Thanks for all the nice comments! I rushed over the trading section a bit. Here's a better breakdown: Setting up and maintaining a crate empire means: - leveling your trade level (the higher the better), which means pouring money into trash crate production - getting +3 workers -> massive time and energy sink. As someone pointed out in the comments, +3 workers are not mandatory for casual trading. Though they mean significant production increases / CP savings. - supplying workshops with crate materials -> keep on processing - managing the crate transport -> NPC transport can handle this if you trade on a small scale - turning in the crates -> Keep in mind that the time invested into these activities could be spent elsewhere to possibly make more money How much can you make from trading? You can use gpw's sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19ci1AIVa-4wX6n2uTDdqjJqZsVKPeovz1mbqC_-zAWQ/edit Trading is for you if you... - Process a lot and have a fairly progressed account - Can't rely on the marketplace to liquidate materials, for example because you don't run a Value Pack - Simply enjoy running a crate empire :) Trading is not optimal if... - You only process casually or not at all - Locking up silver for weeks/months is undesirable
Awesome guide mate! Here's one more explanation of why some Ingots and Pure Crystals are expensively out of stock atm. With the Free Tier 9 horse given out, most players are prompted to try out the Tier 10 horses where a censer is needed to be crafted for each attempt which requires either 100 Pure Tin + Copper + Platinum Crystals(or Blue Grade Accessories) making these Crystals, Metal Solvents, Ingots, even Platinum Ores very valuable. It also explains why Carrot Confit and Cinnamon have good values from your previous video. Because there's a crossroad weekly quest where you can exchange 650 Carrot Confits for 2 Mythical Feathers (Tier 10 Mat) which means you'll need 2600 Cinnamons per week. There's no better time than these days to make good profits simply by processing as a horse mat vendor.😂
Profits for sturdy plywood seme off the chart on this site, but idk if it is not estimating the plywood hardener cost to buy from market? Not sure how to make sure.
Love these guides! A question though, since I don't have a max level worker yet. If I pick the Destination for a worker to store the resources, do they need to walk to the destination, or does it not affect the time at all?
Perfect timing on the guide, thanks a lot Summer! My storages are full of processing stuff and based on bdolytics it always felt a bit wack to spend time on it right now for moneymaking purposes. I never really did something with them but didn't want to sell them because I wanted to process them for EXP at least. Instead of selling the materials on the market I tried to find a way to turn them into x through workshops but it seems most workshops are just not worth the effort anymore compared to 3+ years ago.
Same! Been collecting from nodes since I started playing the game and had no idea what to do with my processing materials! Just been sitting on billions 🤑
When would it make sense to run a treant acc set over tri manos acc? I am sitting at 1490 atm two processing mastery artifacts, clank clank, tri manos clothes, venecil dress, weight is 2496, though getting crystals. I see that you say mastery wont do you much if you don't have weight but,
@@summer_rains Thanks. I lose a lot of mastery, so not going to do that for a while I guess. We are talking like an extra 10 min at most. Maybe after I get up into guru and really need that time.
Few missing tricks, having lightstone combo for processing (Clang! Clang!) really ideal since it increase the % chance and extra mastery, also dont forget to put full weight crystal combo that quite cheap at this point that can neat you easy 400 lt.
Also, you have to waste a lot of time prepping the transfer of your crates (i.e: overstacking horse with the crates) and you could use that time to get better money elsewhere like grinding.
You can never compare one activities to another, there always pro and cons, grinding have to be active all the time, possible dealing with other players and still consume resources like drop scroll or agris. Where crate trading or just processing profit, you can AFK half the time making it ideal for people to multitask doing other stuff (movie binge etc), even travel time you can just AFK all the way there. Is not for everyone, but it still viable option for people just get sick of grinding.
