CORRECTION TO VIDEO: The image for the Captain of Saudi Flight 163 is incorrect. That is the correct image for the Captain of Pan Am 1736 shown later in the video. If you found value in this video then you'd probably enjoy the 10 DEADLIEST Air Show Disasters In History! 👉 th-cam.com/video/4D-DOsz7xfw/w-d-xo.html I appreciate your patience and understanding if there are any other mistakes. It took quite a bit of effort to produce this video and I watched it dozens of times trying to catch any errors. Thanks!
I wanted to be a pilot in my younger years, even took a ground school course and got to fly a Cessna 172, for about 5 minutes. However, times were tough and I didn't have the money to continue my education. I volunteered at the Wings Over Houston air show for about 16 years. My brother and his son and I flew on the B17, Texas Raider once. The one that was lost during the Dallas Airshow. You did a video on that. Hard to watch because we knew all the pilots and crew of both those planes. I appreciate your hard work in providing these videos. I've learned alot from them, even though I'm not a pilot. You very neutral in your comments and don't judge or mock the people involved. Getting a picture wrong for the video is fine with me. I figured it was a mistake. Thank you for making these videos. I'm sure you're helping many people to pay attention to what they doing and supposed to be doing. Take care Hoover. Thanks again. Sorry for the essay.
You're doing a wonderful job! Don't fret about the wrong pic. It absolutely does take a lot off effort to make a video. We all appreciate what you do. Lord bless & keep keep you and your family ❤🙏
@@pilot-debrief ... Hoover, I like your longer videos, however, I know some accidents can't always be made long to cover / explain. ... I prefer it when you cover large airliners by the way.
The amount of time put into making this video is much appreciated. I didn't think I would watch the entire video at once, but I did. Merry Christmas, everyone.
Actually it only takes him a few minutes to make these. He used to be a disclaimer guy for commercials, so when making these videos he speaks at 16x speed, and then slows down the recording during editing. About 5-10 minutes total.
I have no desire to pilot an aircraft, but these videos you create present many valuable life lessons and I find them so compelling, beyond the tragic stories.
On the Tenerife disaster, I've read that the KLM Captain was also rushing because he was up against a "Working Hours Limit" and allowed the pressure to depart on time to influence his decision making.
There is a detailed episode of a aviation air disaster series that talked to that. That episode had more details than Hoover talked to. Part of the decision for KLM to take on fuel was due to the KLM captain worrying of hitting crews time limit.
00:39 Aeroflot 5143 05:54 China 676 11:37 Air India 855 14:43 Air France 447 21:36 Korean 801 27:45 China 140 33:25 American 587 39:08 Saudia 163 44:17 Saudi 763 & Khazakstan 907 47:31 KLM 4805 & Pan Am 1763 (Tenerife)
Great video as always Hoover. Never hurts to do a recap like this. We tend to want to forget these tragedies but if we don't learn from then we will repeat them.
My first thought was that a disaster video is questionably appropriate for Christmas. While watching, I realized that your reminders to keep your head in the game, avoid impulsive decisions, and never assume the infallibility of others are wonderful gifts; not only to pilots, but to us non-pilots. Good advice translates to any activity. Thank you for helping us stay safe. And Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Hoover, you and your videos make it very easy for non-pilots like me to understand why these tragedies happen. I'm glad I found your channel. Safe flying to you and everyone else.
I remember the Canary Island crash all too well. I was just 12 or so, my dad was an Air Force dentist at Dove AFB. This accident turned him into the air forces Forensic Dentist. I remember the media all over, and us kids told not to say anything. This was back before computers and my dad had the job of identifying all the victims one by one manually. He was up all night for months staring at picture slides on his screen. This lead to him being called on for the Jim Jones Guyana horror, to identify all of them, and to my dad being called for any and all specialized identification jobs throughout his 34 year Air Force carrier. After he passed away, we found the thousands of dental slides he had taken of that gruesome Island accident. How that man handled all that his entire life I will never know. He was a very talented and incredibly great man. Sorry to babble, guess it hit a spot in me.
My grandparents were on holidays at Tenerife then and I saw pics in the media of the disaster I shouldnt have seen as a 6 y/o. And it is good they weren't on the KLM flight back to Amsterdam. I cant imagine what your father has seen. Also, the daughter of Captain van Zanten has struggled with this her whole life and she never dared to go to commemorations nor talk to families of the victims, she felt it was not her place b/c her dad was responsible, if even partially. Now she goes though. I think that is great. It was an interview with her in a Dutch newspaper.
OK once I went ahead and asked my question. I noticed the addendum on your statement about that one pilot that shouldn’t have been shown in the last video. Thank you I thought I was losing it. Another great video. I’m just sorry so many people have died. New member to the channel thank you for all your hard work
I have seen a few of these crashes on Mayday air disaster but I have found that you break things down very precisely and in ways that the other shows don't even mention. I love these videos.
Thanks for this video, Hoover. This year I landed at Los Rodeos as a passenger on a flight from La Palma, and visited the memorial in the hills above the airport.
The pitot icing incident give me flashbacks to one of my early solo flights where there was a full pitot/static blockage on climb out. Instilled a healthy respect for air travel/safety early on. And make sure someone didn't wash your plane prior to taking it out in sub zero temps! Nice change of pace video Hoover👌
Talk about an early Christmas present! A 55-minute video from Pilot Debrief on a quiet Sunday morning? Yes please - what a perfect way to wake up over coffee & cakes while getting top-notch safety instruction.
I am an aviation enthusiast, albeit somewhat of a layman in the field. What I like about your videos is your meticulous analysis of the risk factors - singular and compounded - that may have contributed to a disastrous outcome. Well done and keep up the excellent work!
Because of these videos, when I'm greeted by a pilot on a commercial flight I just look him in the eyes and say "I know more than you" and take my seat. They then give me $100 and 3 fingers if whiskey on the house. And the plane flies faster.
I’ve always struggled to learn with someone speaking in a classroom environment. With his cadence and inflection, I could pass a test given immediately after any of Hoover’s videos, without any review. So enjoyable.
