It is absolutely worth it, had for a week now, love it. Not just for searing leads and basses, but alsoeverything from niche techno noises to beautiful ambient pads.
This video doesn’t do synplant any justice, he is focusing so much on why the genopatch monos the sound, when in reality every sound is mono and reverb is more than enough to put that sound in a room, plus mono sounds are always stronger in a mix, why are you focusing so much on the stereo recreation when this synth can do so much more? #AddReverbBruh
He mean that if you have some great stereo sounds, you find in some recording and try to clone that sounds, Synplant take that show, make mono and then the colen is NOTHING ALIKE that stereo sound. No reverb will fix that because monophonized sound will lose a lot of information from reference and then will not create proper sound. That's why it is great for mono or one shot droms but is totaly useless for modern stereo sounds. The only value is to create your own sounds by planting sound, but for cloning modern synth presets - useless.
@@mariodario9033 recreating modern modulated sounds from something like serum is pretty hard, even for AI, harder for synplant, experimentation for this type of sounds is key, i would only use it for basic sounds, and it has so far given me some amazing results. If i wanted to some stereo serum ass sound, i would just use a serum preset, tons of those out there.
I'm a huge Sonic Charge fan. Own all of their plugins. The additional features they've brought to Microtonic via the scripting tools they added are spectacular. They've got scripting now for Synplant 2, so I expect this product to go even farther than what it's already doing. Love Sonic Charge!
Am I missing something? Surely one would buy this to create new sounds that are similar to the original sample but not as close as possible(?) I want to own this specifically to get wildly different variations that are based on a theme.
THANK YOU! Yes, I was gonna make more or less the same comment, but in a much more snide and much less polite way. The appeal and magic of Synplant2 lies not in perfectly re-creating a sound you already possess (in which case, just use your original sound), but in taking that sound and altering it anywhere from “kinda similar” to “unrecognizably mangled.” Reviewer misses the point entirely.
@@davids.688should be a no brainer This perfectly answers the question that has been making me hesitant to continue music creation - if I have a couple sounds I love and I want to twist them up every now and then how can I do that?
Exactly! Its the perfect tool to create sounds /variations matching to the stuff you have in a track you are working on. If it would only output exact copies it wouldn't be very interesting. I am in the trial since yesterday and i already used it intensively to explore sound, sometimes i preferred the result over the source material.
An extremely interesting product and I'm thinking of getting it as a well deserved Christmas gift. Looks like something I will get lost into, if my recent experience with Serum tells me something 😅
So it doesn't create the exact clap sound - so what? It replicated 20 other sounds that could be creatively used and used the clap as a tangent from which to explore. I think it's a bit narrow minded to go into this generational thing looking for a 1:1 replication. Just use the sample then. You're supposed to use it as a tangent for exploration from a starting point. That said, if they added another 100 parameters/oscillators/mixing features I would imagine that the AI would have a lot more to work with, and it would make it a 10/10 synth and an instant buy. As it is, I don't really need it. Personally.
Isn't the point to create unique variations of the original sample? I mean, if you wanted to use the original, wouldn't you just use simpler or something like that?
I'm actually kind of surprised how much weight he put into it's ability to clone a sound. I feel like this synth has its roots (no pun intended) in being forward generative and creative. Not that I'm against recreating a sound, but I find it more rewarding to do so as a personal achievement. Sam is awesome at employing his education and experience when it comes to sound design analysis.
yeah seriously. this whole video was so bizarre to me lol. The point is not to recreate the og sample but to give you variations. complaining and looking for samples and judging it based on how close it gets to the OG was so strange to see him nitpick on.
@@NewMateo obviously respectful of anyone's opinion. And I'm in no position to say someone should or shouldn't use anything. But it's kind of a bummer that the review was so heavily slanted toward that in a way that might give someone a negative impression despite the really cool stuff it does. For instance, I think it's a godsend for if you want a theme across work that is related, but don't want to use the same exact sample. Or when you have pulled a sample from somewhere that you love, but don't want to just blatantly use that obvious Deadmau5 kick. And building sample libraries of related sounds with this is a breeze.
