into account Mark is still very young... I mean, he's only in college, right? And at the beginning of S1, he was in high school? So, not only is ye very young, he's also going up against opponents who are far stronger and more experienced than him, and he couldn't even beat Omni Man because unlike Mark who grew up on Earth, Omni Man grew up on his own home world where things are completely different. Of course, Mark is punch above his capabilities whenever he goes up against stronger, more experienced opponents.
9:19 isnt it like canon that Tom and Jerry are actual Friends and Tom just pretends to his owner to catch him so he can stay in the house and Jerry stays because Tom is just fooling around catching him ?
I remember hearing in a video about Owlman that Batman holds literal life in such high regard that he won’t take it
Owlman is literally just the superior Batman. Its even in the name: Owls eat bats.
@@ProjektTakuyet he never beating Bruce 😂
Fraudulent characters can provide some of the greatest character arcs, so I think they can be a good thing in media.
Fraudulent just means not perfect. And any good character shouldn't be perfect.
1:40 Actually, 1939 batman killed villains. It was not until the mid 50s and 60 during the red scare they censored batmans killing and started the whole no kill policy
What a good way to end my extremely rainy day at work with a new TommyNFG video. 😊
1:12 it's less of a moral code and more just severe childhood trauma that makes him associate all killings with the death of his parents, and some nightmare scenes have shown that his greatest fear is becoming the man who killed his parents, which he interprets in his broken brain as anybody who's a killer being his parent's killer, so if he kills then he's basically his parent's killer. Flawed logic but the man's form of therapy is putting cosplayers in comas for turning the water supply into tapioca pudding, so he's never really been rational about things
I think Batman values life more than anything… depends on the version you see
i think Superman values life more than Batman does
superman killed doomsday@@yarc9
@@srinivasanbalaji4867 doomsday want to kill him
@@srinivasanbalaji4867 he became the king of the hell
@@yarc9superman doesn't have as strict of a no killing rule as batman. Batman has a no killing rule while Superman simply chooses to not do it. Meaning If it'll be easier and safer for everyone then superman will kill while Batman will only kill as a last reort
I like to think that Batman doesn't kill in order to mainly separate himself from the criminals he fights, also so he can make them suffer broken bones instead of not experiencing any long-term pain due to death. Batman doesn't kill because he'd be just like the criminals who killed his parents. "If you kill a killer, the amount of killers in the world stay the same."
And when has killing the villains ever solved anything? This is comics, death is just an extended vacation. They'll be back eventually.
Just kill 2 killers the amount decreases.
But in all seriousness batman has been shown in the animated tv show, helping villains reform and be well adjusted in society, but it's just that some batman writers forget that part of his character
@@sparkls4492 But not all enemies are like that? Would you rather Batman kill a low-life regular thug instead of letting him regret and suffer for his crimes?
Except that doesn’t account for reality when people do kill in self defense or to or others and never became “worse” or the same as the criminals
I'm relieving myself from this debate, I really just don't wish to deal with it.
the reason why it happened in season 1 is bc he is inexperienced, and its meant to show that, also the reason why he got folded by the bully is bc HE DIDNT HAVE HIS SUPERPOWERS!!! Like did you even watch this ? Basically even though he is literally invincible experience is key, without it your gonna get folded which happens to him
Yeah, I don't know why people think having a Superpower means you already mastered it like holy shit, That's why Invincible feels more human than most Superhero shows.
Plus battle beast literally 1v1'd the most powerful vitrumite of the universe and nearly won against him.
2:02 he uses explosives and shoots people with his umbrella, that’s all I know
I think he’s also a mafia boss
@@thatoneguy3503 oh yeah forgot about that
Wait, Tommy Battle Beast is LITERALLY a different breed he can really fold anyone in the universe.
There were a few episodes where Tom does catch Jerry, just not for long because he either gets saved by Spike, or stolen by Butch. At least, that's usually how it goes
Batman's refusal to kill comes from an incredibly strict principle. He witnessed his parents get gunned down and while that is the surface of his refusal to kill and use guns since (I remember watching the animated film Batman: Under the Red Hood, one of the lines in the final fight was I think Jason asking why Joker was still alive. Batman said it would be too easy, meaning that if he ever killed, he wouldn't be able to go back or stop. Batman's restraint from killing when all points to a villain's permanent end making everything easier is truly admirable. Also, a character/superhero doesn't need to kill to be a truly terrifying and formidable foe. As a writer, it's far more terrifying when you create a character who is not only principled but knows they could take a life and it is only by their mercy that a villain continues to live.
admirable? yeah, tell that to the children in the hospital the joker blew up for the 546th time
@@winternightst7001 That's not his fault tell the cops or the government to kill Joker.
