Red light protest in Utrecht (Netherlands) [352]
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2014
- The Utrecht chapter of the Fietsersbond (Cyclists' Union) and the organisation Kracht van Utrecht joined forces in a protest against long waiting times for people cycling in Utrecht in The Netherlands. More info in the blog post: bicycledutch.wordpress.com/20...
![[풀영상] 2024 김연경 초청 세계여자배구 올스타전 "팀 스타 VS 팀 월드" [유료광고 포함] #김연경 #국가대표 #배구 #배구올스타전 #팀스타 #팀월드](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SUKUgH1ltng/mqdefault.jpg)
I’m glad to live in a country where we can protest about stuff like this
Already ahead of most other cities and still continuing to improve. Much respect.
I've got a friend that complains that things are much better off than they were before yet people keep complaining, I tell him that for things to get much better off you need people complaining about the current state of things
most important bit at 1:06 that so many people don't get when they scold cyclists for "ignoring" red lights. we don't ignore them but take them as a hint. we have to take responsibility for our safety anyway - a green light does not guarantee it at all - thus we go whenever it is safe not when some insignificant light is on.
Yes, I don't cycle as I live in a cycling death trap but walk for short journeys and take the bus for longer ones. On foot I just look both ways and cross based on my own judgement, at some junctions, you'll be waiting about 2 minutes to cross. I'll look at the light, but won't robotically follow it, I find it a double standard to disapprove of a bike running a red light so much more than crossing the road on a red man, I don't really see the major difference, people don't think rules are meant to be followed to the letter regardless, rules are supposed to be used as a guideline of what you perhaps should do, but not as God's law and not all rules are sensible and have a good reason, I hate following and break rules that I don't think are in place for a good reason if I can get away with it
This is an important video, because it demonstrates that good cycling infrastructure doesn’t come about by magic (even in a country like the netherlands), you have to fight for it
This was recommended to me, in June 2020.
It's the middle of the night, I half-asleep clicked it, it started with; 'This is a protest...' and I thought "ugh...more violence-"
"in utrecht against long waitingtimes-"
"Oh...oh right..krentenbollen and calmth. Nice."
In Idaho they have a stop-as-yield law that lets cyclists treat stop signs as yield signs and red lights as stop signs. So you can go when it's safe.
That is basically an unwritten rule here. (But there are no stop signs for cyclists)
TheCrazyCrewNL and police arrested 144 people at one junction in one day for it.
Tom van den Elzen I guess you mean detained. It is not an arrest-able offence.
@@tomaatje321 Society works best when the government stays the fuck away from it, what else is new? :P
@@Katt1n I really hope you only mean in this one specific circumstance, not every single thing the government does...
My opinion on this video: 2:10
:')))))
Haha : D I thought he's showing middle finger
Drive-by upvote
Fantastic video. It really shows a different way of thinking about traffic lights and how space is used. Thank you.
chaos :) and a 100 meter waiting line. that was something for guinness book world records 2014
My concern is here that the police simply took the advantage to give cyclist tickets for no reason, if it indeed was known that something like signs that weren't needed on that location or simply the delay cause..
Perhaps the police should observe the situation and report before they actually stop people and give them a additional bill.
But ofcourse, that's not how the police want to look at things.
Tickets aren't given often to cyclists
@@corejourneydotorg3166
Only if you have a broken light.
Well you know the age old expression.... fuck the police. Seriously, fuck the police, they aren't actually protect us from actual harm or they can GTFO.
They probably were ordered to do it lmao.
Maybe they got complaints from other people about the cyclists ignoring the red light?
