Taxes are crazy in Germany. People argue that you get a lot of social benefits because of that. But still they are too much. You pay a big chunk of your salary for health insurance, still struggle to get doctor's appointments.
Tax in scandinavian countries are even higher in germany. Also medical system here in germany is still considered good compared to US or Canada where you sometimes wait for a year to get an appointment to a specialist.
To me personally, it's about starting _from_ somewhere. What both of you mention about your first jobs and salaries makes perfect sense. You see, I expect no miracles, but I wish to be able or capable of making miracles eventually myself. With all my experience and my knowledge, including having dated someone living in Germany, I find that the quality of life is the real gap. She earned below average salary (for Germany) and she took me on a trip to Bremen and Hannover, she rented a car to take me from the airport and walk me around Dortmund.. and many other nice gestures during my stay. Here in Bulgaria, if I was her, I couldn't afford doing that much for someone visiting me for 10 days. As for the gender gap I am sure it will be dealt with. I'm a woman and we don't have a gender gap in terms of salaries, but in the end of the day how does it matter, if both members of a family fight over bills and basic living expenses. Well, still, the quality of people who would listen and understand is what counts for fighting for a higher salary and warmer hearts. 😉
Hats down to you 👍 - for your effort and for the quality of your information. Germany should be proud because you help others to discover its culture, system and so on! Thank you, one of the others 😉
Outside of EU, I see a completely different tax system. Once I worked in two start-ups at the same time, and used Russian tax system that allowed me to save almost all income on my hands. So, in my opinion 2,500 euros net is good enough for a life, but when you have 5,000 - 8,000 euros you can forget about prices and live without a headache how to buy something. And when you get more than 10,000 euros per month net you are completely freedom. My best result so far was $13,000 net.
I had an interview for a tech/lead related role for a pharma company. The salary was really close to 90k a year. But I saw taxes really high and that let me down. I didn't have enough experience for the position either way. But now I realized that was a pretty decent offer.
A factor that affects a lot of expats is Blue Card vs Work Permit salary requirements. Sometimes as an expat you must be paid higher than colleagues in the team you’re joining because of immigration requirements - more often an issue in small-medium size companies where pay equity hasn’t been figured out yet. Nice video roundups here on pay topics!
Living in Stuttgart would consider a family household gross income of at least 100.000 € as fine. With that you don‘t have to worry about costs of living as long as you don‘t need luxury.
You shouldn't use the average income, you should use the median income which is a much better representation of the concept you are trying to convey. The average values can be skewed by unusually low or unusually high salaries.
Most people I know even hit 36k gross salary (Bruttolohn), the majority is even under 30k. As for the gender pay gap, I encourage watching the interview between Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson (a bit long but free here on YT). Greetings from Hamburg.
It's however important to mention that living in Germany you have access to many amenities and infrastructure not available to you in other countries unless you hire someone yourself or you pay a net price for it.
The social contributions you need to pay in Germany can be quite high. Health insurance costs can be exorbitant, and accessing specialist doctors can be challenging. Waiting times can be long, sometimes leading to critical situations before receiving treatment, often resulting in visits to the emergency department.
Hey Jen & Yvonne, just a friendly tip - noticed in this video and your latest one on Tax returns that you are saying Gross with a short o sound like in Loss. Its actually pronounced with the longer o like in Grow (then add the ss on the end!) ;-)
You two are highly entertaining and feed off of each other which makes it a pleasure to watch. As you mentioned, using averages can high some pretty wide variations in the numbers. I live in Southern NJ and while my salary here would most likely put me in the top 5% once I travel 30 miles north closer to NYC my "ranking" falls dramatically. Housing, Insurance and Property taxes take a much bigger chunk out of those paychecks so it tend to even out. I know that in Germany, they take out a percentage for National Health Insurance and was curious of that was just based on salary or do they take into account total family size. Here in the US its kind of a mish-mash as most companies provide Insurance as part of the compensation packages and your cost can be all over the map depending on number of dependents. I have a colleague whose company pays 100% of family health costs and I pay about 250/month for a family of 4. Thanks!
It's 14 % of your salary, I guess. 7 % your part, 7 % your employers part. So from say 3 grand you pay roughly 420 bucks health insurance, but as I said it is divided between you and your boss. So 210 and you're covered for everything. At one point in your income you have no choice anymore and have to change from public to private insurance. That's around 5 grand, I guess? Difference between the two. No waiting times anymore as a privately insured patient at doctors/dentists. Room in the hospital can be yours alone. They pay more for your teeth, but you can get an additional insurance for real small money to even that out as a publicly insured. Like 5 bucks a month or so... Glasses and jackets in your teethset are not covered by public insurance. The first one is really bad, if you ask me, because glasses are freaking expensive. Nevertheless...5 bucks insurance on your glasses and you get new ones for free, if they break somehow, including you being tipsy stepping on them.
The Percentage for health insurance is from your income alone, on average 15,6% (of which you pay half) up until 59.850 EUR per year in 2023. If there is more income, this will then be free. Your familiy is covered by your health insurance as long as their individual income is low (
Hey, thankyou for making such informative videos. Jen, I'd love to hear about your journey of switching role from customer service to software engineer in Germany. How did that happen? Did you have any tech background? what skills/courses did you take to land a role as software engineer?