@@winternightst7001 Hence why I say it is admirable his restraint. Anyone else might give in and actually kill the Joker...provided he stay dead. We go back to principle here. If Batman crosses that line, he runs the risk of becoming as reckless and murderous as the villains he fights which I think is also a good point in Batman's entire arc. Joker represents complete insanity and the extremes a person without morals will go to, a person who does not value life. Joker is the direct contrast to Batman and his morals and a reminder of what he could potentially become if he decided to start killing villains and making them suffer through every horrible ordeal they put innocent people through. We know Batman's not a perfectly sane character which is why, as frustrating as it is that Joker still lives despite his thousands of insane atrocities, it's crazy that Batman still shows restraint. It indicates that as horrible as the villains may be, Batman knows what he is capable of, and what he can become if he ever crossed that line.
@@winternightst7001death sentence bro. its not batmans fault, its the fault of whoever thought to keep joker alive all this time
just look at the injustice universe. as flawed as it is, you gotta admit that it portrays how correct batmans idealogy is with superman being nutso
Ngl for Batman I’m fine with him not killing, that’s fine and respectable. It’s just the fact that bro basically tries to enforce his no killing in Gotham, like you try and come through and kill Gotham villains Batman’s gonna come after you like your one of them. Like spiderman also doesn’t kill but atleast he doesn’t chase down every hero in New York any time they kill anyone.
nah spider man kills he just doesn't do it that much (in the comics)
Tbh a hero who DOES kill wouldn’t fix Gotham either (that town is cursed in some universes)
@@ahmedjoycesneakattacksquad5003 Spider-Man's no kill rule is just as bad as Batman's so is Superman's
wait doesn't superman also kill tho?@@callmejacob3234
I mean it's not like this dude is defending the Joker in court, he should've been got the death penalty already. People say Batman's a fraud but forget that the police *who get paid to catch these guys* fail and then after the justice system fails to do it's one job (enacting justice) the murderers and criminals just break out again.
It’s always good when Tommy uploads. (RIP afro, you will be missed)
I mean for Batman, the authorities just have to give the death sentence and we have no more problems.
To be fair to Invincible, when he was struggling with the reanimen, it’s because they were extremely strong and he wasn’t too experienced at the time, and they even managed to keep Omni-Man occupied for some time. When he lost to his father, his father was one of the greatest and strongest Viltrumite Soldiers of the empire, with thousands of years of fighting experience. And when he lost to Battle Beast, he is canonically possibly the strongest being in the universe, who fought the strongest Viltrumite while he had his own guts falling out from the start, and almost killed him in a fight that lasted for days. Also he’s new at being a hero so he’s still learning how to fight and he gets stronger with age, so his powers are basically a watered down version of what they are going to be in the future. 🤓
Batman not killing villains is the reason I don't consider him a good superhero anymore. At least Metropolis and Central City have a low crime rate. At least Spiderman will go out of his way to beat the ever loving shit out of Kingpin before threatening to kill him in Jail (Also, he's broken his code many times when it was necessary). Even Goku of all people will kill his opponents if necessary.
Tommy just doesn't understand the lore of these characters, its part of their character
Exactly
So?
@dylhansime9582 so why isn't Spiderman a fraud he doesn't kill his villains either and he has no good excuse for it
@@redninja3056 he’d be as bad as the man who killed his uncle, girlfriend and I believe at some point his aunt
@@mrukman2006 Damn so like, fuck Martha and Thomas then?
The thing about Batman not killing is that if he actually does do the deed, then he won’t be able to stop himself and one day he might kill innocent people because “it’s justice.” He’s afraid of becoming the same kind of monster that killed his parents.
This isn’t injustice universe, tons of people have killed to save their lives in reality and went through ten times worse than what Batman ever did and none of these people ever became crazy mass murderers
That's really his problem. And apart from that he tries to stop OTHERS from doing what is necessary
@@kyledeguzman165Except this isn't injustice he's referring to. The mainline Batman has said this before.
so according to the lore and to keep it short, tom and jerry are actually friends but tom pretends to catch him so his owner doesnt replace him with a cat who will kill jerry
Honestly I respect your opinion on invincible, personally I don't think he's a fraud and is just a teenager who got powers and is trying to take on a little much at once but I can see where you're coming from.