@@HolyXerxes dude, did you not get that the preparation is active?! 1. travelling to get the crates your workers have been doing 2. stacking horse with the crates 3. travelling with the crates and watching out for bandits or pvp
does taking Clothes required some mastery level ? , like im prof.5 alrd on processing with Mastery of 300, should i buy the TET Carta or I'll go for Logia 1st?
it depends on your budget. Loggia clothes are a good starting point and very cost-efficient. TET Carta are super cheap on the market but so contested that you'd probably have to enhance them yourself (~1.5b on average)
Yeah grind 1h for more silver from your drops, but processing is a good passive income too if you run your workers which will technically boost your silver/h
Insert "How dare you reveal the market secrets!'" here :P. Jokes aside I'm really glad you're helping new players figure out the life skilling side of the game c:.
I disagree with requiring +3 packing as a mandatory skill for trade crates. Yes it's better to have +3 packing but most people aren't going to be hardcore trading enough to manually transport their crates to Nampo. So people who trade casually can slowly send their crates to Nampo for a lot of easy money. If you don't need the money immediately it seems better to just trade them even if it's for slightly more silver than if you sold to the market. I am surprised you didn't cover cooking in this portion of your processing guide. Specifically cron meals (And draughts for alchemy). If you already own Balenos Meals, Savory Steaks and Sute Teas from cooking and process them into Seafood Cron Meals to use for yourself, you can make 600m/hr from processing them. Yes BDOLYTICS says it doesn't give any processing EXP but I believe it gives cooking EXP as it's processed through simple cooking (although I might be mistaken as I haven't extensively tested this).
True, I might have overprioritized +3 workers a bit. They used to be much more important on the high CP Grana Workshops and back when margins were smaller. Valencia is much more lenient. If we're talking Cron meals, that's market cooking. Cooking Balenos meals requires extremely high mastery and it's not something I'd just throw out there as an option without also going into the profit calculation side. The video is supposed to cover avenues for using up raw processing materials and bringing a whole discussion about Cron meal profit is way too deep for such a video in my opinion.
@@summer_rains That's fair. There's a lot of very profitable things you can do via processing that doesn't come from raw worker mats like Concentrated Magical Black Gems, Krogalo's Origin Stones, Draughts and the mentioned Cron meals but maybe that's deserving of a separate video. And yes +3 packing is much more important in cities that don't have enough workshops to produce enough crates to send on a daily basis. I like to view +3 packing less of how many crates/day my workers can make but more in terms of how much CP they save me by having them or as a way to multiply the number of factories in a city. It's functionally the same thing but I feel like viewing it as multiplying the amount of factories in a city instead of how many crates/day can be made better shows when and where +3 packing is important.
I ve been selling my materials raw up until now. So as someone who is now getting into processing how would you say should I go about leveling to master 2 efficiently? Lovely video thank you❤
A tip for mass transfering, if you have magnus storage and are transfering from main city to main city you can swap alts in thr main cities, move the items into the CM, then switch to the processing location and move them out of CM, this can save a LOT of time especially if you have a ton to xfer, even more if you have the CM weight buff active (think its book of moon)
Hi, the average number of products per craft is the same for regular and mass processing, though mass processing will let you go through materials faster
@@vintz5617 the crate mats price increase got largely made up for by the higher distance bonus from val-nampo. Trading is definitely something to consider, much more so than 1-2 years ago
Clarity +++.greetings from Perfecto...still we cant up G50 in game....00:00 thanks for video....I like this Treants Tear..first time saw it.:) at process. at G50, its not more is afk- :)...
One thing, you are looking at that site and the "profit" but it's not profit when you are supplying your own materials, it's "Value added". So you can't just go based on the number under profit, nor can you just go by the profit when considering multiple steps (planks or plywood). If you aren't buying materials then each step adds more value (usually), now if it's worth it for the time to do that processing that is another thing. But you can't just go blindly off the profit stat.
I don't see the disambiguation between 'profit' and 'value added' with respect to deciding whether processing is a worthwhile use of time. Can you elaborate? Could you maybe give a concrete situation where looking at the profit would mislead someone?