Great video but maybe in a next one you could go into more detail about the fact, that there is "Tariflohn" and "AT's - Außerhalb Tariflohn". Not sure if this is of interest for your target audience but in Germany still the unions are quite strong and even with an academic grade you are often employed to a certain "salary class - Tarifklasse". Your gross salary in that class is negotiated between the unions and their counterparts, the association of employers for that industry sector, even if you are not member of that union if you have a tarif contract. It has it pros and cons as you might get like an anual 3% increase of income or like in the chemical indsutry 1k€ extra in May without ever negotiating yourself, but on the ohter hand, you can't just go to your boss and negotiate yourself for more.
I think the last sentence is a bit misleading. You can always try to negotiate for more than the Tariflohn, that's just kind of a specific 'minimum wage' for your type of job. But your boss probably will be less willing to discuss wages than in a company where every salary is negotiated individually.
So I am guessing that if my wife and I were to retire in Deutschland, our 70,000 Euro Gross Retirement would be aduquate. We also have our own Health Insurance that would cover us as expats from the U.S. I spent time there in the Military and fell in love with the place. Especially the Rheinland-Pfalz region. When I was there, I did my best to acclimate to the culture and worked very hard not to be the Ugly American G.I.
Great video, but I see some sort of underestimation with the salaries, may be I am wrong. All the people I know closely, my classmates from the university have managed to find better salaries than average salary mentioned here. Many of them got upto 80K gross after their university degree (masters) and most of them managed to get around 60-65K.
It highly depends on the industry and the job profile. As others have pointed out in comments they and their friends earn way below average. That's why its an average and as we state 1/3 earn above and 2/3 earn below average. Now you are aware that you and your friends are part of the above average earners 😉
@@simplegermany I find it funny how indians earn so high salaries (over 80k) in Germany and see Germans that have similar jobs and are happy with 50000€ 😅
Yeah, maybe for masters degrees in high paying businesses like IT, engineering and stuff like that. But Germany is a low wage country overall, ESPECIALLY when it comes to everyday jobs. That drastically drags the average down and creates a depressing conundrum. People in basic jobs think that the 47000 is TOOOONS of money and they can never get that and ofthers casually can earn 80000.
Germany is not a low wage country for everyday jobs. Coming from Portugal (where not being a doctor or a software engineer means you earn very close to minimum wage), it seems like everyone that works makes decent money in Germany. You don't see poverty like you see in Portugal here.
Hello! I recently found your channel and became your new subscriber. Could you also share what the average and high salaries are in Ratingen, Duisburg, and Cologne. Thanks
The gender pay gap is non sense, as it does not compare the same profession, even not the same amount of working hours. What it shows, is the average salary of all women compared to average of all men. This can be any profession, part time work etc. If you compare it on level of same profession it's almost the same (>4%)
7:40 i do not agree with that specially for mid level job(35k-60k). when you are in a big company then it is very likely that you will have a collective agreement for salary that is based on negotiations of the labor union and the employer. you will not be able to negotiate for yourself. if you are bad at negotiating this can be good for you but it also takes away the possibility to get higher wages or getting a raise if you are doing well. smaller companies tend to pay more but also look closer at who they hire...they are really looking if you are worth what they pay for. it is also a good indicator how good you are at what you are doing. if they want to pay you less then the big companies with their collective agreements...they think you are not very good. so if that is the case maybe try a bigger company.
when talking about average salary based on gender, how is this number based on "same profession"? can you please detail which profession is on your example? average salary you mentioned without mentioning any profession
The average salary takes all the salaries in all of Germany. If you're interested per profession, you can use the link we provide in the description: www.gehalt.de/beruf/berufe-von-a-bis-z
Thank you so much for this insightful video 🙂 I am currently working as a Project Manager in the tech industry in Sri Lanka and making plans to move to Germany by 2023. Could you please tell me a few ways to attract some potential employers and find a Project Manager job in Germany. I already started applying on LinkedIn, however I would like to know other effective ways of finding a good PM job in Germany. Would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions. Thank you very much in advance. 🙂
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Project Manager jobs in IT in Germany are reserved to Germans because most of them hate programming and doing sth productive, but love talking a lot by saying nothing, sitting in useless meetings with no results and asking others when something will be ready. Even the ones that start as programmers switch soon to leading possitions, leaving for foreigners the technical part. So your chances are quite low to be honest.
@@purosfoodntravelnetworkper9268 Yes, I have been working in German companies during the last 10 years as a programmer. 4 companies already, same experience everywhere with project managers. I never had a project manager that was non-german and 80% of my software developer colleagues are foreigners.
Look up large international enterprises in Germany and directly write them. Send a follow up about 4 weeks in if you haven't heard of them. After that it is a lost cause. large international enterprises, independent where there hq is, have 2 advantages for you: 1. their project teams can usually communicate in english, some of them even have english as official company language 2. they sometimes have specialist helping to relocate. There are of course also smaller companies that provide the same advantages that are actively hiring project managers. But these are hard to find. Also linked in is not necessary the main choice for German companies. Email/their website is often preferred. Regarding nationality of project managers: A lot of Project Managers are actually German. But I think it is for different reason: Discussions and negotiations with customers can become quite tricky and quickly turn into a somewhat hostile situation. If people aren't fluent in the language these situations are hard to navigate. Also dialects might cause some issues for foreigners. And don't let this discourage you: Many contracts and legal documents are in a German legalese which even for Germans is hard to understand. And Amtsdeutsch is even more crazy. All of which is something a project manager has to deal with.
sorry - but you startet well - saying there is a huge difference between locations in germany. I am arount Munich location - so a salary around 50k€ or 64k€ is not a good one here - just by the living costs, so houses/rent and so on... is quite high. Being in Leipzig for a my studies and knowing lots of people living there still - this is another story. Still a great city - but a house or flat is still way cheaper - while salary is lower but not that much... if have a proper job. I guess this a general thing for almost all countries... but you shoudl alway compare flat/house situation and pricing first... then check the local salary figures...