One of the worst tropes in writing is the “I don’t kill my villains” one. Seriously, when mark fought the gilt Viltrumites why did he hesitate to kill one? I am so glad that adult mark is different
Hold up, what the fuck was that military clip at 7:29?
They are checking for testicular cancer
@@MrMcChickenMan. Checking*
You do realize Tom has tried to kill Jerry MULTIPLE TIMES, so comparing him to Batman is 100% unfair.
People might see it as hypocritical when a character called Invincible gets dogged on so much but that isn't really the point.
He's been beaten to an inch of his life, bones broken and shed a lot of blood. And the show hasn't even got into the crazy stuff yet. The beatdown his dad gave him is nothing compared to what happens to him in the comics.
But after all that, he still holds true to his beliefs despite everything the world threw at him, his body has been broken dozens of his times. His spirit and morality never did.
In that aspect he's truly Invincible.
8:00 That’s not true on rare occasions Tom has some W’s
Bro every time Batman kills someone he becomes a psycho 😭. It’s probably better for Gotham that the villains stay alive because every time Batman kills one of them shi gets wild
The lion dude in invincible is like the second strongest being in the universe sooo.
The real reason is 1:48 that Batman doesn’t kill because he know he’ll never stop killing
Dude, in Gotham City, it's not even just Batman. u got to worry about it's the amount of other psychopathic criminals out there that could get u before you even commit a crime in the first place😂
MY EYE BURN 2:49
Good video by mark is like going through the hero's journey he is learning.
7:20
"even hornineness gets to the genius of man"
stephen hawking:🧑🏿🦽💨💀💀💀💀
The fact Spider-Man has been attempting to kill about 3 different villains before Batman killed joker
CW Flash: My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive...when the plot needs me to be. I am The Fraud
At least in Arkham, Batman won’t kill you, he’ll just break every part of your body that isn’t completely necessary for survival
4:30 THAT’S WHY HE’S THE GOAT! THE GOAT!
Y’all ain’t ready for the absolute beatings Mark is gonna endure before he actually becomes strong.
1:08. Alive? Yes
Up on your feet? Not sure about that
8:06 he dose not catch him cause they are friends so he pretends to catch him to not get thrown out
“Honey wake up tommynfg uploaded”
The problem with Batman is that he’ll kill random crooks and henchmen.
this is truly the most tommynfg video
Oh man. I totally agree with you on Batman. Gothem is a train wreck because Batman hasn’t killed a single one of those dangerous people
Greg is down bad as hell
For Part 2 maybe included Dr. Neo Cortex,Eggman, or Plankton. I know there villians but still.
Batman been a fraud like Gotham has been through hell and back
Batman killing his villains would be like a firefighter killing an arsonist. Like, bro him killing ain’t the job he signed up for
Exactly. In my opinion, people overanalyze it. You don't have to agree with a certain character and his believes to like him. You might've done something different, sure. There are multiple reasons why Batman doesn't kill, ranging from psychological to moral, it's been deeply explored in DC comics and other DC media.
If he ain't gonna 'Finish the job', then why become a vigilante.
Fuck on outta here, with your Logic.
If you ain't gonna do what needs to be done, then don't dare to spend billions of money on gadgets, costumes, child labor and shit and letting innocent people die cuz you got "StanDArDS".
This is why i love the SWAT Kats. They absolutely acknowledge the fact their villains have a high body count and commited too many crimes. They never hesitated to kill their villains
Ben 10 as well. He hasn't actually killed anyone (not from what i remember) but he absolutely will if necessary
Mihawk not being here is a crime to society.
from one piece
I swear to god bro, star wars loves making fraudulent villains. I can name like 5 rn.
3:27 nah bro invincible is about him growing and becoming a superhero. It would be hella boring in every superhero movie/show the main character was OP and had no struggles. You especially can’t complain when he lost to his dad who’s a full viltrumite that has had thousands of years of fighting experience
Tell that his fathers victims.
Penguin uses exotic birds to steal things.
