Testing Milan SL MK7
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- My short test ride with Milan SL MK7.
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Yes the SL is tight and it took a few weeks of tweaking to fit without rubbing - now feels like a wonderful fast glove!
You can get an optional "Safety Module" on top of the Milan to improve the lighting.
3:00 Hello @Saukki, there is a screw, that can adjust the NACA Duct Air intake.
I also want a Velomobili shop close to home ... so I try them all! :)
Marvellous machine, its look like small window in top is there for slow climbing when you open top and use it to see ahead.
- I replaced the cable holding the handlebars by Dyneema rope with a sliding nut. There's a little bit of flex in the Dyneema which makes it very comfortable; less road bumps can be felt when steering.
- Concerning your cleats: Have them adjusted by a bikefitter, and don't touch them afterwards. Moving them to the wrong position might give you room, but will lower your power output and might even cause you harm. I tested my Milan SL with ~130mm cranks. Feels like a children's bike but at least I can ride it with my size 50, hahaha. Stock is 155; I have 150mm in my GT.
- The system with the visor: Pull left, pull right, pull left, pull right ;)
- The little window in the hood is useful when in a heavy climb or when manoeuvering. It makes it possible to open the hood and still see a little bit right in front of you. Make sure you don't close the hood while the bars are still in the up position, as you might push out the window.
- The elastic bands that hold the hood down is annoying to start with, but you get used to it really quick.
- The steering on the Milan is veery relaxed, the most relaxed of all velomobiles. :-)
- I can't compare to the Alpha7, but the DF XL accelerates much easier than the Milan. On flat road, the Milan GT is faster once at speed.
Now we know that there is no GPS reception in Saukki's pocket...
@Saukki This fixed it for me: instagram.com/p/CJ9kmjaLmEa/
instagram.com/p/CKJaLjjL40h/
For me the window is too small.
I like to watch the country side right and left when I ride.
Today I still prefer my Azub Tricon 20.
French MULSANNE by JVFENIOUX has a big opening too.
Excellent video as always! I rode an earlier version of the Milan on the ROAM tour, and also thought it a bit tight. I'm a bit larger than you and don't think it would be good for longer rides. Mark who rode it on the tour, who is much closer to average size, seemed to be very happy with it. Evolution bikes is about 2300 miles from me, and currently is the only place I can test velos. Too bad you don't have a Katanga there, I would really like your opinion of it, since you're only nine cm shorter than me. I like the way it comes apart, for working on it.
I dont like WAW when I rode it 12 years ago. I also rode the Milan GT at 2011 ROAM as a test ride. I thought it was awesome.
You probably tried the Milan SL? >> I'm 1.94m and fit in the GT, although my knees are close (with 150mm cranks) and so is the headspace.
@@4nz-nl I tries Marcus from Germany Milan GT during ROAM 2011.
@@johnyang1420 Yes, I meant @Kirk Jones, sorry :-)
I’d love to do the ROAM in a velo, @Saukki, what do you think?
they need to be 2 - 3'' taller to allow a reasonable crank length like a 180 - 190mm , the front could taper down to more of a point aswel . I suspect they have guidelines on how pointy the front can be ,,unregulated you'd want it to taper to a fine point like a fighter jet
Hello sir,
I agree that short cranks may not fit to everyone. But I also have to remind you that you can’t directly compare upright bike crank lenght to recumbent crank lenght. The seating position and riding dynamics are completelly different. So the crank lenght you have on your upright bike might not be the most optimal for a recumbent. With recumbents you have to consider your knee angle and your hip angle. You don’t want your hip angle to get too small, it will feel uncomfortable. Also your knee angle should not be too small, it will hurt your knee. Shorter cranks will make your hip and knee angles larger. But too big angle (too short cranks) will have negative effect to your performance.
Making the velomobile higher to allow longer cranks might actually make no sense at all. By making the body taller, you increase the frontal area which means more drag. Also the taller body will be heavier, and so will be the long cranks as well. So by using longer cranks you might get some extra torque, but that’s probably all you get. The taller velomobile body will be less efficient, and long cranks might hurt your knees.