How tricky is to rent an apartment for foreigners in Germany? I expect it should be easier in Berlin but it can also cost more compared to other suburban areas. What would you suggest for a family with 2 kids?
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Two important things are missing or not really mentioned. Firstly: As you described the only 1/3 of the Germans earn more than the average. So the more interesting salary is the median salary - which is several thousands less. Secondly: We're Germany, it is not all that easy here... In order to compare your salary you there is something additional to know: When you negotiate your salary you only pay about half of the social costs. So in your example you earn 4000€ gross, and get 2400 net. Your employer also pays social contributions for you as employee. Which adds about 20% costs to your negotiated salary. So if you negotialte 4000€/month, which means 48000€/year the employer has to pay you 59757€ per year. These additional 11000€ will be be put mostly into the employee's health care and pension contribution. To compare this with foreign countries, this is also part of your salary. I am happy with my salary when I can have a good meal outside without thinking about the price from time to time. When I don't need to think about grocery shopping. When I am able to have some savings. You cannot have enough savings. Depending on them you can travel or buy things. Without them you're living from day to day, which I also did for a while. I think the need for savings it is good to value the things you buy. If you simply can buy stuff, if you don't need to wait or to work for it, buying appears to be kind of boring and not feel like you did a step upwards.
Money will always never be enough. Even millionaires are not content with what they have. Therefore it is better to realize sooner to chase othe things in life that will make you happy.
Is there a pay gap when you compare genders in the same job AND same experience? Or did you take a total here that doesn't regard that women more likely take parenting time than men. 47K average is ridiculous. Go check the mean salary, that differs a lot. Regular workers in regular jobs do not earn more than 25K gross a year. This database is totally misleading because the split of society in poor and rich is getting bigger and bigger. Maybe worth a follow-up video?
gender pay gap is not real , it is competence pay gap . male female others dont matter . Most owners of startups are men . The more you take risks the more chances you make more money or go broke. Most people that are homeless are men. Most people in jail are men . Most people dying on ukraine war are men . Why people dont talk about gender equality there?
There is no proof that Gender is a reason for gender pay gap. The pay gap wich is not reasonable from other reasons then gender (part time, education, experience, job type you choose) is about 2% of salary. So don't think an software engineer would get payed a lot more in average with male gender or less as female
Could you tell me if age is problematic when it comes to finding jobs? It wont be easy to work with German, is it possible using English or french and italian for the begeining? They are many ifs! I am sorry, any adress for international Marketing management
Ok, this vid was nice but I still have the same questions as before I clicked on it: 1. For you money isnt everything, but for a foreigner already working in the country for 1-2 years, money IS important 2. What actually is acceptable/traditional to ask for in a Salary discussion? I am from Mexico, but dont know the estimates or legal brackets for this discussions 3. Someone told me these salary discussion derived increases in your yearly salary are regulated by German law depending on your age, education degree, experience and (maybe) economy. Do you know which website is that?
Sorry you did not find the answers you were looking for. You could look for the average salary for your profession in the city you are interested in living in (www.gehalt.de/beruf/berufe-von-a-bis-z). That will give you a baseline to negotiate your salary. If you're getting too low of an offer, it is up to you to calculate your costs of living and see if it's worth taking the job as a first step into the country. If not, then feel free to negotiate with your employer. There are no hard rules as to how to negotiate. Ask for what you think is fair and see what the company comes back with. I have not heard that the salary discussions are regulated by German law. It is true that the salary is based on your age, education degree, experience, size of the company, and company per se. So just go for it.
I ld say as a rough example any body who is taking top gros salary in Germany pays amazingly super high contributions and taxes , and if you are in the situation that you are young and still want to check where you are heading , and you dont want to buy a home for example , the chances of getting any taxes back are kind of 0
interesting view. In our Indians in Germany facebook group, most Indians consider a salary less than 80k euro too less. I know many who rejected salaries of 90k in Germany as they were saving more in India.
True... I come from Eastern Europe and when I hear that there are germans working for 50k as software engineers I can just laugh. Even in my country you earn more than that after taxes. It is definitely not worth it to work for under 80k.
If all Germans work in big techs like Asians in Germany, you probably would not survive one day. You even have nowhere to buy food and no shelter to sleep
@@lorep7412 This is probably one of the biggest gripes of people who are educated. The pay is way too low in Germany, while the firms are not paying high corporate and the average worker is paying at least a third of their income.
That is totally up to you. If you want to have a look at how things are here, visiting will definitely give you an impression. Remember, though, that visiting a place and living in a place tend to be different experiences. I visited Germany briefly (1 day) for a job interview before moving here.
@@simplegermany wanted to say thank you for taking the time to respond , your answer definitely helped me. Thank you for your help and love all the work Y’all are doing.
Now germany is going to be worse and worse low salary i mean net.. people outside of germany they think salary is very high in fact nearly half of our wage we pay taxes so a good example 47k gross euros a year net 27k if we compared same wage to netherlands or uk salary in NL is about 32k net in UK is about 37k net
That is true. I told the HR I want 5000€ in my bank account each month, otherwise I am not moving to Germany. They gave me over 100k, crazy how high the taxes are 😵
Germany is a good country if you have manufacturing experience. In Chemical, food and beverage, automobile and metallurgy industries. Salaries way above those mentionned here. Everything else just stay where you are. You welcome.
