HOW I DISCOVERED THE REAL TIMING TO SALSA ON 2???
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- Former International Salsa Instructor & Eddie Torres Dancer, Edgard Del Rosario shares his experience on how he Discovered (or was taught) the Real timing to Salsa On 2. Edgard has danced on stage with Celia Cruz, Tito Puente's Band, Tony Vega, Domingo
Quinonez at the World famous Madison Square Garden. As well as having an extensive 20 year History in the Salsa world.
Mastering Salsa On 2 is a TH-cam Channel & Website dedicated to training people to Master New York Style Salsa using the Natural Timing of the Conga Drums. Created by Edgard Del Rosario's 20 Years training dancers from all over the world using Edgard's unique cutting edge Dance Technique, this Channel will help Revolutionize the way you see & dance Salsa On 2.
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As someone who has always danced on 1 and just wants to know enough about salsa on 2 to be able to dance with any male partner, this all sounds like chinese to me.. :)) I will keep trying to figure it all out and maybe one day I will be able to not make a fool of myself and adapt to any salsa style..
I started my dancing journey one year ago. My teacher always tells me learn the music don't just steps.
So I really appreciate this content!!!
Some teachers advocate listening to various instruments & their usually regular parts- tumbao,
etc.
Thank you Edgard, for me you address the 'elephant in the room' of Salsa On2 basics and musicality! I discovered what you teach here over many years and also struggled for a long time because of ignoring the 4 and the 8 counts. What helped me eventually was becoming thoroughly familiar with Cha cha cha and a little familiar with Son and ballroom Rumba timing. But until your video, I found no one addressing the fact that so many excellent dancers do what Eddie and Maria do here. Bookmarked and subscribed, I salute you!
Eddie Torres and his wife are the prime example of the good NYC/PR style Salsa dancing. It's excellent way to get one's Aerobic workout...😇 When I dance I don't even count, just go with the flow... Happy New Years everyone... :)
Please make more! This helped so much 🌶️🌟
It looks like Eddie is stepping after the coo -coo sound which means he is stepping on 1 and 5.
Yup, and if you talk to Eddie he'll say he's stepping on the 1
The melody starts on 1, also stepping on 1 first makes the transition to 2 smoother.
Therefore “ET style” 123, even if not pure on2, is a way to be connected to both melody and rhythm in a smoother way.
It’s a preference, both timings have they pros and cons.
Brilliant for sure you are!!!
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Good video! Thank you for putting this info together. Are you still making videos about dancing on 2?
Fiinally I don´t feel like I´m totally missing the music! I haven´t explored much of your content but I would love to know better how to recognize when the music changes ...Thank you thank you for your clear good work.
Wow thnx. I’m trying to learn the initial steps and I think I found the perfect videos to simply learn it the right way from the beginning. A friend mentioned to me the conga rhythm a bit but I’m not sure he specifically said to start on the coo-coo rather right after
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Very interested. I can see how this would change the syncopation of the danse. Yes, you start earlier on the first and third bars which give you more time between the & and the "slap." Cool, now how will I ever retrain my muscle memory to do this naturally. Yet another On2 challenge after mastering the transition from On1 to On2, meaning On2 on 1-2-3. Cheers.
This lines up musically with American Rhythm Style Mambo, which breaks on 2/3 and steps 4, hold 1. ET just likes to start with the lead's back break on 2, instead of forward on 2, and dances a more linear style, versus the rotation in AR Mambo. Watching lots of "on-2" dancers who try to dance 1-2-3, 5-6-7, they usually fall into breaking on 1 like "on-1" style salsa, or dancing 2-3-4 like you described in this video, and how ET does in most videos, despite describing it as "1-2-3". I think "on-2" style with a move on 1, and break on 2, will fall out of popularity soon as most people like "on-1" or "2-3-4" timing better, because they naturally break quickly and then hold after the moving step, just accenting different styles of music. The whole "move-break-replace-stop" is just not very rhythmical, and people end up waltzing their salsa in an attempt to keep up with the timing. I'm glad to see someone trying to push "on-2" dancers to evolve (or really go back to the roots) of what works well. Dance innovation is great, but it has to make sense both physically and musically.
