For me NingNing is more mismanaged as not only a main vocal but as a vocalist overall. Yes, she gets a fair amount of lines, but aside from the fact her main strength is her lower register and she's often belting in their songs (which isn't that big of an issue) she rarely gets to sing live
honestly i feel like aespa as a whole are vocally very mismanaged. winter's 5th octave belts are so shrill and piercing but she keeps getting all of them. ningning basically never gets to show off her lower register. kariselle are both pretty good vocalists too and yet they rarely ever get to sing. especially giselle - i know someone who went looking for giselle's singing materials to figure out how good her technique is and giselle has like... nothing. and aespa has only gotten to sing live like once or twice so far. i don't understand why you would have a group that's vocally as strong as aespa and never let them sing live??? even if it's too hard to do live singing with their choreography (which, fair) if i were on their management team, i'd be going out of my way to create extra opportunities for them to sing live. aespa don't even get the recording behind videos in the studio like other sm groups like nct and red velvet do. it's literally a bad marketing strategy to not take advantage of your 4 idols' singing skills.
It’s bc she’s Chinese. Sm is literally famous for how badly they treat their Chinese members. It has nothing to do with ability or technique bc if it was, Ningning is definitely better then winter who literally screeches all her high notes. SM mistreats her cause she is chinese
@@akshaykareem6334 come on, winter deserves the lines she gets. As someone whose bias is ningning, she shined the most during next level era. If winter messed up performing live, then u could say she didn't deserve it. But Winter sounded so stable hitting those notes.
@@akshaykareem6334 i don’t know but i enjoy most of winters high notes not all but most i like her voice a lot, ofc ningning is better she’s marked as main vocalist winter is lead. I agree but i don’t think all of winters high notes r bad you guys are just a tad dramatic about it.
Wendy is just something else. if you were a beginner to k-pop and listening to RV for the first time, you would immediately know she’s THE main vocalist
@@levientertainment275 haha when it was my first time listening to them, i thought Wendy had the best technique and a very nice controlled vibrato & tone. i didn’t like Seulgi’s vibrato technique at first, but now i’m okay with it
@@fishheadnoodle Wendy is on another level and is the best kpop vocalist. However the other Red Velvet members are also extremely talented and Seulgi could have been a main vocal in other groups even Joy could in many 4th gen groups. However Wendy’s vocals are one of a kind and really powerful that even in a group full of main vocal worthy vocalists she still is the main vocalist. Even in Got the beat where Winter, Taeyeon and Boa are we still have main vocal Wendy.
Being primarily a girl group stan I hear a lot of different main vocalists this list is on the nose with treatment of them and how the producers/ company showcase them it’s disheartening for Liz when she’s the one brings so much life with her vocals imo so with her lack of showtime and time for herself I hope things change as for Wendy it’s not shocking with how she’s number one on this list
@@deyleigh6487 how’d you know 🤯😂 jokes aside this is the hill I die on if you severely mistreat a main vocalist to the extent of what starship is doing with Liz you’re wasting the opportunity to let her shine. Not discredited any of the other girls but they’re not the strongest vocalists I’d definitely give Rei and Gaeul more rap parts because they have potential too
Dreamcatcher have all rounders. Yoohyeon have been improving a lot lately and sua being a sub vocalist is shocking considering how powerful her vocal is. Jiu showed she can sing powerful in their last single "reason" even though she usually goes with the soft vocals. Handong has that elegant voice. She is getting more confident after "Youth With You" and more lines on songs. Gahyeon has improved as well. The main rapper dami can sing too. With all these members you won't have a problem recognizing the main vocalist. Siyeon is a powerhouse. Her voice fits the rock concept so well. (Plus: she was a vocalist in a rock band in high school) DC company treat them really well compared to other groups.
Literally agree with everything you said especially about Miyeon and NingNing. Everytime a person says that Miyeon isn't getting what she deserves in the group or something like that these Stans literally come at you claiming that "she got alot of lines in Dumdi Dumdi!!” Like srsly is has been ages to that, just think if it were Minnie or Yuqi in her position, by now people would've been on Soyeon's throat saying how unfair she is. This just highlights the double standards of the fandom. And honestly it's more about getting memorable parts as a main vocalist rather than singing the whole song...like at least give her a high note or something! And yeah, these are just my thoughts being a fan of their music as well as Miyeon, if it hurts your fragile heart to see the reality then srsly it can't be helped.
Siyeon voice suit Dreamcatcher Rock & EDM side so well, because she have that raspy voice that a lot of female Rock vocalist have...while Yoohyeon's voice suit their Poppish side especially R&B and Ballad. Yes, Yoohyeon can hit the high note like Siyeon..but I prefer Yoohyeon focus on her Pop side coz it suit her more...
I feel like one thing winter has over the other members is how stable she is. She rarely misses in their few live performances, she sounds exactly like the studio version. But I really wished she had more adlibs or lower notes than high notes because her voice really shines on those little parts
Sad that Liz got the most mistreatment compare to others in the list. Miyeon and Lia understandable as their group concept is not 100% suits with their vocals, both suit ballad songs more. Same with Jihyo.
i feel like because most gidle songs have limited singing parts in the chorus, miyeon gets gipped a lot. the only title tracks where she has a chorus are latata, dumdi dumdi and senorita. so clearly, seems like they only use her voice for bright/feminine concepts even though miyeon has such a rich voice. also, having both yuqi and miyeon, idle has some of the best developed lower register vocal lines but soyeon seems to typically only compose songs that are in /her (limited) vocal range. this is not a drag at soyeon at all, since i know she is idle's literal backbone and it's bc of her they even have the level of success they have now, and i'm also happy that the lack of lines hasn't affected miyeon's popularity, given that she's the most popular member domestically, but i really want gidle songs to have a bit more variety vocally so that miyeon and yuqi can have more chances to shine. having said that, i LOVE how miyeon's voice is used in minnie-produced songs! from blow your mind (aka giving miyeon her highest belt within gidle's discography), her chorus and prechorus parts in change, and the chorus and in sculpture especially!! the almost jazzy backing track suits her voice sound so well and adds luxury to the song.
Just for curiosity, since you see Yujin as Ive’s sub-vocal, would you say Rei is the lead vocal then? I was felt like she was top 3 or top 2 in vocals, but people always put her in last place because… yk… a rapper
I’ve vocal rankings: Liz, yujin, rei, gaeul, wonyoung, leeseo. Rei should be comfortably 3rd but I don’t think she’s close to Yujin and definitely not to liz
@@evanwang1203 That’s exactly my ranking lol love it. I just said >maybe< top 2 because I think Yujin strains a lot in her higher range and gets a little pitchy live. I’ve always preferred Rei’s pitch accuracy and consistency, but yeah… I guess third place is an accurate place for her
3:28 I feel like this has less to do with Soyeon and co not knowing what to do with Miyeon and more to do with Soyeon producing (G)I-DLE's songs using templates. She's got a formula and she's stickin' to it, ladies and gents!! And like, this isn't inherently a bad thing; lots of groups in K-Pop have a formula. The problem comes in when this formula isn't allowed to evolve or the group doesn't switch it up every once in a while. And that's what we're seeing with (G)I-DLE. I was hoping that TOMBOY was a sign that Soyeon was going to get more adventurous with (G)I-DLE's music, but nope!! It was just another formula.
Soyeon probably realized that the tomboy formula was working and she's definitely gonna be using it for a few comeback 🤷♀️ if thats what it takes to be more succesfull
Ningning suits winter's parts much better than winter, winter's voice is annoying in the high register and mixed registers and she lacks belting but they gave her harder parts outside from her capacity that's why hee voice turns nasal just by hitting c5 and her high notes are so annoying and shrill, and she can't rap her girls rap was a joke but Ningning can do them much better than her, so why not give them to Ningning who's the main vocalist for a reason
@@eulalia3468 Ok so what you're saying is give Ningning ALL the high note adlibs that are about 4-5 in every one of their song? I mean it's ok though since she doesn't do it properly in a lot of times when singing live but it can still tire her. Aespa is a vocal group, it makes no sense for you to only give Ningning everything and put every trouble to her when she can rely on others
@@eulalia3468 The girls rap should have been given to Giselle who is the main rapper. In fact not every raps need to be given to both Winter and Ningning.
Im ngl the thing with Miyeon if i had to guess abt it i thimk shes leaveing more lines for the other members (mainly shuhua and yuqi) cuz like yes she is one fo the main vocalist but also I-DLE gets to pick their own lines but in I-DLEs early part of their career shu and yuqi purposely picked less lines bc yuqi was insecure abt her deep voice and shu was insecure abt her pronunciation altho yuqi did start picking more lines but shu didn t so i think Miyeons doing that to make sure shu's voice gets put into their songs enough also i do agree she should have more lines.
I know Soyeon writes gidle’s songs but she’s already getting all the rap lines I hope the singing lines can be given to the vocalists of the group. Anyways, still love them. With Itzy, it’s more of a dance/sp focused group and most of their songs does not showcase the group’s vocal abilities, especially Lia’s.
I do remember the first time i listened to Redvelvet, it was a random listening party and "psycho" played and i was so mesmerized by the blonde girl aka wendy i remember thinking how could anyone have such a beautiful voice. Like you said the best thing about RV producers is that they know how to show off wendy's vocals not just for high notes, i bet people would be so surprised listening to wendy in psycho, butterflies, like water and alter ego.... These four songs give off 4 wendys, she's versatile and she shows it well. I still remember my amazement when i discovered that Jihyo is main vocalist of Twice not Nayeon or the fact that Nayeon is lead vocalist not main. Jihyo has a distinct voice in Twice since it's rich and has more mature sensual feel rather than the sweet tone that most Twice members have, Jihyo has been always the "belter" in Twice but only recently that her rich voice started to shine.. At least to me. Speaking of mains getting mistreated, It's not okay to give solo album to lead vocalist before the main vocalist... Just when i was about to comment about ITZY, i noticed that Lia and Yeji are the same as Jihyo and Nayeon... Huh.. Interesting.... You know even if G-idle line distribution got better, it still feels like Soyeon and friends, i've been a casual listener for so long but i listened to the nxde album obsessively and i noticed that the vocal direction of idle is so boring, it's always soyeon giving the spicy catchy part and the rest of the song is the same with members switching parts and no harmonies and no use of the members different tones, gidle's main strength vocally is that they actually sound different and very distinct from each others but they don't know how to take advantage of it. Just imagine how good X-Files and sculpture would've sounded if they used some harmonies. In my opinion, the entirety of the vocal line is mistreated/ underutilized not just the main vocalist. As for Aespa, while i do agree with the comments that NingNing mistreatment stems from the fact that she's the Chinese of the group. I mean both her and Giselle are the foreigners and they're the ones in the shadow, i also believe it's due to the fact that winter has a "dry" "metallic" "cool" feel to her voice that suits aespa's whole ae concept and songs unlike ningning who have a warm sensual feel to her voice. That's how they sound to my ears personally and tbh i prefer winter's vocals as i said she suits the concept better however ningning really ate "next level" that's the song that shows ningning the main vocalist.
