How Boeing Will Get the 737 MAX Flying Again
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Yes I totally see the "general public" avoiding the MAX.
"I won't fly a 737 EVER AGAIN!"
*737 MAX pulls up to the gate*
"Ah good my Airbus 747 arrived"
Ah yes the iconic "Airbus 747 dreamliner "
Wow😂
True story.
@@ma-ox2pm I thought this was a Lockheed 747 Turbo Neo...?
DerekSP so true
I know normally once the FAA certs a plane that standard is accepted by other countries but I'm surprised you didn't mention the huge list of countries who have said they won't be accepting this FAA re-cert at face value and will instead be doing their own re-cert and recommendations on top of those on a country by country basis. This represents another HUGE step in getting these planes in the air since while there will be standard base upgrades there could be other changes deemed necessary that aren't part of the standard base which would take longer to implement since not being done at such large a scale.
BlitzfireGG true
I can't believe that you make this comment and don't realize that most people will be dealing with COVID-19 at this time and may not have living personnel even available to deal with Maxx issues.
yeah the FAA really shot itself in the foot over the 737Max case, with the investigations after showing all kinds of shady backdoor deals. No other air regulator is going to forget this stain on their record anytime soon.
I still remember the NPR program where they interviewed 4 Boeing quality assurance managers who were forced into retirement because they kept refusing to certify planes due to faulty construction (like when they found debris in the area where the electronics were kept), and Boeing simply got someone else to certify the plane while forcing those who raised alerts to stay silent. Yep. That's the kind of company Boeing has become. Yet the FAA allows Boeing to certify themselves...
EDIT: as an engineer... seeing some Americans in this thread trying to defend this travesty is just utterly disgusting.
FAA completely lost its face with the corrupt favoritism of Boeing. I completely understand why other authorities don't trust them anymore.
wkdravenna the max isn’t supposed to be reintroduced for about half a year, so COVID-19 won’t be an issue if it doesn’t become a pandemic.
"the highly profitable summer season" well that statement didn't exactly age well
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING LMAO
Yeahhhh
I just checked the date, lol.
Neither did the 737 flying again
@@benarmstead9141they are flying as of 29/01/24
Boeing: the 737 max will fly in 2020
Covid-19: hello
Boeing should put all manufactured planes to Cargo mode, fly them for at least 6 month and then move them to passenger flight. Get as many miles on all aircraft to make sure it is safe!
Farokh Mehr
Here’s the thing. 737s are not big enough to justify the cost and time to fly so little cargo from a to b.
@@farokhmehr1609 too expensive to justify
The 737-MAX was just the first to get grounded
Yari C true but there are 737 freighters around the world they are not common but they do exist
Yeah but no one is giving props to Boeing for finally producing an aircraft that has emitted zero emissions on commercials flights in the last year lol
Boilermaker lmfao good one!
Not really I have made hundreds of planes that have carried the same amount of people as the max has done in the last year, has created less pollution and I made them for free
@@LP-xj7pm you're forgetting the cost of paper.
Boilermaker lol. “Props”😂
ayyy lmao
Boeing: Alright, we finally got our shit together.
Corona: I'm about to end this man's whole career.
🤣
That's true, though they have just found more flaws anyway....
How quick people, i will say the EU types, forget about the A320 groundings after several fatal accidents and Software that would display incorrect values that were known about. Just say you hate anything from the USA, id respect u more.
@@friendsofdickjones6266 Yeah right , 14 planes in 1990 , 11 in 2018 .
No worldwide grounding ever .
Side note , if you were referring to those groundings , you were laking respect to anyone who read your comment
Mutated Coronas: I am about to end original Corona's career.
"Boeing says the aircraft will fly again in mid 2020"
This did not age well
The aircraft will fly again in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
@Karen Patterson make that 5!
Rest in peace for those who lost their lives because of other people’s mistakes.
Other people's GREED!
Rip...
it's not a mistake, it's the feature
A mistake..? Appears more like criminal negligence ; signing off on a very defective modification.
Insufficient prototype development / Limited fail-safe controls / Nonchalant pilot training, etc,etc...
The Boeing Staff must be a protected species ; not to find themselves facing the Courts.....
@@fluffyfour "greed" or "wanting to actually have people buy my new thing"?
Half as Interesting 2050: That time Boeing built 800 planes that didn't fly.
Regan Wagteveld 🤣🤣🤣
True dat
Last I've heard there's an airport in Berlin which has lots of space where they can be parked.
@@ClemensKatzer Yes, Berlin Tempelhof
@@MRJames3TV That person was referring to Berlin Brandenburg Airport
Also don't forget: Boeing isn't done when the FAA is through with it.
Most of the other major regulatory bodies around the world have stated quite clearly that, after the MAX disaster and the FAAs involvement in it, they would NOT just adopt their directives (as was the case in the past) and instead put the plane through their own recertification process. May not matter to the american carriers, with the 737 being a short-hauler, but they sold a lot of 'em to overseas' airlines, as well.
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@@AxxLAfriku damn what's the stuff you been sniffing ? I want some too if you can share it
AxxL best get back on those anti-psychotics, my friend.
