Nelson Havi with hopes of winning Westlands MP seat, became Ruto's flower girl. He should be the last animal talking about this. He is the most corrupt lawyer you can think of.😊
Lawyers have a misconception about management by imagining law is a profession in isolation. Law is a relative profession and does not exist in isolation. Therefore for smooth governance of a country, all the three arms must work together.
Who told you that lawyers dont think the 3 must work together? Am a lawyer and ive never been of that mindset. Maybe the lawyers from your village. But there are limits to "working together" and there are procedures for doing so
@@kaykay5605 who is a lawyer by your definition? Your business is relative to other professions and that's why in advanced countries it's never a first degree. Lawyers are not the law, and also remember all constitutions are dynamic and in most cases are superceded by dynamic changes resulting in reviews. Some changes have to be followed by reviews.
You must know that Judiciary is not a political party but a governance institution which must work with all departments of the Kenyan government to deliver justice to all and not a puppet of disgruntled political losers.
The moment CJ Koome took over from Emeritus Maraga, she would have given priority or roadmap on how she's going to fight corruption at the Judiciary coz the latter left the office lamenting on the vice, but sadly she went mute until she's reminded by the Executive. What a shame! I also see sense on President's remarks on corruption at the JUDICIARY (JSC). We saw scandals by Deputy CJ on a certain loan she took with the bank but the matter went mute, we also saw a scandal with retired Chief Registrar on gold scam by her son but the matter was never addressed. I support HAVI and SC Ahmednassir on this.
Corrupt executive calling others thieves, what a fallacy, this onslaught by mr promises on judiciary is suspect , where is the most corruption going on part from that institution of the executive lead by none other than the priest of corruption
i am a woman and i agree with you....she is a disappointment and may hinder other women from ascending to seats of power because people will lack confidence they can deal with the pressure that come with these seats. She is a coward who cannot not stand for the truth and the constitution.
You picked on a wrong guest to talk on the subject of CJ Koome - President Ruto meeting. Mr. Havi is corrupted by the President, and inspite of his sharp legal mind he struggles to balance fidelity to the law and defending his benefactor, Ruto. So this is a kisungu mingi for nothing.
Perhaps the CJ shouldn't have requested (?) for the meeting. She should've relied on other official comm chanels or the processes in JSC. Barring the Advocate from appearing before SCoK is also turning out to be a rather rush decision.. just how collegial are decions by the Supreme court judges? However, the CJ who is very experienced, needs to remain firm and steadfast. The storm will pass despite the few 'misjudgements'.
This man was good from the beginning of his term but I have missed to rank him of late as a statesman. Help me rank him please. What is your view over since he retired from LSK POST
When abdinasir talks of corruption is chased away,when koome decides to organise a meeting shes admitting of the same,then why should abdinasir be chased away
Well said by Havi , but Koome has been always to look good to her fellow judges. Corruption is everywhere, we see cases lasting for ever thus justice delayed is justice denied. You find a crook you try to sack or prosecute ,they run court very fast to stop it.
This are just people who want her job.Very good questions asked latif.There is a process to follow and remove a corrupt judge.The only thing I agree with is that koome visiting zakayo was a mistake.The start of the end of judiciarys independence.
I agree with Havi on the vetting and on the incompetence, vested interests and Koome's conflict of interest & cluelessness. But the problem emanates from a disjointed law fraternity and a week LSK
We thought we had placed a Mama Suluhu in the judiciary but Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled. Consequently those judges who are actually doing their work are deemed corrupt whilst those who are corrupt and partisan are deemed professional. That's the irony here.
Ruto may not be a good president and am the last person to think he is one, but the judiciary is the biggest weak link between the citizens of kenya and good leadership. If only our judiciary was doing a good job, Kenya would be a developed country. The corruption in the judiciary is our biggest problem. Ruto is telling us truth, the problem is he saying it at the wrong time.
ehh....you are right.... you put it very clear.... ..rotten and disliked as mwizi may be....the judiciary is the source of our problems.... ...even the i justice choome knows she is a muppet with strings being pulled from elsewhere.... ...much asi dont support the mwizi ways...it may just be best if mwizi akissfirisha majaji wajalifu binguni...at least huko juu binguni hawatacheza ..wataogopa kuanguka kwenye giza la milele..
True. Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled. The only problem is that for Ruto those who are actually doing their work are the corrupt and those who are actually corrupt are the professional ones.😢
Nothing wrong with a president meeting with chief justice, it is only that it is never made public that they have met. There is a mechanism of the two office holders to meet in terms of Executive and the Judiciary.
you people dont understand the constitution just spewing nonsense the president meeting with the chief justice is very wrong especially when discussing how to handle the corrupt cases
Havi is fumbling. Either not competent on the topic, ill prepared for the interview or not wanting to reveal fully something he knows. He is being too cautious, he fears that kakitu they did to Ahmednasir. Tough times
Havi is not a brave guy. He is foolhardy. As chairperson of LSK: The most tumultuous period, confusion, pandemonium, cacophony-all because he wanted to be a UDA MP for Westlands. He's more of Ruto's mouthpiece.
