The ability to farm minions as a mid laner is such an overrated talent because 70% of the time, any top level mid player can out CS another depending on the champion matchup alone. And for the 30% of the time when it could go either way, having a mid laner with s 15 CS lead isn’t going to win your team the game when they struggle more then other opposing laners at all the more important aspects of the game (Team fighting, 1 vs 1, mechanics)
Its when GenG realised that Ksante can just mark Kennen on the Flank and he doesnt even get to play the game and G2s whole compisition is effectively useless... Oh yeah and Asol does nothing Pre 3 items and if he doesnt get to stand still to do it.
@@PeoplePleaser578 Aurelion Sol needs a front-to-back composition to serve as a DPS threat. He *could* do that pre 20-min only if it rushes Liandrys and use Q's low cooldown to consistently poke. Honestly, I don't know why Caps keeps picking him if he keeps losing with him.
This might have been the best costream I've ever watched from LS. The banter was so funny, the analysis was REALLY in-depth and insightful due to all the ideas bouncing back and forth between everyone.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXTRA TIME THING FOR NO SPOILERING I'VE BEEN HAVING TO AVOID LOOKING AT THE LENGTH OF THE VIDEO EVERY TIME! DO THIS FOR EVERY SERIES !
that extra time for no spoiler is good. i always hate it when you can predict the match by looking at the remaining time on the vid. so whoever's idea was it, great job
I like the way MSI is scheduled. NA laughs at EU for 2 days as they get slaughtered, then you spin it around and EU gets to laugh at NA for getting slaughtered for 2 days.
I dont even understand what peopl expect this are the top teams in LPL and LCK they also shit on everybody in there Region . GenG and T1 are domeination LCK everybody els isnt even close . In my opinion MSI is kind of pointless anyways
It feels like teams do this thing where each individual player picks their champ but with varying levels of team comp understanding. For example, Yike blind Nidalee is probably because in his mind she has "no bad matchups" in isolation so shes blindable. Then Caps thinks really hard what is good into enemy and with what he has and goes Liss.
@@jasonhardin2148 i think the Liss pick is better conceptually and thematically than Nidalee in a sense that Liss is more flexible and pairs with a lot more styles of play
Yeah like the idea is two fold I guess. First, Nidalee is supposed to have a strong early where she can invade and pressure, and Liss is good at facilitating that. Second (which kind of ties into the first) is that in skirmishes it's easy to burst down a target theoretically, like if Liss ccs a target then Nidalee can easily follow up with spear and one shot. Then they can start the snowball as well. That is the idea behind these picks and I think conceptually it makes sense.
@rafayetrasti6191 ye but you're picking nidalee to hunt people down before you know who they're playing. If nidalee cant win the skirmishes or cant kill them then she isnt doing anything whereas Liss doesn't have a theme that outright beats her because she has hard cc, safe lane, good damage, pretty good linear scaling. My point is mostly if Yike wanted to play nidalee he should have made it more of a last pick to ensure she can actually play the game whereas Caps picking Liss early is good because it's flexible and non-committal
@@aircatcher6891 It has nothing to do with champs or the draft more to do with players piloting them how do you explain Caps getting solo killed lvl 2 on Liss vs Chovy Ahri when Liss is thematically counter vs both Ahri and Leblanc aka dash champs. We also saw in game 2 Chovy Liss get 1 for 1 with no flash and a perfect gank of Yikes vs Caps Annie. Just accept it Western goat is washed and Chovy is far better player mechanically than him now.
@pratikroy227 ? I didn't say anything along those lines. Im just talking about the draft. I only used that game as an example because it's when i thought of it. Players pick based on their feeling not based on the information given
It's interesting cause I remember Chovy saying a couple years back his favorite champs to play were bruisers and yet they don't farm minions as well as most carries.
@@JasonJia11 thats why hes one of the best on csing, he practiced so much on farming good with bruisers, which in turn made him farm even better with champs that has no issue on farming
idk why people say Caps underperformed... No he performed completely fine. He was just playing against Chovy.... That's all. It is not Underperformed, it's just gapped.