If I have to be onest (and Ningning is my ult bias, for me ONE OF the best vocalist of her gen) listening Next level, Dreams come true, Savage, and Girls...I really thought that Winter was the main and Ning2 the lead. Not because of the amount of lines, but the vocals themselves seems to be focused on Winter's voice. And yeas!! Let the gurls sing live please, since now there was only one actually live of girls and illusion, but is not enough!
me watching mindless all of sudden Siyeon's solo playing im like DREAMCATCHEr👀 okay now that i got to number 2.... i was not expection Dreamcatcher to be here lol
About NingNing one thing that should have been mentioned is that the gap in skills with her and winter is (with what we can judge so far) not big at all. And let's not forget aespa does not have "official positions" so i wouldn't be surprised that sm thinks of both as main singers. This situation actually reminds me a lot of the dynamics of taeyeon and jessica in their earlier years. The gap between them was (around debut time) also not that big and while taeyeon's technique was better she would struggle a lot with really high notes, anything above D5 was given to jessica, even if she was straining them she would handle them better.
aespa definitely had official positions when they debuted but it seems like it doesn‘t matter anymore to them and that‘s good. it doesn‘t limit them to anything. winter getting more than ningning makes sense, ningnings voice is so light and floaty, so many parts in aespas songs would lose impact if ning2 sang them instead of winter
@@shinigagamimi yyj just favor winter as she was called his daughter so he gave more lines to her. Hoping that other producer will handle aespa's songs in their next comeback. I actually don't like yyj. Main line deserve better.
They can't do that aespa just have 4 members the gap between the members is obvious, if they were like 6 or 7 members they can double the main positions. If the main vocal of aespa will be two then just make both Giselle and Karina the main rapper since karina got more lines than giselle.
Aespa has official positions and if you know stuff about vocal technique and ability (or read a lot of things about that from credible sources, if you don't) there is absolutely a decent gap between Ningning and Winter in terms of vocal ability. Winter is a very good vocalist but Ningning has much stronger development in all registers across the board, with a lower register almost on par with Wendy and Taeyeon. Winter strains a LOT in high notes (which is why you can hear that tight and shrill sound) and is best in her mid range, whereas Ningning has much more open and effortless high notes despite her lower register being arguably her strongest asset.
@@QueenNectariine they said themselves that they don't have official positions, it's on video ... and i know a fair amount of vocal technique, i know that there is in fact a gap but it is not big.... I mean winter is a high average vocalist while Ningning is low-mide average to above average, i personally don't consider that a big gap. I know Ningning is a more rounder vocalist and her low register is strong (not as much as taeyeon or wendy yet) and her mix is quite relaxed, however their supported register in mixed voice is also close, winter has showed consistency with her B4 and while ningning has supported many C5 and C#5 in studio her consistency with those notes live is still to be determined. Anything above that they both sing without correct vocal technique, the only difference is that since winter is more chesty she strains, and since ning is more heady she doesn't sound too bad, but it doesnt mean much if they're both not supporting. Ningning is actually my bais in asespa so my intention is only to try understand the pov of sm.
For idle's case since they have 2 main vocalists and usually minnies voice ends up fitting their title songs more thats the reason why miyeon gets overshadowed.
Maybe people take these positions way too seriously. Main vocalist doesn’t mean “You are going to have the most amount of line forever and no one else can shine more than you”
I've been following (g)i-dle for 3 years now, I've seen the way they work with their music, Soyeon knows which members fit that line in the songs, even for Miyeon she would give her the main parts along with Minnie, Yuqi, Soojin and Shuhua. Miyeon is not pushed aside either, she still on both title tracks and b-sides. For Ningning she's just mismanaged not pushed aside, she still gets more lines
It really seems to come down to the producers and the image the company wants them to have. SM has a habit of pushing visuals and their Korean members, so I can see why Ningning gets sidelined. For Twice, Nayeon really dominates their cutesy image, but it's nice to see Jihyo get more lines now that their image is maturing. Liz and Jihyo are in very similar positions. They have rich, mature voices in large groups where by and large, the other vocalists aren't nearly as skilled and have more cutesy voices. Liz really deserves a solo song to show off what she can do. For Miyeon, I feel like Soyeon basically always writes solo songs for g-idle based around her own voice, and that just doesn't fit Miyeon or the more edgy image Soyeon prefers. Even in Miyeon's solo debut, it still felt like no one knew how to best utilize her voice because it's been 4+ years and no one has bothered figuring it out yet! On the flip side, since Dreamcatcher only works with the same production team, they definitely know how to utilize each member's voice in the best way while still maintaining DC's core sound. SM really found a jewel in Wendy, but I do see some people mistake Seulgi as the main vocalist from live performances since Wendy isn't quite as stable while dancing. It just takes up more of her concentration no stamina than it does for Seulgi. But in the recording studio or while still, Wendy is just fantastic, and I'm glad SM recognizes that. She also does the vocal guide for the group. Seeing the behind the scenes of RV's studio recordings, you REALLY see how much Wendy anchors the group. All the extra harmonies and ad live she records and creates, how she shapes her vowels and consonants to match the vibe and energy of the song. Most of RV's gorgeous harmonies wouldn't be there without Wendy sampling different notes in chords for the producers to hear before the other girls record them. Rosé's identifiable voice is a huge reason for BP's success, even though it meant undoing some of her better technique habits. It's just a shame Teddy's productions are so limited in scope. But with some big record labels in the US courting Rosé's solo (not group) contract for renewal, I'm looking forward to hearing her do and sing the music that she wants to put out there as a soloist. That just won't happen if she lets YG maintain both her group and solo contract.
Wendy is the most stable, loud & clear at live singing in RV though. People who confused who's the main vocal in RV might be because Seulgi gets similar lines as Wendy & also many adlibs, but she has much more screentime & centre time than Wendy, so naturally people would focus on her by default.
Wendy is the most stable in RV when comes to live performance, if you actually ever see their concerts she's the most stable one like she has stamina to sings all the hard parts given to her live for hours, she's a total performer. The problem is that in a lot of RV's mv she barely gets any screentime, this affecting how people especially new fans perceive and recognise who is who, given the fact when it supposed to be her parts but the screen is showing someone else, hell even now a lot of old fans still tends to mistaking her parts for someone else even the fact it clearly her voice. It need to be noted, generally if you get less screentime then less people will notice you, and people only give attention to those with a lot of screentime. Other notorius problem is that she often a victim of bad camerawork, whether it's music show, end of year show, or award show. She's the one singing and yet the camera is focus on someone else, or when it's her part suddenly the camera zoom out focusing in anyone and anything but her and it happens a lot in the whole of her career 😩. If you don't know there was this performance of Hit That Drum and when it was her part the camera focusing on other member, this factor does affecting people who are new or just casually listen to them since I knew people who think it was the other member who did the high note and not Wendy, it was big disappointment for Wendy's fans because she did great job for her 12 sec high notes but yeah...the camera didn't even try to focus on the one actually singing 😩 We have less screentime and victim of bad camerawork, now I need to add how in their choreos she often (like really often) put in somewhere else but the center, run from one side to another side, or like how she's doing her part but she's not in the center??? Like come on, people will focus on the one in the center unless you are her fans 😩 Seulgi is the lead vocal and she gets a lot of similar part with Wendy. The thing about this is that while Seul get actual lines a lot of what Wendy has actually adlibs, like how she usually is the #1 in line distribution but pardon, it actually full of adlibs which a lot of people might not even notice it actually there and if you're not familiar with their voices you might mistaken them despite the fact their voices can be easily distinguished from each other most of time (there are times where their voices sound similar to each other but in general they have very different vocal tone, enunciation etc thus differentiate them)
Well, as a neverland I wouldn’t say Soyeon writes “solo songs” since this edgy vibe doesn’t only suit her, but Minnie and Yuqi, and previously Soojin as well so it’s pretty natural for the group to move in this musical direction. Last comebacks confident concept suit Shuhua the most. However I agree that with all that being said, Miyeon remains terribly underutilized and its such a shame since her strong vocals have an insane amount of potential. The last comeback when she shined was dumdi dumdi and it was like 2 years ago?? She did debut solo which is good but I hope she gets more appropriate lines in group comebacks as well
What?your funny about wendy here lol wendy is more stable than seulgi when they perform live. seulgi sometimes isn't stable when performing live. Just search more about RV before you comment something like that.
@@voyez5648 RV is one of my ult bias groups. I've gone out of my way to see them live multiple times for all 3 tours (Red Room in Tokyo and Osaka both days each), Redmare (Kobe both nights, LA both nights, Newark) and La Rouge (Osaka). I think Wendy was the most stable their first 2 years or so after debut and then for the past few years starting around RBB and Zimzalabim, but she did have a bit of a stamina decrease in the middle years. I also feel like she gets more stable the more their promotions progress too. When SM doesn't make them lipsync now 😡 or before they did, I do think around Bad Boy and beyond that Seulgi would be the most stable for the first few performances, and then when Wendy starts feeling more comfortable with the choreography, she becomes the most stable. Wendy is such a perfectionist that it seems like while she is still getting the choreography down, her vocals do suffer a little bit. Unfortunately, most people only seem to watch the first week or so of a group's comeback stages when they have more complex sets and expensive stage outfits, etc. Not to mention that when Wendy has ad libs or things like that, the camera almost never focuses on her. I do agree that Wendy is the most stable, but to me, she is so incredibly fantastic in the recording studio or while not dancing that I do hear a bit of a difference in her voice when she is also dancing. For Seulgi, on the other hand, she has a great voice but it doesn't really come near to Wendy's for studio recordings, but she is also able to match her vocals while dancing to her studio ones a bit better. Wendy is still a better vocalist more stable overall live, but you can kind of get fooled into thinking she isn't just because Seulgi sounds more similar to her studio vocals and Wendy is just so good in the studio and while still that the slight difference stands out more to your ear. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I worded or explained myself well here.
Guys, stop complaining about miyeon and watch her duet with lee mujin. Istg her voice is so heavenly there, I kept coming back to watch her and lee mujin. They're both incredible and their voices matches well without overshadowing each other
you seriously need to check out chisa and juria's voices, they are from the global girlgroup XG❤️ juria: th-cam.com/video/-9F5giCQW6s/w-d-xo.html chisa: th-cam.com/video/rUG9p7moXQs/w-d-xo.html both: th-cam.com/video/icybpxo4Cb0/w-d-xo.html truly amazing vocalists
All of IVE is mismanaged, it’s a big mess. I do love Wonyoung and yujin but they aren’t the most skilled, just most popular. If I had to put them in order from most to least managed it would be: Wonyoung Yujin Rei Leesoo Liz & gaeul (I’m not so sure bout Rei and leesoo so they were put in random spots so correct me if I’m wrong)
Outshining Jihyo? Lol Nayeon has always been more popular than Jihyo, Jihyo is just good at performing live/singing live that's why people are confident about her position. Plus producer likes Nayeon's tone even though technically JY is better than her
The Liz situation is so confusing. It's kinda obvious that something happened behind-the-scenes. Not only her lines decreased, she became more quiet in their content and her stage presence faltered as well. She's only the only 'proficient' singer Ive got, with Yujin quite far away from her skills-wise. She got quite a lot of attention for her Ive x Lauv video of After Like (I really recommend it!) and tons of praise on social media, I hope Starship will do something about it because it's laughable. I get why Winter gets the belts as NingNing doesn't seem to have that much confidence in her upper register while Winter just goes for it but I agree that she also gets the most "showy" lines anyways, I still wouldn't call Ninging mistreated, I hope they will find a better balance though as they are both really good vocalists! I'm surprised you didn't mention Jihyo vs Nayeon discourse. I agree with your points although some probably won't as Nayeon is the one who usually gets the most lines. Nayeon is the 'voice' of Twice, someone who producers/ general audience think suits Twice sound/image the most. Jihyo always gets good amount of lines, some challening ones, chorus/bridges so I wouldn't call her mistreated as well.