I remember that bike traffic jam, it was so bad! And it was a perfect illustration of the issues of that junction. I never used to stop for red light there, but now I do, things have improved :-) (and I'm no longer in a rush to get to class, haha)
good old uni highway haha
0:55 you can't get more dutch: rain, cycling in the rain and cycling through a red light
Someone from utrecht here, the junction on the maliebaan is still the same. usually when the walking light goes green I cross, like many others
I remember when I studied in Utrecht that if a light goes green, everybody goes, and the light stays green until everyone has crossed, even if it went back to red. I absolutely loved it xD
It's the worst intersection of all of utrecht when it comes to traffic lights
@@markiemannie No it's not. Try crossing the Europalaan-Zuid on the three junctions Winthontlaan/Hollantlaan, Australiëlaan and next to the Europaplein roundabout at street level (so not via the cyclists tunnel): very long waiting times! In that tunnel sometimes pedestrians are causing dangerous situations, walking next to each other on a busy cyclists lane. They too choose to avoid the annoying long waiting times at the traffic lights on surface.
What bothers me is people on mopeds using the cycle lanes
Only the mopeds that go 25kmph or slower are allowed on the cycling lanes. The ones that go faster have to drive on the car lanes.
sometimes they're forced to go on the cycle lanes as they are not always allowed on car lanes
Good thing you don't live in a third world country mate.
25 km/h max mopeds.
Speed isn't the only problem. It's mass and stopping distance and depending if full face helmets are required on any moped, less peripheral vision.
It doesn't seem like a good mix at any speed.
BTW, I ride both and would never go in a bike lane.
Now eBikes...I presume thy must also limit to 25kph?
Those buses are huge
Here in the UK The Traffics can often not see/ detect cyclist when they are at a red light. The lights for the adjacent traffic will turn red but if I am on a bike mine will remain on red then the adjacent will turn green again. This will leave me with little chose but to jump the lights.
It's so good to see there are people somewhere, that think like me. It's unfortunate that I live in Poland, where if you cross a intersection on red light, even though it's completly safe, people consider you as a bandit and treat like you just murdered someone...
Some people respect the law too much, and they seem to not notice, that the law in some situations is not working well, and it's just better to think for yourself, than blindly follow the rules.
There is also another thing that pisses me off. I don't know how is it in other countries, but in Poland you are not allowed to cross a road on pedestrian crossing while cycling. You are supposed to go off a bike, walk with it through the crossing, and then get on a bike again. In most of the situations this is really pointless, but police can punish you for it anyways.
It is like that in most parts of Canada. North America is not known for its walking/cycling friendliness.
I live in Arizona... This place is horrendous for it's poor cyclist infrastructure and regulation against bicycles!
There's an intersection in Marin where I have to cross using the cross walk, and remount to use the road. I "always" get off before I use the crosswalk and I get back on cyclo cross style.
Because bicycles have no legal rights on a side walk or crosswalk. ( Avoid being a victim).
Totally incredible to see so many bikes
Signal timings is one area where AI could really optimize traffic flow, assuming it gets enough input data throughout the city. The fact that this one signal was set up wrong tells me that it is all probably still manually configured.
i hope the people who got fined get refunded
Ha. I thought this was a protest against The Red Light District....then, I thought.
This is The Netherlands! 😉😉
Yes we're a bunch of non disciplined narco state inhabitants. Actually most know the Dutch as merchants and vicars, only sex and drug addicts are disregarding our history.
I think it is interesting that you portray the guy in the UK riding out in the middle of the street with cars coming as being safe. I seem to recall someone else showing that video or one like it as being an example of being unsafe.
+Timothy Fish When you immediately start cycling when the light turns green you have no way out in case a turning truck cuts you off. But you can jump a red light any time you want. Unless you pick the wrong moment. So stupid cyclists stop for red. Smart cyclists always jump red. That's it basically. Not sure the police will understand. Let us know the outcome if you think you belong in the second category.
drie wiel The guy in the video was doing more than jumping a red light, he was weaving through traffic. As for starting immediately on green, the bigger danger is that you might get hit by someone running a red light.
Well said! The uk cyclist has a dead wish.
Ttrucker There's a big difference between cyclists who treat red lights like two-way stop signs -- stopping, checking traffic, yielding, and then eventually going through on red -- and cyclists who continue at speed through a red light. I think we can all agree that the latter are a dangerous nuisance. The former, however, are not hurting anybody and are only trying to get where they're going as quickly and safely as possible, and I do believe that in that situation its safer for these cyclists to simply go through when it is safe than to wait for the light to tell them so.