It matters because it's kind of a slanted review of a synth not being a good sampler. It's a creative instrument that has a feature that can produce variations of sounds based on tonal input, but it's not a fax or drum machine, and it's not supposed to play back a sample that one already has. So it's just kind of bad press for them to get a luke warm review because their non-sampler doesn't sample. Or that their variation generator is creating variations.
@BranRichards-ps2bd is it? Their website says "Sometimes, you will get a perfect match; other times, something new and unexpected. This balance of precision and unpredictability makes Genopatch a unique tool for sound exploration." It literally does not say "this software will precisely recreate any sound" because that would be..................a sampler. It's slogan is "sound design reimagined" not "splice one shots cloned" And it's totally fine to not find that feature useful, but a fair review should probably cover the chaotic and explorative strengths by which the synth started and stands by. Not just a newly added feature that doesn't do what it doesn't promise to do.
A simple trick with this plugin for stereo sounds is just use one instance, duplicate it and take a different point inside the genopatch (because all the generated sounds differ a little) and then combine them in Ableton (one on the right and one on the left side). I think this is kinda cool! :)
YES. Exactly. Or just pan it in the mix of the song and add reverb. Take any “real” instrument for example, they’re all mono by default. Then the room in which they’re played in adds reverb naturally and our ears pick it up as stereo.
no they aren't... a piano for instance is very 'stereo', a drum kit is not mono, a double bass, cello or acoustic guitar although narrow are really mono, do you make music or sound design? Mono sounds are useful when you want them, but often you don't@@dulusmusica
@@ethnicalbert i think there’s no such thing as “stereo” in real life, only in recordings, and that’s when doing certain type of recording methods, panning or post processing.
It took 15 years to make it on a shoestring budget, and now tons of people are buying version 2. I think it’s probably safe to assume that further updates to this will be sooner and bigger now that the dev has a hit. Even *if* version 2 were disappointing (which, personally, I don’t think it is at all) I think it’s actually totally worth supporting the dev based on potential alone.
i tested it decently. it is a cool plug to generate some new sounds starting from a dropped sample. It will never sound the same, simply because the only waveform synplant is generating it sounds from is FM synthesis. As we all know there are today a huge variation of wavetables people start creating it sounds from, synplant simply cannot do that. But it is a cool plugin, drag a cool sound and make cool variants with. The moment I will be really stunned is when you could drag a sound onto a serum and it recreates the sound correctly from scratch, together with all the usual parameters it has like lfo's etc. It will definitely come but it is still too early.
What I think this would be useful for is people who don’t have thousands of dollars to spend on libraries, you can find many cuts to recreate and make some unique things for yourself
i dont know why you care so much ab the mono thing lol its not a big deal my thing is the ui for seeing modulation is so horrid and I wish i could look at oscillators in a wave table editor besides that its pretty impressive
Exactly. Like he doesn’t understand the very basics of sound design… every sound starts from mono, just use 2 synplants with 2 slightly different genopatches of the same sample then pan them left and right. Or add chorus, reverb etc. and even if the sound created is pure mono just pan it in the mix of the song add some reverb and there you are. As stereo as stereo can be
@@INeedsMoneys i wouldnt say he doesnt understand the basic…. he has done alot of impressive stuff like the pursuit of happiness lead, hes just being picky/not focusing on what matters imo
u dont get it, he realise its the end of music. Why to make music, if everyone can make it with a sentense.Everyone want " easy " but if its easy its not rare, if everyone has Gold , Gold = 0 $
@@INeedsMoneys he can use Ableton's Simpler in Warp mode + Unison in order to have what he wants. And he already knows that. So, whytf is he wining for the inability of a subtractive synth to create an exact replica of a sample?
