Had a ride on this Super Dartmaster today on the 65-👏👏👏 for a very sympathetic conversion. Only if you knew of the rebuild would you have heard any hint of a Dart from inside!
hi i worked for AEC ltd and we used to fit a cummins NHC250 engine in to the Marathon as a choice from 1977-1979, the other option was a Rolls-Royce 220 eagle or our own AEC tl12 engine, happy days !
Nothing really beats the throaty, visceral throb of an AV590 or 0600 but the Cummins makes for a decent replacement especially compared to the Scania and horrid Iveco’s fitted in the 1990’s and if it keeps these remarkable old buses going then it gets my vote.
Beautiful london iconic machines! Hope They will never be Obsolete. Who says these beautiful traditional machines can't co-exist with the newrer buses.
I have an idea. How about a diesel-electric hybrid engine. If I'm not mistaken, most diesel trains are powered by diesel-electric hybrid engines. Why not offer a smaller version for transit buses and long haul trucks.
Turbo617 but as we have learnt from trains, a series hybrid is inefficient because when you don't need power i.e. coasting or sat at idle the only option is to dump the power through roof resistors and turn that energy into heat which is a waste. There's no viable way of doing this in cars but then why would you when you can store that power in a battery and use it.
The Optares are series Hybrids, the ADL E400H has BAE series hybrid equipment. Volvo B5LH's are parallel hybrids. I don't know of any electric buses outside of London other than the 3 former Manchester Metroshuttle Versa EV's which were sent back to Optare after the Volvo 7900EV trial ended badly.
Jason Carpp The 10 Routemasters that remain in timetabled London service on route 15H currently have older Euro 2/3 Cummins 6BT / ISB5.9 engines in them, which RM1005 did as well before its Euro 6 ISB4.5 swap was carried out.
If this is possible why dont they start making buses to look exactly like the original routemasters only electric? I'm sure people would appreciate them more than the busses going around London now would probably even attract more people to use public transport
For me, a routemaster without the roar of the AEC engine is like cutting the balls off a lion....... the roar isn’t there. I appreciate current legislation determines how certain aspects of the bus will look, but the internal digital display, the fluorescent lighting and yellow poles are about as authentic as diamanté. I am not a window licker, but I would rather these buses are not butchered the way this one is.
If only such engines were available for North American consumers. Whether you're a business owner, you drive your car or truck for a business, clean air emissions is imperative if you care about the environment. :)
they wouldn't have been fitted with Euro 6 4 cylinder Cummins engines, but rather Euro 2/3 6 cylinder ones, which coincidentally this particular bus used to have one of.
it can be seen at speed in the All The Stations Imberbus video. Even though it's the engine and transmission normally used in the Enviro200 MMC it actually properly powers this bus, better than the original huge engine ever could. Modern efficiency!
Dude do you know anything about routemasters? There's a good chance that all of its body panels, windows, seats and drive train all came from a different vehicle. Many were also fitted with 2nd hand titan brake chambers from when the titans were converted to air brakes.
Had a ride on this Super Dartmaster today on the 65-👏👏👏 for a very sympathetic conversion. Only if you knew of the rebuild would you have heard any hint of a Dart from inside!
hi i worked for AEC ltd and we used to fit a cummins NHC250 engine in to the Marathon as a choice from 1977-1979, the other option was a Rolls-Royce 220 eagle or our own AEC tl12 engine, happy days !
My name is Lewis and I love routemaster buses and I wish love to see more of RM1005 Back on the road and doing tours in London
Rode this bus on the 31 last October, was a real treat. Very quiet.
Nothing really beats the throaty, visceral throb of an AV590 or 0600 but the Cummins makes for a decent replacement especially compared to the Scania and horrid Iveco’s fitted in the 1990’s and if it keeps these remarkable old buses going then it gets my vote.
Nah wack in an old AEC or Leyland engine for me restoration is about originality for me not forgetting the singing gearbox
Can't get the parts. These engines were last made about 1970
Perfect example of longevity in action..
Best vevicles invented, thank you so much. Built for inevitability.
But does it have it's original AEC musical transmission......or is it just a tuneless automatic?
Beautiful london iconic machines! Hope They will never be Obsolete. Who says these beautiful traditional machines can't co-exist with the newrer buses.