Ah yes bro because Caps was always shit right? Caps massively underperformed and has been since mid way through Spring split. Yes Chovy played well, but anyone thinking that Caps looks this terrible at his peak... is just deluding themselves.
@@PeoplePleaser578 the point is Caps is no longer on his peak for about a year and a half now. He just gets random pop off games and people think he's still the same Caps. He was great but is past his prime.
@@fathertime7864 Not really - He was on form at MSI last year and during Summer split up until Finals. Same as winter split he was in very good form up until about halfway through Spring and then he and BB started slumping a bit. This narrative that Caps has been crap for over a year is just that - A narrative.
He did against strong LCK teams like T1 and KT This series GenG clearly had 0 respect for G2 they knew they were so much better So why not experiment with drafts?
@@jamiecharlie5765 This might be an EU Copium take. But since G2 was only really the 4th/3rd best team in Spring, this actually gives me a lot of hope for MAD if they don't choke. Even tho Gen.G was miles ahead of G2, G2 still managed to get them to stumble a few times through their early aggressive play. And MAD has a similar style but with better coordination and draft. If MAD doesn't choke, then their series vs T1 and maybe vs Gen.G will be utter bangers even if they don't win.
I don't see how G2 was ever Game 4 as long as Gen.g had hands. No tank, predictable CC flank, and low range into a Tristana x Jinx. The failed Baron flank from Brokenblade was pretty much the story of the game. G2 had 1 win con and it was to flank Kennen into a fight. It failed and that was the game. G2 didn't draft a comp that could fight into that range any other way.
Man it’s too many people , esp all talking over in fights and half of the people have heavy ass accents plus a guy got a lisp yo LS this is not possible to decipher
mfs arguing who's the best player in the world between Keria and Chovy. I'll go with Keria. This mf support carried Gumayushit. Without Keria , Guma is nothing tbh 🤭
@@Jissen05 Not True Guma is an excellent ADC on his own right ofcourse he excels when his support is best in the world but that doesn't mean he is not world class himself. Keria can't carry a diamond player no matter how great he is. The ADC he is paired with needs to be at least Korean challenger level or above for the duo to be excellent and Guma is excellent but I believe Keria the better one between them.
Guma's decent, not the best but not "shit" Deft and Viper probably better but Deft is a tilter and Viper is hardstuck and Guma has nerves of steel when his team is collapsing around him
@@Marco-qt5nv Game 3 he was disconnected after the stomping he already dissed out thought his team could easily win 4v5 against these Gold2. But then before Game 4 he realized these Gold2 can actually punish mistakes and not NPCs so he had to reconnect again.
@@tuncaltinkaya He did. He trolled game 1 by allowing Fiora to stack two whole waves, and then trolled game 4 by trying to go for a flank with zero vision on the enemy. He completely griefed the series.
@@quiz4youtriviamaster Letting Fiora stack two waves for a dive and then throwing game 4 with a nonsense no-vision flank attempt is not "playing out of your mind". BB griefed the series, stop coping.
@@shinji136 for a series against koreans and especially looking for toplane where the "biggested gap" is i for sure think he was playing really good. Also i meant it in a way that those 2 played insane especially compared to the rest of the roster. I never coped or anything it was just my opinion that the performance was way above my what i thought, but apparently if u have an opnion than people like you need to overthink it, thanks was a good argument tho lmao
This should be hilarious! There is certain to be loud and perpetual whining about GenG's horrible drafts, followed by audible gnashing of teeth about how utterly awful Caps has become. And how about how GenG trolled every aspect of Game 3. And finally how Peanut couldn't land a spear or cocoon if his life depended on it?
Am I the only one that feels that LS' 'casts' are kind of being ruined by these random guests? Some are great but some are... so awful. When I watch LS content, I expect to hear LS. Not Drututt trying excruciatingly hard to say something funny every 15 seconds, or Crownie saying something stupid and clueless only to realize he's completely wrong 30 seconds later.
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It’s nice to see LS sitting down again, if he were on that treadmill any longer his calves would be ROCK SOLID
Thinking of his rock solid calves turns my pelvis region into Malphite
Chovy realizes that he can farm champions instead of minions.