Thanks for the useful review. This would be a great educational tool for understanding how synthesis works through quick reverse engineering. Also, this could be used for stereo samples (but yes, too bad it's not built in). 1-split the sample into left and right channels and process them separately in the synth (Link the two channels & bus together to make a single stereo synth instance). 2-use the mono sample & use slightly different instances on different linked tracks. 3-use another plugin for stereo processing.
Great for create your own sounds by planting sound in main interface, but for cloning modern synth presets - useless because of reference is monophonized and cut 70% of signal, then the cloned preset is nothing like reference - useless.
I think it's important for people to recognise that this software has a fairly narrow set of use cases. If you don't expect it to do things it's not designed to do, you won't be disappointed. I doubt I would ever use this for drum sounds. If I want a clap, I'll find a clap sample :) I haven't bought it yet, but I already have a few ideas for ways to use it that I think will be ideally suited to the way it works. I suspect it's going to be most useful (for me anyway) when doing things like generating pad sounds from field samples and then blending those pads with the original sound in interesting ways. Obviously another major feature is the ability to try random new sounds based on existing ones, and I'm sure that will be inspiring for experimentalists.
yeah feel similar, i wait for a more complex synth with its feature. The envelopes and lfos cant do a lot, only fm modulation between the osc (and maybe a noise osc would be usefull?? yeah you can create noise with the oscs but a more dedicated one) , i would like the option to turn the reverb off, the filter need more complex options ...... but i think the more complex the synth engine the more complex to train the ai on it
Well, isn't it the purpose of this tool to not exactly recreate a sound that exists as a file laready? I mean.... or would you want it to show exactly what parameters to tweak in another synth to recreate that sound? So either sound design or forensics?
Too much complaining about stereo imaging when there are plenty of work arounds. I also find it weird how this guy makes a 15+ minute video on this product but doesn't have the decency to link the product in the description.
I don’t really do a whole lot of sound design, so this plugin is great for giving me a relative idea of which direction to take to get it. I don’t use it for that though, I use it for the potential different timbre I can provide me to add a little flavor and some ear candy in a track
very cool idea this plugin. the problem is, when i hear a song from an artist and think, "i'd love to recreat that bass sound out of that track", i do not have a one-shot sample of that bass sound, only the full mix of the track. I suppose synplant2 does not work with that?
If I got Synplant 2, I would use it along with RipX. RipX can separate the individual notes' sounds in a track. So in theory I think you could separate the notes with RipX, open Audacity, and record the note by clicking on it in RipX. Then import it into Synplant 2, and then you'd have a recreated sound that was originally in a fully mixed track.
Synplant with a four Wave table oscillator engine combined with a eight operator FM engine with an almost infinite amounts of LFO and mod matrix source and destinations with the ability to resample itself midway through the Genopatch sequencing x 2 for stereo is the version I would be interested in and that's at it's current price.
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It is absolutely worth it, had for a week now, love it. Not just for searing leads and basses, but alsoeverything from niche techno noises to beautiful ambient pads.
This video doesn’t do synplant any justice, he is focusing so much on why the genopatch monos the sound, when in reality every sound is mono and reverb is more than enough to put that sound in a room, plus mono sounds are always stronger in a mix, why are you focusing so much on the stereo recreation when this synth can do so much more?
#AddReverbBruh
Look how many sample packs this guy sells for Serum vs Synplant. Can't help but wonder how much bias that plays into this
He mean that if you have some great stereo sounds, you find in some recording and try to clone that sounds, Synplant take that show, make mono and then the colen is NOTHING ALIKE that stereo sound. No reverb will fix that because monophonized sound will lose a lot of information from reference and then will not create proper sound. That's why it is great for mono or one shot droms but is totaly useless for modern stereo sounds.
The only value is to create your own sounds by planting sound, but for cloning modern synth presets - useless.
@@mariodario9033 recreating modern modulated sounds from something like serum is pretty hard, even for AI, harder for synplant, experimentation for this type of sounds is key, i would only use it for basic sounds, and it has so far given me some amazing results. If i wanted to some stereo serum ass sound, i would just use a serum preset, tons of those out there.