Man are paid more on avrage compared to woman cause on average we work more hours... myth busted 10 years ago... Do your research before... rest of video is very informative. Good job
regarding gender, be aware this these numbers are averages. it doesn't have to be related with discrimination. some months ago the german goverment released an study about this gap and found out that 75% of this gap can be easily explained by women making different choices e.g women choosing less well-paid careers, fewer extra hours etc.
salaries are based on many things and not just the gender as you make it to be. Even on the same position other factors can affect this, experience, results, etc. eg. My gf is making more than her colleagues because she gets better and more accurate results on her job. Should we lower he salary to the rest of the colleagues because they don't do the job as well as she? I don't think she would like that. or that would matter only if she was getting less than the male ones. Assuming that your data were for a man/woman on the same position, on the same sector, on the same size company, and they both had the same experience, providing the same results, working the same hours , then that would be true. So far this has not been proven. As a matter of fact a couple of years ago, after this was brought into Google, Google did perform an analysis to the salaries of their employees. The result was that the women were having higher salaries than their men counterparts. lay down all the data not just what looks nice.
I wish i knew how yt ranks comments, id really like to know why there are comments at the top talking about political views or expressing a distaste with the provided values, this content is clearly for people considering or are already planning to move, if your not even interested in Germany at all then kindly go away, your input is not very productive
6:49 thats all jobs over all professions and experiences and all working hours.. no matter wether it's 34 or 60hours a week, don't act as if a woman gets for the same job and the same experience 20% less .. that's utter nonsense and here 9:49 you go into details why men tend to earn more than women .. because women look for different benefits due to have different expectations to fulfill to be deemed attractive
because bigger cities offer more mini-jobs where one earns about 520€ per month. in a year, it amounts to around 6300€ a year. since it is calculated as yearly income as well, it brings the average down.
Again its great to show the figures and highlight ohh y is there such a big pay gap ?!?! But unless u investigate and determine the reason behind it youll just end up looking stupid on camera
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No beating around the bushes. Straight to the point . Great as always!
No beating around? Almost 9 minutes till they finally get to the topic of video, but, however no clear answer is given.
wow, not a bot at all
Taxes are crazy in Germany. People argue that you get a lot of social benefits because of that. But still they are too much. You pay a big chunk of your salary for health insurance, still struggle to get doctor's appointments.
In Germany? :D Not small. But pls maybe check in Hungary then..
Tax in scandinavian countries are even higher in germany. Also medical system here in germany is still considered good compared to US or Canada where you sometimes wait for a year to get an appointment to a specialist.
Isn't Healthcare free?
@@GunslingerLv no
@Jhilmil Basu what but usa says it's free in Germany, usa media never lies
"smoothly" is always my best part of the video, brings an instant smile. Also, what an excellent video, clear&crisp.
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To me personally, it's about starting _from_ somewhere. What both of you mention about your first jobs and salaries makes perfect sense. You see, I expect no miracles, but I wish to be able or capable of making miracles eventually myself. With all my experience and my knowledge, including having dated someone living in Germany, I find that the quality of life is the real gap. She earned below average salary (for Germany) and she took me on a trip to Bremen and Hannover, she rented a car to take me from the airport and walk me around Dortmund.. and many other nice gestures during my stay. Here in Bulgaria, if I was her, I couldn't afford doing that much for someone visiting me for 10 days. As for the gender gap I am sure it will be dealt with. I'm a woman and we don't have a gender gap in terms of salaries, but in the end of the day how does it matter, if both members of a family fight over bills and basic living expenses. Well, still, the quality of people who would listen and understand is what counts for fighting for a higher salary and warmer hearts. 😉
Gender gap is non existant, just males work longer hours and are more ambitious, also they dont have babies.
Gender pay gap doesn't exist
wtf
Hats down to you 👍 - for your effort and for the quality of your information. Germany should be proud because you help others to discover its culture, system and so on! Thank you, one of the others 😉
Agree with you guys. Definition of a good salary is so subjective and different for every one. Still you covered it so nicely & smooothlyy 😃
Outside of EU, I see a completely different tax system. Once I worked in two start-ups at the same time, and used Russian tax system that allowed me to save almost all income on my hands. So, in my opinion 2,500 euros net is good enough for a life, but when you have 5,000 - 8,000 euros you can forget about prices and live without a headache how to buy something. And when you get more than 10,000 euros per month net you are completely freedom. My best result so far was $13,000 net.
Yes you have mentioned it correctly 5000 plus is a good way to live without fear of any other sudden costs.
Thanks for mentioning Arbeitnow :D
A pleasure, its a great job board! 😊
I had an interview for a tech/lead related role for a pharma company. The salary was really close to 90k a year. But I saw taxes really high and that let me down. I didn't have enough experience for the position either way. But now I realized that was a pretty decent offer.
Thank you so much Jenn and Yovonn for all of your efforts.
A factor that affects a lot of expats is Blue Card vs Work Permit salary requirements. Sometimes as an expat you must be paid higher than colleagues in the team you’re joining because of immigration requirements - more often an issue in small-medium size companies where pay equity hasn’t been figured out yet.
Nice video roundups here on pay topics!
I really liked this video it felt so organized
Oh my goodness, this is video is the main hub of helpfulness. Thank you so much 😊🙏
Living in Stuttgart would consider a family household gross income of at least 100.000 € as fine. With that you don‘t have to worry about costs of living as long as you don‘t need luxury.
do you mean gross or net income
@@andrewdirrell7497 Gross income. Thats about 60000 € - 65000 € net income.