Hello Hoover. Saudi flight 163 always breaks my heart. I wonder what would have happened if the cabin crew would have evacuated without the captain’s permission. Another disaster that really bothers me is the Japan Airlines Flight 123. Thank you for covering these disasters with sensitivity and compassion. Happy Holidays.
I went through C-141 flight training with Ed States back in 1983/84 at Altus AFB, and then on many missions with him out of McGuire AFB through the ‘80s. He was a hell of a nice guy and a sharp pilot. Such a tragic loss.
Glad you mentioned the one captain's picture being incorrect. I remember reading about the "Ghost of Flight 401" years ago and when I saw the same captain's pic, I was beginning to think "another ghost"!
@@FYMASMD You're the weird one to misquote what the OP said so you can try and use it against them. No where do they say it excites them. For all you know she might find it perfect to listen to while grocery shopping because it gets her mind off of doing a chore she hates. Speaking of chores: "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery/Pioneering Aviator & author ("The Little Prince").😊✈
I have been disappointed Hoover did not include Turkish Air crash in Paris in 1974. This one was particularly horrendous and investigation showed american corporation’s attitude very well…!
@ Just to make sure I’m following you correctly, “You’re disappointed that he made a list of the top 10 deadliest”, and you thought he should’ve added in the ‘74 Turkish Air crash?” Okay so which one should come out so yours would go in? Or do you think it should’ve been a top 11 list? 🤦🏻♂️
Wow! I think the biggest horror is all of these disasters were avoidable, but that was the idea of the video, it's amazing though that experienced professional pilots simply forget to fly the aircraft and watch instrumentation. Great Video as always Hoover. A very merry Christmas to you and yours form the UK.
Thank you again for another excellent video reminding us of the chilling and disastrous effects that can occur when caution and procedure are ignored or put aside.
These rank among the most compelling videos on youtube. No matter how advanced civil aviation gets to be, nothing can guarantee safety against the constant risk of human error.
Really appreciate the work involved in this longer format video Hoover! Great video as always, watched in full as soon as it came up I briefly held a UK PPL many years ago, back when you could keep it with just 5 hours a year I realised that I probably wouldn't be doing many more hours than that, and figured in the event of even a minor problem, I wouldn't be current enough to know I'd do everything right So I gave it up Every time I watch one of yours or Juan Browne's videos I realise I made the right decision
Man, there sure seems to be a lot of "failure to understand" in the cockpits of commercial aviation. Good job Hoover. Always to the point and full of great information.
I never used to be afraid of flying and naively always trust the pilots. It’s shocking the energy in the cockpit…Of course not always but more than I had ever thought.
@@JMBZell and now with the DEI hiring practices and the rush to get pilots in the cockpits and unqualified controllers in the towers, if you pay attention, you will see more accidents I'm afraid.
@@kamakaziozzie3038 if one follows these aviation threads that report instances, one will find that runway excursions, collisions on the ramps, landings and T/O uncoordinated.....getting worse, not better. Controllers are being hired based on inclusion and not qualifications. They have no common sense about anything. I will do everything I can to not have to get on an airplane for travel.
That would mean, NOT FLYING on 99.999 percent of all take offs World wide....so, calling for a Uber, Lyft or Yellow cab instead. No Hoover?....I'm walking.
Hoover, you spoil us! 1 hour Pilot Debrief? Santa came early this year. Happy holidays to you, your family, and all the community. Best wishes for the brightest of New Years!
I am an old woman who doesn't fly a plane and doesn't want to. I just find your channel fascinating. You do a great job teaching, and I was a science teacher for 30 years and I like your approach to explaining complicated ideas and making them understandable!
It never ceases to amaze me how many of these tragedies are caused by lack of basic airmanship from pilots with decades of experience. One thing that was drilled into me while getting my IFR ticket was Pitch + Power = Performance. In other words, at a particular power setting (RPM), and a particular pitch (nose up, nose down, or level flight), you will get a particular airspeed. If you lose your airspeed indicator, but have pitch and engine power instruments working, you should know approx. what the a/c will do at any normal attitude and power setting. I lost my airspeed indicator due to icing once. I'd forgotten to turn on the pitot heat, and when I hit the icing layer, I lost airspeed indication about 30 seconds later. I knew what had happened, so I hit the pitot heat switch. It took about 30 seconds for the pitot to thaw, so I had no airspeed indication. No biggie, as I knew what my engine RPM was, and I knew my pitch angle, so there was no need to panic. (There were plenty of other reasons to panic, but that's for a long conversation over scotch and a cigar. *That* story won't get written out online.) After the pitot system thawed out, my airspeed indicator leaped into life and we continued the flight.
With years of experience, there is always the danger of routine lurking. And routine can lead to slackening of attention for the daily routine actions in procedures.
Great compilation, Hoover! Whether you're a pilot or a nurse, we can never stop learning. Seconds count. I feel so badly for the ones behind the pilot, three minutes of sheer terror must seem like an eternity. I pray their families have found peace. Thank you so much for being the top of my favorite channels, Hoover! Lord bless & keep you, your family, and all. ❤🙏 Merry Christmas to all & a wonderful New Year!❤
Watching this (yet another excellent video by Hoover), it's tempting to remain firmly planted on the ground. Then I remind myself that this "top ten" list took place over a span of decades and that around the world, thousands of commercial flights successfully complete their travels every single day - check the real time map on Flight Aware to get a visual. Thanks for all you do Hoover. Even though I'm not a pilot, I always look forward to your videos each week. Take good care & Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Risk needs to be taken in perspective. You are correct with the number of aircraft in the sky it is remarkable how few accidents there are. I look at the congested maps and think - 'how is that possible so many aircraft in the sky day and night all over (most) of the world'
So many of these comes down to "pilots panic in stall conditions and pull back on the stick, when they need to push forward to regain the correct angle of attack". Like, how is this not DRILLED INTO THEM CONSTANTLY after so many tragic accidents???
I read somewhere that once there's sufficient stress, a whole cascade of errors often follow, thus making it even harder to correct the original error.
It's sobering how often they are pulling back rather than forward. It's just baffling since most modern planes have really loud "Stall" warning indicators both audio and visual. Probably in panic situations humans tune out.
