I'm 84 kg and was riding a 62.5 L Jazz. It was a little corky at my weight, but I rode it for almost a year, and really enjoyed it. I recently switched the 50L AppleSkipper and for me it was a gamechanger It took some adjustment initially and I found myself sizing up my hand wing to make sure I had sufficient power to get up. Now that I've been riding it a couple of weeks, I can getup riding without having to size up my hand wing. I ride it with the Armstrong MA1000 with winds from 13-22 knots, 3.6m hand wing. Absolutely loving this board!
I think you've given really sound, applicable advice regarding a complex subject. Different local conditions w/ wind, chop, current, swell, different rider weight, age, ability, different foils, different styles- freestyle, free-ride, surf, downwind. There are so many variables, it is impossible to consider them all with a one size fits all answer. The best one can do is provide things for the rider to consider making their choice, give general starting point which you've done. For the rider wanting to pin it down exactly..... demo, demo, demo.
I would like a sinker board, but the lake I’m riding is very shallow (max 1,5 dept) an to be able to ride i have to walk in the water for approximately 10-15 min to be able to start with 55 cm Mast and a semi Senker (70 kg - 70 L). Nice review 👍🏻
I've been riding a 62L at 83kg for the last two years and love it. I ride it in everything. Even in 10-15 knots, I seem to have no problems getting it going. I also have a Pro Foil V2 34L, but my experience prone is limited, even though I've surfed all my life. I want to buy a 45-50L prone / wing board that I can use for improving prone, and wing in higher winds... but I soooooo torn between a Skipper, Slice V2 or Omen Flux. I can see positive and negatives in all 3.
Hi! I will make it even harder for you, or easier, just how you see it. We are launching the slice V3 this friday. This will be available in 40 and 50L and might be just what you are looking for. so keep an eye out!
@@appletreesurfboards Haha, just got back here after spotting that on Facebook! I'm paying attention. 50L is exactly what I'm looking for. Given my Jazz has been sooooo good, I want to stick with an Appletree. I finally even figured out how to fix them to where you can't even see the repair... and I found a clearcoat that more or less matches the original satin look for the repaired area. Mind you, I only had to repair the nose on mine.
Hi! I have the board Appletree V3 100 l. I have the problem that the board is very unstable in the transverse axis here in brasil in the open sea in the waves. Last year I was here with the Ensis Bord 97l Rock’n’Roll and it was very much easier. The V 3 is nearly not controllable in the chop . I am 98 kg. Hope to hear from you.
Hi, With the board exactly at your weight in volume, it becomes unstable in the chop. this is exactly as we describe in this video and others. So our advise is to go higher or lower but not exactly your weight. The ensis board is a lot wider, which makes it more stable, but less nice to ride in our opinion. Hope this helps!
You guys have a great range of boards for varying conditions. What are your thoughts on the downsized downwind boards for winging? Like the Amos Shapes Sultan Wing, or Kalama E3 Wing/Prone/Downwind? A wing board for lighter winds that is floaty but not as big/long as a downwind board? I have a Jazz 62.5 but want to add another board better for lighter winds that has more volume than my weight. Keep up the great work and all the videos 😎
Hi! thanks for the comment. We are expirimenting with these boards, at the moment we already have smaller DW boards in the range. we can always downsize them more as a custom order, to fit your needs. Just send us an email and we can make it happen!
Hi there. Im approx 86kg (i guess i move weight 83kg - 89kg depending on how many cakes i eat!) + 5mm wetsuit and impact vest and 5mm boots in winter. 3mm wetsuit and no boots in summer. Riding UK west coast in everything from flat water to over head waves. i love waves the most. I currently ride a 70 liter f-one 5''2 x 24" rocket S and Fone Sk8's. I like the board in the main but (i) sometimes in chops it can be slow to release (ii) in last 12 mths i have had a handful of sessions in short period, onshore head high waves when its too hard for me (54 yr old) to get out....i just cant get onto the board and get going before next white water knocks me off...rinse, repeat, and then i burst a bladder. So taking this info in account - what size V3 do you suggest to me ?
Hi, what do you think about the new trend of hybrid boards based on DW in more compact shapes as "single board" ? ie the Amos Sultan Wing or the Sunova Carve ?
Why you need to go really low in volume to sink it more? I know many experienced 80-85kg rider that chose a semi sinker board around 60L and 70-75kg riders that prefer a board around 50L. They say if smaller they need to ride a bigger foil or ride overpowered to get up. I’m 82kg and also have 60L and 78L boards and tempted to get a board around 50L but like to use the smallest possible HA foil and wing. Any advice?