Instant buy for me - having a lot of fun with it so far
I'm a huge Sonic Charge fan. Own all of their plugins. The additional features they've brought to Microtonic via the scripting tools they added are spectacular. They've got scripting now for Synplant 2, so I expect this product to go even farther than what it's already doing. Love Sonic Charge!
Am I missing something? Surely one would buy this to create new sounds that are similar to the original sample but not as close as possible(?) I want to own this specifically to get wildly different variations that are based on a theme.
right? I'm pretty sure its purpose is generating similar sounds
@@Jackson.W.Rose1138 It will also make original sounds. It has a random feature that comes up with all sorts of great sounds.
THANK YOU! Yes, I was gonna make more or less the same comment, but in a much more snide and much less polite way. The appeal and magic of Synplant2 lies not in perfectly re-creating a sound you already possess (in which case, just use your original sound), but in taking that sound and altering it anywhere from “kinda similar” to “unrecognizably mangled.” Reviewer misses the point entirely.
@@davids.688should be a no brainer
This perfectly answers the question that has been making me hesitant to continue music creation - if I have a couple sounds I love and I want to twist them up every now and then how can I do that?
Exactly! Its the perfect tool to create sounds /variations matching to the stuff you have in a track you are working on. If it would only output exact copies it wouldn't be very interesting. I am in the trial since yesterday and i already used it intensively to explore sound, sometimes i preferred the result over the source material.
I was waiting for this, thanks sam
Thank you for the review! I considered buying it, but with the mono/stereo problem, I'm out 😬
7:03 stereo capability in…v3?
An extremely interesting product and I'm thinking of getting it as a well deserved Christmas gift. Looks like something I will get lost into, if my recent experience with Serum tells me something 😅
is it possible to edit a single branch inside the dna?
So it doesn't create the exact clap sound - so what? It replicated 20 other sounds that could be creatively used and used the clap as a tangent from which to explore. I think it's a bit narrow minded to go into this generational thing looking for a 1:1 replication. Just use the sample then. You're supposed to use it as a tangent for exploration from a starting point. That said, if they added another 100 parameters/oscillators/mixing features I would imagine that the AI would have a lot more to work with, and it would make it a 10/10 synth and an instant buy. As it is, I don't really need it. Personally.
Well that was a depressing review.
Longestsoloever2 did a good one
Isn't the point to create unique variations of the original sample? I mean, if you wanted to use the original, wouldn't you just use simpler or something like that?
I'm actually kind of surprised how much weight he put into it's ability to clone a sound. I feel like this synth has its roots (no pun intended) in being forward generative and creative.
Not that I'm against recreating a sound, but I find it more rewarding to do so as a personal achievement.
Sam is awesome at employing his education and experience when it comes to sound design analysis.
yeah seriously. this whole video was so bizarre to me lol. The point is not to recreate the og sample but to give you variations. complaining and looking for samples and judging it based on how close it gets to the OG was so strange to see him nitpick on.
@@NewMateo obviously respectful of anyone's opinion. And I'm in no position to say someone should or shouldn't use anything. But it's kind of a bummer that the review was so heavily slanted toward that in a way that might give someone a negative impression despite the really cool stuff it does.
For instance, I think it's a godsend for if you want a theme across work that is related, but don't want to use the same exact sample.
Or when you have pulled a sample from somewhere that you love, but don't want to just blatantly use that obvious Deadmau5 kick.
And building sample libraries of related sounds with this is a breeze.
It matters because it's kind of a slanted review of a synth not being a good sampler. It's a creative instrument that has a feature that can produce variations of sounds based on tonal input, but it's not a fax or drum machine, and it's not supposed to play back a sample that one already has.
So it's just kind of bad press for them to get a luke warm review because their non-sampler doesn't sample. Or that their variation generator is creating variations.
@BranRichards-ps2bd is it? Their website says "Sometimes, you will get a perfect match; other times, something new and unexpected. This balance of precision and unpredictability makes Genopatch a unique tool for sound exploration."