AxxL
Think you have the wrong comment
And the wrong video
And probably the wrong drugs
It matters a fair bit to US Carriers because, as a previous video noted, one of the things they were hoping to use the MAX for was cross-Atlantic flights to smaller destinations. It's also worth noting that going across either ocean generally favors a route that goes over Canada who will need to complete their recert before the plane is allowed in their airspace
Things boeing is prepared for: making sure customers are ok with flying the MAX
Things boeing is not prepared for: actually fixing the MAX
mixio hili it’ll be 100% safe. I have full faith it will be for decades to come, just as the 737NG family is. 737NG is even safer than the A320 family.
@mixio hili At these heights there is no going back
@@Jack3md nothing will ever be 100% safe if it flies. It's a fool's errand to try to get 100% safety, and that's going to be a problem with the incredibly damaged reputation of the 737 max.
@@Jack3md Stupid fanboy detected.
@@Jack3md That's not true, but whatever floats a fanboys boat.
"It's gonna be grounded for at least a year"
Covid-19: Only 1 year?
Let's see how he fits airplanes in this video
That's just a default comment on this channel LAMO
Wasn't he the Corolla guy?
by god he's done it again
@@caiohl8135 No that's Vsauce.
@@samohtt You may be thinking Veritasium.
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what about squarespace?
Don't get it
Oh my god really? 🤣
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He always sounds happier and more energetic when he’s talking about planes compared to any other subject
Ikr 😂
And why not? Planes are epic
I was in Hawaii years ago. During my stay there, the grounding of DC-10s was lifted. During check-in, for my return to the mainland, I asked what kind of plane we would be flying on. (I was very certain it would be a DC-10.) The agent's response was "a modern wide-body aircraft". I wasn't satisfied with that answer so I asked again. I received exactly the same answer, the second time. So I asked: Is it a DC-10? The agent's response: "Yes". There were several people in line that actually gasped. As far as I know, everyone hopped aboard, and obviously, we made it back just fine.
That's what's likely to happen. There was the first (in service) deadly crash of the SSJ100 not long ago. After the crash, all the planes were grounded for a few weeks and then the grounding was lifted. I don't remember hearing about problems with passengers not wanting to fly on the planes, although, everyone on the russian interned, especially those who new nothing about aviation, decided that it was their duty to shit on the airplane's design.
@Temple of Ridicule First, I wasn't comparing today's 737Max situation to the DC-10. Just thought I'd relay my personal experience from 1979 as the planes returned to service. You don't understand the impact the Chicago crash had on the public's opinion of the DC-10. Even though the cause was improper maintenance procedures performed by AA. There were images of the plane heading for the ground, etc, playing across the papers and TVs, day after day. With 273 fatalities, it remains the deadliest aviation accident to have occurred in the United States.
B B if this has nothing to do with the Boeing case, why bring it up? The way you worded this makes me think you believe this scenario is what will happen once this Boeing restriction is lifted. If that was not your intention, then this comment makes no sense in this video. If it was the intention then his answer is valid, people will try to avoid flying on this plane and in this day and age, that’s easy as hell.
@@drazgul1 LOL I relayed my experience from 1979, after the grounding of a commercial passenger was lifted, is that so complicated? I doubt too many on here have experienced it. That is why I posted it. Have you had the experience? Do what you want with my recollections. I also relayed how the airline tried to hide what type of equipment we were going to be on. As well as the reaction of people behind me in line when the news was it's a DC-10.
Nowhere did I state or suggest the DC-10's return to service will be exactly the same for the 737MAX. Nor do I believe it. I am very capable of stating exactly what I want to get across. I also understand the differences between today's access to information, as well as the situations involving the 737MAX vs the DC-10. If you believe people will avoid flying on the planes, then why not post that as a stand alone comment, instead of arguing with me over your divining of my meaning and intent?
Sorry, can’t delay heaven maintainence on other aircraft unless you want to park those other aircraft.
"simulator training will be expensive"
>Boeing designed 737 MAX to avoid needed training
Tough shit, Boeing. Now you're paying more than you would have if you enabled training for the MAX
Customers wanted an improved 737 with minimal training & the video explains why. Boeing tried to make the impossible & the consequences were tragic.
@saf dipo Source?
"Do it right or do it again" was how I believe it was phrased in Army.
@joedanger666
When I got my job training, it was: "You'll never have time to do it right, but you'll allways have time to do it again."
Off course, where lifes are on the line, that's not be most ideal policy...
Wasn't the whole "pilot doesn't need retraining" thing the Max's main selling point?
Looks to me like both Boeing and its customers took a gamble and rolled snake eyes.
If it didn't kill several hundred people, I'd be laughing my arse off...
@@TheRip72 It wasn't impossible. If the 737 max had smaller newer engines, like the same size and NG, and the new winglets, this wouldn't have happened. Ofcourse, problem is it wouldn't have competitive fuel burn compared to the A320 neo or the range. Boeing should have developed a new narrow body, that had variants to match size of and range of existing 737s and that of 757-200. Essentially, a like for like competitor to the A319neo, A320neo, A321neo, A321neoLR and A321neoXLR.
Like, think a narrowbody 787 with 3 size variants, and the biggest variant in three different range variants. Depending on what customers wants the aircraft for in terms of routes.
Boeing acted shady not disclosing everything and now it's paying for that mistake.