Very personal in deed. We find that when you ride in tricky conditons, waves, lots of current pulling on the foil, that a smaller board is easier to control. I am 95Kg myself and find a 70L too corky, and an 80L too floaty. so I go for 60-70 range. That said, I don't mind a bigger wing at all, so I usually have enough power.
I really like your video! It gave me a lot of points to think about. I am riding mainly on the open ocean with wind above 15kts (tarifa). When you talk about „avoid your weight in volume“, what is the magic difference? I am around 80kg (with wetsuits and all the equipment probably around 85kg+. So that would mean i have to avoid everything around 70l to 90l. At the moment i have a 110l board which feels too big. On the other hand i don’t want to go for a sinker as i don’t have the level yet. Before this video i thought my next board will be around 85l to 90l. But now i am not sure if this is a good choice for me.
Hi! good question. For us the volume to avaoid is your weight till aabout 20-25% below that. So in your case, you could go as low as 80-85L that will just about float you and should be easy to ride. just avoid the 65-80 range.
We have not tried that specific foil. but as far as we know. Their boards are also designed with a neutral angle, so the foil angle should work fine. the track spacing is the same, so we expect no issues
Hi! My weight is 80 kg. I switched my Slice V2 83 liter for same board in 70 liter. Dispite of the recommendation to stay away from volum equal to weight, I found the 83 liter much easier to get going. With the 70 liter I struggle with pitch stability during water start when on my knees. I feel I spend a lot of energy before on foil. I am now considering the V3. Mainly surfing open ocean and far from beach (around offshore islands). What volume would you recommend to ease water starting? Thanks!
hi, This is very personal, but at 80KG 70L is a bit too much to fully sink the board, thus making it hard to control under water. If you go sinker, go full sinker! The v3 had beeter low end, so it should be easier to get going. go for 80L is you want the security to always get going, and go for 60L if you are after a "higher wind sinker"
@@appletreesurfboards Thanks heaps for prompt reply!! I will then need to consider which way to go… maybe the 60 is the thing… i also have a 120 downwind board for those lighter days..
Great Video, but I still need your advice please. I am 85kg, good rider, mostly winging on lakes at 10-20 knots. I currently have a 100l freestyle board which has 72cm width and makes tight curving difficult.... I want to change to a longer and narrow shape like the Slice V3. Now before watching your video I was considering 80l. Now I tend to 90l. Opinions appreciated 👍
Hi! thanks! Both sizes will work fine for you, but 10 knots is rather low, so if you have a lot of low wind days, go for the bigger size. the longer narrower shape will really help with getting up in lower wind conditions!
@@markusrapke7390 Unfortunately, sales are indeed currently going quicker than we can produce. But we are constantly restocking, for both retailers and our online shop. Please feel free to send an email to info@appletreesurfboards and Filipe can check for you when a 90L can be available for you.
man, it is a so complex topic, with no definitive answer. weight (rider/board....), wind, shape, foil, water conditions. i guess one has to try. and unfortunately for us buyers, 2 boards might be the only solution... cheers! j.
Hi @@Jonasmollerjensen. Inflatable boards are great for your first rides, and when space (in your car for instance) is at a premium. For performence riding however, they do not compare with rigid boards. Yes, some, more quality ones feel quite good and are resonably stiff, but it just never compares to carbon fibre. Then the shape is very limited to what you can construct in an inflatable construction, so most of the boards look similar (blobby) Also, it is very hard/impossible to make sharp edges on a inflatable. which are needed for effective water release. I would only advise them for schools and I never advise anyone to buy it, because you will outgrow it quickly after which you need to invest again in a rigid board.
I'm 84 kg and was riding a 62.5 L Jazz. It was a little corky at my weight, but I rode it for almost a year, and really enjoyed it. I recently switched the 50L AppleSkipper and for me it was a gamechanger It took some adjustment initially and I found myself sizing up my hand wing to make sure I had sufficient power to get up. Now that I've been riding it a couple of weeks, I can getup riding without having to size up my hand wing. I ride it with the Armstrong MA1000 with winds from 13-22 knots, 3.6m hand wing. Absolutely loving this board!
Thanks Cris! sounds like you found your match!