I ❤ your videos. You are so thorough when you explain things. And do it in such a way, that doesn't make someome like me, who has no clue, feel stupid, or need to go look things up. You dont talk down to your audience. And you have such a soothing, calm voice. I wish you the very best of the new year
Ich bin kein Pilot und auch schon zu alt, um einer zu werden. Aber die Herangehensweise mit Briefing und Debriefing finde ich einfach klasse! Die Welt wäre ein viel besserer Ort, wenn Alles so sorgfältig behandelt würde wie die Luftfahrt, auch die militärische. Firmen würde besser funktionieren, Staaten würden besser funktionieren und vor Allem alle Arten von Beziehungen! Danke für diese klaren bespielhaften Analysen!
I couldn't disagree more. Sounds to me like ego in the cockpit overode sensibilities of sound cockpit management causing hundreds if not thousands of unnecessary deaths.
As an airline captain myself, I can't say anything I really would like to say about these "professional pilots" without TH-cam canceling me out and banning me forever.
@isabellind1292 I have some insight as a passenger. I don't remember the plane, but it was a short flight, so a small plane (2 hr flight). I booked tickets in row 2 and sat maybe 10 feet from the cockpit door. It was a smooth trip, but I was able to hear some sounds from the cockpit, but I can ask a flight attendant the next time I'm on a flight since I'm curious now too! Yt sensors so much that conversations that could actually be beneficial in general are nearly impossible to have. I'm imagining the same type of names you'd call a cursin' wrench in a stressful day.
Seriously? Spit it out, buddy. I could see if you were concerned about your airline's management team taking you to task, but why would any TH-cam moderator get upset about a little "truth-telling"? COME ON, Captain... spill yer guts!
@michaelscott356 No, it is not my airline stopping me from commenting on TH-cam. The problem is that TH-cam is controlled by weak, Beta males and a bunch of ahls. These people immediately give you a strike or remove your comment and then tell you that you are violating their rules because your comments are offensive to others or that you are "cyberbullying others" that's the problem here. In fact, this comment is the first one that I am allowed to post after being blocked for 24 hours for violating their rules.
@@michaelscott356 I replied to this comment a couple of days ago that has since been removed by yt. Even if it was stated, it would be removed because we don't have rights online apparently.
@@michaelscott356I’m shadow banned. Many of my TH-cam comments never even get posted and I don’t get notifications any more all because I had some thoughts on what should be done to Pe do files from a Chris Hansen video.
Clearly I’ve been watching airline disaster videos for far too long because I’d heard of all of these disasters! It’s been enlightening to hear Hoover’s take on them, though!
It is always a pleasure to hear another Pilot Debrief. One disaster you did not include that would be very high on my list was the midair collision over southern Germany with Swiss ATC and a Russian Tupalov BTC jet colliding with a DHL cargo jet. Many children died. What makes it significant was how the TCAS warnings were not understood when ATC was giving them conflicting instructions from the TCAS, showing how TCAS training was not yet consistent or well understood as always being a priority. This also shows how ATC can become involved in an error, certainly not intentionally, but this tragic accident does show an outcome stemming from a disastrous alignment with the holes in a very large chunk of Swish cheese. It also connects the dots as it were with the people in a small town when suddenly, bodies were raining down on them (many of them children), and how difficult that must have been to see.
When instances where the attitude indicator goes bad (Flight 855) would having a simple plumb bob hanging somewhere near the instrument panel help you understand more quickly that you have a problem with the indicator and make the proper adjustment to your attitude? Just a crazy early morning thought I had because I when I watch these videos, spatial disorientation seems like a horrible way to go.
Hey Hoover, great coverage, as always. I like the longer format this time & while I’m somewhat familiar with most of these, I actually didn’t know about the mid-air collision over Saudi Arabia. BTW 🚨👉🏻 One thing tho that I think got overlooked…this video uses the same picture of Pan Am 747 pilot Victor Grubbs as the pilot of the Saudi flight that burned on the ground after an unexplained failure to evacuate the plane.
I was wondering if you were going to do Tenerife. It’s always been a mystery to me how a pilot with so much experience like Jacob Van Zantaan could do something like that.😢 I’ll never forget that terrible day, because it happened on my birthday. I was only nine years old, but I always remember the date in 1977.😢
Attended CRM classes yearly and the Saudi cargo fire incident was always briefed. As a C-141 and then a C-5 loadmaster, that one was always of particular interest because of the cargo fire. We had an APU fire on a C-5 after landing in Iceland and we had to evac 73 passengers from the passenger compartment. Fun times.
The Air Force flew my Marine squadron (minus our F-4's 😊) from California to Virginia in 3 141's. I was impressed by those big boys. But then about five years later, I saw a Galaxy up close in Puerto Rico. It was "Holy Crap!"
Both parents of a fellow college student of mine were killed in the Tenerife disaster. I'll always remember that. The chilling thing about the KLM captain Van Zanten (who was also the chief instructor pilot for KLM) is that immediately after the crash, KLM was looking for him to send him to Tenerife to aid in the investigation. Shortly thereafter, they learned that he was the captain on THIS flight. Informative video, as always.
At 19 minutes, I always wonder if the pilot seats are close enough that one could punch the other in the face to stop him doing something dumb like continuing to pull up. Sometimes someone needs a physical shock to snap out of it.
@@technowelliebobs4779 he clearly didn't. Both he and the captain realized only when Bonin told them he was still pulling the stick but it was already too late.
It's crazy how fixated that dude was on pulling back on his joystick. Hoover didn't cover it, but even when the captain told him to stop pulling back, and the other FO took over the controls, nevertheless they went into the water with Bonin still pulling hard back on his joystick. Incredible. These debriefs have taught me that some people just do not have the right mental faculties to handle flying a complex machine, and should never have been pilots.
I listen to both you and 74 Gear. I love both programs. I really enjoy your aspect of flights and problems, and causes. I've never done much flying, but I enjoyed my trip from SLC to DFW to SGF. Went to Branson, MO to see Jay Osmond in concert. Great concert. I enjoyed all my flights even to the point of trying to identifying V1 and Rotate.
14:43 My aunt was on Flight 447, the Air France crash in 2009. I still remember my mom getting the call from my grandma that the plane had dissappeared while we were sitting in the frontyard...
