Plato, Meno | Attempts to Define Virtue | Philosophy Core Concepts

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    This is a video in my new Core Concepts series -- designed to provide students and lifelong learners a brief discussion focused on one main concept from a classic philosophical text and thinker.
    This video focuses on Plato's dialogue, The Meno, examines the attempts made in that dialogue to define "virtue," and looks at Socrates' objections to Meno's proposed definitions.
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  • @jenellycherrez6820
    @jenellycherrez6820 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I take philosophy and this video just saved my paper

  • @nameetharish9385
    @nameetharish9385 8 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Your fluency on the subjects you teach is seen so clearly. Great videos!! Love having you has a resource.

  • @Quebedify
    @Quebedify 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    you make this philosophy shit obscenely enjoyable. its fuckin crazy man

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +Sphi Noyd Thanks for that enthusiastily phrased note -- glad the videos are enjoyable for you

  • @gabrielgarcia7554
    @gabrielgarcia7554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you for posting these types of videos. I enjoy listening and reading Ancient Greek philosophy, so these videos are extremely helpful in contextualising their main points and themes.
    I think classical philosophy is probably the most underrated and it is the most applicable for the average person. Thank you for helping bridge the gap in understanding and ensuring that this knowledge can be as accessible as possible to anyone who can understand English and has an internet connection.

  • @GregoryBSadler
    @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    New Core Concept video, on one of the central issues in this dialogue. The answer? Unfortunately. . . no.

  • @peterbengo2286
    @peterbengo2286 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Am grateful: this video has made me feel like I have read the whole dialogue

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, you still should read it

  • @Sakurabigail
    @Sakurabigail 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Just found your channel and it’s a god sent!!! Really helped me understand the main points discussed in Plato’s Meno story!! Thank you so much!!

  • @ADpopstargirl
    @ADpopstargirl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In order to become virtuous socrates believed we must arrive at knowledge of what virtue really is. The nature of virtue is the necessary and sufficient conditions for one to become virtuous. I have realised through this Nietzsche's philosophy, that one of the conditions could very well be adversity. Because we learn from misfortunes and difficulties.

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, that's an interesting combination, framing matters in terms of "necessary and sufficient conditions" and then bringing in a thinker like Nietzsche

  • @reemnabil2290
    @reemnabil2290 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They finally reached a conclusion at the end of the dialogue and agreed that virtue is a gift from God bestowed upon some people. It is not learned or acquired, but rather given.

    • @Cam-gk4dk
      @Cam-gk4dk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But the definition of virtue gets seen even deeper in the Republic

    • @st.paulmn9159
      @st.paulmn9159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

  • @tomrichey
    @tomrichey 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great lecture! This reminds me a lot of Euthyphro and Socrates' attempt to get him to nail down the idea of piety. I guess all of these go back to the same theory of forms?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do -- but you'll notice that in the Meno and Euthyphro, Plato doesn't use the term "form"

    • @tomrichey
      @tomrichey 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gregory B. Sadler Does he use it in other dialogues? I'm not really that familiar with any of them outside of Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and now Meno to an extent. Hoping to get acquainted with more of them by watching your lectures.

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, since if he didn't it would be pretty unlikely that anyone would talk about "Plato's theory of the forms"!
      You'll find it used more in dialogues like the Republic, Parmenides, Phaedrus, etc.

  • @jackgulley5789
    @jackgulley5789 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “The Socrates Shuffle” haha love that! Thanks for the lecture, great companion to my reading.

  • @tomrichey
    @tomrichey 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do you focus on the teachability of virtue in any of your videos? I know that this is a big deal in Meno (and also Protagoras) and you mentioned that Aristotle digs even deeper into how we acquire virtue. I'd definitely like to hear more on this subject!

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd look through the Plato and Aristotle playlists on my channel. You'll find some relevant stuff in there

  • @TR-gg2mb
    @TR-gg2mb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I didn't know that Penn and Teller taught philosophy now, nice surprise

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're about 6-7 years late with your joke. Always fun y when people think they've come up with an original quip

    • @TR-gg2mb
      @TR-gg2mb 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gregory B. Sadler Penn or not, no complaints here. You helped me out big time with Meno!

  • @mrsmirx4176
    @mrsmirx4176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    so is it my lack of understanding or is there no actual definition of virtue? I've spent a long time already trying to find the answer but fail to do so

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mr Smirx you probably want to read more classic virtue ethics texts then

  • @Zarakendog
    @Zarakendog 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In Aristotle's ethics, doesn't Aristotle resolve the paradox in the heart of Meno by suggesting that Virtue is wisdom (understanding) of the good and acting in accordance with that wisdom?

  • @vinewoodx
    @vinewoodx 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, Gregory. I really appreciate the effort on these videos, but it would be really helpful to people like me, who doesn't have the english as the main language, to learn more about your philosophical series with subtitles in your own language, or even better, in spanish (I know, it would be really hard, I'll stick to the english subtitles). Congratulations from Colombia and thank you very much.

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Glad you enjoy the videos.
      Since I do the work that goes into these essentially for free (there's a little -- very little -- ad revenue, and occasional donations) -- and each of these 10-20 minute videos represents a good hour to two hours of work -- I'm not likely to start putting in additional unpaid time to produce subtitles.