@@Suctess danke
You shouldn't use the average income, you should use the median income which is a much better representation of the concept you are trying to convey. The average values can be skewed by unusually low or unusually high salaries.
Most people I know even hit 36k gross salary (Bruttolohn), the majority is even under 30k. As for the gender pay gap, I encourage watching the interview between Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson (a bit long but free here on YT). Greetings from Hamburg.
It's however important to mention that living in Germany you have access to many amenities and infrastructure not available to you in other countries unless you hire someone yourself or you pay a net price for it.
From Feli and Josh now I am about to know you too . Just can't wait to see all your videos and hard work you have done till now
The social contributions you need to pay in Germany can be quite high. Health insurance costs can be exorbitant, and accessing specialist doctors can be challenging. Waiting times can be long, sometimes leading to critical situations before receiving treatment, often resulting in visits to the emergency department.
I am a senior software engineer in Berlin and 70k for >9 years of experience is low. Aim for 85k. Unless you get equity.
Yes, 85k is a much more suitable salary, 70k is for 3 yrs of experience
OMG I'm from Guatemala too! Thanks for this video!
Hey Jen & Yvonne, just a friendly tip - noticed in this video and your latest one on Tax returns that you are saying Gross with a short o sound like in Loss.
Its actually pronounced with the longer o like in Grow (then add the ss on the end!) ;-)
Thank you very much! So it’s like when you say: “ewww that’s gross?” 😁
@@simplegermany Haha yes pretty much, just with a little less ewww! 😁
You two are highly entertaining and feed off of each other which makes it a pleasure to watch. As you mentioned, using averages can high some pretty wide variations in the numbers. I live in Southern NJ and while my salary here would most likely put me in the top 5% once I travel 30 miles north closer to NYC my "ranking" falls dramatically. Housing, Insurance and Property taxes take a much bigger chunk out of those paychecks so it tend to even out. I know that in Germany, they take out a percentage for National Health Insurance and was curious of that was just based on salary or do they take into account total family size. Here in the US its kind of a mish-mash as most companies provide Insurance as part of the compensation packages and your cost can be all over the map depending on number of dependents. I have a colleague whose company pays 100% of family health costs and I pay about 250/month for a family of 4. Thanks!
It's 14 % of your salary, I guess. 7 % your part, 7 % your employers part.
So from say 3 grand you pay roughly 420 bucks health insurance, but as I said it is divided between you and your boss.
So 210 and you're covered for everything.
At one point in your income you have no choice anymore and have to change from public to private insurance.
That's around 5 grand, I guess?
Difference between the two.
No waiting times anymore as a privately insured patient at doctors/dentists. Room in the hospital can be yours alone.
They pay more for your teeth, but you can get an additional insurance for real small money to even that out as a publicly insured.
Like 5 bucks a month or so...
Glasses and jackets in your teethset are not covered by public insurance.
The first one is really bad, if you ask me, because glasses are freaking expensive.
Nevertheless...5 bucks insurance on your glasses and you get new ones for free, if they break somehow, including you being tipsy stepping on them.
The Percentage for health insurance is from your income alone, on average 15,6% (of which you pay half) up until 59.850 EUR per year in 2023. If there is more income, this will then be free. Your familiy is covered by your health insurance as long as their individual income is low (
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so happy I found this channel, great information!
Hey, thankyou for making such informative videos. Jen, I'd love to hear about your journey of switching role from customer service to software engineer in Germany. How did that happen? Did you have any tech background? what skills/courses did you take to land a role as software engineer?
We will do a detailed video on it in the future, but we already touch the topic in this video: th-cam.com/video/UJyUtl0BgW8/w-d-xo.html
@@simplegermany Thankyou. Loved it!
@@simplegermany your channel is amazing and I'm so glad I found it, saludos desde Argentina colega!
Great video but maybe in a next one you could go into more detail about the fact, that there is "Tariflohn" and "AT's - Außerhalb Tariflohn". Not sure if this is of interest for your target audience but in Germany still the unions are quite strong and even with an academic grade you are often employed to a certain "salary class - Tarifklasse". Your gross salary in that class is negotiated between the unions and their counterparts, the association of employers for that industry sector, even if you are not member of that union if you have a tarif contract. It has it pros and cons as you might get like an anual 3% increase of income or like in the chemical indsutry 1k€ extra in May without ever negotiating yourself, but on the ohter hand, you can't just go to your boss and negotiate yourself for more.
Very true! Thanks for adding this information! 😊
I think the last sentence is a bit misleading. You can always try to negotiate for more than the Tariflohn, that's just kind of a specific 'minimum wage' for your type of job. But your boss probably will be less willing to discuss wages than in a company where every salary is negotiated individually.
Thanks a lot for the video, Simple Germany!
You’re very welcome 😊
Your channel is amazing. Thank you!
Good salary seems to be at least 8000 euro per month, other is rather poor salary taking into account costs of living
As always its the best content ❤
Great video. Thanks!
Great video but I think you should’ve uses salaries of nurses,doctors,policers,teachers to do this video. That would’ve been more appreciated
You can use the same website to research average salaries of other professions 😊
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The word "gross" is pronounced with a long "O" like go, throw, bow, tow.
These videos are SO helpful! Thank you guys!
everytime i watch a video i think to myself: i love these two :) Jenn is sweet and Yvonne is wholesome
So I am guessing that if my wife and I were to retire in Deutschland, our 70,000 Euro Gross Retirement would be aduquate. We also have our own Health Insurance that would cover us as expats from the U.S. I spent time there in the Military and fell in love with the place. Especially the Rheinland-Pfalz region. When I was there, I did my best to acclimate to the culture and worked very hard not to be the Ugly American G.I.