If you watch their festival performances, Liz actually shine and looks fine... But everytime they performed for tv she seems reverse to shy and quiet. Her collab with Yuqi and Yoon looks so awkward.
@@marijane12 Rei is a skilled rapper and can write her own rap, Gaeul is a decent main dancer and Yujin is a good performer, but yeah, otherwise each of them is average at best
I do agree on Miyeon :" I fall in love with her voice, especially from KDA/Popstar (League of Legend)! In that song, her voice shine without overshadow other singers and whenever I see Ahri, I always remember Miyeon sung the song. She makes the character much more real and live! Her part never failed to make me astonished by her voice. That's why I follow G-ILDE, but sadly she got less line, or line without any punch line that dull out the her voice. I also notice that she got less screen time too, like switch back-and-forth to zoom out her in many of videos. I hope that she get more chances that she deserve because she is excellent singer 😢
Yes, she is more mistreated by her company Lack screen time, lack 'center time' when it's come to her part, lack promotion, lack singing gigs before 2021, not letting her do collab when a lot of people want to colab with her and the most important thing ssw2 not getting green light 😔
After the release of "Stamped on it" seeing that Wendy didn't have as much center but balanced with screen time and lines, I guess the problem is the team in charge of RV.
@@Diana-yf9nb yeah she shines in GOT the beat. She may not have a lot of center time there, at least she has decent screentime. The concept also suits her. But I think the RV team has now realized wendy's rising popularity (too late tho). In their latest comebacks (Birthday and FMR) she got a decent amount of screentime and center time, unlike before (looking at you Peekaboo and Dumb Dumb era among others)
I agree with what you said, especially about Miyeon. I'm only a casual kpop listener but (g)i-dle have been the group I gravitate towards the most for a while. Miyeon got great moments in Latata but the last comeback they had where she shined was Dumdi Dumdi imho. Meanwhile Minnie, the other main vocalist, gets the more demanding parts and also the most memorable. Even Yuqi has gotten some main-vocalist worthy moments more recently. I just hope Miyeon will stop being pushed aside because I absolutely adore her voice and I know she has a lot to bring to the group.
She's not being pushed aside her voice is really beautiful and she gets alot of lines in the b sides and also her solo which is out there but as Minnie voice is very experimental they try to use it alot to see what else she can do with it and because yuqi voice is very deep they try to make that shine as well not to mention soyeon unique voice I guess compared to the other three miyeon voice is just kinda normal in kpop and honestly that's not a bad thing
@@pinkykamara3665 Miyeon still got a lot of opportunity compared to other main vocalist in k-pop she has alot of solo activities like cover/album/acting/mc/featuring
@@thats_not_breezyshes_soo_windy Yeah I know that but people never seem to see it it's almost like they don't even know anything about miyeon they just see an opportunity to say she's being mistreated or not getting enough lines just to hate on soyeon like miyeon is the member who gets the most promotion but they never see that 🤦♀️
@@pinkykamara3665 Yes, she does get a lot of promotion because by now Cube knows her potential in the domestic market whereas on the other hand Soyeon basically being their main producer doesn't know how to use her vocals and the maturity she has in her voice through the years of training. And for god's sake to don't come at me saying that I'm HATING Soyeon, it's just that when she has such a big hand in their music then this really is her concern too. These are just my thoughts being long time listener.
@@deadinside-jk +giselle slightly better in vocals than karina, but karina gets more vocal lines and winter gets more lines than ningning, despite ningning being a much stronger vocalist.
@@melodytang7197 and the fact that we haven't seen gigi's full potential most vocal critics rank her so low bc they don't have enough materials. SM is the reason why most stans doubt her talents🤧
I think that people don’t really understand what SM is doing with Ningning. Her mistreatment goes so much deaper than just getting less lines. And some of you can say that Winter has better vocals, but that’s just not true. Ningning has way better vocal technique and skill she just isn’t given the opportunity to show it and that is bc of one of SM’s biggest issues since day one. She is Chinese SM ALWAYS mistreats their Chinese idols. Literally look at all of the exo, and fx Chinese members. Ningning is another in the long line of Chinese idols that SM adds so that they get sales in China and then treat them like shit. SM doesn’t give a shit about Ningning (or giselle) after aespa. The entire group is so obviously set up for winter and karina and it’s honestly sad, especially when you see how talented Ningning is and how much passion she has for being a star. She’s literally been doing this since she was 5, competing in Chinese talent shows and seeing SM waste that is sad
I agreee most of aespa vlogs are about karina and winter....im sorry guys but sometimes i forget aespa has 4 members....like SM is jus focusing on karina and winter....ningning and Giselle deserve better tbh...
About the producers letting Wendy explore her vocals... Is it just me or is she a better rapper than Irene? Like I only listened to 2 of her raps but they sounded on another level
Wendy is actually a better rapper (flow-wise) than Irene, but it wouldn't be fair in line distribution if she holds 2 main positions. Wendy does take over for Irene's rap lines whenever Irene is absent. Also Wendy auditioned for YG (but got rejected) and her rap style is more YG than SM, which is more swaggy, so this is why some people think she's a better rapper cause of the natural swag
If you dissect their dance technique too, Wendy is a better idol dancer than Irene. So honestly she could be part of the dance, rap, and vocal line if they were going off of current skills.
jype producers doesn't know how to work with lia's tone, she has the better tecnique and range, yet the best moments of her voice is when she's singing by herself doing covers on lives or on the lee mujin service. Cheshire for me proved that she is the best in itzy, yeji and chaeryeong sang the chorus too but lia's version is so more stable and with better breath control, also in loco if you listen carefully there a lot of performances where yeji does not sing her full part of the chorus because of her breath while lia sings her entire part in the loco chorus even with them dancing and you can see she has better control.
I think whoever writes Itzy songs doesn’t know how to actually use talented members. The raps are so bad that people actually think Ryujin can’t rap. Hopefully future songs show off the members abilities other than dancing.
@@disasterfan2995 i agree, ryujin can rap really good but the producers don't know how to work with it, i wish the girls started writing their songs cause with them being more in control the songs will fit them better and we alredy know lia, chaeryeong and ryujin write lyrics but we never see those lyrics.
It's sad seeing Liz being treated like this, although I think it's a bit too early to judge, they only had 2 comebacks. Miyeon has one of my favorite voices in kpop and it's sad to see how Soyeon, although an amazing producer, doesn't really know what to do with her voice, or even Yuqi's voice for that matter. She just keeps giving them the same lines and let's them trade off in the pre-chorus. With Lia, I think she is being treated as fairly as she can. Her voice just doesn't fit Itzy's sound...And being a main vocal means she can't be given too many specially made for her parts since she would need to share them with with Yeji or Chae at some point. Ningning is doing fine, her and Winter have very similar skill-sets and deliveries so it's natural they are both going to get a lot of lines. It just feels more visible cause they are in a 4 member group but I don't think a 7 or so second difference is a big deal. The producers seem to like Winter on the high notes more which is their choise. Jihyo is fine, girl be singing half the song by herself. Rose and Siyeon are also fine. Wendy, here's a hot take, I never thought that she suited RV's music. Not one bit. It's too quirky, too k-pop-ish. Her voice sounds too western, too 'diva-like' for that kind of sound. Line-wise though, yeah she is being treated great.
the thing with wendy is she can play with her vocal tones a lot. her natural belting voice without any distortion fits the typical western pop ballad/rnb style. but she can play with her voice so much which makes her very versatile. for the most part, their title tracks don’t fit the typical artistic route you would expect from her, but on their rnb tracks, and most bsides, it’s very much showcased.
About Wendy you're so damn wromg i think she actually fits the "Red Velvet sound" Or whatever you guys call it🙄 Just fine. Their sound litterally changes a lot compared to their debut,now and their sub-units. You guys just call smthng whatever. Wendy fits the songs perfectly like in 'Feel my rhythm, Oompah² and many more..If you're atleast gonna talk smack about how 'she doesn't fit Rv's sound' Then that doesnt make it an excuse to ignore HER Good Vocal ability
@@Ash.e__Mayy k. Never said she can't sing, never talked smack about her, rv's sound has only 2 sides, it's either their red cute concept or their velvet...whatever concept neither of which she fits IMO. Now stop being so pressed and go stream queendom, she sounded good on that one.
I think it's ridiculous to say that there's no favoritism on IVE when their best vocalist by far gets progressively less lines each comeback (no hate to the other members, it's the company's fault).
The things that irritates me that IVE title tracks have many hard/difficult parts that they should give at Liz since that's her work there as a main vocalist but instead they give it to sub vocalist
Starship has been mistreating all of IVE , yes even Wonyoung. Starship overworking and starving Wonyoung is setting her up for failure and bullying . Liz is the best vocalist , looks pretty (though she is ugly for Koreans) dances well and has good stage presence . She got that ' It girl ' factor and can be soloist if trained even more.
thank you for bringing up the fact that starship is nothing but exploitative towards wonyoung who many love to claim is the company fave… you would think an asset as valuable as her for the company would get the strongest protection but unfortunately they don’t lift a finger when it comes to protecting her from cyberbullying and hate comments which IS mistreatment
Finally true comment Obvious starship want only easy money and dont care about the members images and reputation Wonyoung never protect by the company when she get ton hate comments and hate video...they never sue her haters even she was minor last year..wonyoung is overworked as hell and never get break even she was highschooler last girl last year yet get treated so bad
I agree, although Liz isn't ugly for Koreans. She got lots of love during their debut for both her vocals and her looks (some even saying that she ans Leeseo are more good looking than Wonyoung) It only happened after her weight gain that she got criticism
starship just lost face when they decided to put wonyoung and leeseo lipsyncing strawberry moon .. it wasn’t the girls fault as they are just weak vocalists in general but gosh i get that idols aren’t true singers but now it just seems like singing is dead. like now they seem just like tiktokers to me, being pretty and lipsyncing.
Yes, Wendy deserves all the love. Yes, RV’s producers are one of the best. But honestly, i think they’re comfy on putting her everywhere, at any level, because she also has the SUPPORT of her vocal line, who are incredible AND distinctive. AND the rap line covering the sub vocals like it’s nothing. God i love Red Velvet 😆🤣. But it’s not just them, the ones you rated quite highly are supported by their team members vocally like this too.
