I used to have problems swooping and having the disc way too high in my swing but def tried my best to start my walk up by having the disc to the other extreme by having it at or below hip level and worked on the suitcase method by overthrow for setting up my arms for the throw. But if I may actually point out a big form point that could dramatically make a huge difference and probably fix the timing is to focus on your head position! You keep forcing your eyes to look at your target before throw is even out of your hands which in turn rotates your shoulders early, collapses the pocket, and denies you the hip to shoulder separation you need for both power and accuracy. It’s a point I’m still working on myself but I’ve already noticed so much of a difference
I kinda had the same problems, and still working on them. You can get an air bounce when reaching back too high and swooping. I think trying to emulate Kristian Kuoksa or Paul McBeth helps me. So like instead of holding the disc at shoulder height when you start, try holding the disc at hip height with your elbow rotated out away from your body and up above the disc, and grip the disc on the outside, almost toward the back of the disc a bit. I think it's ok for the wrist to unfurl a bit at peak coil ala Eagle, but it does have to curl back in naturally then. I try to have a swing plane that starts around my belly button and finishes around shoulder height, and adjust accordingly for low ceiling shots, uphill or downhill. Keep bombing!
Yea thats a great thought, I was mostly focusing on keeping the disc on the same plane throughout the entirety of walk up, x step and throw, but it might be helpful to start lower for sure
@@AndrewWoodDiscGolf Yeah I think it is definitely good and most efficient to try to keep the disc on the same plane from coil to release point. Just as long as the swing plane is not too high, if it's too high you won't get as much power from your larger core muscles. Also, some pros definitely have some elbow dip, but at release point the disc is traveling slightly upwards with the nose slightly down in relation to the launch angle. If you do the elbow dip/swoop and the trajectory of the disc is down towards the ground at the hit point, then the nose has to be up, otherwise the disc will go straight into the ground. With a downward trajectory and nose up, discs can actually act more understable. So I think the wrist opening up and elbow swoop often go hand-in-hand.
Of all the formwork I have done the best approach i learned that fits my game is copy Matt Orum's form exactly. The Spin doctor explains it well in a video and i have added distance/simplicity. I have tried for 2 years to develop power with a lower reachback but my body literally is unable to throw hard with traditional throw style.
Try shortening the reach back and concentrate on just coiling your shoulder. So many people think they need to actively reach back as far as they can which in turn can shift the body from the back foot to the front foot back to the back foot which leads you to overstretch your brace foot. Also, the swing plane should be low to high. It doesnt have to be real low. It can be just almost flat but needs atleast a touch of low to high.
I’ll definitely play around with that in the net. I’ve been really focused on keeping my reach back dead flat, so it’s interesting to hear there needs to be some low in there. Thanks for the tips!
Over exaggeration is the key to fixing a bad habit. Try over correcting by bringing your reach back down towards your hip. That will keep your elbow high and make it impossible to "swoop". Good luck out there.
great work and great reminder that having multiple angles is a great way to check on arm, footwork, etc!
Thanks man, for sure being able to see what you're actually doing from different perspectives is super helpful!
I used to have problems swooping and having the disc way too high in my swing but def tried my best to start my walk up by having the disc to the other extreme by having it at or below hip level and worked on the suitcase method by overthrow for setting up my arms for the throw. But if I may actually point out a big form point that could dramatically make a huge difference and probably fix the timing is to focus on your head position! You keep forcing your eyes to look at your target before throw is even out of your hands which in turn rotates your shoulders early, collapses the pocket, and denies you the hip to shoulder separation you need for both power and accuracy. It’s a point I’m still working on myself but I’ve already noticed so much of a difference
I kinda had the same problems, and still working on them. You can get an air bounce when reaching back too high and swooping. I think trying to emulate Kristian Kuoksa or Paul McBeth helps me. So like instead of holding the disc at shoulder height when you start, try holding the disc at hip height with your elbow rotated out away from your body and up above the disc, and grip the disc on the outside, almost toward the back of the disc a bit. I think it's ok for the wrist to unfurl a bit at peak coil ala Eagle, but it does have to curl back in naturally then. I try to have a swing plane that starts around my belly button and finishes around shoulder height, and adjust accordingly for low ceiling shots, uphill or downhill. Keep bombing!
Yea thats a great thought, I was mostly focusing on keeping the disc on the same plane throughout the entirety of walk up, x step and throw, but it might be helpful to start lower for sure
@@AndrewWoodDiscGolf Yeah I think it is definitely good and most efficient to try to keep the disc on the same plane from coil to release point. Just as long as the swing plane is not too high, if it's too high you won't get as much power from your larger core muscles. Also, some pros definitely have some elbow dip, but at release point the disc is traveling slightly upwards with the nose slightly down in relation to the launch angle. If you do the elbow dip/swoop and the trajectory of the disc is down towards the ground at the hit point, then the nose has to be up, otherwise the disc will go straight into the ground. With a downward trajectory and nose up, discs can actually act more understable. So I think the wrist opening up and elbow swoop often go hand-in-hand.
Of all the formwork I have done the best approach i learned that fits my game is copy Matt Orum's form exactly. The Spin doctor explains it well in a video and i have added distance/simplicity. I have tried for 2 years to develop power with a lower reachback but my body literally is unable to throw hard with traditional throw style.
Try shortening the reach back and concentrate on just coiling your shoulder. So many people think they need to actively reach back as far as they can which in turn can shift the body from the back foot to the front foot back to the back foot which leads you to overstretch your brace foot. Also, the swing plane should be low to high. It doesnt have to be real low. It can be just almost flat but needs atleast a touch of low to high.
I’ll definitely play around with that in the net. I’ve been really focused on keeping my reach back dead flat, so it’s interesting to hear there needs to be some low in there. Thanks for the tips!
Over exaggeration is the key to fixing a bad habit. Try over correcting by bringing your reach back down towards your hip. That will keep your elbow high and make it impossible to "swoop". Good luck out there.
Great tip, I’ll definitely give that a try! Thanks man
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