I think you've given really sound, applicable advice regarding a complex subject. Different local conditions w/ wind, chop, current, swell, different rider weight, age, ability, different foils, different styles- freestyle, free-ride, surf, downwind. There are so many variables, it is impossible to consider them all with a one size fits all answer. The best one can do is provide things for the rider to consider making their choice, give general starting point which you've done. For the rider wanting to pin it down exactly..... demo, demo, demo.
thanks. cannor agree more. This is probabaly not the last video on the subject either :)
The best board is the one under your feet ;) Lekker info Wieger! Keep em coming bru.
Appletree, please adjust the volume of your music it is sooo loud compared to the volume of speaking on video. Our ears will thank you.
I would like a sinker board, but the lake I’m riding is very shallow (max 1,5 dept) an to be able to ride i have to walk in the water for approximately 10-15 min to be able to start with 55 cm Mast and a semi Senker (70 kg - 70 L). Nice review 👍🏻
that is a whole other issue you have there :) then a floating board makes total sense.
I've been riding a 62L at 83kg for the last two years and love it. I ride it in everything. Even in 10-15 knots, I seem to have no problems getting it going. I also have a Pro Foil V2 34L, but my experience prone is limited, even though I've surfed all my life. I want to buy a 45-50L prone / wing board that I can use for improving prone, and wing in higher winds... but I soooooo torn between a Skipper, Slice V2 or Omen Flux. I can see positive and negatives in all 3.
Hi! I will make it even harder for you, or easier, just how you see it. We are launching the slice V3 this friday. This will be available in 40 and 50L and might be just what you are looking for. so keep an eye out!
@@appletreesurfboards Haha, just got back here after spotting that on Facebook! I'm paying attention. 50L is exactly what I'm looking for. Given my Jazz has been sooooo good, I want to stick with an Appletree. I finally even figured out how to fix them to where you can't even see the repair... and I found a clearcoat that more or less matches the original satin look for the repaired area. Mind you, I only had to repair the nose on mine.
Hi! I have the board Appletree V3 100 l. I have the problem that the board is very unstable in the transverse axis here in brasil in the open sea in the waves.
Last year I was here with the Ensis Bord 97l Rock’n’Roll and it was very much easier.
The V 3 is nearly not controllable in the chop .
I am 98 kg. Hope to hear from you.
Hi, With the board exactly at your weight in volume, it becomes unstable in the chop. this is exactly as we describe in this video and others. So our advise is to go higher or lower but not exactly your weight. The ensis board is a lot wider, which makes it more stable, but less nice to ride in our opinion. Hope this helps!
You guys have a great range of boards for varying conditions. What are your thoughts on the downsized downwind boards for winging? Like the Amos Shapes Sultan Wing, or Kalama E3 Wing/Prone/Downwind? A wing board for lighter winds that is floaty but not as big/long as a downwind board? I have a Jazz 62.5 but want to add another board better for lighter winds that has more volume than my weight.
Keep up the great work and all the videos 😎
Hi! thanks for the comment. We are expirimenting with these boards, at the moment we already have smaller DW boards in the range. we can always downsize them more as a custom order, to fit your needs. Just send us an email and we can make it happen!
so when to take the slice V3 and when the skipper wing? same volume, around -10 kg my weight. cheers
Hi there. Im approx 86kg (i guess i move weight 83kg - 89kg depending on how many cakes i eat!) + 5mm wetsuit and impact vest and 5mm boots in winter. 3mm wetsuit and no boots in summer. Riding UK west coast in everything from flat water to over head waves. i love waves the most. I currently ride a 70 liter f-one 5''2 x 24" rocket S and Fone Sk8's. I like the board in the main but (i) sometimes in chops it can be slow to release (ii) in last 12 mths i have had a handful of sessions in short period, onshore head high waves when its too hard for me (54 yr old) to get out....i just cant get onto the board and get going before next white water knocks me off...rinse, repeat, and then i burst a bladder. So taking this info in account - what size V3 do you suggest to me ?
Hi, what do you think about the new trend of hybrid boards based on DW in more compact shapes as "single board" ? ie the Amos Sultan Wing or the Sunova Carve ?
Why you need to go really low in volume to sink it more? I know many experienced 80-85kg rider that chose a semi sinker board around 60L and 70-75kg riders that prefer a board around 50L. They say if smaller they need to ride a bigger foil or ride overpowered to get up. I’m 82kg and also have 60L and 78L boards and tempted to get a board around 50L but like to use the smallest possible HA foil and wing. Any advice?
Very personal in deed. We find that when you ride in tricky conditons, waves, lots of current pulling on the foil, that a smaller board is easier to control. I am 95Kg myself and find a 70L too corky, and an 80L too floaty. so I go for 60-70 range. That said, I don't mind a bigger wing at all, so I usually have enough power.