Yet most cyclists are killed by turning trucks.
ARGH........... and in Ottawa, Canada we are called /entitled/ just for taking 19 parking spaces for additional pedestrian space.
God I envie your problems:)
Cycling daily at a city with barely any cycling lanes and very little regard to cyclists
brussels?
@@marc44444 Almost all cities in Germany.
I think these people are bent out of shape because someone touched their sweet roll.
and just how many motor vehicles went through that junction while all those cyclists were held up?
wot if a cyclist was drivering moter viecle
Not as many people as were waiting for that red light, that's for sure, it's one of the main access ways to get to the university campus by bike.
Less than 10% of the waiting cyclists.
Actually, even traffic light for car are generally useless.
Here in Groningen there are quite a lot of intersections that have green for all cyclists at the same time so you can make a left turn as well. While that's a nice idea, the problem i have with these intersections is that is that it's only green when it's green in all directions. many times i see pedestrian lights green while bike lights are not and people continueing to wait for the red traffic light. There's plenty of times where i'm the only one ignoring the red light in favour of the green pedestrian light, because i know it's safe to cross. I seriously doubt that the benefit of being able to turn left weighs up against the less times green going straight ahead as most people need to go straight.
Now i've written an e-mail to fiets stad Groningen, but they say that it's not possible to have the all directions green at one time and green for going straight at another time. I can see a simple solution to this, having the pedestrian lights be a combined light for both pedestrians and cyclists going straight and keeping the all directions green lights.
Maybe you can address these crossings in one of your videos
frisianmouve I live in Groningen, and I sincerely think that doing so is a VERY bad idea since most crossing located on the diepenring actually have a higher density of cyclists than cars during rush hour. This means that having all of them cross with pedestrians at the same time could cause dangerous situations for the pedestrians.
Is it international rules when it comes cycling, you are considered pedestrian when you are in pedestrian lane, am I correct? If I'm incorrect, please correct me. I stand to be corrected. You can yield on pedestrian to avoid the opposite traffic light.
I used to come across all these spots everyday when I went to work lol
I want this to be the problem I complain about with biking.
This makes me very sad to see the valuable resources that are being squandered. Fight for a better tomorrow, today. Our resources are the most important thing!
Thank you for your excellent video, in my country Scotland I find that often lights are only set or thought about for cars, so the time it can take to travel a quite long distance between the lights for a bike , sometimes a car is moving of into the path of the bike trying to get through, o for the Dutch system trust me its a lot gooderer l😆l.
1:25 this scene is a bit funny because you can clearly see how much space automobile take in our city. There are much more people in that ±2 m wide cycling lane than the wider 2 lane car nearby. The traffic jam is also caused by traffic light wich is created FOR the cars.
Pedestrians then bikes then public transport then private cars and delivery vehicles. That’s the hierarchy as it should be.
I wish to have these kind of problems in madrid
0:25 yo this is like a couple of blocks away from my neighborhood. Got hit by a car on my bike here once. I'm not the only one since there is a school 50 meters down the road so it's kind of common for that to happen
Respect Holland from ROMANIA
Utrecht doesn't lie in Holland it lies in the netherlands
Utrecht isnt in holland, its in utrecht in the netherlands.
Riding is life
Who else randomly got this in their recommendations?
1:06 "Other Countries"
Traffic on the left hand side is a bit of a giveaway isn't it? :)
Hi markenlei the first junction ought to be a simultaneous green. I also saw a later (faulty) junction that does not obey sustainable safety principles in that a motorist who wanted to turn left had to yield to oncoming vehicles (including bicycles) whereas the norm now in NL is that green means go, meaning there should be a left turn arrow for that motorist. That would surely help at a junction near my apartment, where I often witness conflict and near misses.
As you said, there is always room for improvement and I sure would love to have wide paths plus superb safe junctions in my neighbourhood!!