Based
New skill unlocked ✔️
The series summarized
The ability to farm minions as a mid laner is such an overrated talent because 70% of the time, any top level mid player can out CS another depending on the champion matchup alone. And for the 30% of the time when it could go either way, having a mid laner with s 15 CS lead isn’t going to win your team the game when they struggle more then other opposing laners at all the more important aspects of the game (Team fighting, 1 vs 1, mechanics)
@@MrBubblecake It's called a 'lead' not a 'win'
Damn, game 5 was a banger 🔥
I see🤣🤣
Shit was crazy
Dude i cant believe it took them 3 hours on Game 5
The entire watchparty was fun to see live, the laughs were great, hope you can keep it up for the slaughter tomorrow
The spanking will be legendary.
Or will it be?
Im an NA fan but im all down for seeing SKT get clapped by a western team. Misfits 2 here we go!!!
@@spikegamer5143 At what time is it going to be?
47:00 you should add this more often
Agreed. Especially for 3-0 stomps. If you watch the first game and then there's only enough time for 2 more games it kind of self spoils the outcome.
We asked for it for a good while, same with non-spoiler titles
I feel like whoever's working on these now is doing a great job with feedback
I like how game 4 gave the faintest of hopes for G2 fans.
Then GenG was like "Wait we can just steamroll them kek" and then the dream just died KEKW
That’s the best part of them losing game 3
The best part was game 2 under 20 mins. I think this is the second time I am seeing them lose under 20 minutes.
Its when GenG realised that Ksante can just mark Kennen on the Flank and he doesnt even get to play the game and G2s whole compisition is effectively useless... Oh yeah and Asol does nothing Pre 3 items and if he doesnt get to stand still to do it.
I mean they almost lost G4 as well, if Caps wasn't inting they had a good chance at taking it home
@@PeoplePleaser578 Aurelion Sol needs a front-to-back composition to serve as a DPS threat. He *could* do that pre 20-min only if it rushes Liandrys and use Q's low cooldown to consistently poke. Honestly, I don't know why Caps keeps picking him if he keeps losing with him.
Adding the extra time for no spoilers is chefs kiss thank you for that.
this ensamble was so hilarious to watch! imagine having druttut and crownie on the same call lmao
damn its so cool how we went from ahri lissandra meta 1 year ago at msi to today where ahri lissandra is still whats picked
love the editors doing the extra time thing to make us thing it goes game 5
This might have been the best costream I've ever watched from LS. The banter was so funny, the analysis was REALLY in-depth and insightful due to all the ideas bouncing back and forth between everyone.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXTRA TIME THING FOR NO SPOILERING I'VE BEEN HAVING TO AVOID LOOKING AT THE LENGTH OF THE VIDEO EVERY TIME! DO THIS FOR EVERY SERIES !
that extra time for no spoiler is good. i always hate it when you can predict the match by looking at the remaining time on the vid. so whoever's idea was it, great job
Loved having everyone on the call for this series, very enjoyable
I like the way MSI is scheduled. NA laughs at EU for 2 days as they get slaughtered, then you spin it around and EU gets to laugh at NA for getting slaughtered for 2 days.
I dont even understand what peopl expect this are the top teams in LPL and LCK they also shit on everybody in there Region . GenG and T1 are domeination LCK everybody els isnt even close . In my opinion MSI is kind of pointless anyways
I love the extra time for no spoilers and no leak in the title, tyyyyy :)
It feels like teams do this thing where each individual player picks their champ but with varying levels of team comp understanding. For example, Yike blind Nidalee is probably because in his mind she has "no bad matchups" in isolation so shes blindable. Then Caps thinks really hard what is good into enemy and with what he has and goes Liss.
@@jasonhardin2148 i think the Liss pick is better conceptually and thematically than Nidalee in a sense that Liss is more flexible and pairs with a lot more styles of play
Yeah like the idea is two fold I guess. First, Nidalee is supposed to have a strong early where she can invade and pressure, and Liss is good at facilitating that. Second (which kind of ties into the first) is that in skirmishes it's easy to burst down a target theoretically, like if Liss ccs a target then Nidalee can easily follow up with spear and one shot. Then they can start the snowball as well. That is the idea behind these picks and I think conceptually it makes sense.