Again, depending on your lifestyle. But yes it is a very comfy sum.
Best as usual!! Thank you so much! Keep creating great content! Love from a Russian girl in the UAE ❤️👐🏻
Thanks, but mentioning median wages rather than averages is far more informative in this context
Wow i am like... EXACTLY on the average salary
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😅 - it reminds us of Jen 🤣
Oh I just noticed it
Thanks for another great video. Could you please make a video on german pension system.
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great as always thanks!
now i know that i earn more then middle germany salary here in Moscow, but i also want to move to the Germany! )
Should you not consider a median number weighted by a regional purchasing power parity instead?
Great video, but I see some sort of underestimation with the salaries, may be I am wrong. All the people I know closely, my classmates from the university have managed to find better salaries than average salary mentioned here. Many of them got upto 80K gross after their university degree (masters) and most of them managed to get around 60-65K.
It highly depends on the industry and the job profile. As others have pointed out in comments they and their friends earn way below average. That's why its an average and as we state 1/3 earn above and 2/3 earn below average. Now you are aware that you and your friends are part of the above average earners 😉
@@simplegermany I find it funny how indians earn so high salaries (over 80k) in Germany and see Germans that have similar jobs and are happy with 50000€ 😅
@@Micha-bp5om because most indians here are working in tech industry. Actually most of the foreigners from asia.
Yeah, maybe for masters degrees in high paying businesses like IT, engineering and stuff like that.
But Germany is a low wage country overall, ESPECIALLY when it comes to everyday jobs. That drastically drags the average down and creates a depressing conundrum. People in basic jobs think that the 47000 is TOOOONS of money and they can never get that and ofthers casually can earn 80000.
Germany is not a low wage country for everyday jobs. Coming from Portugal (where not being a doctor or a software engineer means you earn very close to minimum wage), it seems like everyone that works makes decent money in Germany. You don't see poverty like you see in Portugal here.
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Dear Simple Germany, would be great if you could please also guide how to establish a retail/departmental business in Germany, many thanks in advance,
We have a guide on how to start your own business: www.simplegermany.com/how-to-start-a-business-in-germany/
@@simplegermany Great, thanks a lot
I just don’t see how it’d be more economical to move over there as many claim
Hello! I recently found your channel and became your new subscriber. Could you also share what the average and high salaries are in Ratingen, Duisburg, and Cologne. Thanks
The gender pay gap is non sense, as it does not compare the same profession, even not the same amount of working hours. What it shows, is the average salary of all women compared to average of all men. This can be any profession, part time work etc. If you compare it on level of same profession it's almost the same (>4%)
ssh, dont spoil the party with facts
Thanks!
Thanks for your super thanks ☺️
7:40 i do not agree with that specially for mid level job(35k-60k). when you are in a big company then it is very likely that you will have a collective agreement for salary that is based on negotiations of the labor union and the employer. you will not be able to negotiate for yourself. if you are bad at negotiating this can be good for you but it also takes away the possibility to get higher wages or getting a raise if you are doing well. smaller companies tend to pay more but also look closer at who they hire...they are really looking if you are worth what they pay for. it is also a good indicator how good you are at what you are doing. if they want to pay you less then the big companies with their collective agreements...they think you are not very good. so if that is the case maybe try a bigger company.
Thank you so much guys.
when talking about average salary based on gender, how is this number based on "same profession"? can you please detail which profession is on your example? average salary you mentioned without mentioning any profession
The average salary takes all the salaries in all of Germany. If you're interested per profession, you can use the link we provide in the description: www.gehalt.de/beruf/berufe-von-a-bis-z
@@simplegermany That wasn’t what the girl on the right said. 7:03 quote “…and that’s based on the same profession”.
Thanks for the clarification
Thank you so much for this insightful video 🙂 I am currently working as a Project Manager in the tech industry in Sri Lanka and making plans to move to Germany by 2023. Could you please tell me a few ways to attract some potential employers and find a Project Manager job in Germany. I already started applying on LinkedIn, however I would like to know other effective ways of finding a good PM job in Germany. Would like to hear your thoughts and suggestions. Thank you very much in advance. 🙂
Fantastic! 😊 we have an entire playlist dedicated to finding a job in Germany which will help you: th-cam.com/play/PLnp3hGZLHcOWdFqddbduUQMC_y_CbP2QV.html
Project Manager jobs in IT in Germany are reserved to Germans because most of them hate programming and doing sth productive, but love talking a lot by saying nothing, sitting in useless meetings with no results and asking others when something will be ready. Even the ones that start as programmers switch soon to leading possitions, leaving for foreigners the technical part. So your chances are quite low to be honest.
@@Micha-bp5om may I ask if you are sharing these based on your past experiences? Thank you for sharing the above 👆
@@purosfoodntravelnetworkper9268 Yes, I have been working in German companies during the last 10 years as a programmer. 4 companies already, same experience everywhere with project managers. I never had a project manager that was non-german and 80% of my software developer colleagues are foreigners.
Look up large international enterprises in Germany and directly write them. Send a follow up about 4 weeks in if you haven't heard of them.
After that it is a lost cause.
large international enterprises, independent where there hq is, have 2 advantages for you:
1. their project teams can usually communicate in english, some of them even have english as official company language
2. they sometimes have specialist helping to relocate.