Only flown a back seat sightseeing ride in a Cessna, one time, flying sims happily, here to learn from debriefs! picking up new tough lessons all the time here!
Brother.. The pilots pics of Saudi lockheed tristar and the teneriffe disaster are the same.. You missed out the Pakistani captains mistake who did a unstab approach and bellied the aircraft eventually crashing the aircraft during the second approach..
A well produced video. Very well done. Frankly, I thought you mostly did GA related debriefings so this was a pleasant surprise. Not because of the topics, which are all heavy stories of their own of course but the big airliners put in an hour long video. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.
Now I am admittedly not a pilot, but it seems to be that some rather simple and inexpensive things could be done to at least mitigate this problem. A good fish-eye level bubble costs about $100 at most, and an LED behind it would run maybe another $5. It would take up all of maybe 4 sq in. One with concentric circles would even give a rough angle of attack. Being a surveyor I am familiar with these levels, but they are so simple it boggles the mind how pilots can lose orientation so easily when it is so simple a concept and so easy to fix. Rule #1 in surveying- if it looks wrong or feels wrong, it probably is.
Just discovered this channel and I love it! I read a book called “Pilot Error” probably about 25 years ago. The stories were exactly like these. Very interesting, thank you!
Thanks for this extra interesting and illuminating video. I love your channel and enjoy your approach. And I could tell you were at least in the military-I was in the uUSAF as well and your delivery and matter of fact non dramatic delivery feels awesomely familiar. A lot of our county is a mess, but the Air Force is incredible.
And to think yesterday I learned how to land a passenger aircraft in case of an emergency from another pilot. ( Mentour Pilot). You guys will have us all pilots in no time.😂 Merry Christmas Hoover! 🎄
CORRECTION TO VIDEO: The image for the Captain of Saudi Flight 163 is incorrect. That is the correct image for the Captain of Pan Am 1736 shown later in the video.
If you found value in this video then you'd probably enjoy the 10 DEADLIEST Air Show Disasters In History! 👉 th-cam.com/video/4D-DOsz7xfw/w-d-xo.html
I appreciate your patience and understanding if there are any other mistakes. It took quite a bit of effort to produce this video and I watched it dozens of times trying to catch any errors. Thanks!
I wanted to be a pilot in my younger years, even took a ground school course and got to fly a Cessna 172, for about 5 minutes. However, times were tough and I didn't have the money to continue my education.
I volunteered at the Wings Over Houston air show for about 16 years. My brother and his son and I flew on the B17, Texas Raider once.
The one that was lost during the Dallas Airshow. You did a video on that. Hard to watch because we knew all the pilots and crew of both those planes.
I appreciate your hard work in providing these videos. I've learned alot from them, even though I'm not a pilot. You very neutral in your comments and don't judge or mock the people involved.
Getting a picture wrong for the video is fine with me. I figured it was a mistake.
Thank you for making these videos. I'm sure you're helping many people to pay attention to what they doing and supposed to be doing.
Take care Hoover. Thanks again.
Sorry for the essay.
Hey Hoover, is it possible that the Pan Am first officers picture or age is incorrect? That man looks way older than 39…
Can you do a video on MH 370? I’d like your opinion on what might have happened.
@@schnitzelforce3404 Probably a later photo. Bob Bragg was the "go to" guy for interviews about that crash for years.
You're doing a wonderful job! Don't fret about the wrong pic. It absolutely does take a lot off effort to make a video. We all appreciate what you do. Lord bless & keep keep you and your family ❤🙏
A 55 minute Pilot Debrief video?! YES PLEASE
Let me know what you think when you’re done watching!
Thinking the same thing, also super respect a collection of stories in under an hour and not one of those slog fest 2h+ vids. Thanks Hoover!
Your welcome! Merry Christmas! 🎄
Yes!!
@@pilot-debrief ... Hoover, I like your longer videos, however, I know some accidents can't always be made long to cover / explain. ... I prefer it when you cover large airliners by the way.
Suggestion: Next Christmas, how about one with good cheer. The ten most miraculous pilot saves.
Good idea. Make me think of miracle on the Hudson( I think that was the name of it)
I love that idea!!
This is such a great idea!
Pilots and airlines probably keep their close calls quiet. A save generally comes after a massive cock up 😅
@bingbong4848 There are some pretty good ones from WW2. ... and this request has more than a year lead time. 😀
The amount of time put into making this video is much appreciated.
I didn't think I would watch the entire video at once, but I did.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Thank you!
Same here but, great videos'!
Actually it only takes him a few minutes to make these. He used to be a disclaimer guy for commercials, so when making these videos he speaks at 16x speed, and then slows down the recording during editing. About 5-10 minutes total.
I have no desire to pilot an aircraft, but these videos you create present many valuable life lessons and I find them so compelling, beyond the tragic stories.
Maybe flying in one of these situations, you could go up to the cockpit and give the pilots some tips. "Push down you dummy!!" hehe
On the Tenerife disaster, I've read that the KLM Captain was also rushing because he was up against a "Working Hours Limit" and allowed the pressure to depart on time to influence his decision making.
Plus they were too heavy bc they refueled more than necessary🥺 so much that went wrong on that day.
Van Zanten took on more fuel he did not require & the position of the KLM 747 blocked the Pan Am 747 from leaving first.
There is a detailed episode of a aviation air disaster series that talked to that. That episode had more details than Hoover talked to. Part of the decision for KLM to take on fuel was due to the KLM captain worrying of hitting crews time limit.
The Captain had a reputation of being an arrogant "company" guy and very domineering.
That went well, didn't it?
Avoidable tragedy.
@@sarahalbers5555you are cutting a lot of corners in your “expert” assessment.. ever heard of the Swiss cheese model? I guess not
00:39 Aeroflot 5143
05:54 China 676
11:37 Air India 855
14:43 Air France 447
21:36 Korean 801
27:45 China 140
33:25 American 587
39:08 Saudia 163
44:17 Saudi 763 & Khazakstan 907
47:31 KLM 4805 & Pan Am 1763 (Tenerife)
Thanks so much for doing this!
@@moniqueh7948 You thank him for doing this? I’m suppose to fly to Europe from Canada next year…after watching this sloughter I’ll stay home!
Fly. Life’s two short.