Thank GOD Cube and YG passed on Wendy when she auditioned for them. If YG had gotten her, she'd be getting one comeback per year if she was lucky and playing second-fiddle to a 3rd rate rapper. If Cube had gotten her, she wouldn't have made a cent and her group would be disbanded already.
this was a GREAT video and it was original ! reading the title i honestly got the topic of the video wrong but i prefer this much better, this was a great concept. it’s important to analyze their treatment from time to time. as always i’m praying for liz…… like what the fuck……….
I agree with pretty much all of what you've said here. The main things I would add personally (mostly as personal preferences) are that it is a bit more difficult for me to listen to Twice's more recent songs (even though I like the songs) with Nayeon having all/vast majority of the high notes instead of Jihyo or even Jeongyeon. It sounds very shrill most of the time and hurts my ears.. I just don't find it pleasing at all to listen to :/ Same with Winter vs. Ningning - I love Aespa's songs but Winter's high notes are so SHRILL it is physically uncomfortable for me to listen to T_T Her mid range is great to listen to but I wish they would give Ningning the high parts instead since she performs them so much better. Also would love to hear more of Ningnings lower registers in future songs. On that note - a main "defending" point I see a lot with lead vocal solo stans is "but the main vocal doesn't mean they have the most lines it means they have the most challenging parts" except that isn't really true for like half the main vocals you talked about in this video. Miyeon rarely ever lately gets the most/more challenging parts to sing in (G)-idle title songs and it is instead always given to Minnie (who, technically speaking, is a lead vocalist at best esp. when compared to (G)-idle's original sole main vocal Miyeon), who also gets the heavy majority of the lines as well as some of the most memorable parts even if they are not challenging. I think people also need to remember that while B-Sides are great, the vast majority of K-Pop fans and new listeners heavily favor listening to most title tracks, so the distribution and treatment in title tracks is extremely important as that is the first and most-often-heard style and abilities of said group. In Aespa title tracks, while for the most part distribution for them is pretty even, Winter definitely has collectively more challenging parts given to her than Ningning does, despite being the main vocal and performing said parts better due to her skill. Same for Jihyo - while she has regressed a bit since early Twice days, she is still Twice's best vocalist and while she does get her fair share of lines, Nayeon still gets more and also gets the most challenging parts as of late. And while she's not a main vocal, I can't even begin to describe the extreme disappointment I feel towards their under-utilization of Jeongyeon's vocals, which are better than Nayeon's (and in my opinion she has a more pleasing tone to my personally). Idk, one of the "arguments" I hate most from a lot of the youngsters into K-Pop in the current era is "well they give lines according to whose voice suits the songs better" but that's... not how that is supposed to work all the time. The whole point of making a good, solid group is having members with different strengths/weaknesses and PLAYING to said strengths of each member - not just completely or mostly forgetting about someone because "tHeYr'E nOT tHe 'VoIcE' oF tHe gRoUp!!" If a member's voice is that grossly unsuited to their group's songs/sound then perhaps the company should not have placed them in said group to live in the shadows. That's not a viable excuse imo, it's just poor mismanagement and defending said poor mismanagement. Rant over LOL
I think it’s a bit crazy to say that they are mistreated because they aren’t singing every line in a song… way to be dramatic lmaooo! But I think that they are all just fine with what they get.
Main vocal liz had no chorus in after like while visual Wonyoung had all 3, Miyeon have simple not challenging lines in the title tracks while in bsides she gets better but don't really showcase much of her, while unique voice Minnie is constantly in the top 2 lines, yes, they're mistreated because they lack main vocal worthy parts
@@Oliver-uz1fsI can only speak for (G)I-DLE because that’s the group that I Stan. For them it’s not about who has what position in the group, it’s about who fits what part. They talk about their lines together and soyeon even said that when she makes songs she already has in mind what member would sound best where. Just because Miyeon isn’t singing every line, high notes, etc doesn’t mean that she is mistreated. Minnie sings the most in the albums because her voice is so versatile and she can adapt to different parts of the songs and different concepts for songs. Miyeon sings a lot of the chorus and pre-chorus because that’s where they feel her voice sounds the best and that’s true. Also none of their song are “challenging” anyway so of course she isn’t going to sing challenging parts. Just like their songs don’t always have high notes. Miyeon isn’t mistreated. In the line distribution for their albums she is usually third which makes sense bc soyeon is a main rapper and Minnie is a main vocalist. Of course one main vocalist is going to be higher than the other. No one in any group is going to sing the exact same amount in a song.
@@Oliver-uz1fs also to add in most of their b-side tracks miyeon is second and soyeon is near the bottom. So miyeon does sing. Just not the most in title tracks.
With Wendy i love how you can tell what they have in mind, they give Wendy THE main vocal parts. Parts where you think oh that’s something the main vocalist should sing
sadly I think Liz has less lines and screen time because of her weight gain, maybe she lost confidence in herself and didn't want to be too centered in the title tracks or, most likely, the company is favoring the members with the "best visuals" to get the most lines so the most screen time and center position
Miyeon has one of, if not, the prettiest voices in 4th gen. Her tone is everything. It can easily add so much more color to any song, yet Cube and Soyeon somehow manage to wash it out completely in almost every GIDLE title tracks. Honestly, Shuhua has stood out more and that's just sad.
Sm is just pushing winter so much to the point of somehow neglecting the other members talent and capability. She got so much screentime sometimes i can't help it but to think that they just used aespa as stepping stone for her career. If sm will still heavily push winter this year aespa will be like ive. Like wonyoung and the group it will be like Winter and the group. All the members has their own strength they should use it properly like the main lines of aespa was always the second choice despite being the main rapper and vocalists, sm favoritism is always noticable to all of their groups.
truth be told, dreamcatcher has 7 incredible all-rounders and siyeon may not always be first place in line distributions, but she always manages to stand out with her magical and powerful voice, mainly because of the high notes and important lines she tends to get. it's practically impossible to imagine a dreamcatcher song without siyeon's voice and that consolidates her identity as a strong main vocalist in the k-pop industry
Miyeon needs more fcking lines. She has my favorite voice of the group, and my bias. Honestly, her parts in Nxde and Tomboy just slay the house down. I want more lines for Jihyo, bc she’s a god. Rosé’s voice in Hard to Love is just too good. My favorite voice in ITZY is Yeji, but Lia is a very close second. Her lower register is just perfect. Wendy is another god with Jihyo.
I’m glad people notice the unfair distribution with Miyeon because gidle stans HATE admitting it. They always say her voice doesn’t suit the song but how can they say that for every song 😂 I only got into kpop because of her voice as Ahri in kda
So true Many say "her voice doesn't fit with G-idle's songs" like WTF?? Miyeon's voice fits really well with songs like Hann, Lion, OMG, Hwaa and Nxde 👌
can you please do a video on 2nd Gen kpop vocalist because I feel like they set the standard & foundation for today's vocalist...A great example is Park Bom from 2NE1, she has the most unique voice & still till today people recognize her voice, YG didn't want to sign her back then because he said it was a risk to debut her because there weren't many vocalists that sounded like her in market, but after Park Bom YG is now known for debuting vocalist with a unique distinct sound, please checkout 2nd Gen girl groups & analysis their vocals, especially 2NE1 & Park Bom. PS please also talk/cover about Male Kpop Vocalist & their vocal skills etc
For me NingNing is more mismanaged as not only a main vocal but as a vocalist overall. Yes, she gets a fair amount of lines, but aside from the fact her main strength is her lower register and she's often belting in their songs (which isn't that big of an issue) she rarely gets to sing live
honestly i feel like aespa as a whole are vocally very mismanaged. winter's 5th octave belts are so shrill and piercing but she keeps getting all of them. ningning basically never gets to show off her lower register. kariselle are both pretty good vocalists too and yet they rarely ever get to sing. especially giselle - i know someone who went looking for giselle's singing materials to figure out how good her technique is and giselle has like... nothing. and aespa has only gotten to sing live like once or twice so far. i don't understand why you would have a group that's vocally as strong as aespa and never let them sing live??? even if it's too hard to do live singing with their choreography (which, fair) if i were on their management team, i'd be going out of my way to create extra opportunities for them to sing live. aespa don't even get the recording behind videos in the studio like other sm groups like nct and red velvet do. it's literally a bad marketing strategy to not take advantage of your 4 idols' singing skills.
It’s bc she’s Chinese. Sm is literally famous for how badly they treat their Chinese members. It has nothing to do with ability or technique bc if it was, Ningning is definitely better then winter who literally screeches all her high notes. SM mistreats her cause she is chinese
@@akshaykareem6334 come on, winter deserves the lines she gets. As someone whose bias is ningning, she shined the most during next level era. If winter messed up performing live, then u could say she didn't deserve it. But Winter sounded so stable hitting those notes.
@@akshaykareem6334 i don’t know but i enjoy most of winters high notes not all but most i like her voice a lot, ofc ningning is better she’s marked as main vocalist winter is lead. I agree but i don’t think all of winters high notes r bad you guys are just a tad dramatic about it.
@@KosmoNavis are u sure if she even taken rap position and visual position too ??? What’s G and K doing for ? Like Winter with dancers?
Wendy is just something else. if you were a beginner to k-pop and listening to RV for the first time, you would immediately know she’s THE main vocalist
Yeah she’s treated really well cuz she’s just that good
When I first discovered RV I thought they had 2 main vocalist lol (Wendy & Seulgi)
@@levientertainment275 haha when it was my first time listening to them, i thought Wendy had the best technique and a very nice controlled vibrato & tone. i didn’t like Seulgi’s vibrato technique at first, but now i’m okay with it
@@fishheadnoodle Wendy is on another level and is the best kpop vocalist. However the other Red Velvet members are also extremely talented and Seulgi could have been a main vocal in other groups even Joy could in many 4th gen groups. However Wendy’s vocals are one of a kind and really powerful that even in a group full of main vocal worthy vocalists she still is the main vocalist. Even in Got the beat where Winter, Taeyeon and Boa are we still have main vocal Wendy.
@@vixxexo6855 Wendy shined in Stamp On It. i am so glad that she got her lines and she proved to us that she’s one of the best!
Being primarily a girl group stan I hear a lot of different main vocalists this list is on the nose with treatment of them and how the producers/ company showcase them it’s disheartening for Liz when she’s the one brings so much life with her vocals imo so with her lack of showtime and time for herself I hope things change as for Wendy it’s not shocking with how she’s number one on this list
We all know girl group stans are fruity!
@@deyleigh6487 how’d you know 🤯😂 jokes aside this is the hill I die on if you severely mistreat a main vocalist to the extent of what starship is doing with Liz you’re wasting the opportunity to let her shine. Not discredited any of the other girls but they’re not the strongest vocalists I’d definitely give Rei and Gaeul more rap parts because they have potential too
The most mistreated imo are Liz, Miyeon and Ning Ning. I love these vocalists so much so I wish they can shine more in the future
Solji from EXID, UJI from Bestie and Hyolyn from Sistar got the best main vocal treatment ever!