When using short cranks you can compensate the smaller torque by using smaller gears. Meaning you should optimize the gearing to your cranks. With shorter cranks your cadence tends to be higher, so that will compensate the slower speed of the smaller gearing.
To find the optimal recumbent crank lenght for you, try this calculator: www.recumbents.com/wisil/misc/crank_angle.asp
I’ve made a video about crank lengt earlier, explaining some of the things I’ve said here: th-cam.com/video/VBxNNH2XAZM/w-d-xo.html
Fighter jets have sharp and pointy nose because they can travel supersonic speeds. But with velomobile speeds it’s little bit diffeent. Sharp and pointy nose will probably be the most efficient type of nose in wind tunnel testing. But in real world the wind is hardly ever blowing directly to front of the velomobile (0°). If the airflow is even few degrees off to one side, there will be turbulence ”behind” the sharp nose which will cause a lot of drag. Also riding that kind of velomobile with sharp and pointy nose in strong side wind might be pain in the ass. The wind would probably push it all over the place. Blunt nose is more efficient in real world conditions and easier to control, when the wind is never blowing directly (0°) from the front.
Btw. Passenger airplanes don’t have sharp and pointy nose either 😉
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Thanks for such a detailed response you lads riding these recumbents are a good tech level always.
i built my open wheel trike to exploit the leg press type seating position with 170mm cranks for strong low end acceleration /road legal go kart 😂 i'd definitely compromise an inch or two shell height for full length cranks i rarely exceed 30mph (roads mostly 30mph limit ) , i'm 5ft7 + 50kg with uk 7 feet size , i could still have a reasonably small shell with 170's. my legs are fast but weak i need the crank length 😂. Crank length is like engine displacement its worth more then gearing advantage if you have skinny whippet legs / a big rpm range but low torque.
do a video where you set a 100meter sprint time literally nothing ever shows up in searches, i think a sub 15 sec should be possible. 👍🏻
And right at :42, the windshield is as clean as it will ever be again....just the way of the world! Same with airplanes. Great looking machine, love the low drag of it, beautiful. :50 in, "manhole"...do they make a women's version?
Isn't the small round hole to look through, if the cover is up and you are climbing a hill.. at 4mph... ?
Several of the components appear to be very flimsy. I wonder how well these will last in daily use?
My guess is it is minimalist to save weight. Things like rubber clips, foam, wire and velcro are easy and cheap to obtain an replace. Owners of these machines tend to be handy with diy so these should be no problem for most. Keep it simple.
type of 0 - 30mph time would you set ? I like racing mopeds on my roadie 700c bike , some struggle to hit 35 so i can stay out in front for like 250yrds -300yrds from a red light if its not mad head wind/ most dont know they're in a race so there's a phenomenon of them flooring it when they see a pedal bike going faster then them 😂 everyone does it even car drivers ive noticed .
Hi Saukki, i ride in my SL 170mm Crankarms, with Sidi Racingshoes size 45, but i have short legs. The hole ist for riding uphill with hood open.
Great review. Is it normal for velomobiles to have such short cranks? I’m running 175mm cranks on my road bike and wonder what it would feel like coming down to 145mm.
Recumbents and velomobiles both benefit from shorter cranks. It’s easier for your knee and you are probably able to output little bit more power, because the knee angle doesn’t get too sharp. Also with short cranks your knee doesn’t rise so high in front of you which improves aerodynamics on open frame recumbents and also improves the view to the front of the bike. On velomobiles shorter cranks gives you more space inside the body, so that your feets or knees doesn’t hit the body.
I’ve made a video explaining shorter cranks few years ago. You can find it on my channel.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Thank you! I'll look for your video on this.
On your first ride you might not even realise the cranks are so short. Somehow in the recumbent position it feels natural. I didn't know or realise I was riding 142 mm cranks on my first test ride. For both my velomobiles I got 155 mm cranks.
Hey Saukki - another great video! I have a question for you - what do you use for recording audio when you're in your velomobile? I'm really struggling to find a solution that has anything like usable quality. Thanks for any advice you can give on this, K.
Lavalier mic close to your mouth and a audio recorder with manual input level control. I use my phone as a recorder and app which has hardware based input gain control. (Voice record pro -app). You have to manually set the input level so that your voice doesn’t clip. And because the mic is close to the audio source - your mouth, the velomobile noise won’t be so loud.
