NEW TextGrad by Stanford: Better than DSPy

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  • @dennisestenson7820
    @dennisestenson7820 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    This is a concept I'd been considering myself, but I never thought of it as autodifferentiated text. Fantastic that research is being done in this direction. I knew it'd be a good idea.

    • @Caellyan
      @Caellyan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I criticized this has to be done manually, but never thought of chaining 2 LLMs to achieve it. Though, it does make getting slightly better answers 3x more expensive.
      I guess it's useful for unsupervised learning though.

  • @matterhart
    @matterhart 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Thanks stanford, though I would have called it backpromptigation. ;)

  • @brandonheaton6197
    @brandonheaton6197 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Solid. I knew if the guy behind DSPy could build that, there was a better version imminent

  • @hoomansedghamiz2288
    @hoomansedghamiz2288 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Here's an unpopular opinion: could this be considered a misuse of the notation for auto-differentiation and backpropagation? For any graph to be differentiable, it must be acyclic-like a Directed Acyclic Graph (DAG), which is typical for neural networks. However, in the LLM sphere, we see pipelines incorporating cycles, such as the RAG where blocks are repeatedly cycled through, forming what might be described as Directed Cyclic Graphs (DCGs). While using PyTorch's clean and modular syntax is appealing, applying auto-differentiation in this context could be seen as a stretch (personal opinion).

  • @asadad5162
    @asadad5162 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, very informative. Textual Gradient is such a pretentious concept for me, but I do look forward to try TextGrad out. At least it is a systematic method to perform prompt optimization.....

  • @jmanhype1
    @jmanhype1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sounds like we need a middleware complexity assesor that can sit in the middle and auto reject if it doesnt meet that balance

  • @giladmorad4348
    @giladmorad4348 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for the video, it’s very insightful!
    I have 1 thought:
    1. Textgrad and DSPy can be combined. As DSPy is mostly based on ICL and this framework focuses more on signature optimization. Additionally, the researchers in Stanford mentioned that the combined prompt on one occasion improved the prompt by 1% and it should be further studied.

    • @matty-oz6yd
      @matty-oz6yd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      DSPy is ICL and prompt optimisation combined. I hope they add text grad in somehow though

    • @giladmorad4348
      @giladmorad4348 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@matty-oz6yd yea, good correction. I hope they add Textgrad in as an optimizer.

    • @hussainshaik4390
      @hussainshaik4390 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Their mipro v2 optmizes literally doing the same

  • @kenchang3456
    @kenchang3456 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video. I missed the boat with DSPy but it's good to know you can just go ahead with TextGrad.

  • @DannyGerst
    @DannyGerst 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You said that you used in on your tasks. Can you release part of that code in the wild? It would be really great to see a live example. That was the thing I found very challenging with DSPy. Only with the storm project I started understanding how it should work ;-)

    • @code4AI
      @code4AI  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Start with the four Jupyter Notebooks that I provided and you will see that you have immediately multiple new ideas for your specific tasks. I plan a new video on my insights, given my testing and maybe I have an idea how to optimize the TextGrad method further ....

  • @MindEmbedding
    @MindEmbedding หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for another great video! I like your presentation style. What kind of software do you use for your slides?

  • @mlcat
    @mlcat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    26:51 what does 0 demonstrations mean? No examples of good output, only original prompt?

  • @fingerstyleguitarjustingao729
    @fingerstyleguitarjustingao729 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video, hope for you more advanced explain and experience on TextGrad!

  • @whig01
    @whig01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems like one can prompt optimize for the same level system and never lack coherence.

  • @Anonymous-lw1zy
    @Anonymous-lw1zy หลายเดือนก่อน

    Superb explanation! Thank you!

  • @stephanembatchou5300
    @stephanembatchou5300 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very informative.
    Thanks

  • @artur50
    @artur50 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the links to colabs…

  • @GeoffLadwig
    @GeoffLadwig 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great! Thanks

  • @pensiveintrovert4318
    @pensiveintrovert4318 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How is this different from prompt tuning (not engineering)?

    • @code4AI
      @code4AI  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Explained in the video.

  • @spkgyk
    @spkgyk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video!
    But pseudo as in pseudo-code is pronounced like sudo (syuudo)
    Not smart enough to correct anything else in this video lmao, keep up the good work! Love the channel