@rafayetrasti6191 ye but you're picking nidalee to hunt people down before you know who they're playing. If nidalee cant win the skirmishes or cant kill them then she isnt doing anything whereas Liss doesn't have a theme that outright beats her because she has hard cc, safe lane, good damage, pretty good linear scaling. My point is mostly if Yike wanted to play nidalee he should have made it more of a last pick to ensure she can actually play the game whereas Caps picking Liss early is good because it's flexible and non-committal
@@aircatcher6891 It has nothing to do with champs or the draft more to do with players piloting them how do you explain Caps getting solo killed lvl 2 on Liss vs Chovy Ahri when Liss is thematically counter vs both Ahri and Leblanc aka dash champs. We also saw in game 2 Chovy Liss get 1 for 1 with no flash and a perfect gank of Yikes vs Caps Annie. Just accept it Western goat is washed and Chovy is far better player mechanically than him now.
@pratikroy227 ? I didn't say anything along those lines. Im just talking about the draft. I only used that game as an example because it's when i thought of it. Players pick based on their feeling not based on the information given
Petition to have Drututt on all the time, please.
The funniest guy I've ever seen
25:51 “he is exploding like a guy straight out of prison”
LS what???
I like the no spoilers extra time thing. Very nice innovation. As I commented this, I read a spoiler lmao😂
THE ECTRA TIME FOR NO SPOILER WAS SO SMART
thanks for spoiling
ECTRA
i mean its standart for bo5 highlights, nothing new, Kaza LoL LCS Highlights for example always uses it
@@lecwizard its not standart if only one guy does it
@@PanIKlp259 sneaky also does it if you want another example
Chovy got tired of playing K'Sante mid and he brought out mid trist so he can farm both, not just minions.
It's interesting cause I remember Chovy saying a couple years back his favorite champs to play were bruisers and yet they don't farm minions as well as most carries.
@@JasonJia11 thats why hes one of the best on csing, he practiced so much on farming good with bruisers, which in turn made him farm even better with champs that has no issue on farming
Can Chovy chill
ig he has to farm something
You are just like a minion to him, so obviously he’d farm you over and over
the extra time was so kind, ty
G2 could’ve defo won but they did the quirky gameplay too early and forgot Jankos and Perkz aren’t on the team anymore 😂
Yeah... that would involve the issue being Yike and not Hans and Caps.
idk why people say Caps underperformed... No he performed completely fine. He was just playing against Chovy.... That's all. It is not Underperformed, it's just gapped.
About right people still think it's 2019 Caps that ship sailed 4 years ago he is not the same player anymore.
Ah yes bro because Caps was always shit right? Caps massively underperformed and has been since mid way through Spring split. Yes Chovy played well, but anyone thinking that Caps looks this terrible at his peak... is just deluding themselves.
@@PeoplePleaser578 the point is Caps is no longer on his peak for about a year and a half now. He just gets random pop off games and people think he's still the same Caps. He was great but is past his prime.
@@fathertime7864 Not really - He was on form at MSI last year and during Summer split up until Finals. Same as winter split he was in very good form up until about halfway through Spring and then he and BB started slumping a bit. This narrative that Caps has been crap for over a year is just that - A narrative.
Thanks for the extra time, i really thought G2 might win their second game.
Thank you Dr.Ututt for triggering Hans Sama's voices, telling him he is the main character, so he runs it down.
SNEAKY was starting Cull 2 years ago!
Funniest stream in a long while, the whole vibe was so good
ty editor for not spoiling
6 people top at 9 minutes, genuine top lane experience
Crownie is the GOAT costream guest
extra time for no spoilers. ur a genius
Crownie Druttu carry this and Reven also brings good points and ask good questions love it
Take a shot everytime crownie say “Like”
23:13 crownie's comment killed me man
The 3-1 pattern starts once again!!!
isnt the spoiler thing super bad for watchtime?