I never ignore koong koong and i am a primarily on 1 dancer...
Hello, i am a cuban percusionist, not a great dancer baut what i realized is that this is just a way to step like in Son Cubano that starts also on Coo Coo, thats why sometimes it looks like he is dancing Son Cubano, wich mean that he didnt created something new, just adapted Cuban son to LA style
How do you dance on 1 and cuban? Also on the conga?
Thanks for the video! Really informative and puts on2 into perspective. However, when you dance the on2 basics (as a lead) starting with your first step on the cooncoon and breaking on 2, the feel seems like a much slower version of doing your basics when you dance on1? This is kinda confusing me or I'm not sure If I misunderstood something. Could you explain? Thanks!!
From one perspective it will feel slower. That is what makes Salsa On 2 more appealing to some dancers. That extra time is the time for you to improvise, style and move. When you are a beginner, that extrat time can be a nightmare, when you have more experience and you explore your style and shines, that extra time is your "Play time." Thanks for watching and commenting
Not only is it slower than the marchlike cadence of On 1, but stepping on the Pa gives you time to breathe and feel the groove inside your body.
Finally a musician teaching salsa
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi! Really interesting video - thanks for putting in so much work to show the concept musically. I've just been watching Eddie Torres mambo instructional video in the 90s where he is clearly teaching 123 on2 mambo. Really great video - esp focusing on body movt rather than toes and hands teaching that seems so common now. th-cam.com/video/5PdyxQqXSI4/w-d-xo.html. ----- So question: Did he change his approach completely from 123 to coo coo step at a certain point in time or did he use them for different styles - i.e. coo coo step for Cuban style music as in your excerpt and 123 for NY jazz influenced salsa? Thanks
So it´s actually Contratiempo , like in Son?
Yes!
Please share it with your Salsa Friends!
I am a bit confused...I thought that modern on2 and contratiempo was different. I was told that modern on2 dancers star dancing on the first beat.
It is being taught that way Internationally, but it is NOT True! Therefore the purpose of this channel and my mission in the way I teach. I want to reveal the truth and help those pwho want to Learn and Dance the Natural way, that they can. Students don't have a choice because most teachers don't either know what they are talking about or have been taught wrong themselves.
There are people who dance "on2" 123-567 (breaking/changing direction on the 2 AKA slap of the conga) and those who dance "true on2" aka Son timing -234-678, which is how Cuban Son is danced. Some start on the 8 and some wait for the 2. Check out Franklyn Diaz, who teaches 123-567. A lot of people do say they dance 123-567 and break on the 2, (not like 0n2 where its danced 123-567 but the break/change of direction is on1), but they drag the 4 to the middle than change weight on the 5. With dancers who use their body more, like Franklyn Diaz and Jesus David Muñoz, stepping on the 1 and breaking on the 2 is different than dancing "on2 SON timing." Calling either "on2" is really semantics. The important part is knowing if you are steeping on the 1 or the 8 before you break on the 2 (aka the up beat/slap on the conga). In Salsa it is really hard to hear the conga because of the heavy down beat, in Cuban Son there is not as heavy horn section and more. I actually dance on the 123-567 and I switch to Son timing by not holding the two open tones on the conga which is the 8&/4&. This channel/gentlemen does explain this very well, and he is right that some people who teach say 123-567 in the class but than dance 234-678 on the floor, but there are people (like myself who start on the 1). I play the congas and the bongos and have been dancing on1 and on2 for many years now. What I tend to fallow myself is the basic cowbell and the slap. The cowbell is the 1-3-5-7 (basically speaking) and the slap is the 2 and the 6. The "concon" (two open tones of the conga) are 4&/8&. So I listen for the DING of the cowbell on the 1-3-5-7 and the Slap So... Ding(1),Slap(2),Ding(3),ConCon(4&) and I actually start on the ding and the concon are a body movement/weight transition before I step on the next down beat.