There are of course also smaller companies that provide the same advantages that are actively hiring project managers. But these are hard to find.
Also linked in is not necessary the main choice for German companies. Email/their website is often preferred.
Regarding nationality of project managers:
A lot of Project Managers are actually German. But I think it is for different reason:
Discussions and negotiations with customers can become quite tricky and quickly turn into a somewhat hostile situation. If people aren't fluent in the language these situations are hard to navigate. Also dialects might cause some issues for foreigners.
And don't let this discourage you: Many contracts and legal documents are in a German legalese which even for Germans is hard to understand. And Amtsdeutsch is even more crazy.
All of which is something a project manager has to deal with.
Make a video on best city to leave in Germany for Indian students...
Please make a Thema about Widow pension like me a Filipina and alone in Germany
sorry - but you startet well - saying there is a huge difference between locations in germany. I am arount Munich location - so a salary around 50k€ or 64k€ is not a good one here - just by the living costs, so houses/rent and so on... is quite high. Being in Leipzig for a my studies and knowing lots of people living there still - this is another story. Still a great city - but a house or flat is still way cheaper - while salary is lower but not that much... if have a proper job. I guess this a general thing for almost all countries... but you shoudl alway compare flat/house situation and pricing first... then check the local salary figures...
How tricky is to rent an apartment for foreigners in Germany? I expect it should be easier in Berlin but it can also cost more compared to other suburban areas.
What would you suggest for a family with 2 kids?
Berlin is the toughest city to find housing in Germany. We have an entire playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLnp3hGZLHcOUrxzmC76EaOMBzT_GtE3zp.html&si=0ZIeQxvjIXJTYgEH and ebook focused on this topic: simplegermany.shop/products/get-your-keys
@@simplegermany Thank you for advice!
Two important things are missing or not really mentioned.
Firstly: As you described the only 1/3 of the Germans earn more than the average. So the more interesting salary is the median salary - which is several thousands less.
Secondly: We're Germany, it is not all that easy here... In order to compare your salary you there is something additional to know: When you negotiate your salary you only pay about half of the social costs. So in your example you earn 4000€ gross, and get 2400 net. Your employer also pays social contributions for you as employee. Which adds about 20% costs to your negotiated salary. So if you negotialte 4000€/month, which means 48000€/year the employer has to pay you 59757€ per year. These additional 11000€ will be be put mostly into the employee's health care and pension contribution. To compare this with foreign countries, this is also part of your salary.
I am happy with my salary when I can have a good meal outside without thinking about the price from time to time. When I don't need to think about grocery shopping. When I am able to have some savings. You cannot have enough savings. Depending on them you can travel or buy things. Without them you're living from day to day, which I also did for a while. I think the need for savings it is good to value the things you buy. If you simply can buy stuff, if you don't need to wait or to work for it, buying appears to be kind of boring and not feel like you did a step upwards.
Money will always never be enough. Even millionaires are not content with what they have. Therefore it is better to realize sooner to chase othe things in life that will make you happy.
why is that right girl looking at that left girl like that
Because I think they are a couple.
yeah :DD @@gerikiss1306
Hey Jen, how did you switch from Customer Service to Software engineer? Did you pursue any course in germany?
I talk about my journey here: th-cam.com/video/BPqcJAr0F78/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5EkSDIHNaq56-phh
so the gross salary in munich is below the average gross salary in germany??
Could you please make a video on the process to renew the resident permit (Blue card)?
Is there a pay gap when you compare genders in the same job AND same experience? Or did you take a total here that doesn't regard that women more likely take parenting time than men. 47K average is ridiculous. Go check the mean salary, that differs a lot. Regular workers in regular jobs do not earn more than 25K gross a year. This database is totally misleading because the split of society in poor and rich is getting bigger and bigger. Maybe worth a follow-up video?
I arrived to Germany in Summer 2017 with a salary of 23.500€ brutto (IT techniker) now 5 years later I get 70000€ brutto (Project Manager)
That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing!
Which country out of interest has the smallest pay gap?
gender pay gap is not real , it is competence pay gap . male female others dont matter . Most owners of startups are men . The more you take risks the more chances you make more money or go broke. Most people that are homeless are men. Most people in jail are men . Most people dying on ukraine war are men . Why people dont talk about gender equality there?
Anyone know a custom broker that deals in personal effects here in Germany? Struggling finding any.
There is no proof that Gender is a reason for gender pay gap. The pay gap wich is not reasonable from other reasons then gender (part time, education, experience, job type you choose) is about 2% of salary.
So don't think an software engineer would get payed a lot more in average with male gender or less as female
Plz make a video on data science
Could you tell me if age is problematic when it comes to finding jobs? It wont be easy to work with German, is it possible using English or french and italian for the begeining? They are many ifs! I am sorry, any adress for international Marketing management
BASICALLY THIS VIDEO DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION THE TITLE POSED. Thanks.
We do from minute 8:27.
I have an honours in logistics hw is the job market for that in Germany
Having lived in Bali for years , $500 US is living like a Sultan, that same figure in D is total poverty
Ok, this vid was nice but I still have the same questions as before I clicked on it:
1. For you money isnt everything, but for a foreigner already working in the country for 1-2 years, money IS important
2. What actually is acceptable/traditional to ask for in a Salary discussion? I am from Mexico, but dont know the estimates or legal brackets for this discussions
3. Someone told me these salary discussion derived increases in your yearly salary are regulated by German law depending on your age, education degree, experience and (maybe) economy. Do you know which website is that?