Hi Saukki, an excellent piece once again! Have you been able to find the cause of the rubbing chain? - I am hearing a very similar noise when driving and have not found it yet.
No, I didn’t found the cause for that noise. I had only limited time with the SL, so I didn’t spent any time to figure it out.
@@TheVelomobileChannelI'm curious at the model but wondering if wheels can easy be serviced or need company to do, I mainly thought of like if bearings need changing
Carbon fibre blocks almost all radio signal.
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@@TheVelomobileChannel Is a Velomobile also a Faraday cage?
It’s Saukki’s new Stealth Voyager 😎
Thanks for the review! If you had to choose milan or alpha which would you choose! Oh and how tall are you?
I’m 176 cm. That’s tough choice. Both seems to be very fast, but practical enough. I got the feeling SL is more refined than the Alpha. Well it’s already 7th generation. So maybe that reason I would probably take SL instead of Alpha 🤔
I'd try both in your region, if you have the chance. If I was in hilly region, I'd go with the Alpha 7, but in windy flat areas it's SL without a doubt :)
saukki use spd clips not racing bike clips to big and get,s you feet higher then needed
You keep selling me on the quattrovelo
Muy interesante el vídeo , pero podrías incluir subtítulos ? , gracias .
they only test sl because they are not wide in shoulder party but no gt test wierd. reason im wide in shoulder wil not fit in small and need a wider opening i canot fit under ringof cover sl is normal size rider not the gt long riders
The Battle Mountain hood of the GT is equal to that of the SL. To get in, you simply pull your shoulders in and turn a bit. Once you're in, there's more space (in the GT, I have more than enough room. In the SL, I just touch the carbon on both sides).
@@4nz-nl i tried a few velomobile I get ok but don't fit under the ring miss aprox 1,5 cm+ and having 1 scoulder under ring of entry
@@johanneskoedood2235 That's weird. How tall are you? I'm close to 2m and know a number of cyclists >2m that fit. Only one that I couldn't get in my QV is 2.14m :-)
@@4nz-nl1,85 doing heavy work
lifting beer kegs 5 days a week on a beer filling plant on trucks that I unload at customers a normal person uses truck lift I don't need
@@johanneskoedood2235 I doubt you're a much bigger beast than the tallest guy I mentioned :-)
So a rider that is 187 cm cant buy milan sl mk7?
Probably not. But you can buy Milan GT MK7. It’s basically the same, but for taller riders.
It actually might just fit in a Mk7. But it's best to get a salesman to fit you into a Mk7 before you order. I know of a few riders that are at and even just over 190cm which ride in a Milan SL. Especially for shorter trips, it's not a bad idea - even with super tiny cranks the SL seems to be about 10% faster than my GT. If you fit comfortably, don't get a bike that's too big (unless you want to ride on the road with cars in NL, that is).
You absolutely need to use click shoes for any velomobile. You waste alot energy if you don't.
True!
Probably I'd classify it as a ladies bike. It is tiny.
LOL, I'm 6ft 2in at 176 pounds (184cm/78kg) and I fit in very well. You have to adjust it to your body individually, that's all.
I did more than 60 miles today at 30 mph (100kms/48kph) at a hr of 136, so not very hard. Bigger means slower.
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Milan SL just doesn't seem very user-friendly. The fact that you sat around wondering what everything does pretty much dooms this right away. I definitely wouldn't spend so much money buying one.
Says someone who never rode one? Thanks for this valuable input (from someone who owns two of them and does 1000kms per month on average). Laughable.
@@matteodiluce9387 Are you one of the people making this? Because I don't see how this is valuable to you otherwise.
@@loneIyboy15 No, I am not. I just love my Milan SLs and use them for commuting and racing.
@@matteodiluce9387 So you're just being angry. You got defensive on the internet because someone didn't like something you bought. Weird, but ok.
@@loneIyboy15 Defensive? Not at all, but people who judge things they have no idea about tick me off. Just go ride a few velomobiles and you'll see what I mean. They're great. And they make people happy. :)