Drive must go on.....
lol i have a road down the street that will keep you waiting for 10 minutes, i shit you not
stays on red for 2 minutes when there's 0 cars around too...
ok, it's probably the most important road in the city, with 2 bridges and a train station along its route going all the way from north to south.
anyway they set up a green wave for automobilists that keep to a certain speed, so they can flow the green lights
but the absolute PoS doesn't bother to check whether there's 1 car or 1000 cars and just dumb rotates the sequence regardless of the traffic.
so yeah we're running red lights
My city just recently built a junction with extreme wait times for cyclist. I didn't measure the duration, but I waited so long that the light went through at least 10 different phases before allowing me to pass. And since it was an indirect left turn, I had to wait for the first light to clear out. And to make matter worst, I had to cross a right turning lane before waiting for the first light, and as usual in this god-forsaken country cars have priority over cyclists, so I had to wait there too. And the worst is that this junction is considered to be excellent bike infrastructure since the bike lanes are separated from the road (it's actually a mixed-use sidewalk with a painted line in the middle, nothing fancy).
Not the junction only but the whole stretch of road is awfully designed, with bike lanes that dumps you onto dangerous roundabouts or bus lanes where you actually have to yield to buses coming from behind you. There's a sloped section that's so bad it's almost funny, where there is a mixed-use sidewalk going downhill (at a relatively steep gradient) and only a painted bike lane going uphill, where cars love to pass you very close by.
It's really hard to believe that all of his was built last year, not 10 years ago, and is supposed to be excellent bike infrastructure by current standards...
Good for you
I was thinking other kind of red light.
lol
With or without the red light waiting, it's still much better than other countries.
I wish US streets are more friendly to the cyclists.
Those are not sweet rolls >=( They are Krentenbollen! Raisin buns!
Well, it's a roll and it is sweet.
Sweet rolls is prima anders moet hij ook nog in het Engels uitleggen wat een fucking krentenbol is.
0:56 That child is literally standing on the bike, lol
Ooooh sweet rolls? Last time I was in Utrecht it was to see Adrian Vandenberg with Whitesnake, but I didn’t get a sweet roll. Maybe because I wasn’t on a bike 😊
i thought it was about the other red light
only two minutes of red? I timed some of the light here in Alabama, many of them are up to 7 minutes! Obviously I live in a place where you have to drive and there are no other options. This causes roads to be excessively wide, sometimes up to 10 lanes.
In the netherlands a 5 lane road is extremelt wide
There is room for improovement in all lands.
never expect a cop to use their brain to see the bigger picture and solve problems at a systems level.
they act like machines most of the time.
A little bit of a solution is glooming on the horizon. A bridge across the Merwedekanaal from the Kanaalweg to the Heycopplantsoen and a tunnel beneath the railway to the Nicolaas Beetsstraat are parts of a missing bypass connection from the southwestern side of Utrecht to the northeastern side of the city. However, this is just planned for years to come, 2025 is the earliest year for it to happen.
It will shorten the route to the Maliebaan by about a kilometer and take away much of the bicycle traffic at the Ledig Erf crossing.
Imagine drivers would strat to do the same..
Op de F3906 in Utrecht, 100 meter file door z'n kut licht die niet groen wilt worden.
A bycycle traffic jam, some stuff which can only happen in the Netherlands :D
Ik wist dat dit niet helemaal logisch zou zijn bij 0:23
what a horrible problem in the country, waiting so long for just a stoplight.
2 minutes of standing at a red light? Thats very, very short for german standards....
I wish the Chinese would of followed the Dutch model .
Mag ik weten waarom dit in het Engels is. Moet ik die fietsbond nu ook al aan de wilgen hangen?
Arno Schrauwers Dit is voor een internationaal publiek. Die mensen spreken doorgaans geen Nederlands.
markenlei
Het zal je verbazen.
What a silly idiot. By being in English it can reach exponentially larger audiences.
I never stop for any damn sign
Rightfully so, but be on the lookout for cops.