Every student pilot should watch this video. Thanks Hoover.
Every high time pilot should watch these.
Great video as always Hoover. Never hurts to do a recap like this. We tend to want to forget these tragedies but if we don't learn from then we will repeat them.
You are so right! Learning from these tragedies is essential!
yet they keep repeating them, especially small private planes, it's unreal
@@pilot-debrief now I no longer say "take-off" I say "hit the road, jack"
Meanwhile back at the drawing board..
"I TOLD you we needed to put a heater in that pitot tube!!!"
I like the way you deliver painful truths with the utmost of respect to the dead. Great channel.
Appreciate the tremendous amount of effort it took to put all of this together. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Agreed! Thank you so much for your time and energy Hoover. I was excited to see a new and lengthy video. Great work!
My first thought was that a disaster video is questionably appropriate for Christmas. While watching, I realized that your reminders to keep your head in the game, avoid impulsive decisions, and never assume the infallibility of others are wonderful gifts; not only to pilots, but to us non-pilots. Good advice translates to any activity. Thank you for helping us stay safe. And Merry Christmas to you and yours.
You are absolutely right! It’s all about being mindful and careful, regardless of the activity!
Life lessons, not just for aviation. Hoover does this better than anyone.
Hoover, you and your videos make it very easy for non-pilots like me to understand why these tragedies happen. I'm glad I found your channel. Safe flying to you and everyone else.
I remember the Canary Island crash all too well. I was just 12 or so, my dad was an Air Force dentist at Dove AFB. This accident turned him into the air forces Forensic Dentist. I remember the media all over, and us kids told not to say anything. This was back before computers and my dad had the job of identifying all the victims one by one manually. He was up all night for months staring at picture slides on his screen. This lead to him being called on for the Jim Jones Guyana horror, to identify all of them, and to my dad being called for any and all specialized identification jobs throughout his 34 year Air Force carrier. After he passed away, we found the thousands of dental slides he had taken of that gruesome Island accident. How that man handled all that his entire life I will never know. He was a very talented and incredibly great man. Sorry to babble, guess it hit a spot in me.
I include in my prayers gratitude for people who do tough and heartbreaking jobs. Much respect for your dad. What a strong man.
Your dad undertook tasks that most mere mortals could never, ever, conceive of. Major respect.
My grandparents were on holidays at Tenerife then and I saw pics in the media of the disaster I shouldnt have seen as a 6 y/o. And it is good they weren't on the KLM flight back to Amsterdam. I cant imagine what your father has seen. Also, the daughter of Captain van Zanten has struggled with this her whole life and she never dared to go to commemorations nor talk to families of the victims, she felt it was not her place b/c her dad was responsible, if even partially. Now she goes though. I think that is great. It was an interview with her in a Dutch newspaper.
Sounds like a good man
My heart is with you. Babble on, my friend. Someone who cares about you is listening.
I can only imagine how much the military misses you, Hoover. So professional and honest.
The military doesn’t care about anyone, it’s the right arm of the bankers war machine to control the world.
OK once I went ahead and asked my question. I noticed the addendum on your statement about that one pilot that shouldn’t have been shown in the last video. Thank you I thought I was losing it. Another great video. I’m just sorry so many people have died. New member to the channel thank you for all your hard work
I have seen a few of these crashes on Mayday air disaster but I have found that you break things down very precisely and in ways that the other shows don't even mention. I love these videos.
I always appreciate a fresh perspective on these accidents. I hope you and your family enjoy your holidays. 😊
Thank you for watching! Merry Holidays to you and yours!
Thanks!
Thanks for this video, Hoover.
This year I landed at Los Rodeos as a passenger on a flight from La Palma, and visited the memorial in the hills above the airport.
The pitot icing incident give me flashbacks to one of my early solo flights where there was a full pitot/static blockage on climb out. Instilled a healthy respect for air travel/safety early on. And make sure someone didn't wash your plane prior to taking it out in sub zero temps!
Nice change of pace video Hoover👌
Informative and sensitive as always. Thank you for these videos, Hoover. I always look forward to your releases.
I always listen to the Debrief because it’s educational, entertaining and theoretically useful.
Talk about an early Christmas present! A 55-minute video from Pilot Debrief on a quiet Sunday morning? Yes please - what a perfect way to wake up over coffee & cakes while getting top-notch safety instruction.
Same here, but with a cat on my lap😊
I am an aviation enthusiast, albeit somewhat of a layman in the field. What I like about your videos is your meticulous analysis of the risk factors - singular and compounded - that may have contributed to a disastrous outcome. Well done and keep up the excellent work!
Great video. Always pleasure to hear your insights.
I like this format even though would love separate video for each case.
Thank you, Hoover.
Noted! I’m considering making a few of these as separate stand-alone videos.
I'm not a pilot but I've learned a lot from Hoover. When you tell me what the pilots did in each case I just shout "no no no!" . Smh
Same here. Can’t wait til Sunday am to see the new pilot debrief. I try to implement same debrief philosophy in my own life. Keep it up Hoover!!!
Because of these videos, when I'm greeted by a pilot on a commercial flight I just look him in the eyes and say "I know more than you" and take my seat.
They then give me $100 and 3 fingers if whiskey on the house. And the plane flies faster.
@@fornhunkle in your dreams 😂
@@fornhunkleI do the same thing!😁
Right, this and the other pilot channels have taken the mystery out of flying. This is one of the better ones
Great compilation. Thanks, Hoover.
Thanks for watching!
Change of pace Hoover...this will be my bedtime listening. I'll replay it when I wake. Cheers from 0200 Monday in Canberra 🇦🇺
Listening in Canberra here, too @0215.
I do the same! Thought I was the only one
@@ScottHayes-z8rNope! 😆
I hate to come off sounding like a fanboy but, Hoover, you are a TH-cam superstar.
Oh yay a new pilot debrief! I’ve been getting a bit too relaxed flying commercial lately😂
Great video, thank you for your time and insight
I’ve always struggled to learn with someone speaking in a classroom environment. With his cadence and inflection, I could pass a test given immediately after any of Hoover’s videos, without any review. So enjoyable.
Another great video Hoover. Happy Christmas to you and your family.