Gotta be fun to be an eastern fan every year
Yeah, must be nice to be an eastern fan. Way less heart attacks and sadness
I don't understand why Score doesn't just draft Ahri for Chovy first pick every game until people give it the respect it deserves.
chovy said himself that he doesnt like playing the champ
Chovy does not like free matchups at all.
He did against strong LCK teams like T1 and KT
This series GenG clearly had 0 respect for G2 they knew they were so much better
So why not experiment with drafts?
@@jamiecharlie5765
This might be an EU Copium take.
But since G2 was only really the 4th/3rd best team in Spring, this actually gives me a lot of hope for MAD if they don't choke.
Even tho Gen.G was miles ahead of G2, G2 still managed to get them to stumble a few times through their early aggressive play. And MAD has a similar style but with better coordination and draft.
If MAD doesn't choke, then their series vs T1 and maybe vs Gen.G will be utter bangers even if they don't win.
@@yannicklarafunez4768 the cope is unreal
Random question, what’s that Fiora skin in game 1?
Project Fiora
@@TharlesGG thanks g
Did Doran just straight up level up past couple years he did not play like this??
caps is so gapped god dam
dude i need drututts spanish ad soundbite so bad
Caps trolled so hard game 4
yes only game 4 otherwise he was smurfing..delusional g2 fan he was shit for a solid year now
If you wanna single someone out in that game then single out BB.
Which game has he not trolled even game 3 win has nothing to do with his Annie more to do with GenG throwing with that abysmal drafting.
@@shinji136 Bro BB actually played fairly well that series considering. Caps was a disaster all series long.
I thought i was getting an ad or smth in spotify or somewhere at 25:17 😭😭😭
wjat is extra time for no spoilers
36:53 dont mind my replay bottom
That would be funny Polish National team Druttut, Selfie and Trymbi 😂
Love the extra time to avoid spoilers, very smart move mr editor!
This might be the biggest cope, but if Miky didn’t ult for the useless Kennen who already burned all his cooldowns, the last fight might be winnable
I don't see how G2 was ever Game 4 as long as Gen.g had hands. No tank, predictable CC flank, and low range into a Tristana x Jinx. The failed Baron flank from Brokenblade was pretty much the story of the game. G2 had 1 win con and it was to flank Kennen into a fight. It failed and that was the game. G2 didn't draft a comp that could fight into that range any other way.
Guys im a little confused, is selfie selfmade?
Nope, he is a player/coach, most recently a positional mid-lane coach for Cloud9.
He’s a former EULCS player who played under LS on Super Hot Crew. Bounced around a couple of teams afterwards and went into coaching. Now LFT Player.
@@sean1929 did they fire veigarv2 tho?
@Alexandru Simiuc Nope he's still with the team.
Game 2 was just depressing... hope they can step up in the losers bracket
what a chad, that game 5
3-1 G2 HAHAHAHA what a clown even LS was shocked 😂
man i LOVE this
btw i fucking swear, any game g2 is kinda leading is a green drake soul
could anyone link the let's go crowning clip?
Day one of LS coaching the new easter European pro team
why does CAPS looking like Darth Sidious on the thumbnail 😭😭😭
Hans Sama and Caps are such INTers 😂
Been afk 2 games makes it harder to win
w8 we replace Jankos ndalee for Yike nidalee ?
Keria vs prime wolf. Personally I'm taking SKT Wolf and no one can change my mind
Added spoilers barrier PagBounce editor
Holy shit this group was so funny
I'm using the extra time to read comments 😂
It's nice what you did at the end but it will probably fuck you up in the algorythm for cutting watchtime
Man it’s too many people , esp all talking over in fights and half of the people have heavy ass accents plus a guy got a lisp yo LS this is not possible to decipher
noooooo they missed the IP address joke Druttut made :(((
this shit was posted so fast holy fuckkkk
LS POG
LS POG
It's me or the view party is getting bigger and bigger everyday it passes?