Rightfully so :)
Most underrated vocalists of kpop
@@deadinside-jk nah fr they’re so vocally skilled it’s insane
Solji is one of my favourite vocalists in k-pop
I have heard she's going to be the vocal trainer in boys planet 999(idk if it's true or not)
@@bussythrobbing2 fr,im always having goosebumps just hearing g her voice
If the main vocalist gets hate (like xenophobia, fat shaming, etc) the companies give them less lines. The antis and company are so...😓
Dreamcatcher have all rounders. Yoohyeon have been improving a lot lately and sua being a sub vocalist is shocking considering how powerful her vocal is. Jiu showed she can sing powerful in their last single "reason" even though she usually goes with the soft vocals. Handong has that elegant voice. She is getting more confident after "Youth With You" and more lines on songs. Gahyeon has improved as well. The main rapper dami can sing too.
With all these members you won't have a problem recognizing the main vocalist. Siyeon is a powerhouse. Her voice fits the rock concept so well.
(Plus: she was a vocalist in a rock band in high school)
DC company treat them really well compared to other groups.
i'm so in love with siyeon's vibrato
For ningning, I hope she can do live Instagram like wendy did
Singing and show her talent
I really love her voice in Time After Time ☺
U should listed to her hours and hours cover
She often covers songs in her bubble
yes the SM producers definitely put winter in mind first. they deserve equal if not ningning deserving more for her seniority and skill
Literally agree with everything you said especially about Miyeon and NingNing. Everytime a person says that Miyeon isn't getting what she deserves in the group or something like that these Stans literally come at you claiming that "she got alot of lines in Dumdi Dumdi!!” Like srsly is has been ages to that, just think if it were Minnie or Yuqi in her position, by now people would've been on Soyeon's throat saying how unfair she is. This just highlights the double standards of the fandom. And honestly it's more about getting memorable parts as a main vocalist rather than singing the whole song...like at least give her a high note or something!
And yeah, these are just my thoughts being a fan of their music as well as Miyeon, if it hurts your fragile heart to see the reality then srsly it can't be helped.
and the fact that liz improved a lot vocally and her only getting to prove that on her vlive because she has nowhere to showcase it is just upsetting.
Siyeon actually amazing..
But sometimes I think....yoohyeon.. deserve main vocalist position too
I think siyeon fits dreamcatchers sound more
@@luancosta199 of course she is ......
But yoohyeon..... deserve main vocalist position too
They’re both equally capable
Siyeon voice suit Dreamcatcher Rock & EDM side so well, because she have that raspy voice that a lot of female Rock vocalist have...while Yoohyeon's voice suit their Poppish side especially R&B and Ballad. Yes, Yoohyeon can hit the high note like Siyeon..but I prefer Yoohyeon focus on her Pop side coz it suit her more...
I feel like one thing winter has over the other members is how stable she is. She rarely misses in their few live performances, she sounds exactly like the studio version. But I really wished she had more adlibs or lower notes than high notes because her voice really shines on those little parts
Finally somene SAYS i always think about Taeyeon when I hear Miyeon singing
Liz deserves much more more lines like girl can sing so well
I don't think that a main vocalist has to have a lot of lines in songs, just the most hard to sing
With miyeon's voice, her part in Nude was hit different..
Sad that Liz got the most mistreatment compare to others in the list. Miyeon and Lia understandable as their group concept is not 100% suits with their vocals, both suit ballad songs more. Same with Jihyo.
i feel like because most gidle songs have limited singing parts in the chorus, miyeon gets gipped a lot. the only title tracks where she has a chorus are latata, dumdi dumdi and senorita. so clearly, seems like they only use her voice for bright/feminine concepts even though miyeon has such a rich voice. also, having both yuqi and miyeon, idle has some of the best developed lower register vocal lines but soyeon seems to typically only compose songs that are in /her (limited) vocal range. this is not a drag at soyeon at all, since i know she is idle's literal backbone and it's bc of her they even have the level of success they have now, and i'm also happy that the lack of lines hasn't affected miyeon's popularity, given that she's the most popular member domestically, but i really want gidle songs to have a bit more variety vocally so that miyeon and yuqi can have more chances to shine. having said that, i LOVE how miyeon's voice is used in minnie-produced songs! from blow your mind (aka giving miyeon her highest belt within gidle's discography), her chorus and prechorus parts in change, and the chorus and in sculpture especially!! the almost jazzy backing track suits her voice sound so well and adds luxury to the song.
Just for curiosity, since you see Yujin as Ive’s sub-vocal, would you say Rei is the lead vocal then? I was felt like she was top 3 or top 2 in vocals, but people always put her in last place because… yk… a rapper
I’ve vocal rankings: Liz, yujin, rei, gaeul, wonyoung, leeseo. Rei should be comfortably 3rd but I don’t think she’s close to Yujin and definitely not to liz
@@evanwang1203 That’s exactly my ranking lol love it. I just said >maybe< top 2 because I think Yujin strains a lot in her higher range and gets a little pitchy live. I’ve always preferred Rei’s pitch accuracy and consistency, but yeah… I guess third place is an accurate place for her
Siyeon really fits the Main Vocal, since DC signature sound is rock and she used to be in a rock band, so she totally fits the main vocal
Lily & Haewon from NMIXX 💚🤍
3:28 I feel like this has less to do with Soyeon and co not knowing what to do with Miyeon and more to do with Soyeon producing (G)I-DLE's songs using templates. She's got a formula and she's stickin' to it, ladies and gents!! And like, this isn't inherently a bad thing; lots of groups in K-Pop have a formula. The problem comes in when this formula isn't allowed to evolve or the group doesn't switch it up every once in a while. And that's what we're seeing with (G)I-DLE. I was hoping that TOMBOY was a sign that Soyeon was going to get more adventurous with (G)I-DLE's music, but nope!! It was just another formula.
Soyeon probably realized that the tomboy formula was working and she's definitely gonna be using it for a few comeback 🤷♀️ if thats what it takes to be more succesfull
it’s important to note that being a main vocalist does not equate to needing the most lines, just the lines that are most advanced and suited for them
Ningning suits winter's parts much better than winter, winter's voice is annoying in the high register and mixed registers and she lacks belting but they gave her harder parts outside from her capacity that's why hee voice turns nasal just by hitting c5 and her high notes are so annoying and shrill, and she can't rap her girls rap was a joke but Ningning can do them much better than her, so why not give them to Ningning who's the main vocalist for a reason
@@eulalia3468 Ok so what you're saying is give Ningning ALL the high note adlibs that are about 4-5 in every one of their song? I mean it's ok though since she doesn't do it properly in a lot of times when singing live but it can still tire her. Aespa is a vocal group, it makes no sense for you to only give Ningning everything and put every trouble to her when she can rely on others
@@eulalia3468 The girls rap should have been given to Giselle who is the main rapper. In fact not every raps need to be given to both Winter and Ningning.
@@Vyro-g12You're right. But this comment should also be applied to Winter as well.
@@Yo99753 winter can't rap, Karina is a mediocre rapper so Giselle should rap more, but this is mostly about Ningning and winter
3:57 I been thinking that for soooo long, I’m so happy I’m not the only one to think that!
Im ngl the thing with Miyeon if i had to guess abt it i thimk shes leaveing more lines for the other members (mainly shuhua and yuqi) cuz like yes she is one fo the main vocalist but also I-DLE gets to pick their own lines but in I-DLEs early part of their career shu and yuqi purposely picked less lines bc yuqi was insecure abt her deep voice and shu was insecure abt her pronunciation altho yuqi did start picking more lines but shu didn t so i think Miyeons doing that to make sure shu's voice gets put into their songs enough also i do agree she should have more lines.
Edit: at the end i mean she as in miyeon
It's already rare for kpop to have great vocals and they all have the AUDACITY to not make use of their talent properly. Idc that's a sin
I know Soyeon writes gidle’s songs but she’s already getting all the rap lines I hope the singing lines can be given to the vocalists of the group. Anyways, still love them.
With Itzy, it’s more of a dance/sp focused group and most of their songs does not showcase the group’s vocal abilities, especially Lia’s.
I do remember the first time i listened to Redvelvet, it was a random listening party and "psycho" played and i was so mesmerized by the blonde girl aka wendy i remember thinking how could anyone have such a beautiful voice. Like you said the best thing about RV producers is that they know how to show off wendy's vocals not just for high notes, i bet people would be so surprised listening to wendy in psycho, butterflies, like water and alter ego.... These four songs give off 4 wendys, she's versatile and she shows it well.
I still remember my amazement when i discovered that Jihyo is main vocalist of Twice not Nayeon or the fact that Nayeon is lead vocalist not main. Jihyo has a distinct voice in Twice since it's rich and has more mature sensual feel rather than the sweet tone that most Twice members have, Jihyo has been always the "belter" in Twice but only recently that her rich voice started to shine.. At least to me. Speaking of mains getting mistreated, It's not okay to give solo album to lead vocalist before the main vocalist...
Just when i was about to comment about ITZY, i noticed that Lia and Yeji are the same as Jihyo and Nayeon... Huh.. Interesting....
You know even if G-idle line distribution got better, it still feels like Soyeon and friends, i've been a casual listener for so long but i listened to the nxde album obsessively and i noticed that the vocal direction of idle is so boring, it's always soyeon giving the spicy catchy part and the rest of the song is the same with members switching parts and no harmonies and no use of the members different tones, gidle's main strength vocally is that they actually sound different and very distinct from each others but they don't know how to take advantage of it. Just imagine how good X-Files and sculpture would've sounded if they used some harmonies. In my opinion, the entirety of the vocal line is mistreated/ underutilized not just the main vocalist.
As for Aespa, while i do agree with the comments that NingNing mistreatment stems from the fact that she's the Chinese of the group. I mean both her and Giselle are the foreigners and they're the ones in the shadow, i also believe it's due to the fact that winter has a "dry" "metallic" "cool" feel to her voice that suits aespa's whole ae concept and songs unlike ningning who have a warm sensual feel to her voice. That's how they sound to my ears personally and tbh i prefer winter's vocals as i said she suits the concept better however ningning really ate "next level" that's the song that shows ningning the main vocalist.
If I have to be onest (and Ningning is my ult bias, for me ONE OF the best vocalist of her gen) listening Next level, Dreams come true, Savage, and Girls...I really thought that Winter was the main and Ning2 the lead. Not because of the amount of lines, but the vocals themselves seems to be focused on Winter's voice.
And yeas!! Let the gurls sing live please, since now there was only one actually live of girls and illusion, but is not enough!
what a great video! thank you!
me watching mindless all of sudden Siyeon's solo playing im like DREAMCATCHEr👀
okay now that i got to number 2.... i was not expection Dreamcatcher to be here lol
About NingNing one thing that should have been mentioned is that the gap in skills with her and winter is (with what we can judge so far) not big at all. And let's not forget aespa does not have "official positions" so i wouldn't be surprised that sm thinks of both as main singers.
This situation actually reminds me a lot of the dynamics of taeyeon and jessica in their earlier years. The gap between them was (around debut time) also not that big and while taeyeon's technique was better she would struggle a lot with really high notes, anything above D5 was given to jessica, even if she was straining them she would handle them better.
aespa definitely had official positions when they debuted but it seems like it doesn‘t matter anymore to them and that‘s good. it doesn‘t limit them to anything. winter getting more than ningning makes sense, ningnings voice is so light and floaty, so many parts in aespas songs would lose impact if ning2 sang them instead of winter
@@shinigagamimi yyj just favor winter as she was called his daughter so he gave more lines to her. Hoping that other producer will handle aespa's songs in their next comeback. I actually don't like yyj. Main line deserve better.