Airbust
Decision making by committee and dominated by group think
it will be truly starting to pay when they are forced to scrap all of the 737 max death planes.
Isaac Alonzo
Says the airbus guy
Don't kid yourself, Airbus has done the same and worse in the past. It's just there weren't a million experts on social media screening form their lungs. They also got very lucky at times like the faulty pitot tubes that were installed on the air France crash from Brazil. They had several close calls and were in the process of changing them when that happened. But luckily for them the Max was a better target for the media.
Traveling fudds: no way I'll never fly on a MAX!
Airlines: what if the tickets were $10 off
Fudds: 👀
Elias Papadimas people acting like 2 crashes makes a plane not fly worthy after a year worth of fixes... let’s hope they don’t find out about other planes crashes
@Nutflush Bob what a simp 😂
@@slasher9982 2 crashes that happened one after the other due to a design flaw has
I can't think of any other case of a similar thing happening except for the dc10 during the wild west of aviation
Nutflush Bob then don’t am i stopping you?
@@andreas4010 *_cough_* rudder hardover in the late-80s/early-90s affecting 737s that Boeing actually fixed *_cough_*
If another one crashes after a year working on the problem, Boeing will never fully recover. They better get it right.
*_Airbus pays an airline_** to buy a Boeing plane and crash it*
They can get it right without me. Don't get me wrong I still fly in the other 737s, just not the bandaid solution max.
@@alfredli5187 galaxy brain
Z_lve it’s too bad they can tell when a plane crash is accidental or on purpose
They've just purchased Embraer and their new regional jets just in case more drastic measures come necessary and they compete in a duopoly They'll be fine
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They're indeed standing on asphalt ("tarmac"), as even the car parking lots around the factory are full of them
taxiway*
Rudy Pages Jr not just taxiway, 737 Max parked on every possible spaces.
They’re actually parked in the airport apron.
SeiyaBK not really, too many 737 Max. Most parked on appron, many parked on taxiway, some are even parked on carpark. Just look at some video showing 737 Max parked on carpark.
0:44 "at a time of continued growth for most every airline worldwide"... Oh boy, do I have some news for you, from the far future of two weeks after publishing...
8 months later 😬 airline industry 📉📉📉
I still don’t trust the company that took short cuts & lied to the public. Not only that but they immediately blamed the pilots instead of accepting responsibility for their bad business. This is their own fault, they will have to live with it forever. I’m not risking my life even if they gave away free tickets.
agreed on all counts. How dare the CEO blame THE PILOTS are you kidding!?!?! every 6 or so seconds, the nose drops. NEVER I don't care, I'm not flying it.
On top of that they purposefully went out of their way and targeted a far smaller company that has no government programs to support them like Boeing does. Making the government put a 300% terrif on their planes. Which now has led to them effectively selling off everything they have in order to pay for the debt.
It was the pilots fault though. Boeing didn’t have to tell pilots about mcas for a reason. Because when or if MCAS takes In invalid data from an AoA, it would present itself as a runaway trim situation. Therefore you hit the stab trim cut out switches. This procedure has existed for 5 decades and never has required the pilots to know why or what was causing the uncommanded nose down or up, just that it is uncommanded, so you put the stab trim switches in the cut out position. End of story. The only way pilots could have failed this is by horrible training due to the airlines. Lion air? Horrible airline, they even bought the AoA sensor from someone who wasn’t even allowed to sell it and also miscalibrated the sensor by 21 degrees. Didn’t doom the aircraft though, Lion air was still required to test the sensor before installing it. It would have shown the miscalibration, but they didn’t. Instead they installed it anyway, lied about it, and after it crashed they used the same type of test that was completed on another 737, but older, and said it was for the accident aircraft. Investigators discovered this lie due to the dates just not adding up. Despite Lion air garbage safety record, literally destroying over 8 aircraft since they started in 1999, they haven’t changed a thing. They haven’t apologized. They haven’t committed to any safety changes. Nothing. Because of ignorant videos like this. Did anyone read the final report for JT610? It’s pilot error. And even after the first accident. Boeing highlighted the caution and reminded pilots and the airlines that this 5 decade old procedure does in fact exist still. Which airlines didn’t train their pilots around it? Ethiopian airlines. Pilot error on a far larger scale than jt610. Leaving throttles at full with control issues. They had no idea about the trim system in general. Or anything. Captain trying to engage auto pilot with a stick shaker activated and nose down inputs? Ya they were fucked as soon as those wheels left the ground. The fact that he even tried to engage auto pilot just says they have no clue what they’re doing. Unreliable airspeed is due to a faulty AoA. Auto pilot in just about any aircraft, requires at least two functional AoAs. The only thing that can cause this failure is a faulty AoA. Therefore it’s a no brainer that auto pilot won’t engage. But the captain tried anyways, 4 times to be exact. Followed by the first officer manually trimming in the wrong direction. Then one of the pilots re engaging the stab trim cut out switches which is exactly what boeing said NOT to do. They originally diagnosed the issue correctly. Completed one step which was the switch to the cut out position. Skipped every other step on the procedure though. Then they went against what the procedure says to do by re engaging the system. Why’d they re engage it? Because they couldn’t manually trim against the airspeed they were hitting. Why couldn’t they do that? Because they skipped steps on the procedure. Step #2 was too disengage auto throttles. The failure to do this allowed the aircraft to accelerate to and past VMO and eventually out of the flights envelope. They literally exceeded speeds beyond the airframes limit. They had no control at that point. Multiple different things were now working against them. All thanks to them incorrectly following the procedure. Incompetence. The closest those pilots should have been to a cockpit is a first class seat. Both accidents crews failed to complete a single step on either checklist for unreliable airspeed and runaway stabilizer. Then you have the crew before JT610. Who experienced the same failure. They completed the steps on the procedure. Without Boeing reminding them. They trimmed manually. And they landed safely. So if you really think this is 100% Boeing then you’re smoking crack. This is just about 90% pilots and 10% Boeing. Yet Boeing is taking all the heat. The airlines love it though. They’re now funneling money to investors that was originally meant for training. They can’t wait to see how much lower they can set the bar for safety now.