@@summer_rains Sure, when considering if it's worthwhile use of time there isn't much difference. It's not a huge difference but a difference none the less when looking at it. If the base item is flooded on the market and min-listed, you are unlikely to be able to sell it so the cost of just selling it is not being shown in your "profit" but you may not be able to sell it at that price. Fake example: But say Iron Ore was min listed with 10 million ore, but Iron Ingots were not. The 1200 silver per iron ore really should be set to 0 imo when looking at profit per hour, because you likely can't get the 1200 if it never sells. So if you don't process it you likely get 0 silver, if you do process it then you get the full value of the ingots. So looking at just the profit on that site isn't exactly accurate. It's value added, but in this case the base price is actually added too because you never could have sold it at base. I'm not saying it's a huge difference, but something you need to consider based on situation. Sometimes going by a strict "per hour" rate is not the best either. There are items that pay better right now on a per-hour rate but actually take 10x longer to sell, versus certain items I'm selling that have max-priced pre-orders up. So I might be making less per hour but I'm not waiting possibly a week or more to sell all of it, with constantly needing to adjust the listing when I get undercut. There are some items I'm selling that are instantly sold as soon as I post them. And there is a certain item I made, that while highly profitable, is taking two weeks now and only half have sold.
@@Jaradis I agree. This seems to be more of a naming issue. Whether you'd call it added value or profit with respect to the item's value (be that 0 or vendor sale price or market sale price), same thing. In any case, simply looking at the profit on bdolytics doesn't tell the whole story and there are other factors such as sale volume to be taken into consideration.
Thanks for all the nice comments!
I rushed over the trading section a bit. Here's a better breakdown:
Setting up and maintaining a crate empire means:
- leveling your trade level (the higher the better), which means pouring money into trash crate production
- getting +3 workers -> massive time and energy sink. As someone pointed out in the comments, +3 workers are not mandatory for casual trading. Though they mean significant production increases / CP savings.
- supplying workshops with crate materials -> keep on processing
- managing the crate transport -> NPC transport can handle this if you trade on a small scale
- turning in the crates
-> Keep in mind that the time invested into these activities could be spent elsewhere to possibly make more money
How much can you make from trading?
You can use gpw's sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19ci1AIVa-4wX6n2uTDdqjJqZsVKPeovz1mbqC_-zAWQ/edit
Trading is for you if you...
- Process a lot and have a fairly progressed account
- Can't rely on the marketplace to liquidate materials, for example because you don't run a Value Pack
- Simply enjoy running a crate empire :)
Trading is not optimal if...
- You only process casually or not at all
- Locking up silver for weeks/months is undesirable
That "snap back to reality" moment with the T8 horse hit really hard, lol
That intro was an 11/10, goddamn. Banging video as always.
this was very helpful for me because you pointed what I was missing while using BDOlytics and what to do with all those gemstones in my warehouse.
that intro, actually made me laugh hard
I was like, what's soo funny about that?! Then 2 seconds later. Hahahha
After that intro joke I immediately subscribed and liked the video😂
Awesome guide mate!
Here's one more explanation of why some Ingots and Pure Crystals are expensively out of stock atm.
With the Free Tier 9 horse given out, most players are prompted to try out the Tier 10 horses where a censer is needed to be crafted for each attempt which requires either 100 Pure Tin + Copper + Platinum Crystals(or Blue Grade Accessories) making these Crystals, Metal Solvents, Ingots, even Platinum Ores very valuable.
It also explains why Carrot Confit and Cinnamon have good values from your previous video. Because there's a crossroad weekly quest where you can exchange 650 Carrot Confits for 2 Mythical Feathers (Tier 10 Mat) which means you'll need 2600 Cinnamons per week.
There's no better time than these days to make good profits simply by processing as a horse mat vendor.😂
the horse joke made me laugh so hard xD ty!