Not to mention that there is a spin off book series of doawk where Rowley has his own journal and Greg acts
More cynical and claiming that he Stole his idea.
I’ve always hated that Batman didn’t kill at least the worst ones.🙄
The reason invincible is losing most of the time is because he’s fighting people who are stronger and more capable than him like in season 2 when he and Omni man were fighting the other viltrumites Omni man was on their skill level if not higher but invincible is basically a novice so he had a much harder time fighting the viltrumites. But hey that’s just a theory a viltrumite theory
Meanwhile John Wick, The Punisher and Rambo and Alex Mercer and Spawn: You Guys Don't Know How To Kill?
Arkham Batman causally beating the living hell out of people and giving them brain damage💀
Batman actually used to kill during Golden Age or before Comicbook Code was created he even use guns during that time
Don’t talk bout me like that (I’m Batman in a deep voice)
God bless you and thank you for calling out the biggest fraud of all time first. I used to like Batman as a kid, but his fans are the core of this trash ass character.
Mark still be gettin bodied in the comics lmao just wait until the finale of this season 😂
That’s why I love flashpoint Batman . Because he kills all his villains
Batman will never not get enough shade thrown at him. Also penguin is a leader of a crime syndicate
Especially since he isn't the only superhero that doesn't kill literally Spiderman doesn't kill but everyone is fine with him
spider man does kill
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@@redninja3056every hero that doesn't kill has this issue. We all know why they can't die, because they sell. Batman is the only one that goes meta about it and gives a in universe reason for it.
@@redninja3056 For real it's hypocritical as hell Superman is worse than both he literally lets Darkseid live
Superman doesn't have a no kill rule lol he's just a goody two shoes who'll only kill you after he's exhausted all options kinda the same thing kinda but not really @@callmejacob3234
If Batman doesn't want to kill he can just cripple all of his villains
4:35 we all know big nate is a better hero than the fraud known as greg heffley
You know the goat too?
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH of course, I read the books too
@@Rinne_Z_rank a fellow man of culture. I salute you🫡
I feel like the vilians irl would die of the death sentence after they were turned in by the batman.
Kinda shocked Sukuna ain't on here
A character from a world where sorcerers are considered con artists? Not sure why he would be here.
Sukuna is folding everybody how is he a fraud
@@ΚρανίΩ plot bends over backwards for him he literally is just a bitch with plot
@@AstroThePanda 🫥
Unless they run into Red Hood. Then it's lights out expeditiously.
Bro missed the irony of “Invincible” being hospitalized every other episode.
That’s… Literally on purpose
Just wait till Jason catches you, outside of his limbo state in comics. He gonna take you out
4:00 sukuna during mahoraga fight: pathetic
Bro he invincible didnt even develop his powers until later on thats why that bully was wiping him 😭
"Tiger dude" is crazy😂😂that segment won't age well, Tommy
First off: thank you. I always knew there was always something wrong with Batman's "No kill" policy. The only reason more people are taking notice is because of a certain series called My Hero Academia.
To those who don't know, the entire society of MHA uses Batman's "no kill" policy, but since it's on a larger scale, people can almost immediately see everything wrong with it.
The main problem being: the heroes create the villains. The reasons might be different but the end result is the same. In MHA, the heroes get paid for every villain they capture, so they make the villains. There's no consequence of death since they got rid of the death penalty, so it feels as though villainous acts are encouraged.
Think about it, if you wanted to be a villain and do whatever you wanted with your quirk, you could do so knowing that you won't get executed, no matter how many people you slaughter. And when you get caught, you know it's only a matter of time before someone on the outside plans a prison break, which did happen in the series.
Batman does it for his moral code, but every time the Joker or someone else escapes, that's about a dozen people straight up dead. That's another person's life completely snuffed out. That's possibly even another parent/parents who won't make it back home, and that leaves another child to feel the same way as Bruce.
There's no such thing as perfection. Intent is but one of the few things that separates the rational man from the irrational.
I hate the doesn’t kill u heroes
That’s why i always support the villain 😤
The more I grow older and colder the more I despise Batman 😂
It’s not Batman’s fault that Gotham doesn’t have the death penalty.
The Guy from Spy Kids 3. Bro walked in saying “I’m him” and got folded 2 seconds after his first appearance.
Here to stop little kids from saying first
>:(
frotting with you rn
Here to say first out of spite
Your not the hero
First