@@smokeyveras7235 but all of it started because Boeing cut corners to compete with the A320-neo from airbus
Basically strap in its more efficient engine on an aging 737 which is not suited for that modification. Boeing has to make some adjustments including the MCAS and that's when things go horribly wrong. This is absolutely the manufacturer's fault no question asked
Smokey Veras where did you learn all of this?
Planes and Wendover Productions,
better love story than twilight
Love him or hate him y’all wished you were half as passionate about something as he is about aircrafts and aviation.
*love him or love him more :-)
You obviously dont know me then. I am incredibly passionate about peeling watermelons. No joke. Well.... actually joke.
I am also passionate about aviation so.
who could hate this guy?
@@ZunarZulfiqar im sorry but I first read it as peeing watermelons 😂
"Aircrafts are not built to sit around"
2020: Hold my beer.
When they get it flying they need to take 2-4 737 MAX planes. Load them up with their top brass, managers and their families. Fly them around the country for a few days making 2-4 landings and take offs/day.
I don't think the company executives would risk it.
Yes drop them all off Wuhan in China for a week's vacation then fly them back home if they survive that I will consider flying in this lemon 😂
@@draum8103 if they won't, they shouldn't
Randy Phillips I like that idea believe Boeing should show to the flying public but their aircraft is in the safe and that Boeing took all the necessary steps not only from the FAA but from other aviation regulators to make sure that the max is safe to fly
At the height of the BSE crisis, in 1990, in the UK the health secretary fed his daughter a beef burger on camera*. These executives would take that risk anyway with their entire family if their pay depended on it.
* In a twist of fate a daughter of his friend who was approximately the same age as his daughter did die of CJD in 2007
Lindy effect: given a delay of 15 months, we should expect an additional 15 months worth of delays. So expect the 737MAX to be back in August 2021
several governments around the world are considering a blanket ban on them, boeng are in well deserved trouble.
as is the FAA, and with the orange dickhead in charge, the USA has truly become the spittoon for the world
The longer these junk aircraft sit around the less likely anyone should feel safe about them.
@@VikingNewt four more years, and the rest of the world is experiencing a rebirth of liberty and nationalism because of him and the US. Keep worrying about skin color though! Bound to get you far. Drittsekk.
Pål Øynulvson Dude you have literally no idea what you’re spouting. Fuck off back to your shitty poor European country.
Norway isnt poor, you dicks, and no the USA doesnt lead in almost any field, not any more.
Apart from incarcerated citizens.
This crap with the max shows just how fucking dumb you have to be to let money people get their own way.
Dont break your leg or anything, would hate you to go bankrupt in the United shitholes
Feels like this scandal has seriously hurt the company's reputation.
Last time I checked only the Online community still remember's the Max Issue thanks to Media Outbreak. Not the general public, a random person walking down the street doesn't even know what aircraft they fly or see let alone the Max. Regardless if the specific Aircraft name is on their flight book or ticket.
Maybe a small group of frequent travelers know what aircraft they fly, nevertheless, nobody else really does or even care. Can't blame them
Feels like this reputation has seriously hurt the company's scandal.
@@Racko. Wrong!
In my country is very well known. People I know said that they are not gonna fly Ryanair because they operate 737s. Like even doe they are safe. People who know nothing about aviation thinks that Boeing in general is dangerous.
More like hurt FAA reputation, since they allow Boeing to self regulate in the first place
"the less busy times of year" like when global travel and economies take a nose-dive thanks to a virus pandemic. Yes, it might be some time
Maybe a couple of months. It's just the flu.
@@Malc180s it's not
With Covid-19 around, this may be a good time to send pilot for training.
@@Malc180s the flu doesn't kill 3% of people and the flu doesn't close workplaces, schools or the NBA
@@MichiganMitten39 No you're right. People close workplaces, schools and the NBA. All because the big bad flu is coming to get you.
When the thumbnail said re-entry, I wanted to know how the airplane got into space.
Jebidia Kerbman
@@sl600rt of course
Re-entry wouldn't be hard in that case considering the plane's inherent disposition to going down to earth.
That was a year ago? oh my god time _flies_ so fast these days
Well here, it sits so fast.
Sure does, one week leads into the next these days
Time flies but not the Max lol.