They can't do that aespa just have 4 members the gap between the members is obvious, if they were like 6 or 7 members they can double the main positions. If the main vocal of aespa will be two then just make both Giselle and Karina the main rapper since karina got more lines than giselle.
Aespa has official positions and if you know stuff about vocal technique and ability (or read a lot of things about that from credible sources, if you don't) there is absolutely a decent gap between Ningning and Winter in terms of vocal ability. Winter is a very good vocalist but Ningning has much stronger development in all registers across the board, with a lower register almost on par with Wendy and Taeyeon. Winter strains a LOT in high notes (which is why you can hear that tight and shrill sound) and is best in her mid range, whereas Ningning has much more open and effortless high notes despite her lower register being arguably her strongest asset.
@@QueenNectariine they said themselves that they don't have official positions, it's on video ... and i know a fair amount of vocal technique, i know that there is in fact a gap but it is not big.... I mean winter is a high average vocalist while Ningning is low-mide average to above average, i personally don't consider that a big gap. I know Ningning is a more rounder vocalist and her low register is strong (not as much as taeyeon or wendy yet) and her mix is quite relaxed, however their supported register in mixed voice is also close, winter has showed consistency with her B4 and while ningning has supported many C5 and C#5 in studio her consistency with those notes live is still to be determined. Anything above that they both sing without correct vocal technique, the only difference is that since winter is more chesty she strains, and since ning is more heady she doesn't sound too bad, but it doesnt mean much if they're both not supporting. Ningning is actually my bais in asespa so my intention is only to try understand the pov of sm.
Miyeon also has a whole ass solo so?
SHINE ON ME, LET IT SHINE ON MEEEE
Dreamcatcher’s Siyeon🫶🏻
For idle's case since they have 2 main vocalists and usually minnies voice ends up fitting their title songs more thats the reason why miyeon gets overshadowed.
Entrancing for bm ❤
can you do a newjeans vocal analysis? 🤍🙏🏾
Maybe people take these positions way too seriously. Main vocalist doesn’t mean “You are going to have the most amount of line forever and no one else can shine more than you”
I've been following (g)i-dle for 3 years now, I've seen the way they work with their music, Soyeon knows which members fit that line in the songs, even for Miyeon she would give her the main parts along with Minnie, Yuqi, Soojin and Shuhua. Miyeon is not pushed aside either, she still on both title tracks and b-sides. For Ningning she's just mismanaged not pushed aside, she still gets more lines
she's still on both title tracks and b-sides...thx god they didn't exclude her from the group for real
Oh thank god Miyeon atleast appears in all the songs of Gidle, the group she's a part of & not totally evicted from singing. 😶
@@averyatwell95 thanks to soyeon, if not about her making all those music, ppl will never remember about miyeon and only think she ex bp right?
please don't use the word mistreated to describe idols not getting lines
How tf did you not add WJSN’s Dawon to the list
It really seems to come down to the producers and the image the company wants them to have. SM has a habit of pushing visuals and their Korean members, so I can see why Ningning gets sidelined. For Twice, Nayeon really dominates their cutesy image, but it's nice to see Jihyo get more lines now that their image is maturing. Liz and Jihyo are in very similar positions. They have rich, mature voices in large groups where by and large, the other vocalists aren't nearly as skilled and have more cutesy voices. Liz really deserves a solo song to show off what she can do. For Miyeon, I feel like Soyeon basically always writes solo songs for g-idle based around her own voice, and that just doesn't fit Miyeon or the more edgy image Soyeon prefers. Even in Miyeon's solo debut, it still felt like no one knew how to best utilize her voice because it's been 4+ years and no one has bothered figuring it out yet! On the flip side, since Dreamcatcher only works with the same production team, they definitely know how to utilize each member's voice in the best way while still maintaining DC's core sound. SM really found a jewel in Wendy, but I do see some people mistake Seulgi as the main vocalist from live performances since Wendy isn't quite as stable while dancing. It just takes up more of her concentration no stamina than it does for Seulgi. But in the recording studio or while still, Wendy is just fantastic, and I'm glad SM recognizes that. She also does the vocal guide for the group. Seeing the behind the scenes of RV's studio recordings, you REALLY see how much Wendy anchors the group. All the extra harmonies and ad live she records and creates, how she shapes her vowels and consonants to match the vibe and energy of the song. Most of RV's gorgeous harmonies wouldn't be there without Wendy sampling different notes in chords for the producers to hear before the other girls record them. Rosé's identifiable voice is a huge reason for BP's success, even though it meant undoing some of her better technique habits. It's just a shame Teddy's productions are so limited in scope. But with some big record labels in the US courting Rosé's solo (not group) contract for renewal, I'm looking forward to hearing her do and sing the music that she wants to put out there as a soloist. That just won't happen if she lets YG maintain both her group and solo contract.
Wendy is the most stable, loud & clear at live singing in RV though. People who confused who's the main vocal in RV might be because Seulgi gets similar lines as Wendy & also many adlibs, but she has much more screentime & centre time than Wendy, so naturally people would focus on her by default.
Wendy is the most stable in RV when comes to live performance, if you actually ever see their concerts she's the most stable one like she has stamina to sings all the hard parts given to her live for hours, she's a total performer.
The problem is that in a lot of RV's mv she barely gets any screentime, this affecting how people especially new fans perceive and recognise who is who, given the fact when it supposed to be her parts but the screen is showing someone else, hell even now a lot of old fans still tends to mistaking her parts for someone else even the fact it clearly her voice. It need to be noted, generally if you get less screentime then less people will notice you, and people only give attention to those with a lot of screentime.
Other notorius problem is that she often a victim of bad camerawork, whether it's music show, end of year show, or award show. She's the one singing and yet the camera is focus on someone else, or when it's her part suddenly the camera zoom out focusing in anyone and anything but her and it happens a lot in the whole of her career 😩. If you don't know there was this performance of Hit That Drum and when it was her part the camera focusing on other member, this factor does affecting people who are new or just casually listen to them since I knew people who think it was the other member who did the high note and not Wendy, it was big disappointment for Wendy's fans because she did great job for her 12 sec high notes but yeah...the camera didn't even try to focus on the one actually singing 😩
We have less screentime and victim of bad camerawork, now I need to add how in their choreos she often (like really often) put in somewhere else but the center, run from one side to another side, or like how she's doing her part but she's not in the center??? Like come on, people will focus on the one in the center unless you are her fans 😩
Seulgi is the lead vocal and she gets a lot of similar part with Wendy. The thing about this is that while Seul get actual lines a lot of what Wendy has actually adlibs, like how she usually is the #1 in line distribution but pardon, it actually full of adlibs which a lot of people might not even notice it actually there and if you're not familiar with their voices you might mistaken them despite the fact their voices can be easily distinguished from each other most of time (there are times where their voices sound similar to each other but in general they have very different vocal tone, enunciation etc thus differentiate them)
Well, as a neverland I wouldn’t say Soyeon writes “solo songs” since this edgy vibe doesn’t only suit her, but Minnie and Yuqi, and previously Soojin as well so it’s pretty natural for the group to move in this musical direction. Last comebacks confident concept suit Shuhua the most. However I agree that with all that being said, Miyeon remains terribly underutilized and its such a shame since her strong vocals have an insane amount of potential. The last comeback when she shined was dumdi dumdi and it was like 2 years ago?? She did debut solo which is good but I hope she gets more appropriate lines in group comebacks as well
What?your funny about wendy here lol wendy is more stable than seulgi when they perform live. seulgi sometimes isn't stable when performing live. Just search more about RV before you comment something like that.
@@voyez5648 RV is one of my ult bias groups. I've gone out of my way to see them live multiple times for all 3 tours (Red Room in Tokyo and Osaka both days each), Redmare (Kobe both nights, LA both nights, Newark) and La Rouge (Osaka). I think Wendy was the most stable their first 2 years or so after debut and then for the past few years starting around RBB and Zimzalabim, but she did have a bit of a stamina decrease in the middle years. I also feel like she gets more stable the more their promotions progress too. When SM doesn't make them lipsync now 😡 or before they did, I do think around Bad Boy and beyond that Seulgi would be the most stable for the first few performances, and then when Wendy starts feeling more comfortable with the choreography, she becomes the most stable. Wendy is such a perfectionist that it seems like while she is still getting the choreography down, her vocals do suffer a little bit. Unfortunately, most people only seem to watch the first week or so of a group's comeback stages when they have more complex sets and expensive stage outfits, etc. Not to mention that when Wendy has ad libs or things like that, the camera almost never focuses on her.
I do agree that Wendy is the most stable, but to me, she is so incredibly fantastic in the recording studio or while not dancing that I do hear a bit of a difference in her voice when she is also dancing. For Seulgi, on the other hand, she has a great voice but it doesn't really come near to Wendy's for studio recordings, but she is also able to match her vocals while dancing to her studio ones a bit better. Wendy is still a better vocalist more stable overall live, but you can kind of get fooled into thinking she isn't just because Seulgi sounds more similar to her studio vocals and Wendy is just so good in the studio and while still that the slight difference stands out more to your ear. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I worded or explained myself well here.
Guys, stop complaining about miyeon and watch her duet with lee mujin. Istg her voice is so heavenly there, I kept coming back to watch her and lee mujin. They're both incredible and their voices matches well without overshadowing each other
0:51 what's the name of the music????
"Entrancing" by Siyeon of Dreamcatcher
2:17 Wait what Thats random haha Why are you talking about wonyoung eating a strawberry When your talking about vocals?
Best mia everglow or one of the best
Rosé Golden Voice of Korea⭐
SIEUN STAYC
you seriously need to check out chisa and juria's voices, they are from the global girlgroup XG❤️
juria:
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chisa:
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both:
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truly amazing vocalists
You should check out Itzy’s karaoke here, lias mix is a lot stronger and more balanced here imo: th-cam.com/video/ejaMcTHIYSc/w-d-xo.html
What's the title of song that plays between number 2 and number 1?
"Entrancing" by Siyeon of Dreamcatcher :)
@@aintnootherfan Thank youuu
Still some people say Jennie treated like Main vocalist while Rosé lead lol...
Liz is the only member with sense of support but they treated her like shit in the title track
For I've fans I genuinely wanted to ask, did Liz's mistreatment start before or after she got weight?
After
All of IVE is mismanaged, it’s a big mess. I do love Wonyoung and yujin but they aren’t the most skilled, just most popular. If I had to put them in order from most to least managed it would be:
Wonyoung
Yujin
Rei
Leesoo
Liz & gaeul
(I’m not so sure bout Rei and leesoo so they were put in random spots so correct me if I’m wrong)
I do think Nayeon is outshining Jihyo more and more because she's the center. I also don't think they use Jeongyeon as well as they could either
Outshining Jihyo? Lol Nayeon has always been more popular than Jihyo, Jihyo is just good at performing live/singing live that's why people are confident about her position. Plus producer likes Nayeon's tone even though technically JY is better than her
@@parkjihyoismywifeu i think what they mean by outshining is that nayeon gets the main harder parts while jihyo gets the less hard parts
Lol i was surprised that miyeon was the main vocalist
The Liz situation is so confusing. It's kinda obvious that something happened behind-the-scenes. Not only her lines decreased, she became more quiet in their content and her stage presence faltered as well. She's only the only 'proficient' singer Ive got, with Yujin quite far away from her skills-wise. She got quite a lot of attention for her Ive x Lauv video of After Like (I really recommend it!) and tons of praise on social media, I hope Starship will do something about it because it's laughable.