This needs to be replaced by a Dutch roundabout to stop this. The same thing can happen to drivers. They complain that the red light was too long when there was no traffic in the cross-street. Now the same thing happens to cyclists. It's absolutely unacceptable that the green and red time can multiply by 5 in just one night even for drivers and pedestrians. I remember that before the Poynton intersection was replaced, the green time for cars and the red time for pedestrians was unacceptable.
VIALIS HAS THE BEST TRAFFIC LIGHTS! MINE OPINION
Oh,so they are not getting rid of the ladies then..
Traffic rules in the Netherlands as a cyclist: If you can make it to the other side without getting killed or fined, go for it.
Yes do the opposite of what the law tells you to do 😀
So now there is a car queue??
Cars ARE the traffic.
No!!Cyclist are also the traffic!We all are on the road to get somewhere.But cyclist all think that they are special.
Imagine all these cyclists in the 100 meter traffic jam, know imagine all of them taking the car instead of a bycicle. Do you think that has a positif or a negative impact in the traffic flow?
Max Koopman
Of course it is positive!Bikes are a lot smaller than cars.
Thats obvious..
Whatever dude, keep breathing in those toxic gasses while you're in a city centry, shopping, surrounded by gas spreading dangerous cars.
How can you punish a bike rider?they don't have licence-registration-plate.and I'm pretty sure they don't have to carry identity card.
Everyone from the age of 14 years and up is required to show their ID in the Netherlands when asked by the police.
SOMEONE IN ENGLISH PRONOUNCES DUTCH CORRECTLY THANK YOU
not very hard if the speaker is native dutch
sweet buns, not sweet rolls
Close lots of street for cars and lower the max speed to 30km ... take away all the street lights
Fine illustration of the clear spatial injustice of the Dutch infrastructure. Hundreds of cyclists packed onto a sliver of cycle-lane while a handful of motorists get the lion's share of the total roadspace. Any cyclist with the temerity to fight this injustice by using the main carriageway will get aggressively klaxoned by the motorists, and a ticket if the cops catch them. Netherlands infra is a Fordist paradise: fortune.com/2015/09/30/best-country-drive-waze/
Don't be silly. Think we got the best cycle infrastructure anywhere.
Kinda weird to post that on a video about a part of Utrecht that is already considered to not be a very fine example of the overall infrastructure. It's not even representative of Utrecht, let alone the country as a whole.
Also, the article you link to only illustrates how excellent cycling infrastructure does not have to mean you will have a horrible experience as a driver. You need to remember that most Dutch adults are both a car driver and a cyclist. The balance is pretty good as long as you use each mode of transport what it was designed for. If you take too much space away from either mode, you will still piss off the same people: everybody.
That's so stupid. That's the number one problem with cycle lanes: the obligation to only use those and not the road. Fuck that, let us ride whever.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
When I see a row of bicycles in my town like this, waiting for a green light, I go around it. Passing by all those sheeplike people who are wasting precious time by waiting for a stupid green light. I'd probably give those cops the finger too. Breaking free from this venomous system we're all caught in, starts with using your eyes and outsmarting all traffic with a bicycle. I'm a cyclist who's been fed up with traffic light for years. They're all bullshit.
Ain't that a little extreme. No traffic lights at all would be pandemonium.
Good idea gonna do the same thing in my lorry
@@iSkully99 lol yes, because lorries are known for the small amount of space they take up, the excellent awareness of their surroundings and the ability to filter through areas in the same way as a pedestrian. Because bikes and lorries should totally be driven exactly the same way.
The Netherlands is the perfect example of a country who has solved most of its problems, and have run out of meaningful things to complain about. You can look at our political parties to see what I mean: parties for piracy, parties for animals
Oh yes but we must complain. It wouldn’t surprise me if in the future it’s is going to be part of the constitution 😂😀
Looking at the problems we face today, that comment did not age well. 😏
I guess the people think that their bikes should have priority?
Yes
Yes because you are more vulnerable on a bicycle so why should you not get priority?
In addition to what already pointed out above, cycling is the best mode of transport here. Just few reasons as to why it is the best: Cheap, convenient (comes with all different types for different purposes), evironmentally friendly, not noisy, healthy, the least harmful, etc. Something that good must be prioritised indeed. I can't think of why it shouldn't.