I have an idea. How about a diesel-electric hybrid engine. If I'm not mistaken, most diesel trains are powered by diesel-electric hybrid engines. Why not offer a smaller version for transit buses and long haul trucks.
Jason Carpp the newer shape routemaster bus that you also see in the footage is a diesel electric hybrid drive designed by Cummins and Siemens.
Why not? They should be used for our American buses, school buses, transit buses, diesel pusher motorhomes, anything that's diesel powered.
Turbo617 but as we have learnt from trains, a series hybrid is inefficient because when you don't need power i.e. coasting or sat at idle the only option is to dump the power through roof resistors and turn that energy into heat which is a waste. There's no viable way of doing this in cars but then why would you when you can store that power in a battery and use it.
Optare Solo SR Hybrid, Optare Versa SR Hybrid and ADL Enviro 400H are all Series Hybrids.
The Optares are series Hybrids, the ADL E400H has BAE series hybrid equipment. Volvo B5LH's are parallel hybrids. I don't know of any electric buses outside of London other than the 3 former Manchester Metroshuttle Versa EV's which were sent back to Optare after the Volvo 7900EV trial ended badly.
I got to ride on buses like this when I visited England.
Jason Carpp The 10 Routemasters that remain in timetabled London service on route 15H currently have older Euro 2/3 Cummins 6BT / ISB5.9 engines in them, which RM1005 did as well before its Euro 6 ISB4.5 swap was carried out.
The Heritage route 15 is coming to an end in September.
sad
Yes but can you still have the semi Automatic function on the bus and also do you have to change the interior of the Drivers Cab.
I wonder if this will end up sounding the same as a Voith MMC...
DaniThePancakeWarrior no because they don't have a voith gearbox
@@wharris302 maybe an Allison gearbox? Or the same transmission gearbox that the bus was retrofitted with on it’s first build long time ago
Awesome job on the Video
This is the guy who championed the bendy-bus.(hendy's bendies remember?)
Any chance this bus is available for wedding hire? (or other Routermaster Euro 6?)
If this is possible why dont they start making buses to look exactly like the original routemasters only electric? I'm sure people would appreciate them more than the busses going around London now would probably even attract more people to use public transport
And now TfL have stopped running the old routemasters on the Heritage route. Shame!
Wow Cummins, what did you pay that lord for the promo talk?
Because he owns that bus
For me, a routemaster without the roar of the AEC engine is like cutting the balls off a lion....... the roar isn’t there. I appreciate current legislation determines how certain aspects of the bus will look, but the internal digital display, the fluorescent lighting and yellow poles are about as authentic as diamanté. I am not a window licker, but I would rather these buses are not butchered the way this one is.
If only such engines were available for North American consumers. Whether you're a business owner, you drive your car or truck for a business, clean air emissions is imperative if you care about the environment. :)
I remember when they fitted these engines to the RML’s at Upton Park.
They were shite, we hated them and always hoped for an AEC.
they wouldn't have been fitted with Euro 6 4 cylinder Cummins engines, but rather Euro 2/3 6 cylinder ones, which coincidentally this particular bus used to have one of.
Four cylinder diesel engines are for BREAD VANS not double deck buses. Keep the Routemaster SIX CYLINDER!
A Euro 6 Routemaster
And now the bus will be off the road more than on. Constant management lights/egr problems, nox sensor faults etc etc 👎
Old engine best engine, designed and built to last
Nah that's not a route master it needs a aec or Leyland engine you've basically killed it
Good luck driving one of them into the lez
AEC engines are better, screw the Adblue nonsense.
Love the bus..the emmisions equipment kill diesels
it can be seen at speed in the All The Stations Imberbus video. Even though it's the engine and transmission normally used in the Enviro200 MMC it actually properly powers this bus, better than the original huge engine ever could. Modern efficiency!
Without the original heart it's a shell. Sacrilege.
It hadn't been fitted with the original heart since like 2001 or 2002. It was one of the Marshall ones so used to have a Euro 2 5.9 B-series
Dude do you know anything about routemasters? There's a good chance that all of its body panels, windows, seats and drive train all came from a different vehicle. Many were also fitted with 2nd hand titan brake chambers from when the titans were converted to air brakes.
I can't hear the engine. Pointless video
Justin Boocock that wasn’t the point of the video
so no, it wasn’t a pointless video
you can hear it a bit in the All The Stations Imberbus video