737 Max copilot says to Captain "Sir look those buildings look like ants from up here"
737 max Captain to copilot screams back "THOSE ARE ANTS"
lmao.🤣
Yikes
Hilarious
Terrible joke , not funny and too soon.
@@segredosdotiosam9989
Well the joke was for the over 200 people who gave it a thumbs up. You are free to not like my humor but luckily my life doesn't revolve around you or your approval
Its surreal how this was just made a few weeks ago and the aviation industry has changed a lot since. Forget the MAX, they would be happy to see any of their aircrafts fly at this point.
Boeing put profit over safety, accountants and financiers over engineers. End of story. 737 Max? No thanks.
This video interestingly forgot to mention any of the many well-documented cost cutting measures that affected safety during the whole design process. Instead it focuses on "social media group think". It also forgot the impact the crashes of the de Havilland Comet and McDonnell Douglas MD-11 series had, both companies didn't recover (way before social media). This Wendover video is the worst, probably should leave aviation videos to others.
@@mipmipmipmipmip it was never intended to be a video about the safety cost cutting measures. That's been well documented. The whole point was about getting the 737MAX back into service.
You should probably stick to watching videos and not commenting.
@@MrMowky These are intrinsically related, do you grasp that concept?
@@mipmipmipmipmip check his previous video on the max737. He explains that there
@@mipmipmipmipmip That was the DC-10, not MD-11.
Boeing: Complaints about regulatory oversight.
Also boeing: Designs a plane that nosedives into the ground.
MCAS was required by the regulatory oversight to meet the control force regulations. To avoid designing a new aircraft because of all the regulations and required training.
If you make regulations too burdensome, resources go to compliance rather than actual safety.
Next video: How Boeing’s corporate culture lead to the MAX disaster
Signatelli Correct. th-cam.com/video/BfNEOfEGe3I/w-d-xo.html
How about a video comparing Boeing’s Max issues with Boeing’s Starliner issues.
That was basically the original Wendover video on the 737 MAX.
B. Winky. You should watch “The Risktory podcast”
Zły Wilk - What are you talking about? Deregulation and corner-cutting to maximize profit-margins are part of the Republican ethos.
Short term profits vs long term. Business ethics vs a lot of money and Stil a lot of money even if they get fired. Top heads get well payed and the bottom employees get screwed the most. Hope the employees find better ethical companies (assuming any are left)
wait, so boeing plans on monitering individuals who are showing concerns about flying on their aircraft and notify flight crew ?? what does that mean; will the flight crew go and beat up the passenger whos complaining online ? yikes.
"Hi sir. Noticed your concern with our aircraft. We were just monitoring your communications on Twitter and wanted to tell you that we've made great strides to our aircraft. Now if you dont mind, please write that in your next tweet. I'll wait."
Of course not, that’s United’s thing. They’ll sue if Boeing if they try taking their shtick
Exactly! Creepy and dangerous!
Passengers still flew in the DC-10, besides, most people don’t pay attention to the type of plane they fly on either
Although true if they had the same kind of access to the internet and booking that we have now I'm sure there would have been a lot more people avoiding flying on the DC-10
@@Fiedman i dont know i mean still, a very big portion of people book their holidays all in one package so even if they say they wouldnt fly the max like the media encourages them, they probably wouldnt even notice that theyre flying on a max
Shloomy Shloms i flew on a MD-80.....It was fine
The DC10 was pre the information tech era and people are better informed nowadays. I think many more people will pay attention if they are on a 737 Max after the crashes.
Actually, no. Enough people didn't that the DC10 did not have many new sales after its accidents. Enough did not care though that the airlines kept using them - they just wouldn't buy new ones. I expect the same with the 737MAX - airlines will buy those they are committed to, but future orders will not be forthcoming. If I were Airbus I'd go ahead and build more A320 factories.
B-52- I have the highest kill rate.
737 MAX- HOLD MY BEER.
747: Amateurs
TU-154: hold my vodka
Wow! A "hold my beer" joke in 2020. I see shit posters followed us into the new decade!
@@whatjake7898 Exactly, but this is the internet and everything is a mess
Your criticism of this awesome and original joke is just like the 737 Max. It just doesn't fly.
2109 - Boeing still says that the 737MAX will enter into service by the end of summer
Q: How Boeing will get the 737 MAX flying again?
A: Through a massive governmental bailout!!
No. Through massive internal layoffs, instead!
Wendover - "At a time of continued growth for almost all airlines worldwide"
Corona - "sorry what was that?"
Airplanes: *exist*
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How to get the public to want to fly on the max:
Change the name, people are pretty stupid
I don't even think you'd need to do that. I think most people won't notice that they're flying on a Max.
Or make tickets like $5 cheaper for a year
Boeing 707 with two engines version 4 sounds nice
I will never fly a 737 airbus ever again.
So true!
Boeing's gonna be working with you after watching this!! You're videos as usual are informative and amazing. Thanks Sam for unbiased and thorough coverage on such a diverse set of topics, lots of love from India .
Well made and informative video. Keep up the good work.
Wendover Productions: *posts video*
Airbus: *S T O N K S*
Boeing: **S T I N K S**
Radix lol
Radix airbus sucks
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@@KanyeTheGayFish69 spot the yankee
Best comment I've read lol
It’s hard to trust a company (Boeing) that blamed the two pilots for both crashes at first before the facts came out about why both crashes happened.