Everything that workers can do hurts my brain but it’s so worth getting into
very well details, big Thanks 🔥❤
Profits for sturdy plywood seme off the chart on this site, but idk if it is not estimating the plywood hardener cost to buy from market? Not sure how to make sure.
nice video! thanks for sharing. i would love to see your node setup. could go hand in hand with this guide :)
My node setup is kinda outdated right now honestly, I'll be doing a makeover video soontm
Gemstones considered ore? So I should wait will master 1 to process stuff like the opals?
hi, gemstones actually only need artisan 1
Love these guides! A question though, since I don't have a max level worker yet. If I pick the Destination for a worker to store the resources, do they need to walk to the destination, or does it not affect the time at all?
as far as I know it happens instantly without any travel time
Perfect timing on the guide, thanks a lot Summer!
My storages are full of processing stuff and based on bdolytics it always felt a bit wack to spend time on it right now for moneymaking purposes. I never really did something with them but didn't want to sell them because I wanted to process them for EXP at least.
Instead of selling the materials on the market I tried to find a way to turn them into x through workshops but it seems most workshops are just not worth the effort anymore compared to 3+ years ago.
yeah workshops are mostly outdated content
Same! Been collecting from nodes since I started playing the game and had no idea what to do with my processing materials! Just been sitting on billions 🤑
Hahahaha that intro! Well done!
nice intro summer
Omg the horse. Hilarious 😂
Pen Lunar and Guru 37 Alchemy but only tier8 Horse.... Dude you slacking!
t9 is on another char lol
When would it make sense to run a treant acc set over tri manos acc? I am sitting at 1490 atm two processing mastery artifacts, clank clank, tri manos clothes, venecil dress, weight is 2496, though getting crystals. I see that you say mastery wont do you much if you don't have weight but,
If you often come back to your character being overweight and idling, you can go for more weight instead of mastery.
@@summer_rains Thanks. I lose a lot of mastery, so not going to do that for a while I guess. We are talking like an extra 10 min at most. Maybe after I get up into guru and really need that time.
Hey do you have a processing leveling guide? I am barely playing the game anymore so I dont mind processing in the background
Vid 2 in the series is about leveling to master. I'm also working on a guide on leveling beyond that, coming soontm
@@summer_rainsgotcha, thank you!
28 seconds in, subscribed lmao.
Few missing tricks, having lightstone combo for processing (Clang! Clang!) really ideal since it increase the % chance and extra mastery, also dont forget to put full weight crystal combo that quite cheap at this point that can neat you easy 400 lt.
That's mentioned in the video 2:16
how about using storage transport method for trading?does it worth?
It's the only viable method to do trading
Also, you have to waste a lot of time prepping the transfer of your crates (i.e: overstacking horse with the crates) and you could use that time to get better money elsewhere like grinding.
Yeah for sure
You can never compare one activities to another, there always pro and cons, grinding have to be active all the time, possible dealing with other players and still consume resources like drop scroll or agris.
Where crate trading or just processing profit, you can AFK half the time making it ideal for people to multitask doing other stuff (movie binge etc), even travel time you can just AFK all the way there.
Is not for everyone, but it still viable option for people just get sick of grinding.
@@HolyXerxes dude, did you not get that the preparation is active?!
1. travelling to get the crates your workers have been doing
2. stacking horse with the crates
3. travelling with the crates and watching out for bandits or pvp
do i need to connect nodes for crates for LoML to any city?
Yes, you'll need to connect nodes to benefit from the distance bonus
u can connect them only when selling time.
@@summer_rains planning to do trading for the 1st time
How do you get so much mats?
Many months of workers bringing in materials
does taking Clothes required some mastery level ? , like im prof.5 alrd on processing with Mastery of 300, should i buy the TET Carta or I'll go for Logia 1st?
it depends on your budget. Loggia clothes are a good starting point and very cost-efficient. TET Carta are super cheap on the market but so contested that you'd probably have to enhance them yourself (~1.5b on average)
@@summer_rains aight aight noted thanks man! :D
Sold 50k noc ingots this month
just sell them its not worth to do anything other stuff with it.
tldw:
dont, just grind 1 hour and enjoy the rest of the day :)
thanks for your insightful comment
Yeah grind 1h for more silver from your drops, but processing is a good passive income too if you run your workers which will technically boost your silver/h
Just stockpile your materials while actively grinding, then afk process a bunch at once to sell
This video is useless, i lost my time thx for nothing
Who hurt you?