I get why Winter gets the belts as NingNing doesn't seem to have that much confidence in her upper register while Winter just goes for it but I agree that she also gets the most "showy" lines anyways, I still wouldn't call Ninging mistreated, I hope they will find a better balance though as they are both really good vocalists!
I'm surprised you didn't mention Jihyo vs Nayeon discourse. I agree with your points although some probably won't as Nayeon is the one who usually gets the most lines. Nayeon is the 'voice' of Twice, someone who producers/ general audience think suits Twice sound/image the most. Jihyo always gets good amount of lines, some challening ones, chorus/bridges so I wouldn't call her mistreated as well.
If you watch their festival performances, Liz actually shine and looks fine...
But everytime they performed for tv she seems reverse to shy and quiet. Her collab with Yuqi and Yoon looks so awkward.
I'm Kpop fan since 2018 and I'm pretty sure the reason Liz was "left behind" is unfortunately due to her weight gain.
@@marijane12 Rei is a skilled rapper and can write her own rap, Gaeul is a decent main dancer and Yujin is a good performer, but yeah, otherwise each of them is average at best
@Mari Jane y’all gotta stop discrediting yujin like she’s talentless or something lol.
@@dojavillager5998nobody discredited her, but it’s true Liz is the most skilled vocalist. Yujin is good too, but compared to Liz there is a major gap
I do agree on Miyeon :" I fall in love with her voice, especially from KDA/Popstar (League of Legend)! In that song, her voice shine without overshadow other singers and whenever I see Ahri, I always remember Miyeon sung the song. She makes the character much more real and live! Her part never failed to make me astonished by her voice. That's why I follow G-ILDE, but sadly she got less line, or line without any punch line that dull out the her voice. I also notice that she got less screen time too, like switch back-and-forth to zoom out her in many of videos. I hope that she get more chances that she deserve because she is excellent singer 😢
True I hope shes never leave on blackpink
In "I Want That", she got both prechoruses but practically no screen time. I don't know what to say, but I really liked Miyeon during the HWAA era
Wendy usually gets the least screentime tho. (Especially before psycho era). Now that she's getting popular, they're giving her more.
Yes, she is more mistreated by her company
Lack screen time, lack 'center time' when it's come to her part, lack promotion, lack singing gigs before 2021, not letting her do collab when a lot of people want to colab with her and the most important thing ssw2 not getting green light 😔
After the release of "Stamped on it" seeing that Wendy didn't have as much center but balanced with screen time and lines, I guess the problem is the team in charge of RV.
@@Diana-yf9nb yeah she shines in GOT the beat. She may not have a lot of center time there, at least she has decent screentime. The concept also suits her. But I think the RV team has now realized wendy's rising popularity (too late tho). In their latest comebacks (Birthday and FMR) she got a decent amount of screentime and center time, unlike before (looking at you Peekaboo and Dumb Dumb era among others)
I agree with what you said, especially about Miyeon. I'm only a casual kpop listener but (g)i-dle have been the group I gravitate towards the most for a while. Miyeon got great moments in Latata but the last comeback they had where she shined was Dumdi Dumdi imho. Meanwhile Minnie, the other main vocalist, gets the more demanding parts and also the most memorable. Even Yuqi has gotten some main-vocalist worthy moments more recently. I just hope Miyeon will stop being pushed aside because I absolutely adore her voice and I know she has a lot to bring to the group.
She's not being pushed aside her voice is really beautiful and she gets alot of lines in the b sides and also her solo which is out there but as Minnie voice is very experimental they try to use it alot to see what else she can do with it and because yuqi voice is very deep they try to make that shine as well not to mention soyeon unique voice I guess compared to the other three miyeon voice is just kinda normal in kpop and honestly that's not a bad thing
@@pinkykamara3665 Miyeon still got a lot of opportunity compared to other main vocalist in k-pop she has alot of solo activities like cover/album/acting/mc/featuring
@@thats_not_breezyshes_soo_windy Yeah I know that but people never seem to see it it's almost like they don't even know anything about miyeon they just see an opportunity to say she's being mistreated or not getting enough lines just to hate on soyeon like miyeon is the member who gets the most promotion but they never see that 🤦♀️
@@pinkykamara3665 Yes, she does get a lot of promotion because by now Cube knows her potential in the domestic market whereas on the other hand Soyeon basically being their main producer doesn't know how to use her vocals and the maturity she has in her voice through the years of training. And for god's sake to don't come at me saying that I'm HATING Soyeon, it's just that when she has such a big hand in their music then this really is her concern too. These are just my thoughts being long time listener.
@@pinkykamara3665 she's last in 3 songs on i LOVE out of 6...
Sm debuted ningning and giselle just to be backups for winter and karina I said what I said
It's kinda true.
agreed. ningning for vocals and giselle for rapping, but then winter and karina get all the spotlight from sm.
@@melodytang7197 it's unfair because ningselle both hold main positions but yyj is biased af
@@deadinside-jk +giselle slightly better in vocals than karina, but karina gets more vocal lines and winter gets more lines than ningning, despite ningning being a much stronger vocalist.
@@melodytang7197 and the fact that we haven't seen gigi's full potential most vocal critics rank her so low bc they don't have enough materials. SM is the reason why most stans doubt her talents🤧
I think that people don’t really understand what SM is doing with Ningning. Her mistreatment goes so much deaper than just getting less lines. And some of you can say that Winter has better vocals, but that’s just not true. Ningning has way better vocal technique and skill she just isn’t given the opportunity to show it and that is bc of one of SM’s biggest issues since day one.
She is Chinese
SM ALWAYS mistreats their Chinese idols. Literally look at all of the exo, and fx Chinese members. Ningning is another in the long line of Chinese idols that SM adds so that they get sales in China and then treat them like shit. SM doesn’t give a shit about Ningning (or giselle) after aespa. The entire group is so obviously set up for winter and karina and it’s honestly sad, especially when you see how talented Ningning is and how much passion she has for being a star. She’s literally been doing this since she was 5, competing in Chinese talent shows and seeing SM waste that is sad
I agreee most of aespa vlogs are about karina and winter....im sorry guys but sometimes i forget aespa has 4 members....like SM is jus focusing on karina and winter....ningning and Giselle deserve better tbh...
This. People need to recognize that SM has a racism problem, even by K-pop industry standards
Didn't ningning get the most lines in sm winter album? She got plenty of main vocalist line in a album full of main vocalists.
@@sowhat1674 not really her mistreatment goes beyond just lines lol
@@eulalia3468 that's on the haters then. Idols always get attack for anything and it's not like a company can end it.
I was shocked to know that Miyeon is the main vocalist, she deserves better!!
Ningning and Giselle are always overshadowed...
😥yes they deserve better
About the producers letting Wendy explore her vocals... Is it just me or is she a better rapper than Irene? Like I only listened to 2 of her raps but they sounded on another level
Wendy is actually a better rapper (flow-wise) than Irene, but it wouldn't be fair in line distribution if she holds 2 main positions. Wendy does take over for Irene's rap lines whenever Irene is absent.
Also Wendy auditioned for YG (but got rejected) and her rap style is more YG than SM, which is more swaggy, so this is why some people think she's a better rapper cause of the natural swag
If you dissect their dance technique too, Wendy is a better idol dancer than Irene. So honestly she could be part of the dance, rap, and vocal line if they were going off of current skills.
@@DeeDeeDeeeee damn shes the definition of soloist material
irene also hate rapping, she being the main rapper just to fill the rapper positions
@@slaypa yea I can kinda feel that ngl 😅
jype producers doesn't know how to work with lia's tone, she has the better tecnique and range, yet the best moments of her voice is when she's singing by herself doing covers on lives or on the lee mujin service. Cheshire for me proved that she is the best in itzy, yeji and chaeryeong sang the chorus too but lia's version is so more stable and with better breath control, also in loco if you listen carefully there a lot of performances where yeji does not sing her full part of the chorus because of her breath while lia sings her entire part in the loco chorus even with them dancing and you can see she has better control.
I think whoever writes Itzy songs doesn’t know how to actually use talented members. The raps are so bad that people actually think Ryujin can’t rap. Hopefully future songs show off the members abilities other than dancing.
@@disasterfan2995 i agree, ryujin can rap really good but the producers don't know how to work with it, i wish the girls started writing their songs cause with them being more in control the songs will fit them better and we alredy know lia, chaeryeong and ryujin write lyrics but we never see those lyrics.
It's sad seeing Liz being treated like this, although I think it's a bit too early to judge, they only had 2 comebacks.
Miyeon has one of my favorite voices in kpop and it's sad to see how Soyeon, although an amazing producer, doesn't really know what to do with her voice, or even Yuqi's voice for that matter. She just keeps giving them the same lines and let's them trade off in the pre-chorus.
With Lia, I think she is being treated as fairly as she can. Her voice just doesn't fit Itzy's sound...And being a main vocal means she can't be given too many specially made for her parts since she would need to share them with with Yeji or Chae at some point.
Ningning is doing fine, her and Winter have very similar skill-sets and deliveries so it's natural they are both going to get a lot of lines. It just feels more visible cause they are in a 4 member group but I don't think a 7 or so second difference is a big deal. The producers seem to like Winter on the high notes more which is their choise.
Jihyo is fine, girl be singing half the song by herself. Rose and Siyeon are also fine.
Wendy, here's a hot take, I never thought that she suited RV's music. Not one bit. It's too quirky, too k-pop-ish. Her voice sounds too western, too 'diva-like' for that kind of sound. Line-wise though, yeah she is being treated great.
I agree, Wendy's voice always seemed too "skilled" for kpop songs, ig? But since psycho I think she's been suiting their sound more
i see what you're saying, but listen to kingdom come by red velvet and you'll see how well they blend on that song
the thing with wendy is she can play with her vocal tones a lot. her natural belting voice without any distortion fits the typical western pop ballad/rnb style. but she can play with her voice so much which makes her very versatile. for the most part, their title tracks don’t fit the typical artistic route you would expect from her, but on their rnb tracks, and most bsides, it’s very much showcased.
About Wendy you're so damn wromg i think she actually fits the "Red Velvet sound" Or whatever you guys call it🙄 Just fine. Their sound litterally changes a lot compared to their debut,now and their sub-units. You guys just call smthng whatever. Wendy fits the songs perfectly like in 'Feel my rhythm, Oompah² and many more..If you're atleast gonna talk smack about how 'she doesn't fit Rv's sound' Then that doesnt make it an excuse to ignore HER Good Vocal ability
@@Ash.e__Mayy k. Never said she can't sing, never talked smack about her, rv's sound has only 2 sides, it's either their red cute concept or their velvet...whatever concept neither of which she fits IMO. Now stop being so pressed and go stream queendom, she sounded good on that one.