Airplanes are not toasters...you actually have to have skill and training to operate them...and the company has to have qualified maintenance and parts...not to mention overall a culture of safety. so if you read the safety report facts you would understand what actually went on
They also blamed the pilots for Lauda Air Flight 004, which was the first fatal crash involving the 767.
They only relented when Niki Lauda himself offered to take Boeing execs up into the air and test the conditions that Boeing said should have been recoverable.
youbecha64 the plane was built on a culture of dumbing down the pilot. It’s reason for existing is that almost no further training would be needed to fly the plane. Boeing made the decision not to clean sheet a new plane in order to avoid pilot training issues. And yet once the pilot doesn’t get the training, the pilot is blamed for not being trained.
@@francesconicoletti2547 The whole training thing isn't some loophole or "dumbing down of pilots" Boeing was exploiting. Literally *every* aircraft family all share a common certificate/type-rating that allows pilots to transition between models/generations in the family without any training at all. The A320/A320neo, E-Jet/E-Jet-E2, 757/767, A330/A330neo/A340/A350, 747-400/747-8, CRJ200/CRJ700 and other families all share this same exact feature as the 737 Classic/737NG/737 MAX of not requiring simulator pilot training when transitioning between the types. This is because these aircraft families either have common cockpits and/or similar handling characteristics, which enable them to share the same certificate & common type-rating. If an aircraft doesn't have the same cockpit layout or handling characteristics, it can't remain on the previous generation aircraft's ticket, and needs to be certified as it's own plane with it's own type-ratings and would require weeks-long simulator training and courses before the pilots can fly that plane. This is why MCAS was developed because the 737 MAX without any computer-augmentation in the controls had different stall & handling characteristics as well as different yoke control-pressures compared to the 737NG or 737 Classic.
The MCAS could’ve been disabled with checklists that have existed since the 60’s, so in a sense it is the pilots fault.
"Boeing will notify flight crews about the passenger who is criticizing the 737 max and will also respond digitally."
I'm smelling another United airlines type scandal fast approaching.
"Most commerical aircraft won't take more than a day out of the sky."
COVID-19: You wana bet?
This wasn't the coronavirus video i was expecting
I swear, there is a JC Denton in every fucking comment section I check
Oh...well...the grounded 737's are helping prevent the spread of Coronavirus.
Yeah I noticed that as well. TH-cam is doing everything it can now to push distractionary videos up in front of us. It's like they are now shuffling all the coronavirus stuff to the rear. It's like dangling a toy in front of a baby to distract it from something else. Next they will be back to their old trick of cat videos.
Fuck you bitch
@@billbyrd1361 no, he just didnt make a coronavirus video
“Airlines may put off heavy maintenance on other planes.”
*United Airlines plane in the video*
Was this a subtle roast towards the Polaris project or am I just a nerd?
“Airlines may put off heavy maintenance on other planes",....What does that mean??
@@kingg213 It mean nothing. Airline must follow the maintenance schedule that they have agreed to with their regulatory agency. Though they can request a variance on the schedule. Maintenance items intervals do have some wiggle room.
@@cidercreekranch Which fucking comment of mine didn't state, exactly what your comment stated? You must have a very low comprehensive reading skill!
nah it wasnt, united planes and newark airport are a common appearance in his videos
Don’t forget EASA want to test the aircraft for re certification before it flies in Europe even if the FAA approve it.
Jhcx he did not forget. This is for sure a paid video from Boeing.
Exactly, FAA approval is only valid for US. FAA was last to ground MAXes after second crash and their worldwide trustworthiness is out of the window now
No country will respect Boeing or FAA for a very long time - both corrupt
@@danielkirkland3366 yeah dude you're totally right the same "corrupt" administration prevented fatal commercial plane accidents for 11.5 years when the last fatal air accident was a Colgan air flight crashed in 2009 killing 49 people and before that not a single one since 2001 REAL CORRUPT AND COMPLACENT HUH!? you ever realize that all the modern day catastrophic plane crashes occur in South East Asia? it's cause of poor restriction and safety standards, they lack the standards and practices enforced by the administrations like the FAA and EASA
JD 2017 where on earth did you get no crash for 11.5 years dummy ? Do you also not understand the difference between the past and present ?
Boeing own staff said this plane should not have been put into production. FAA were the last to ground the plane what does that say about safety huh
737 MAX: Finally we’ll be flying soon
Coronavirus: Allow me to introduce ourselves
"Boeing is taking safety seriously" - ah, so those are safety wrenches that they regularly throw into the fuel tanks of their planes!
Yes safety wrenches.
Wait what? Please explain that one to me ahah
to be fair, they save the safest wrenches and trash for the air force. Profit before patriotism!
And their spacecraft!
Often handy to have some spare tools lying around
You know you played KSP for too long if first thing that comes into your mind after hearing "737MAX re-entry" is "oh wow, they've managed to put 737 into space"
KSP?
I feel really identified...
@@mgonza1350 Kerbal Space Program
This is so relatable as a KSP player myself
S U I C I D E B U R N
Really nice and serious work, thanks
imagine designing an aircraft in such a shitty way, it needs special software to even fly horizontally.