@@appletreesurfboards Good answer, makes a lot of sense
So, if I weigh 75 kg (77 kg with wetsuit and all), would 84 L be considered as a floaty board?
@@Tobeon2 Yes, I would consider that a floating board. would be a good option for lighter winds and safety
I really like your video! It gave me a lot of points to think about. I am riding mainly on the open ocean with wind above 15kts (tarifa). When you talk about „avoid your weight in volume“, what is the magic difference? I am around 80kg (with wetsuits and all the equipment probably around 85kg+. So that would mean i have to avoid everything around 70l to 90l. At the moment i have a 110l board which feels too big. On the other hand i don’t want to go for a sinker as i don’t have the level yet. Before this video i thought my next board will be around 85l to 90l. But now i am not sure if this is a good choice for me.
Hi! good question. For us the volume to avaoid is your weight till aabout 20-25% below that. So in your case, you could go as low as 80-85L that will just about float you and should be easy to ride. just avoid the 65-80 range.
How do Duotone Foils work with your boards? Especially Carve 2.0 1100 ?? Thanks 🙏
We have not tried that specific foil. but as far as we know. Their boards are also designed with a neutral angle, so the foil angle should work fine. the track spacing is the same, so we expect no issues
Hi! My weight is 80 kg. I switched my Slice V2 83 liter for same board in 70 liter. Dispite of the recommendation to stay away from volum equal to weight, I found the 83 liter much easier to get going. With the 70 liter I struggle with pitch stability during water start when on my knees. I feel I spend a lot of energy before on foil. I am now considering the V3. Mainly surfing open ocean and far from beach (around offshore islands). What volume would you recommend to ease water starting? Thanks!
hi, This is very personal, but at 80KG 70L is a bit too much to fully sink the board, thus making it hard to control under water. If you go sinker, go full sinker! The v3 had beeter low end, so it should be easier to get going. go for 80L is you want the security to always get going, and go for 60L if you are after a "higher wind sinker"
@@appletreesurfboards Thanks heaps for prompt reply!! I will then need to consider which way to go… maybe the 60 is the thing… i also have a 120 downwind board for those lighter days..
Hi ! Great boards you make ! Would you say the 70L slicev2 is as easy to start as the skipper 75 ? Also are you getting a slice v3 out soon ? Thanks !
Yes, that is about right. We cannot say anything about a V3 release yet :)
Great Video, but I still need your advice please. I am 85kg, good rider, mostly winging on lakes at 10-20 knots. I currently have a 100l freestyle board which has 72cm width and makes tight curving difficult.... I want to change to a longer and narrow shape like the Slice V3. Now before watching your video I was considering 80l. Now I tend to 90l. Opinions appreciated 👍
Hi! thanks! Both sizes will work fine for you, but 10 knots is rather low, so if you have a lot of low wind days, go for the bigger size. the longer narrower shape will really help with getting up in lower wind conditions!
@@appletreesurfboards Yeah thanks, not available in Germany ATM 😂
@@markusrapke7390 Unfortunately, sales are indeed currently going quicker than we can produce. But we are constantly restocking, for both retailers and our online shop. Please feel free to send an email to info@appletreesurfboards and Filipe can check for you when a 90L can be available for you.
What is your recommendation for beginners weighing 100 kg?
A 140L board
About your prone boards….?
man, it is a so complex topic, with no definitive answer. weight (rider/board....), wind, shape, foil, water conditions. i guess one has to try. and unfortunately for us buyers, 2 boards might be the only solution... cheers! j.
thanks for the comment. IT's a super complicated topic, I am sure we can do an "updated" video every season. Which I think we will.
How does inflatable boards work compared to rigid boards. (I’m a beginner to the sport)
Hi @@Jonasmollerjensen. Inflatable boards are great for your first rides, and when space (in your car for instance) is at a premium. For performence riding however, they do not compare with rigid boards. Yes, some, more quality ones feel quite good and are resonably stiff, but it just never compares to carbon fibre. Then the shape is very limited to what you can construct in an inflatable construction, so most of the boards look similar (blobby) Also, it is very hard/impossible to make sharp edges on a inflatable. which are needed for effective water release. I would only advise them for schools and I never advise anyone to buy it, because you will outgrow it quickly after which you need to invest again in a rigid board.
More talks about your prone boards not everything about winging please😅
Haha, noted! Will do!