I was a bit sad for crownie not going to msi but at least hes dominating this call
mfs arguing who's the best player in the world between Keria and Chovy. I'll go with Keria. This mf support carried Gumayushit. Without Keria , Guma is nothing tbh 🤭
AGREE. EVERY WORD YOU SAID IS TRUE
@@Jissen05 Not True Guma is an excellent ADC on his own right ofcourse he excels when his support is best in the world but that doesn't mean he is not world class himself. Keria can't carry a diamond player no matter how great he is. The ADC he is paired with needs to be at least Korean challenger level or above for the duo to be excellent and Guma is excellent but I believe Keria the better one between them.
Guma's decent, not the best but not "shit"
Deft and Viper probably better but Deft is a tilter and Viper is hardstuck and Guma has nerves of steel when his team is collapsing around him
chovy best player in the world this man plays like ai
Game 3 😂😂😂
@@Marco-qt5nv whos better
@@Marco-qt5nv Game 3 he was disconnected after the stomping he already dissed out thought his team could easily win 4v5 against these Gold2. But then before Game 4 he realized these Gold2 can actually punish mistakes and not NPCs so he had to reconnect again.
Ofc the costream was a banger with 3 Poles in the call. I swear we're the most deranged country when it comes to random shittalking
Thanks guys! So much fun hanging out watching this!
BB thought he's still in TSM
He didn't played bad at all man wtf are u on?
BB and Yike played out of their minds this series, especially for him being weakside most of the time.
@@tuncaltinkaya He did. He trolled game 1 by allowing Fiora to stack two whole waves, and then trolled game 4 by trying to go for a flank with zero vision on the enemy. He completely griefed the series.
@@quiz4youtriviamaster Letting Fiora stack two waves for a dive and then throwing game 4 with a nonsense no-vision flank attempt is not "playing out of your mind". BB griefed the series, stop coping.
@@shinji136 for a series against koreans and especially looking for toplane where the "biggested gap" is i for sure think he was playing really good. Also i meant it in a way that those 2 played insane especially compared to the rest of the roster. I never coped or anything it was just my opinion that the performance was way above my what i thought, but apparently if u have an opnion than people like you need to overthink it, thanks was a good argument tho lmao
the nidalee curse
Yike smurfed that series man. So sad Caps was inting it, if he gets his act together G2 might do legit damage this tournament yet.
Crownie is pretty annoying, let guys talk. Even he asks questions and does not listen the answer.
Drututt big daddy
I'm starting to lose hope for G2 man
Getting one win is more than many expected, if caps would perform as he usually did they would have had a chance
GEN is the strongest team now G2 fought well
They got completely shit stomped in two games and geng just trolled the third. How is that a good fight?
@@GothPaoki ye bro if the korean team loses they're always just trolling, it's never the other team playing well
@@Marco-qt5nv He usually perform like this tho even in lec spring and msi playins. He just outmatched.
This should be hilarious! There is certain to be loud and perpetual whining about GenG's horrible drafts, followed by audible gnashing of teeth about how utterly awful Caps has become. And how about how GenG trolled every aspect of Game 3. And finally how Peanut couldn't land a spear or cocoon if his life depended on it?
Nidalee 3/0 but still most useless champ in the game xD
For both sides KEKW.
Drut ls crownie kills me lmao
Also so sad watching 5 drafts in a row of g2 refusing to draft damage
Am I the only one that feels that LS' 'casts' are kind of being ruined by these random guests? Some are great but some are... so awful.
When I watch LS content, I expect to hear LS. Not Drututt trying excruciatingly hard to say something funny every 15 seconds, or Crownie saying something stupid and clueless only to realize he's completely wrong 30 seconds later.
Exactly, that’s why i dont watch LS stream, those guests are so annoying
Then go away. The rest of us love it. Nothing of any value is lost with people like you leaving and not watching anymore.
just get perkz back man
mid diff tbh
Pog
The hopium from these guys was sad
Worse than casters
Doms stream was even worse somehow
By the way
LEC Copium
first
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T1 has no chance, they won’t even make it to finals to choke this time XD
Reven needs a better mic if he wants to be in a crowded call.
is this the year of church of chovy?