But corruption was still massive. In fact I got in touch with him about a corrupt lawyer colluding with a magistrate in machakos, he blocked my phone with no advice. I found that very gross and any time I see him, I always remember that moment in pain.
depended on who occupied the executive office, and who knows whether he was being used by forces from with or without, Havi is flip-flopping and you can observe he is being put to task because he is contradictory ,,he is defending the most corrupt holder if the executive office
Now the game is 50% against Koome according to Havi words....sounding politicaly, him fighting to JSC not give idea on what wrong and how to it be done well accordingly to rule of law not according to anyone idea....😮😮😮😮
Havi is right. Martha Koome is simply a joker. Fix your house before going for a dialogue outside. It is now evident that Maraga was and is the best chief justice Kenya has ever had.
I have liked the conversation you're having with Mr Havi However, he is full of himself without giving details of what is happening now. I mean his words are at time negative cycles and blame game to certain office holders aka CJ Koome weakness. Give us Social Political solutions, in Kenya to, eradicate incompetency and Corruption menace within the Judiciary. Period; Too, I don't think of self-obsessed individuals and the likes of lawyers of, the calibre of SC Ahmednasair of Kenya is inspiring.
This guy is a kk apologist , the reason why he is leaning on the mr promises side and supporting the meeting after ruto went on an onslaught against the judiciary , it is like a pot calling the kettle black, why not the support pledged during the forced meeting not done the right way through parliament, why should the executive be the one offering to support the underfunded judiciary, it is you a scratch my back and I scratch yours , period, Ruto want the courts to play ball during his attempt to change the constitution becsuse, he knows, people will stop him through the courts
Imagine azimio running with this and labelling judiciary compromised till 2027.if she rules against them if there was a petition then it could be a recipe for chaos as their supporters will not buy it.
Nelson Havi used to be objective, fluent and most of all logic. From this it is clear he is loosing it slowly. kidogo kidogo atakua full blown politician
the meeting isnt the problem , problem is or might have been the agenda of the meeting , further more i know the interest of the common citizen is never at hand in this country.
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Hivi should enjoy Zakayo's madness.. He supported the fullizhness...
Ruto and koome are birds of the same feather they flock together
I absolutely agree with you 💯
Judiciary has been reduced to one mans puppet,woe unto us kenyans,God have mercy.
Excellent! This person deserves a bigger platform in Kenya for the sake of our children's future!
Well said "mathematics also allows for approximation"
The President should address corruption in the executive first, where he lead before he take on judiciary. This meeting smells a rat!, period.
All should be addressed together because doesn't matter where the corruption coming from.
Rightly said, but can't happen without working with judiciary!!!
@@peterkmwangi5963 Actually it does, the judiciary's corruption is nothing compared to executive and legislature and it's not even close
Nelson Havi with hopes of winning Westlands MP seat, became Ruto's flower girl. He should be the last animal talking about this. He is the most corrupt lawyer you can think of.😊
Kweli mko na njaa nyie...haters of unity
Lawyers have a misconception about management by imagining law is a profession in isolation. Law is a relative profession and does not exist in isolation. Therefore for smooth governance of a country, all the three arms must work together.
Great comment
Who told you that lawyers dont think the 3 must work together? Am a lawyer and ive never been of that mindset. Maybe the lawyers from your village. But there are limits to "working together" and there are procedures for doing so
@@kaykay5605 who is a lawyer by your definition? Your business is relative to other professions and that's why in advanced countries it's never a first degree. Lawyers are not the law, and also remember all constitutions are dynamic and in most cases are superceded by dynamic changes resulting in reviews. Some changes have to be followed by reviews.
I agree with Grand Mulla, he once said Koome is incompetent and cluelessness
Appointing Martha Koome was the biggest mistake that has ever happened in the judiciary.
You must know that Judiciary is not a political party but a governance institution which must work with all departments of the Kenyan government to deliver justice to all and not a puppet of disgruntled political losers.
The moment CJ Koome took over from Emeritus Maraga, she would have given priority or roadmap on how she's going to fight corruption at the Judiciary coz the latter left the office lamenting on the vice, but sadly she went mute until she's reminded by the Executive. What a shame! I also see sense on President's remarks on corruption at the JUDICIARY (JSC). We saw scandals by Deputy CJ on a certain loan she took with the bank but the matter went mute, we also saw a scandal with retired Chief Registrar on gold scam by her son but the matter was never addressed. I support HAVI and SC Ahmednassir on this.