@@NavyGuero83 it all depends on the music played, can 't do son all the time, it will make you look silly, i dance all 8 when NY style music is being played. point is it's either newyork style or cuban, and i can tell right the way if a person is dancing cuban. i.e. not very pretty ,)
@@youtuub I think it’s important to be able to change timings absolutely! To each their own, really, have fun. But were I take issue is the teachers who are knowledgeable but confuse music notation with style. Style is a preference and music notation is basically a mathematical way of breaking down rhythms.
@@NavyGuero83i know you do have some good understanding that's why am willing to share with you. put it simply, on2 is basically one beat/note behind on1 style, so you are right that the concon either you travel i.e. on2, or pose fixed both feet on the ground i.e. on1, i prefer on2 because both partners are in dancing mode all the time, i.e. in transition, in a live dance , lively dance . which fits well with modern music which is full of creativity. i.e. the notes are tight and full of lyrics, i.e. not much of poses or concon. in other words concon are older kind of music, i can dance with music that displays none of the ancient instrumentals cited above, i.e. cowbell, slap, conga and claves and what not. good dancer like myself are very rare, , can dance with just keyboard and whole loads of spanish horns and continuous lyrics, i.e. full flesh modern newyork style in the truest sense, anybody discussing or attempting to deal with ancient instruments, they ain't on2 dancer, they are just beginner, or just discovering on2.. or talk themselves into on2, i.e. by teaching on2 they think they can learn on2, very laughable indeed. but deep down don't have a clue what on2 is, it's a mystery to them, they can attempt to explain it, but it's not IT ,) and frankly they can't even do the basic on2 mambo steps right, even though they say they do it correctly , via youtube clips. isn't it laughable? they are kidding themselves.
If you dance this kind of way, it's just contratiempo, it's a kind of on 2, but not the most popular version which is NY on 2, which is indeed counted on 123 567. Both ways are correct, don't say that one is real and imply the other one is "fake'.
Hi! Can you help me wrap my head around all this please? I am dancing cuban casino for a while and also son. This year I decided to expand with on2 so I began classes. Our teacher however doesn't teach us to step on the coco, or the 8 the way we do it on son. We truly begin on 1, break on 2 and then pause is on 4 and 8. Before I began classes many people told me "it's the son count, it's the same basically", but then at classes I found it quite different. Now, many materials on the internet, including this video, explain it exactly the way I expect it to be. I am glad that you commented that both are correct though because it was really confusing me.
Do you know if there is any popular terminology used to describe both variants? I find it confusing that both are refered as on2, while they feel different. And another question - probably the ET way was the old school way, right? How come this other way (with the pause on 4 and 8) appeared and became so dominant?
@@yoanalexander Actually to this point I am a bit confused too, bcs different sources has different explains. I just call it the contratiempo timing or Son timing, coz there r many style using this timing, puerto rican mambo, palladium mambo. And begin on 1, break on 2 then pause on 4 and 8, this is NY on 2 no doubt. However sometimes I see the lead doing 234 678(breaking backward on 2), and the follower doing NY on 2 123 567, they don't interfere, they function together. And they would both call it NY on 2, it's correct if you follow this video's idea. Hope that helps.
@@rayscher thanks! I was in fact curious if they work together well.
@@rayscher I am curious to hear your opinion on the following. Could it be that the non-son on2 (start on 1 and break on 2) is popular because it's easier to teach? I mean, when I first began with Son I recall that it was a major brainfuck to understand that we start on 8. However, starting on 1 appears quite easy for beginners. Could it be that the 123,567 on2 variant is a simplification?
@@yoanalexander Exactly. At least from What I was told, Eddie Torres popularize this step on 1 break on 2 thing bcs it's easier to teach to the public, especially when many ppl are not familiar with salsa music thus can not find the conga rhythm. But he fall back to 234 678 after the first bar of the music, means he's only using the first step on 1 to initiate the basic step, however these day for some reasons I yet to discover, closing your steps on 1/5 became the NY on 2 official basic step.
I am not 100% sure on this topic as well, other ppl feel free to correct me.