I think it's ridiculous to say that there's no favoritism on IVE when their best vocalist by far gets progressively less lines each comeback (no hate to the other members, it's the company's fault).
LoL 😂, Starship even put Wonyoung and Leeso on stage just to lip singing while Liz standing there never got what she deserves
What are your thoughts on the vocals in The Happiest Girl by Blackpink? 👀
The things that irritates me that IVE title tracks have many hard/difficult parts that they should give at Liz since that's her work there as a main vocalist but instead they give it to sub vocalist
the ningning issue gets a lot deeper when you take a look at sm’s history with chinese members of their groups
They also always gave Liz ugly dresses lmao
Starship has been mistreating all of IVE , yes even Wonyoung. Starship overworking and starving Wonyoung is setting her up for failure and bullying .
Liz is the best vocalist , looks pretty (though she is ugly for Koreans) dances well and has good stage presence . She got that ' It girl ' factor and can be soloist if trained even more.
thank you for bringing up the fact that starship is nothing but exploitative towards wonyoung who many love to claim is the company fave… you would think an asset as valuable as her for the company would get the strongest protection but unfortunately they don’t lift a finger when it comes to protecting her from cyberbullying and hate comments which IS mistreatment
Finally true comment
Obvious starship want only easy money and dont care about the members images and reputation
Wonyoung never protect by the company when she get ton hate comments and hate video...they never sue her haters even she was minor last year..wonyoung is overworked as hell and never get break even she was highschooler last girl last year yet get treated so bad
@@babygurl3832 yujin and leeseo is considered but yet ive re all visuel
Koreans only consider her ugly because of her weight gain. Before that, people used to praise her visuals
I agree, although Liz isn't ugly for Koreans. She got lots of love during their debut for both her vocals and her looks (some even saying that she ans Leeseo are more good looking than Wonyoung) It only happened after her weight gain that she got criticism
starship just lost face when they decided to put wonyoung and leeseo lipsyncing strawberry moon .. it wasn’t the girls fault as they are just weak vocalists in general but gosh i get that idols aren’t true singers but now it just seems like singing is dead. like now they seem just like tiktokers to me, being pretty and lipsyncing.
I never felt like Jihyo has little lines
Jeongyeon is the one with little lines & unfair treatment.
@@averyatwell95 like she only got to sing the last chorus maybe only half of it in their debut 😭
@@wriothesley_cakefactory And now she didn’t sing one chorus :(
Yes, Wendy deserves all the love. Yes, RV’s producers are one of the best. But honestly, i think they’re comfy on putting her everywhere, at any level, because she also has the SUPPORT of her vocal line, who are incredible AND distinctive. AND the rap line covering the sub vocals like it’s nothing. God i love Red Velvet 😆🤣. But it’s not just them, the ones you rated quite highly are supported by their team members vocally like this too.
Thank GOD Cube and YG passed on Wendy when she auditioned for them.
If YG had gotten her, she'd be getting one comeback per year if she was lucky and playing second-fiddle to a 3rd rate rapper.
If Cube had gotten her, she wouldn't have made a cent and her group would be disbanded already.
I'm rolling LOL
So true 💀
*We will support you Ningning*
this was a GREAT video and it was original ! reading the title i honestly got the topic of the video wrong but i prefer this much better, this was a great concept. it’s important to analyze their treatment from time to time. as always i’m praying for liz…… like what the fuck……….
I agree with pretty much all of what you've said here. The main things I would add personally (mostly as personal preferences) are that it is a bit more difficult for me to listen to Twice's more recent songs (even though I like the songs) with Nayeon having all/vast majority of the high notes instead of Jihyo or even Jeongyeon. It sounds very shrill most of the time and hurts my ears.. I just don't find it pleasing at all to listen to :/ Same with Winter vs. Ningning - I love Aespa's songs but Winter's high notes are so SHRILL it is physically uncomfortable for me to listen to T_T Her mid range is great to listen to but I wish they would give Ningning the high parts instead since she performs them so much better. Also would love to hear more of Ningnings lower registers in future songs.
On that note - a main "defending" point I see a lot with lead vocal solo stans is "but the main vocal doesn't mean they have the most lines it means they have the most challenging parts" except that isn't really true for like half the main vocals you talked about in this video. Miyeon rarely ever lately gets the most/more challenging parts to sing in (G)-idle title songs and it is instead always given to Minnie (who, technically speaking, is a lead vocalist at best esp. when compared to (G)-idle's original sole main vocal Miyeon), who also gets the heavy majority of the lines as well as some of the most memorable parts even if they are not challenging. I think people also need to remember that while B-Sides are great, the vast majority of K-Pop fans and new listeners heavily favor listening to most title tracks, so the distribution and treatment in title tracks is extremely important as that is the first and most-often-heard style and abilities of said group.
In Aespa title tracks, while for the most part distribution for them is pretty even, Winter definitely has collectively more challenging parts given to her than Ningning does, despite being the main vocal and performing said parts better due to her skill. Same for Jihyo - while she has regressed a bit since early Twice days, she is still Twice's best vocalist and while she does get her fair share of lines, Nayeon still gets more and also gets the most challenging parts as of late. And while she's not a main vocal, I can't even begin to describe the extreme disappointment I feel towards their under-utilization of Jeongyeon's vocals, which are better than Nayeon's (and in my opinion she has a more pleasing tone to my personally).
Idk, one of the "arguments" I hate most from a lot of the youngsters into K-Pop in the current era is "well they give lines according to whose voice suits the songs better" but that's... not how that is supposed to work all the time. The whole point of making a good, solid group is having members with different strengths/weaknesses and PLAYING to said strengths of each member - not just completely or mostly forgetting about someone because "tHeYr'E nOT tHe 'VoIcE' oF tHe gRoUp!!" If a member's voice is that grossly unsuited to their group's songs/sound then perhaps the company should not have placed them in said group to live in the shadows. That's not a viable excuse imo, it's just poor mismanagement and defending said poor mismanagement. Rant over LOL
I think it’s a bit crazy to say that they are mistreated because they aren’t singing every line in a song… way to be dramatic lmaooo! But I think that they are all just fine with what they get.
Main vocal liz had no chorus in after like while visual Wonyoung had all 3, Miyeon have simple not challenging lines in the title tracks while in bsides she gets better but don't really showcase much of her, while unique voice Minnie is constantly in the top 2 lines, yes, they're mistreated because they lack main vocal worthy parts
@@Oliver-uz1fsI can only speak for (G)I-DLE because that’s the group that I Stan. For them it’s not about who has what position in the group, it’s about who fits what part. They talk about their lines together and soyeon even said that when she makes songs she already has in mind what member would sound best where. Just because Miyeon isn’t singing every line, high notes, etc doesn’t mean that she is mistreated. Minnie sings the most in the albums because her voice is so versatile and she can adapt to different parts of the songs and different concepts for songs. Miyeon sings a lot of the chorus and pre-chorus because that’s where they feel her voice sounds the best and that’s true. Also none of their song are “challenging” anyway so of course she isn’t going to sing challenging parts. Just like their songs don’t always have high notes. Miyeon isn’t mistreated. In the line distribution for their albums she is usually third which makes sense bc soyeon is a main rapper and Minnie is a main vocalist. Of course one main vocalist is going to be higher than the other. No one in any group is going to sing the exact same amount in a song.
@@Oliver-uz1fs also to add in most of their b-side tracks miyeon is second and soyeon is near the bottom. So miyeon does sing. Just not the most in title tracks.
With Wendy i love how you can tell what they have in mind, they give Wendy THE main vocal parts. Parts where you think oh that’s something the main vocalist should sing
This was amazing and i agree with everything. I hope you release a pt 2
sadly I think Liz has less lines and screen time because of her weight gain, maybe she lost confidence in herself and didn't want to be too centered in the title tracks or, most likely, the company is favoring the members with the "best visuals" to get the most lines so the most screen time and center position
Miyeon has one of, if not, the prettiest voices in 4th gen. Her tone is everything. It can easily add so much more color to any song, yet Cube and Soyeon somehow manage to wash it out completely in almost every GIDLE title tracks. Honestly, Shuhua has stood out more and that's just sad.
Miyeons voice is very interesting but since they have two main vocalist minnie gets the highlights
Sm is just pushing winter so much to the point of somehow neglecting the other members talent and capability. She got so much screentime sometimes i can't help it but to think that they just used aespa as stepping stone for her career. If sm will still heavily push winter this year aespa will be like ive. Like wonyoung and the group it will be like Winter and the group. All the members has their own strength they should use it properly like the main lines of aespa was always the second choice despite being the main rapper and vocalists, sm favoritism is always noticable to all of their groups.
hahaha funny then y the fuck ningning didnt show her full talent in variety shows when each of them sang ?
@@argxoxo7326woow which show?
Lia sounds really good in weapon. She could devour when she's given less shouty line.
Blackpink? Mistreatment of Kim Jisoo is downright criminal. 🤬
Now i think NN is finally getting good treatment. She got plenty of moments to shine in Armageddon. Also same for Liz.
Since Liz has lost weight she has gotten TONS of praise from her fancams. I have no idea what starship wants at this point
truth be told, dreamcatcher has 7 incredible all-rounders and siyeon may not always be first place in line distributions, but she always manages to stand out with her magical and powerful voice, mainly because of the high notes and important lines she tends to get. it's practically impossible to imagine a dreamcatcher song without siyeon's voice and that consolidates her identity as a strong main vocalist in the k-pop industry
I feel bad for lia they don't give her the right song for her.
Miyeon needs more fcking lines. She has my favorite voice of the group, and my bias. Honestly, her parts in Nxde and Tomboy just slay the house down. I want more lines for Jihyo, bc she’s a god. Rosé’s voice in Hard to Love is just too good. My favorite voice in ITZY is Yeji, but Lia is a very close second. Her lower register is just perfect. Wendy is another god with Jihyo.
Then go to listen to Miyeon's solo she got an entire mini album for herself.
I’m glad people notice the unfair distribution with Miyeon because gidle stans HATE admitting it. They always say her voice doesn’t suit the song but how can they say that for every song 😂 I only got into kpop because of her voice as Ahri in kda
So true
Many say "her voice doesn't fit with G-idle's songs" like WTF??
Miyeon's voice fits really well with songs like Hann, Lion, OMG, Hwaa and Nxde 👌
can you please do a video on 2nd Gen kpop vocalist because I feel like they set the standard & foundation for today's vocalist...A great example is Park Bom from 2NE1, she has the most unique voice & still till today people recognize her voice, YG didn't want to sign her back then because he said it was a risk to debut her because there weren't many vocalists that sounded like her in market, but after Park Bom YG is now known for debuting vocalist with a unique distinct sound, please checkout 2nd Gen girl groups & analysis their vocals, especially 2NE1 & Park Bom. PS please also talk/cover about Male Kpop Vocalist & their vocal skills etc
Hey, I’d love you to make content about vocalists in Afro pop starting from Niniola!!! 😊