Hello Hoover. Saudi flight 163 always breaks my heart. I wonder what would have happened if the cabin crew would have evacuated without the captain’s permission. Another disaster that really bothers me is the Japan Airlines Flight 123. Thank you for covering these disasters with sensitivity and compassion. Happy Holidays.
Sounded like the crew couldn't have evacuated even if they wanted to because of cabin pressure.
I went through C-141 flight training with Ed States back in 1983/84 at Altus AFB, and then on many missions with him out of McGuire AFB through the ‘80s. He was a hell of a nice guy and a sharp pilot. Such a tragic loss.
Glad you mentioned the one captain's picture being incorrect. I remember reading about the "Ghost of Flight 401" years ago and when I saw the same captain's pic, I was beginning to think "another ghost"!
Perfect to listen to while I’m grocery shopping. Thanks for this!
Enjoy!
Perfect!! Death and mayhem excites you? Weird.
@@FYMASMD You're the weird one to misquote what the OP said so you can try and use it against them. No where do they say it excites them. For all you know she might find it perfect to listen to while grocery shopping because it gets her mind off of doing a chore she hates.
Speaking of chores:
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery/Pioneering Aviator & author ("The Little Prince").😊✈
Bravo Hoover. 👏🏼 This is now the best vid of the top 10 on the internet. 🙏🏼
I have been disappointed Hoover did not include Turkish Air crash in Paris in 1974. This one was particularly horrendous and investigation showed american corporation’s attitude very well…!
@ Just to make sure I’m following you correctly, “You’re disappointed that he made a list of the top 10 deadliest”, and you thought he should’ve added in the ‘74 Turkish Air crash?”
Okay so which one should come out so yours would go in? Or do you think it should’ve been a top 11 list? 🤦🏻♂️
I found this style of video very interesting and informative..
Appreciate the content Hoov.
👍👍🤙🤙
Wow! I think the biggest horror is all of these disasters were avoidable, but that was the idea of the video, it's amazing though that experienced professional pilots simply forget to fly the aircraft and watch instrumentation. Great Video as always Hoover. A very merry Christmas to you and yours form the UK.
Thank you again for another excellent video reminding us of the chilling and disastrous effects that can occur when caution and procedure are ignored or put aside.
These rank among the most compelling videos on youtube. No matter how advanced civil aviation gets to be, nothing can guarantee safety against the constant risk of human error.
Really appreciate the work involved in this longer format video Hoover!
Great video as always, watched in full as soon as it came up
I briefly held a UK PPL many years ago, back when you could keep it with just 5 hours a year
I realised that I probably wouldn't be doing many more hours than that, and figured in the event of even a minor problem, I wouldn't be current enough to know I'd do everything right
So I gave it up
Every time I watch one of yours or Juan Browne's videos I realise I made the right decision
Hoover is spoiling us with these longer videos. Really enjoyed this one ❤
Thanks for this great video Hoover 🙏
Man, there sure seems to be a lot of "failure to understand" in the cockpits of commercial aviation. Good job Hoover. Always to the point and full of great information.
I never used to be afraid of flying and naively always trust the pilots. It’s shocking the energy in the cockpit…Of course not always but more than I had ever thought.
@@JMBZell and now with the DEI hiring practices and the rush to get pilots in the cockpits and unqualified controllers in the towers, if you pay attention, you will see more accidents I'm afraid.
@@easttexan2933you are correct Sir.
@@kamakaziozzie3038 if one follows these aviation threads that report instances, one will find that runway excursions, collisions on the ramps, landings and T/O uncoordinated.....getting worse, not better. Controllers are being hired based on inclusion and not qualifications. They have no common sense about anything. I will do everything I can to not have to get on an airplane for travel.
Awesome presentation as usual. Thank you. To echo one comment, the military must miss you.
I'm only booking flights that Hoover pilots.
On my next flight, I hope I see Hoover as I enter the plane!
For real! I would feel safe with Hoover piloting.
Or Juan Browne (blancolirio). How do we make those requests? 😁
That would mean, NOT FLYING on 99.999 percent of all
take offs World wide....so, calling for a Uber, Lyft or Yellow cab instead.
No Hoover?....I'm walking.
@@mwhe3111. Browne is only a good pilot if you agree with him. He always agrees with himself. Dangerous as a solo pilot.
This is a very interesting vid, very well made and the analysis is constructive as well as precise. Thank you!
To me, some of these "mistakes" seem like outright negligence.
Great video. Glad to see those subs increase.
Ugh , great post investigation Hoover ! Tragic outcomes.
🎄 Merry Christmas 🎄
Hoover, you spoil us! 1 hour Pilot Debrief? Santa came early this year.
Happy holidays to you, your family, and all the community.
Best wishes for the brightest of New Years!
Really nice job putting that video together. Is very informative and very well edited. Looking forward to more videos from you.
Much appreciated!
There was a fascinating article in Vanity Fair about the Air France disaster. I just reread it recently, after the flat spin crash in Brazil
I am an old woman who doesn't fly a plane and doesn't want to. I just find your channel fascinating. You do a great job teaching, and I was a science teacher for 30 years and I like your approach to explaining complicated ideas and making them understandable!
Merry Christmas from Wisconsin Hoover!
Merry Christmas from somewhere warmer! 😄
It never ceases to amaze me how many of these tragedies are caused by lack of basic airmanship from pilots with decades of experience.
One thing that was drilled into me while getting my IFR ticket was Pitch + Power = Performance. In other words, at a particular power setting (RPM), and a particular pitch (nose up, nose down, or level flight), you will get a particular airspeed. If you lose your airspeed indicator, but have pitch and engine power instruments working, you should know approx. what the a/c will do at any normal attitude and power setting.
I lost my airspeed indicator due to icing once. I'd forgotten to turn on the pitot heat, and when I hit the icing layer, I lost airspeed indication about 30 seconds later. I knew what had happened, so I hit the pitot heat switch.
It took about 30 seconds for the pitot to thaw, so I had no airspeed indication. No biggie, as I knew what my engine RPM was, and I knew my pitch angle, so there was no need to panic. (There were plenty of other reasons to panic, but that's for a long conversation over scotch and a cigar. *That* story won't get written out online.) After the pitot system thawed out, my airspeed indicator leaped into life and we continued the flight.