If Boeing hadn't put stock holder value as it highest priority, this mess wouldn't have happened. :-(
Welcome to capitalism. Profit is supposed to drive innovation and improvement. It also drives corner cutting and price gouging.
If you think this has anything to do with profit then you’re widely mistaken, and eating the propaganda from the media. If you actually think Boeing is out here chasing to save $10k then you’re fucking trippin. Have you seen the price tags on them? $10k won’t make a difference in prices that large
@@smokeyveras7235 The 10k cost of the training isn't the problem, the time it takes to train a pilot to use the 737 Max is the problem. Most US airlines have shortages of pilots, they can't afford to have them not flying planes for two whole months, the would lose millions from having to cancel flights.
Smokey Veras It’s about the r e p e r c u s s i o n s
@@JollyOldCanuck Well then if the airlines could not afford pilots for the new types, then they should have just kept ordering the current NG models that they had trained pilots for. Airlines got way too greedy, and Boeing in turn was weak by giving into the pressure. "only" 346 people paid for that - but I guess that is nothing compared to cancelling flights for a few months while retraining pilots.....however in the end, they may lose it all and they deserve to for putting money before people. You could just have easily have been killed in a MAX crash due to their disregard for safety. Think about that. I never grudged previous Boeing accidents, the 747 cargo doors, the 737 rudder hard overs because they were genuine accidents - however the MAX issues could have been entirely avoided. Its a moral thing.
I'd never fly on a plane that had institutional problems in the very design of the aircraft. Leaked Boeing internal emails even say they have no faith in the plane and they wouldn't let their family on one. That's a hard pass from me.
Who would in his sane mind would fly a plane designed by clowns and supervised by monkeys?
Love Wendover's aviation videos.. Expecting more of 'em... Love from India, Trichy.... :)
There are procedures in the Aircraft maintenance manuals that assist for long term storage
10:20 "Social Media has the power to escalate groupthink" Brilliant! I wish I'd thought of it!
@Stinger Grail Such a masterful method to convince the public I see!
A brilliantly simple true statement!
Thank you for yet another excellent animated documentary, Bendover Productions.
Wendover: "The 737-MAX will fly in 2020, during the highly profitable summer season"
Covid: *Hello There*
The more I read about the max the less convinced I am that it should ever return
Your channel is like a bag of chips..
90% Air
*ba dum tis*
That’s more air than the Max gets
Even crappier is the stupid “jokes” it’s like the burnt or brown chip you get and can’t have and must toss away
@@rr8299 They are still edible though.
and 200% of a recommended daily intake of salt per serving, which is smaller than it should be
Takes years to build reputation and minutes to loose it.
You forgot about conspiracy, and countless lies told to the American people before they admitted the truth, and let's not forget a *WHOLLY INCOMPETENT* FAA.
Bargain Barons 100%
Trust comes on foot but leaves by horse...
Amazing video as always. One curious question though- you talk about FAA certification in detail. How about certification from aviation authorities of other countries? I am curious about this since FAA was not the first to ground the 737 Max.
Very thorough explanation of all the problems involved!
I'll fly on them as long as Boeing executives take the ride first
sportsMike87 - The former CEO did fly on a MAX during development of the fix. The new CEO has said he will fly the air raft himself before it is released to customers.
@@GH-oi2jf I hope "air raft" is supposed to be "air craft"... Lol.
In airplanes a one in a million chance of an accident means 300 people will certainly die in a year or two.
A single flight in a risky plane is not that risky.
while Airbus is laughing all the way to the bank!
Can use some of that money to make up the millions lost on the A380 program.
Michael O A380 is not a loss... it’s the problem with the airlines they didn’t know how to use it... Emirates is the only one who knew the key
@@hgbugalou And Boeings loss with the 747-8?
@FoxIslanderSteve 4B compared to more then 20B for the 737mx crisis
Ashwin Rohit Airbus never broke even with the A380.
No-one:
Wendover Productions: "huvver"
LMAO THAT CHART OF SOCIAL MEDIA PROCEDURES
coscorrodrift This is hilarious.
Board the plane. Realize it is the MAX. Have a panic attack. The stewardess comes up with a 3x5 card to explain how totally safe this plane is.
That will work real fine, Boeing. Some really big brain people you are employing there,
I had a flight delayed when it was grounded a year ago, not complaining though, the 787-8 was a much nicer ride
Pff...I got stuck in an old NG 😠
Challenger and Columbia had nice ride too…..
Based on Boeing and FAA corrupted processes I would not fly any Boeing at all.
Denis Muthuon and the fact that other than the max, Boeing have a very good safety record with the 777 one of the most popular long haul aircraft right now having only 1 crash with fatalities and that being AAR214. Even the 737Ng only has 6 Hull loss accidents with fatalities. So maybe do your own research in future and don’t just listen to media scaremongering :)
@@finleybaverstock7302 MH370? MH17?
From "if it ain't boeing, I ain't going" to "if it's boeing, I ain't going"
If it’s a Max, I ain’t pax.
@ 10:44 - Work with the flight crew to limit social media content! AKA: Shadow ban news!
yes what the flying f*** is wendover promoting here?
Dopamine rush from a new Wendover!