Corrupt executive calling others thieves, what a fallacy, this onslaught by mr promises on judiciary is suspect , where is the most corruption going on part from that institution of the executive lead by none other than the priest of corruption
Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled.
Judiciary commission and judges are birds of same feathers and they protect each other. Try touch a police man and other policemen attack you.
Mtameza wembe....unity is always the medicine
the master of corruption is Ruto him self,how can you,lead a slave when you yourself is a slave
How can a blind man lead another blind man?
Harvey, after hot air judgement , no justice but only to rich executives
Partners in crime usually work together
Koome,ihave started fearing leadership of women, I respect maraga,,
That was a man and a half, if any few in the whole world 🌎 that has remained.
i am a woman and i agree with you....she is a disappointment and may hinder other women from ascending to seats of power because people will lack confidence they can deal with the pressure that come with these seats. She is a coward who cannot not stand for the truth and the constitution.
You picked on a wrong guest to talk on the subject of CJ Koome - President Ruto meeting. Mr. Havi is corrupted by the President, and inspite of his sharp legal mind he struggles to balance fidelity to the law and defending his benefactor, Ruto. So this is a kisungu mingi for nothing.
CT you have touched the root of the problem.
Corruption in Kenya can only be done by the President himself not anybody else due to its level within all Kenyans.
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Perhaps the CJ shouldn't have requested (?) for the meeting. She should've relied on other official comm chanels or the processes in JSC.
Barring the Advocate from appearing before SCoK is also turning out to be a rather rush decision.. just how collegial are decions by the Supreme court judges?
However, the CJ who is very experienced, needs to remain firm and steadfast. The storm will pass despite the few 'misjudgements'.
Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled. She has taken womanhood backwards by years.
This man was good from the beginning of his term but I have missed to rank him of late as a statesman. Help me rank him please. What is your view over since he retired from LSK POST
When abdinasir talks of corruption is chased away,when koome decides to organise a meeting shes admitting of the same,then why should abdinasir be chased away
BBI had a clause of ombudsmen. Could this be the reason it was killed by the Judiciary.
The constitution also has an ombudsman provision
Well said by Havi , but Koome has been always to look good to her fellow judges. Corruption is everywhere, we see cases lasting for ever thus justice delayed is justice denied. You find a crook you try to sack or prosecute ,they run court very fast to stop it.
This are just people who want her job.Very good questions asked latif.There is a process to follow and remove a corrupt judge.The only thing I agree with is that koome visiting zakayo was a mistake.The start of the end of judiciarys independence.
I agree with Havi on the vetting and on the incompetence, vested interests and Koome's conflict of interest & cluelessness. But the problem emanates from a disjointed law fraternity and a week LSK
So who did the vetting then, during the promulgation he mentions.
We thought we had placed a Mama Suluhu in the judiciary but Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled. Consequently those judges who are actually doing their work are deemed corrupt whilst those who are corrupt and partisan are deemed professional. That's the irony here.
Ruto may not be a good president and am the last person to think he is one, but the judiciary is the biggest weak link between the citizens of kenya and good leadership. If only our judiciary was doing a good job, Kenya would be a developed country. The corruption in the judiciary is our biggest problem. Ruto is telling us truth, the problem is he saying it at the wrong time.
What about him tribal appointments. If they investigate him
@@walteralulu8483was your uhuru,raila nice one?
@estherbellmakokha3970 not better but it's going down at a higher rate.
ehh....you are right.... you put it very clear....
..rotten and disliked as mwizi may be....the judiciary is the source of our problems....
...even the i justice choome knows she is a muppet with strings being pulled from elsewhere....
...much asi dont support the mwizi ways...it may just be best if mwizi akissfirisha majaji wajalifu binguni...at least huko juu binguni hawatacheza ..wataogopa kuanguka kwenye giza la milele..
True. Koome is weak, incompetent and unprincipled. The only problem is that for Ruto those who are actually doing their work are the corrupt and those who are actually corrupt are the professional ones.😢
I heard that judges in jsc covers for their colleagues if somebody raises a complaint
God will judge cj
This guy is really full of himself. I did.. i did...isn't this the same Havi who was fist fighting with his colleagues when he was in LSK? Amazing.
Nani mwingine ameona Nelson Havi anafanana na Total man (Nicholas Biwott)?
Hivi is not the person to ask this question. He is UDA cronies. You will get nothing from him apart from supporting his godfather Dr Zakayo.
People act like they can't meet in private and agree on worser unknowns..
Nothing wrong with a president meeting with chief justice, it is only that it is never made public that they have met. There is a mechanism of the two office holders to meet in terms of Executive and the Judiciary.