This video makes me cry, you taught me so much and explained things so well.
Quality 10/10. Thanks!!!
This mf cried over processing
@@DrSwazz hahaha
Insert "How dare you reveal the market secrets!'" here :P.
Jokes aside I'm really glad you're helping new players figure out the life skilling side of the game c:.
Thanks for this; nobody talks about processing these days xD but kinda makes sense due to the meta and potential profit doing other things. Good vid!
The intro was perfect. Great video bud
ncs music approved
Thank you!
I disagree with requiring +3 packing as a mandatory skill for trade crates. Yes it's better to have +3 packing but most people aren't going to be hardcore trading enough to manually transport their crates to Nampo. So people who trade casually can slowly send their crates to Nampo for a lot of easy money. If you don't need the money immediately it seems better to just trade them even if it's for slightly more silver than if you sold to the market.
I am surprised you didn't cover cooking in this portion of your processing guide. Specifically cron meals (And draughts for alchemy). If you already own Balenos Meals, Savory Steaks and Sute Teas from cooking and process them into Seafood Cron Meals to use for yourself, you can make 600m/hr from processing them. Yes BDOLYTICS says it doesn't give any processing EXP but I believe it gives cooking EXP as it's processed through simple cooking (although I might be mistaken as I haven't extensively tested this).
True, I might have overprioritized +3 workers a bit. They used to be much more important on the high CP Grana Workshops and back when margins were smaller. Valencia is much more lenient.
If we're talking Cron meals, that's market cooking. Cooking Balenos meals requires extremely high mastery and it's not something I'd just throw out there as an option without also going into the profit calculation side. The video is supposed to cover avenues for using up raw processing materials and bringing a whole discussion about Cron meal profit is way too deep for such a video in my opinion.
@@summer_rains That's fair. There's a lot of very profitable things you can do via processing that doesn't come from raw worker mats like Concentrated Magical Black Gems, Krogalo's Origin Stones, Draughts and the mentioned Cron meals but maybe that's deserving of a separate video.
And yes +3 packing is much more important in cities that don't have enough workshops to produce enough crates to send on a daily basis. I like to view +3 packing less of how many crates/day my workers can make but more in terms of how much CP they save me by having them or as a way to multiply the number of factories in a city. It's functionally the same thing but I feel like viewing it as multiplying the amount of factories in a city instead of how many crates/day can be made better shows when and where +3 packing is important.
I ve been selling my materials raw up until now. So as someone who is now getting into processing how would you say should I go about leveling to master 2 efficiently? Lovely video thank you❤
You can get to master by processing flax, ore or timber. Honestly, most processing recipes are decent EXP.
Great video! I noticed on your workers sheet , some heidel nodes are not updated :) (Lynch Farm Ruins) can you update it?
Which worker sheet are you referring to and what exactly is the issue?
A tip for mass transfering, if you have magnus storage and are transfering from main city to main city you can swap alts in thr main cities, move the items into the CM, then switch to the processing location and move them out of CM, this can save a LOT of time especially if you have a ton to xfer, even more if you have the CM weight buff active (think its book of moon)
Opal to moonlight opal is amazing money. Takes about 2 weeks to gather up 2k opal and then 10 minutes of your time you'll get like 200mill plus
umm, you forgot to say how you make "Billons" scam video
Lmao the horse intro got me. Shit was funny af 😂
Banger video also 10/10 intro xd
Great video, intro made me laugh hard
That intro gets you a sub
He is back with another banger!
10 out of 10 intro
Great video thank you. i've been wondering. does normal processing produce more then mass processing due to more chances to proc?
Hi, the average number of products per craft is the same for regular and mass processing, though mass processing will let you go through materials faster
Really nice video. A question how do you transport trade crates from valencia to LomL since you cant ride your overloaded horse through the sea?