  • @albedougnut
    @albedougnut 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video. I am dyslexic, so some of the more formal language in philosophical texts can make it difficult for me to read without a preemptive idea of what is being discussed.

  • @danielherrasti3648
    @danielherrasti3648 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's a clear and nice explanation, great video. Greetings from Spain.

  • @ME-ud5fo
    @ME-ud5fo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah, you are everywhere! I am in your Hegel class :-)

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, a bit of me is everywhere my videos are, I suppose

  • @CristianoDaMenace
    @CristianoDaMenace 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey man!
    This video is great and I had a question, is besides Aristophanes (450-ca 386 BCE), Plato (429-347 BCE), and Xenophon (430-404 BCE) were there any additional accusers of Socrates ?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plato and Xenophon are not accusers of Socrates

  • @northernlightsofthes
    @northernlightsofthes 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is extremely helpful, Dr. Sadler. I am a Latinist but I got it. :)

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +primus pares Well, I'm not one of those Greek-readers who looks down on Latin! Glad the video was useful

  • @arturkvieira
    @arturkvieira 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing work. Keep it up!

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have been since that video was shot

  • @EnlightenAvenue
    @EnlightenAvenue 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    From Meno's question from Socrates, what is the formula for a philosophical question?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here you go - th-cam.com/video/OV_T8Emyf6I/w-d-xo.html

  • @Egoseus
    @Egoseus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!! and you look like Christian Bale somehow

  • @Literalchimpanze
    @Literalchimpanze ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, thanks for a very educational video. I understand the concept behind Meno; however, is it not irrational to take the plurality of many into the summation of one? For example, Meno poses many different virtues; however, Socrates wants a one word definition.
    I’m not sure Socrates was completely satisfied with the Definition of Virtue.

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  ปีที่แล้ว

      "is it not irrational to take the plurality of many into the summation of one?"
      No, it is not

  • @ensoymada2659
    @ensoymada2659 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what kind of question was meno asking? what was the nature of his question?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here you go - th-cam.com/video/OV_T8Emyf6I/w-d-xo.html

  • @MArk-yn4sp
    @MArk-yn4sp 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video. I'm looking for a vid on the Socratic Paradox and how Geach (1966) falls into the picture. Can you assist, please? tx

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/vkXKtxleGA8/w-d-xo.html

  • @sisneroscarl4653
    @sisneroscarl4653 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of question is Meno asking to Socrates?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That sounds like a homework or test question

  • @mrmelanson34
    @mrmelanson34 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what a cliff hanger!

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because they don't end defining it?

    • @mrmelanson34
      @mrmelanson34 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes sir, it seems that the conclusion they didn't reach helped to at least rid the idea of what virtue isn't and simultaneously shine some light on what sort of qualities virtue has by negation. of course, this is probably a very common view, but it's nice to appreciate what was done by not coming to any definite conclusion. Socrates method is a very humbling one! probably a good requisite for acquiring virtue.

    • @jogon2433
      @jogon2433 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrmelanson34they sort of did define it, only thing is that not everybody believes in God !

  • @bg-se7rq
    @bg-se7rq ปีที่แล้ว

    I can understand Socrates … wisdom is a balance of emotion & reason. Plato’s reason… Bing, true objectivity. Every moment is an opportunity to practice this balance, which, when balanced, comprises humans’ Virtue ??

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would say Nope

    • @bg-se7rq
      @bg-se7rq ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GregoryBSadler great point you made.. I would say wisdom is the balance of emotions and reason which are the only 2 features of life we can truly control. Wisdom is your missing link. But thanks for the feedback. Helpful

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bg-se7rq I'd still say Nope. Better to reread the texts instead of giving an off-base take on what's in them, like you're doing here

  • @davea6308
    @davea6308 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what is Virtue?

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/xgf2jztjaF4/w-d-xo.html

  • @sarahlam5884
    @sarahlam5884 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always don'y understand... Why Socrates always wanted to find the forms of everything... I mean here, diversification of ideas can be a good thing, why he insisted on finding the unitary "virtue" or other things...

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In order to understand the many in terms of the one. He's far from the only person who made that a goal

  • @deangelomckee9518
    @deangelomckee9518 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Virtue has to be qualities, which are both learned and acquired naturally.

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You realize that the video isn't asking you for your definition of virtue, but discussing the Platonic text

    • @deangelomckee9518
      @deangelomckee9518 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gregory B. Sadler I am fully aware of that. I merely like to write my options out in order to make them concrete in my minds eye. but thank you.

    • @deangelomckee9518
      @deangelomckee9518 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      opinion *

  • @sekoe1er
    @sekoe1er 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:50 zD

  • @mukibrr7470
    @mukibrr7470 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hehe

  • @dom52077
    @dom52077 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Virtue is the quality of the optimal mode of being

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, I guess since you're offering a definition, you can now go through what a Socratic dialogical examination of that definition would involve. . . . See if it's really any good

  • @sadiel1
    @sadiel1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my head hurts

    • @GregoryBSadler
      @GregoryBSadler  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, nothing I can do about that