I get your point lous and clear merci.
you people dont understand the constitution just spewing nonsense the president meeting with the chief justice is very wrong especially when discussing how to handle the corrupt cases
Havi now sits on the high table his eyes now cobwebbed blindly nothing see, nothing do mentally, chained to the mastery ideas only!
Havi is fumbling. Either not competent on the topic, ill prepared for the interview or not wanting to reveal fully something he knows. He is being too cautious, he fears that kakitu they did to Ahmednasir. Tough times
All those goodies from State House in return for nothing? You gat be kidding me...
Havi is not a brave guy. He is foolhardy.
As chairperson of LSK: The most tumultuous period, confusion, pandemonium, cacophony-all because he wanted to be a UDA MP for Westlands.
He's more of Ruto's mouthpiece.
Kenya was not ripe for a supreme court we made a mistake in having it , the court belongs to the first world
The whole constitution is bogas. The thing is you can't touch this and you can't touch that. What's the point of law and order?
this is one of the sectors that have greatly failed,, Nelson think different
If kenya drains...you all now know the culprits..please dont forget this.
For once Latif didn't understand most of Havi answers, if a full advocate can be blurred who are you as a normal citizen to talk against the judiciary
thats the disadvantage of having women leaders eg the chief justice martha Koome who shivers at the mention of the name Ruto
This guy has actually said nothing. 46m wasted. Erick and Muga noticed all that rhetoric😊.
Mlete Otiende tusikie mtazamo halisi wa roho ya kisheria.
This is not new. Remember what Chief Justice Emeritus and Chief Justice Emeritus Maraga said on the same matter during their tenures?
Why this meeting after the president first threatened the CJ
He resembles the late Nicholas Biwott
Clearly Havi is based in his submissions. Leaning towards the presidency. Any way
Bring Grand Mullah and let him talk about his gagging by the scok
LSK was popular during Havi times
But corruption was still massive. In fact I got in touch with him about a corrupt lawyer colluding with a magistrate in machakos, he blocked my phone with no advice. I found that very gross and any time I see him, I always remember that moment in pain.
depended on who occupied the executive office, and who knows whether he was being used by forces from with or without, Havi is flip-flopping and you can observe he is being put to task because he is contradictory ,,he is defending the most corrupt holder if the executive office
Now the game is 50% against Koome according to Havi words....sounding politicaly, him fighting to JSC not give idea on what wrong and how to it be done well accordingly to rule of law not according to anyone idea....😮😮😮😮
Havi is a Ruto apologist. Trying to absolve him even in glaring eff ups.
Havi is right. Martha Koome is simply a joker. Fix your house before going for a dialogue outside. It is now evident that Maraga was and is the best chief justice Kenya has ever had.
I have liked the conversation you're having with Mr Havi
However, he is full of himself without giving details of what is happening now.
I mean his words are at time negative cycles and blame game to certain office holders aka CJ Koome weakness.
Give us Social Political solutions, in Kenya to, eradicate incompetency and Corruption menace within the Judiciary. Period;
Too, I don't think of self-obsessed individuals and the likes of lawyers of, the calibre of SC Ahmednasair of Kenya is inspiring.
This guy is a kk apologist , the reason why he is leaning on the mr promises side and supporting the meeting after ruto went on an onslaught against the judiciary , it is like a pot calling the kettle black, why not the support pledged during the forced meeting not done the right way through parliament, why should the executive be the one offering to support the underfunded judiciary, it is you a scratch my back and I scratch yours , period, Ruto want the courts to play ball during his attempt to change the constitution becsuse, he knows, people will stop him through the courts
havi anakula mdomo i can barely hear the man.
We are racist people. We have denied Indians a chance to head the Judiciary despite being highly qualified.
Havi might be next to get banned by Mrs Hot Air 😂
Imagine azimio running with this and labelling judiciary compromised till 2027.if she rules against them if there was a petition then it could be a recipe for chaos as their supporters will not buy it.
What if the Kenya kwanza lost the elections
This is nothing but hot air, nonsense, a worthless pursuit, a vain attempt, a lost course and a fool's errand meant to take us on a wild goose chase!
That was a great mistake
Nelson Havi used to be objective, fluent and most of all logic. From this it is clear he is loosing it slowly. kidogo kidogo atakua full blown politician
KOOME WAS A FATAL MISTAKE!
My question is why then accuse the president of hiding the currupte people while same time you argue there is no corrupte judge.
What is corrupt is your spelling of corrupt 😂 lol
All complains shouldgo to Dci for investigations otherwise how do you report to same.
Waste of my precious bundles
There is no any single day quavas could produce blood,,,,no matter what?.😮
Today spice fm you brought a sycophant.
😂😂
the meeting isnt the problem , problem is or might have been the agenda of the meeting , further more i know the interest of the common citizen is never at hand in this country.
M:mtvsomali
People act like they can't meet in private and agree on worser unknowns..
That was a great mistake