So when the Max comes back in the summer demand will be at an all time low due to fears of the Corona Virus.
Travel demands is already low right now, at least in Asia.
Don’t know if it’s affected or not in the US.
Hey! You used the half as interesting description on a Wendover video!
Main cause..: *BONUSES FOR THE MANAGEMENT TEAM*...and the cost-cutters sheriffs...
I once worked foe an airline that utilized a simulator that projected a moving image onto a sheet of mylar in front of the windscreen. If the mylar was damaged and needed to be replaced they had to fly someone in from Europe to the States to do it.
3:53 highly experienced pilot there
@Rodrigo Almendro - I'm flying with her! I don't care about the risk.
It's footage representing a flight simulator. You can hire time on some of them as a private person.
Brutus Tan your comment would've been funnier if it was not for the rant about the fact that she's a woman. Bro just chill, I don't think many feminazis are around here lol
LOL
10:15
the mouse cursor indicate the plane type then move to flight type: " *one way* " and shake on it... even mouses don't want to fly on the 737 maximum fatality...
Now that's funny. I didn't pick up on the one-way designation, but I did notice how the mouse quivered.
I remember the Ethiopian Airlines crashes very very well, because I was on an Air Canada flight to Montreal and I was on a 737 Max 8 there, literally the day before the crash in Addis Ababa. I knew of the Lion Air crash but I didn’t see much of it as I was 14. But on our flight to Montreal it was very smooth and we were shocked by the accident in Ethiopia, as we knew little as everyone else about MCAS… such a sad story for all the Families involved in both crashes :( something so simple should’ve had a fail safe in the event of the sensor having a problem like it did on those aircraft…
Very informative. Being aware of the fundamental issues with the MAX, I give it a 50-50 chance of ever flying again. It will be like licensing a nuclear reactor with positive void coefficient. Yes, it can be done. Yes, the technology exists. No, that's not how a nuclear reactor is supposed to be designed in the first place.
Ever? Lol it will be 100% flying again. It will be for decades, and it’ll be the safest aircraft on the market, once recertified..over any other aircraft on the market since all eyes are on the MAX
@@Jack3md what other fatal flaws is it hiding though. Time will tell
It has been flying every day since the grounding on ferry flights to and from storage sites. And remarkably no issues with the well trained pilots
@@drewpknutz1410 that is not the same as 100s of them flying 1000s of hours per year. If there are other problems they may take a bit to rear their heads
@Drew P Knutz this is not true. After the MAX was grounded when they decided to fly some of them to storage multiple pilots in different 737 MAX’S had issues with the new software and said that the planes were still fighting with them because the plane still believes it’s going into a stall. I will say the only way this plane will ever be able to commercially fly again will be to deliver cargo other than that the planes design was a failure from the start because the Engines are to far forward on the plane causing the weight to be uneven which is why the plane keeps thinking it’s going into a stall. So unless they redesign THE WHOLE PLANE the 737 will pretty much be useless And only be worth scrap.
Give me a free ticket, I'll fly on the damn thing. Do some fancy tricks, too, I don't care. Lol
7:56 picture has 378 planes yet you talk about 387!
Congrats. Nobody else noticed or minded
Oh my God!!! A typo!!!
@@lospazio Boeing made a bigger typo while printing MCRASH!
Funny how no one speaks about accountability regarding the 2 plane crashes that killed hundreds of people.
EndlessPictures - I’m sure a lot of lawyers have been talking about that.
I trust that Boeing can fix it. They did it with rudder hardover in the early 90s.
Read the preliminary crash report. It reads like the pilots followed procedure (page 11 05:40:35 and 32/33) and disabled the stab trim isolating the problem but then it reads like the first officer went against procedure and switched it back on causing the crash (page 12 05:43:11).
The first officer 361 flying hours experience total 207 of which was in the past 90 days.
This is the preliminary report, not the final report but it reads like pilot error not following safety procedure that has been in place since the very first 737 flew, not just the MAX.
flightsafety.org/preliminary-report-b737-800max-et-avj/
By nobody, you mean literally everybody, right?
Didn’t really trust big metal birds, now trust a big metal bird without working sensors..greeeaaaat
Insightful neutral commentary as always - there gonna be a video on the effects of coronavirus/disease on international travel soon perhaps?
"At a time of continued growth of almost every airline worldwide." Discounting the corona virus outbreak, that is.
And all the airlines that went bust lately
The time period he is refering is that of a year ago
@@waryo Good point.
This was a good video. Thanks.
So many shots of UUEE Sheremetyevo airport and Aeroflot crafts in this video =)
When you are so early that you refer to yourself in 2nd person.
737 Max will never fly again, mark my word
I got to fry on one before they were grounded. The plane was with South West and only 3weeks old. Amazing aircraft. Quiet and comfortable. I had a normal volume conversation with the flight attendant three isles away and enjoyed the interior lighting. I will not only fly on them again but I might seek them out. Hell, I’d fly on one now given the chance.
A320neo is also great! The newest generation is really impressive across manufacturers. Obviously a shame about the MAX problems and grounding, but they are nice aircraft.
Oh, so you mean like any modern plane? Forgot in the US mostly shit planes are still flying.
Finally! The video we ALL have been waiting for! Thank you Wendover Productions.