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I can't believe an "experienced pilot" forgot to turn on the pitot heat!
@@mangos2888everyone makes mistakes. Experience and knowledge helps to recognize and recover.
@@FameyFamous No, no, no. Everyone on the Internet is perfect. Anyone who says otherwise is immediately set upon like a wounded wildebeest. 😁
With years of experience, there is always the danger of routine lurking. And routine can lead to slackening of attention for the daily routine actions in procedures.
Great compilation, Hoover! Whether you're a pilot or a nurse, we can never stop learning. Seconds count. I feel so badly for the ones behind the pilot, three minutes of sheer terror must seem like an eternity. I pray their families have found peace.
Thank you so much for being the top of my favorite channels, Hoover! Lord bless & keep you, your family, and all. ❤🙏
Merry Christmas to all & a wonderful New Year!❤
Really good videos, with great information, thank you very much for your work....
Watching this (yet another excellent video by Hoover), it's tempting to remain firmly planted on the ground. Then I remind myself that this "top ten" list took place over a span of decades and that around the world, thousands of commercial flights successfully complete their travels every single day - check the real time map on Flight Aware to get a visual.
Thanks for all you do Hoover. Even though I'm not a pilot, I always look forward to your videos each week. Take good care & Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Risk needs to be taken in perspective. You are correct with the number of aircraft in the sky it is remarkable how few accidents there are. I look at the congested maps and think - 'how is that possible so many aircraft in the sky day and night all over (most) of the world'
Many thanks for all your continuing, excellent coverage, Hoover! Keep up the great work, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
So many of these comes down to "pilots panic in stall conditions and pull back on the stick, when they need to push forward to regain the correct angle of attack". Like, how is this not DRILLED INTO THEM CONSTANTLY after so many tragic accidents???
I read somewhere that once there's sufficient stress, a whole cascade of errors often follow, thus making it even harder to correct the original error.
It's sobering how often they are pulling back rather than forward. It's just baffling since most modern planes have really loud "Stall" warning indicators both audio and visual. Probably in panic situations humans tune out.
Excellent video, Hoover! Thank you.
Well done round down of the ten deadliest pilot mistakes. The arrogance of the KLM was astonishing. Happy Holidays Hoover!
I ❤ your videos. You are so thorough when you explain things. And do it in such a way, that doesn't make someome like me, who has no clue, feel stupid, or need to go look things up. You dont talk down to your audience. And you have such a soothing, calm voice. I wish you the very best of the new year
Ich bin kein Pilot und auch schon zu alt, um einer zu werden. Aber die Herangehensweise mit Briefing und Debriefing finde ich einfach klasse! Die Welt wäre ein viel besserer Ort, wenn Alles so sorgfältig behandelt würde wie die Luftfahrt, auch die militärische.
Firmen würde besser funktionieren, Staaten würden besser funktionieren und vor Allem alle Arten von Beziehungen!
Danke für diese klaren bespielhaften Analysen!
I couldn't disagree more. Sounds to me like ego in the cockpit overode sensibilities of sound cockpit management causing hundreds if not thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Thanks for all your time and hard work to bring this to us.
As an airline captain myself, I can't say anything I really would like to say about these "professional pilots" without TH-cam canceling me out and banning me forever.
@isabellind1292 I have some insight as a passenger.
I don't remember the plane, but it was a short flight, so a small plane (2 hr flight). I booked tickets in row 2 and sat maybe 10 feet from the cockpit door. It was a smooth trip, but I was able to hear some sounds from the cockpit, but I can ask a flight attendant the next time I'm on a flight since I'm curious now too!
Yt sensors so much that conversations that could actually be beneficial in general are nearly impossible to have.
I'm imagining the same type of names you'd call a cursin' wrench in a stressful day.
Seriously? Spit it out, buddy. I could see if you were concerned about your airline's management team taking you to task, but why would any TH-cam moderator get upset about a little "truth-telling"? COME ON, Captain... spill yer guts!
@michaelscott356
No, it is not my airline stopping me from commenting on TH-cam. The problem is that TH-cam is controlled by weak, Beta males and a bunch of ahls. These people immediately give you a strike or remove your comment and then tell you that you are violating their rules because your comments are offensive to others or that you are "cyberbullying others" that's the problem here.
In fact, this comment is the first one that I am allowed to post after being blocked for 24 hours for violating their rules.
@@michaelscott356 I replied to this comment a couple of days ago that has since been removed by yt.
Even if it was stated, it would be removed because we don't have rights online apparently.
@@michaelscott356I’m shadow banned. Many of my TH-cam comments never even get posted and I don’t get notifications any more all because I had some thoughts on what should be done to Pe do files from a Chris Hansen video.
We taxied past that L-1011 many times. Tragic. Thanks for your debriefs Hoover.
DAMN! The South Korean crash that happened today was crazy. Looks like an emergency landing on to short of a runway with no wheel deployment
Was long enough IF he hadn't landed halfway down it!
Thank you for putting this video together. Keep up the good work!
Clearly I’ve been watching airline disaster videos for far too long because I’d heard of all of these disasters! It’s been enlightening to hear Hoover’s take on them, though!
Unfortunately same here.
It is always a pleasure to hear another Pilot Debrief. One disaster you did not include that would be very high on my list was the midair collision over southern Germany with Swiss ATC and a Russian Tupalov BTC jet colliding with a DHL cargo jet. Many children died. What makes it significant was how the TCAS warnings were not understood when ATC was giving them conflicting instructions from the TCAS, showing how TCAS training was not yet consistent or well understood as always being a priority. This also shows how ATC can become involved in an error, certainly not intentionally, but this tragic accident does show an outcome stemming from a disastrous alignment with the holes in a very large chunk of Swish cheese. It also connects the dots as it were with the people in a small town when suddenly, bodies were raining down on them (many of them children), and how difficult that must have been to see.
When instances where the attitude indicator goes bad (Flight 855) would having a simple plumb bob hanging somewhere near the instrument panel help you understand more quickly that you have a problem with the indicator and make the proper adjustment to your attitude? Just a crazy early morning thought I had because I when I watch these videos, spatial disorientation seems like a horrible way to go.