Sorry you did not find the answers you were looking for. You could look for the average salary for your profession in the city you are interested in living in (www.gehalt.de/beruf/berufe-von-a-bis-z). That will give you a baseline to negotiate your salary. If you're getting too low of an offer, it is up to you to calculate your costs of living and see if it's worth taking the job as a first step into the country. If not, then feel free to negotiate with your employer. There are no hard rules as to how to negotiate. Ask for what you think is fair and see what the company comes back with.
I have not heard that the salary discussions are regulated by German law. It is true that the salary is based on your age, education degree, experience, size of the company, and company per se. So just go for it.
I ld say as a rough example any body who is taking top gros salary in Germany pays amazingly super high contributions and taxes , and if you are in the situation that you are young and still want to check where you are heading , and you dont want to buy a home for example , the chances of getting any taxes back are kind of 0
Ridiculous. Medical Doctor in Thuringia here. I get 63k gross, 35k netto per year. Ridiculously underpaid
interesting view. In our Indians in Germany facebook group, most Indians consider a salary less than 80k euro too less. I know many who rejected salaries of 90k in Germany as they were saving more in India.
True... I come from Eastern Europe and when I hear that there are germans working for 50k as software engineers I can just laugh. Even in my country you earn more than that after taxes. It is definitely not worth it to work for under 80k.
If all Germans work in big techs like Asians in Germany, you probably would not survive one day. You even have nowhere to buy food and no shelter to sleep
@@lorep7412 This is probably one of the biggest gripes of people who are educated. The pay is way too low in Germany, while the firms are not paying high corporate and the average worker is paying at least a third of their income.
Would you say you need to visit Germany before deciding moving there ?
That is totally up to you. If you want to have a look at how things are here, visiting will definitely give you an impression. Remember, though, that visiting a place and living in a place tend to be different experiences. I visited Germany briefly (1 day) for a job interview before moving here.
@@simplegermany wanted to say thank you for taking the time to respond , your answer definitely helped me. Thank you for your help and love all the work Y’all are doing.
Now germany is going to be worse and worse low salary i mean net.. people outside of germany they think salary is very high in fact nearly half of our wage we pay taxes so a good example 47k gross euros a year net 27k if we compared same wage to netherlands or uk salary in NL is about 32k net in UK is about 37k net
That is true. I told the HR I want 5000€ in my bank account each month, otherwise I am not moving to Germany. They gave me over 100k, crazy how high the taxes are 😵
@@Micha-bp5om Am still curious to know your field. Only CEOs and politician s make 6 figures here. And yeah the more you earn, the more taxes you pay.
@@humaniod-robotics I am a software engineer
Germany is a good country if you have manufacturing experience. In Chemical, food and beverage, automobile and metallurgy industries. Salaries way above those mentionned here. Everything else just stay where you are. You welcome.
I left Germany because of high tax. Currently living in Ireland and now am beggar
Man are paid more on avrage compared to woman cause on average we work more hours... myth busted 10 years ago... Do your research before... rest of video is very informative. Good job
regarding gender, be aware this these numbers are averages. it doesn't have to be related with discrimination. some months ago the german goverment released an study about this gap and found out that 75% of this gap can be easily explained by women making different choices e.g women choosing less well-paid careers, fewer extra hours etc.
do they pay per year or per month?
Per month
salaries are based on many things and not just the gender as you make it to be.
Even on the same position other factors can affect this, experience, results, etc.
eg. My gf is making more than her colleagues because she gets better and more accurate results on her job. Should we lower he salary to the rest of the colleagues because they don't do the job as well as she? I don't think she would like that.
or that would matter only if she was getting less than the male ones.
Assuming that your data were for a man/woman on the same position, on the same sector, on the same size company, and they both had the same experience, providing the same results, working the same hours , then that would be true. So far this has not been proven. As a matter of fact a couple of years ago, after this was brought into Google, Google did perform an analysis to the salaries of their employees. The result was that the women were having higher salaries than their men counterparts.
lay down all the data not just what looks nice.
I wish i knew how yt ranks comments, id really like to know why there are comments at the top talking about political views or expressing a distaste with the provided values, this content is clearly for people considering or are already planning to move, if your not even interested in Germany at all then kindly go away, your input is not very productive
You seem to be obsessed a lot with average salary. Average salary (the figures mentioned) has no connection with expenses and inflation.
That’s why we have a different video on the cost of living 😉
6:49 thats all jobs over all professions and experiences and all working hours.. no matter wether it's 34 or 60hours a week, don't act as if a woman gets for the same job and the same experience 20% less .. that's utter nonsense
and here 9:49 you go into details why men tend to earn more than women .. because women look for different benefits due to have different expectations to fulfill to be deemed attractive
The average salary for the whole country is 47k and average salary in the most expensive cities is 46-47k? 😂
because bigger cities offer more mini-jobs where one earns about 520€ per month. in a year, it amounts to around 6300€ a year. since it is calculated as yearly income as well, it brings the average down.
Gender pat gap automatically made you guys so uncreditable for this.
Gross sounds like groceries, boss, grovel, etc..
My gf earns 20k more than me 😂😂😂 I'm civil engineer, she's doctor
u know that u r the best?
Wie viel verdient man als Arzt in Deutschland ? Als Assistenzarzt
You can check this to get a rough idea: www.gehalt.de/beruf/arzt-aerztin
Better also watch ‚Doctor in Germany‘ channel
Again its great to show the figures and highlight ohh y is there such a big pay gap ?!?! But unless u investigate and determine the reason behind it youll just end up looking stupid on camera