Cyclists have priority, also in Dutch law
Lol een fiets file.
Die luxe kennen we alleen in Nederland... Andere landen (en steden) zijn jaloers op dit 'luxeprobleem'.
generally what we need is:
support bicycles.
help them to not interfere with cars.
treat cars and bicycles alike as traffic.
"treat cars and bicycles alike as traffic. " not for traffic rules. Cyclist are slow and light-weight enough that the only rules that should apply are common sense rules.
? Motor vehicles and little bicycles do not compare. It's like slapping pedestrians on the middle of the road. Only the Netherlands seem to understand that.
As a cyclist that rides on and off roads, and did so for the last 30 years, without one single accident caused by me, a red light is the same red for a cyclist and a motorist.
There us room for improvement but a red light a red light.
You could also say that the cyclists are spoiled!
Uh, no, everybody in a city benefits from good traffic.
Eagerly waiting on @notjustbikes to comment!
A piece of media calling out stupid laws. Great. In Germany most people would still... Ehm. Just follow orders, end of discussion, if you ask the media
I'm protesting the rustic look of the Dutch woman.
Lol what do you mean by that?
***** we don't look rural
says the woman on her bike on the way to buy a wedge of cheese
Better than a lazy ass woman who's in her car on her way to buy some Mc Donalds.
well, its all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?
women usually just pick one thing off the menu but your life observations are greatly appreciated.
Traffic lights are dangerous and are never justified. They need to be banned and phased out. Build roundabouts and single-lane zebra crossing islands instead.
Ledig Erf still one of the worst redesigned areas for cyclists.
Sweetrol lol
Gillet jaune !
Sta op tijd op
Egte Hollanders xD
I prefer taking the car. And I'm Dutch 😂
First world problems /s
I find it funny that cyclists unions use the exact same arguments motorist's unions have for the past 50 or so years.
yeah but you don't have to kill a bunch of pedestrian in the meantime
Cyclists in the Netherlands behave the way motor traffic does in India...except you guys have very few, if any, accidents while India has tons of them.
2 minutes wait time is not too long in my opinion
+oreosaysb00: If you have a regular traffic flow of about 100 cyclists a minute, 2 minutes is painstakingly long, you could see it in the video.
Say that again when it's raining with buckets out of the sky ! ;-)
2 minutes waiting time... 1 minute driving to the next junction... 2 minutes waiting time...
myeah... that's not too long, is it?
1:20 typical of dutch police, they have absolutely no insight into the real world. They always just blindly follow the book without ever thinking about context.
I would like to think that our police does follow the book to the letter, as do our citizens. Laws are made for all of us to abide to. If you decide to not follow the road laws and get run over by a car, it is traumatic for so many people.
that being said, In my experience the dutch police use nuance and context in a lot of cases. Warnings/'don't do it again' apply a lot of times. Except with these kind of pre-thought out actions where they will fine people for a day at a certain spot (because of blatant systemetic law breaking). I don't pity the people that get a fine for crossing the red light,especially if they do it systematically
M No cyclist are an exception. The law is there to be broken :) I do drive but I also cycle, and I don’t always abide by the letter of the law. Cause, not every exception is written within the law. Also, not every law is applicable or has a practical purpose.
@@Martijn-oc3kl The problem is that it is impossible to know all laws, so it is impossible to follow the law to the letter.
f&#k da Politie
Cyclists also have to follow the traffic rules!!! They aren't holy cows. If I will do the same with my car and go on red, I can lose my licence to drive.
If you want to change something, it's fine, but don't be an asshole on the bike
ahahahah ur so cute protesting for a traffic light
You know you're living in a good country when a traffic light is the thing to protest about.....And the fact that you can actually protest about it...And the "protest" contains information flyers and sweetrolls.
@@maaiker2977 right. I was taken aback. Such a calm country
You guys have too many ppp
anarchisten
lol wat een hippies
Door te fietsen wordt je een hippie?
Nou, wees jij dan maar een vreemde, dikke niet-hippie.