Hey Hoover, great coverage, as always. I like the longer format this time & while I’m somewhat familiar with most of these, I actually didn’t know about the mid-air collision over Saudi Arabia.
BTW 🚨👉🏻 One thing tho that I think got overlooked…this video uses the same picture of Pan Am 747 pilot Victor Grubbs as the pilot of the Saudi flight that burned on the ground after an unexplained failure to evacuate the plane.
I was wondering if you were going to do Tenerife. It’s always been a mystery to me how a pilot with so much experience like Jacob Van Zantaan could do something like that.😢 I’ll never forget that terrible day, because it happened on my birthday. I was only nine years old, but I always remember the date in 1977.😢
Tenerife is covered by so many people on the internet. I bet you can get someone to read VanZaant's mind.
I can watch pilot debrief all day been under the weather last few days what better to catch up on your videos than now right ✈️ 💯
Surprised you didn’t cover the one with Ho Lee Fuk, Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, and Bang Ding Ow.
RTFT
Oh yes I remember that one. But perhaps he didn't want to gang up on Korea too much.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, Sir. Well Done.
Attended CRM classes yearly and the Saudi cargo fire incident was always briefed. As a C-141 and then a C-5 loadmaster, that one was always of particular interest because of the cargo fire. We had an APU fire on a C-5 after landing in Iceland and we had to evac 73 passengers from the passenger compartment. Fun times.
The Air Force flew my Marine squadron (minus our F-4's 😊) from California to Virginia in 3 141's. I was impressed by those big boys. But then about five years later, I saw a Galaxy up close in Puerto Rico. It was "Holy Crap!"
I was maintenance on C5s out of Dover in the 90s and that sounds vaguely familiar. When did that happen? Was it a Travis bird?
@@evilempryss That would have been 1975 (I'm older than dirt)
Great mix of videos. Merry Christmas.
Both parents of a fellow college student of mine were killed in the Tenerife disaster. I'll always remember that.
The chilling thing about the KLM captain Van Zanten (who was also the chief instructor pilot for KLM) is that immediately after the crash, KLM was looking for him to send him to Tenerife to aid in the investigation. Shortly thereafter, they learned that he was the captain on THIS flight.
Informative video, as always.
Wow. Thanks for the back story.
Hoover is teaching me sooo much about flying and aviation.. Awesome..🙂 👌
At 19 minutes, I always wonder if the pilot seats are close enough that one could punch the other in the face to stop him doing something dumb like continuing to pull up. Sometimes someone needs a physical shock to snap out of it.
They are definitely close enough to punch the dude or gal next to you. I’m not sure if the FO even realised what Bonin was doing
@@technowelliebobs4779 he clearly didn't. Both he and the captain realized only when Bonin told them he was still pulling the stick but it was already too late.
It's crazy how fixated that dude was on pulling back on his joystick. Hoover didn't cover it, but even when the captain told him to stop pulling back, and the other FO took over the controls, nevertheless they went into the water with Bonin still pulling hard back on his joystick. Incredible. These debriefs have taught me that some people just do not have the right mental faculties to handle flying a complex machine, and should never have been pilots.
@ShaydeNZ We all like to pull on our joysticks. Some guys just get carried away and pull the knobs right off their joysticks.
I listen to both you and 74 Gear. I love both programs. I really enjoy your aspect of flights and problems, and causes. I've never done much flying, but I enjoyed my trip from SLC to DFW to SGF. Went to Branson, MO to see Jay Osmond in concert. Great concert. I enjoyed all my flights even to the point of trying to identifying V1 and Rotate.
14:43 My aunt was on Flight 447, the Air France crash in 2009. I still remember my mom getting the call from my grandma that the plane had dissappeared while we were sitting in the frontyard...
Only flown a back seat sightseeing ride in a Cessna, one time, flying sims happily, here to learn from debriefs! picking up new tough lessons all the time here!
Brother..
The pilots pics of Saudi lockheed tristar and the teneriffe disaster are the same..
You missed out the Pakistani captains mistake who did a unstab approach and bellied the aircraft eventually crashing the aircraft during the second approach..
This channel is one of my favorites. Hoover is amazing at explaining all possible reasons for the accidents.
@39:48 If the picture of Captain Mohammed Ali Khowyter is accurate, rfat has to be the oldest 38 year old I've ever seen.
See pinned comment. Thanks!
He is the resurrection of Captain Grubbs, he got the same worn-out old body.
I absolutely love this channel. Love aviation and Hoover has taught me so much more about it. Thanks.
OMG I was a C130 FE there was no CRM in these accidents, obviously wasnt a thing yet. so sad.
Too hard to watch at one time, had to take a break. Great recap , lots of lessons to be learned. Thanks
The picture of the pilot in 39:49 is the same as the pilot in 48:31. Most probably the first one is incorrect.
Oops! It’s so hard editing a video this long and ensuring everything is correct. Hopefully that’s the only big mistake!
A well produced video. Very well done. Frankly, I thought you mostly did GA related debriefings so this was a pleasant surprise. Not because of the topics, which are all heavy stories of their own of course but the big airliners put in an hour long video. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones.
Now I am admittedly not a pilot, but it seems to be that some rather simple and inexpensive things could be done to at least mitigate this problem. A good fish-eye level bubble costs about $100 at most, and an LED behind it would run maybe another $5. It would take up all of maybe 4 sq in. One with concentric circles would even give a rough angle of attack. Being a surveyor I am familiar with these levels, but they are so simple it boggles the mind how pilots can lose orientation so easily when it is so simple a concept and so easy to fix. Rule #1 in surveying- if it looks wrong or feels wrong, it probably is.
Just discovered this channel and I love it! I read a book called “Pilot Error” probably about 25 years ago. The stories were exactly like these. Very interesting, thank you!
Thanks for this extra interesting and illuminating video. I love your channel and enjoy your approach. And I could tell you were at least in the military-I was in the uUSAF as well and your delivery and matter of fact non dramatic delivery feels awesomely familiar. A lot of our county is a mess, but the Air Force is incredible.
And to think yesterday I learned how to land a passenger aircraft in case of an emergency from another pilot. ( Mentour Pilot). You guys will have us all pilots in no time.😂 Merry Christmas Hoover! 🎄