NPC wagon
Dude this was so nice done well done ! Ty
i need lifeskill artifacts so badly i cant get any drop while gathering. Tips?
The more gathers per hour the higher the drop chance. other than that just gotta be patient
what ship do you use to go from Valencia to nampo moodle village
I don't do trading currently but people seem to be using either the NPC transport or sail on Epheria cogs
Check on the golden manos belt for more weight
not super hyped about golden manos belts given that lifeskills manos belts already have weight
@summer_rains very true love your videos keep up the good work. And the intro was awesome!
Hey summer do you have any idea at what processing level you get max yield for smelting rosar weapons for the trace of memorys
There are no requirements for melting rosar weapons, you can do it at beginner 1
@@summer_rains but is there a certain processing level where you always get max yield or is it always a random amount.
@@DuckLord9999 it's always random between the min and max amount (e.g. 1-4)
@@summer_rains ah okay ty for the info and reply
trade crates was undersold massively here. U get even more profits from trade crates cuz it scales with trade level
The numbers I show are based on m10 trade level. It's noted on the chart at 15:16
@@summer_rains thx for responding! If u actually do crates u will get way beyond m10 quickly :) hopefully u also considered the bargaining bonus?
even with recent raw mats inflation trade crates still profitable?
@@vintz5617 yes... why do u think ppl buy the mats?
@@vintz5617 the crate mats price increase got largely made up for by the higher distance bonus from val-nampo. Trading is definitely something to consider, much more so than 1-2 years ago
Clarity +++.greetings from Perfecto...still we cant up G50 in game....00:00 thanks for video....I like this Treants Tear..first time saw it.:) at process. at G50, its not more is afk- :)...
One thing, you are looking at that site and the "profit" but it's not profit when you are supplying your own materials, it's "Value added". So you can't just go based on the number under profit, nor can you just go by the profit when considering multiple steps (planks or plywood). If you aren't buying materials then each step adds more value (usually), now if it's worth it for the time to do that processing that is another thing. But you can't just go blindly off the profit stat.
I don't see the disambiguation between 'profit' and 'value added' with respect to deciding whether processing is a worthwhile use of time. Can you elaborate?
Could you maybe give a concrete situation where looking at the profit would mislead someone?
@@summer_rains Sure, when considering if it's worthwhile use of time there isn't much difference. It's not a huge difference but a difference none the less when looking at it. If the base item is flooded on the market and min-listed, you are unlikely to be able to sell it so the cost of just selling it is not being shown in your "profit" but you may not be able to sell it at that price.
Fake example: But say Iron Ore was min listed with 10 million ore, but Iron Ingots were not. The 1200 silver per iron ore really should be set to 0 imo when looking at profit per hour, because you likely can't get the 1200 if it never sells. So if you don't process it you likely get 0 silver, if you do process it then you get the full value of the ingots. So looking at just the profit on that site isn't exactly accurate. It's value added, but in this case the base price is actually added too because you never could have sold it at base.
I'm not saying it's a huge difference, but something you need to consider based on situation. Sometimes going by a strict "per hour" rate is not the best either. There are items that pay better right now on a per-hour rate but actually take 10x longer to sell, versus certain items I'm selling that have max-priced pre-orders up. So I might be making less per hour but I'm not waiting possibly a week or more to sell all of it, with constantly needing to adjust the listing when I get undercut. There are some items I'm selling that are instantly sold as soon as I post them. And there is a certain item I made, that while highly profitable, is taking two weeks now and only half have sold.
@@summer_rains Don't get me wrong, it's a really good video.
@@Jaradis I agree. This seems to be more of a naming issue. Whether you'd call it added value or profit with respect to the item's value (be that 0 or vendor sale price or market sale price), same thing. In any case, simply looking at the profit on bdolytics doesn't tell the whole story and there are other factors such as sale volume to be taken into consideration.
You should get the caphra journal asap
true, but I'm also lazy af
You said Clank Clank set at 4:47.
How & what is that lmao
2:08