It literally does not say "this software will precisely recreate any sound" because that would be..................a sampler.
It's slogan is "sound design reimagined" not "splice one shots cloned"
And it's totally fine to not find that feature useful, but a fair review should probably cover the chaotic and explorative strengths by which the synth started and stands by. Not just a newly added feature that doesn't do what it doesn't promise to do.
A simple trick with this plugin for stereo sounds is just use one instance, duplicate it and take a different point inside the genopatch (because all the generated sounds differ a little) and then combine them in Ableton (one on the right and one on the left side). I think this is kinda cool! :)
YES. Exactly. Or just pan it in the mix of the song and add reverb. Take any “real” instrument for example, they’re all mono by default. Then the room in which they’re played in adds reverb naturally and our ears pick it up as stereo.
But I ain't gonna pay 200 dollars jus to do tat 💀
@@INeedsMoneysfor real, real instruments in real life are all mono, i don’t know why this guy cares so much about stereo sounds😂😂
no they aren't... a piano for instance is very 'stereo', a drum kit is not mono, a double bass, cello or acoustic guitar although narrow are really mono, do you make music or sound design? Mono sounds are useful when you want them, but often you don't@@dulusmusica
@@ethnicalbert i think there’s no such thing as “stereo” in real life, only in recordings, and that’s when doing certain type of recording methods, panning or post processing.
It took 15 years to make it on a shoestring budget, and now tons of people are buying version 2.
I think it’s probably safe to assume that further updates to this will be sooner and bigger now that the dev has a hit.
Even *if* version 2 were disappointing (which, personally, I don’t think it is at all) I think it’s actually totally worth supporting the dev based on potential alone.
would love to see an actual recreation process in serum based on synplant analysis
YES.
That's what I was planning on using it for, but recreating it in vital rather than serum
i tested it decently. it is a cool plug to generate some new sounds starting from a dropped sample. It will never sound the same, simply because the only waveform synplant is generating it sounds from is FM synthesis. As we all know there are today a huge variation of wavetables people start creating it sounds from, synplant simply cannot do that. But it is a cool plugin, drag a cool sound and make cool variants with. The moment I will be really stunned is when you could drag a sound onto a serum and it recreates the sound correctly from scratch, together with all the usual parameters it has like lfo's etc. It will definitely come but it is still too early.
What I think this would be useful for is people who don’t have thousands of dollars to spend on libraries, you can find many cuts to recreate and make some unique things for yourself
i dont know why you care so much ab the mono thing lol its not a big deal my thing is the ui for seeing modulation is so horrid and I wish i could look at oscillators in a wave table editor besides that its pretty impressive
Exactly. Like he doesn’t understand the very basics of sound design… every sound starts from mono, just use 2 synplants with 2 slightly different genopatches of the same sample then pan them left and right. Or add chorus, reverb etc. and even if the sound created is pure mono just pan it in the mix of the song add some reverb and there you are. As stereo as stereo can be
@@INeedsMoneys i wouldnt say he doesnt understand the basic…. he has done alot of impressive stuff like the pursuit of happiness lead, hes just being picky/not focusing on what matters imo
u dont get it, he realise its the end of music. Why to make music, if everyone can make it with a sentense.Everyone want " easy " but if its easy its not rare, if everyone has Gold , Gold = 0 $
@@INeedsMoneys he can use Ableton's Simpler in Warp mode + Unison in order to have what he wants.
And he already knows that.
So, whytf is he wining for the inability of a subtractive synth to create an exact replica of a sample?
@@lartisan6274 beautifully spoken
Why everyone showing this starts with a bass sound 🤦♂️
The only limitation of this groundbreaking synthesiser is your own imagination.
Interesting concept.. But pass.
Thanks for the useful review. This would be a great educational tool for understanding how synthesis works through quick reverse engineering. Also, this could be used for stereo samples (but yes, too bad it's not built in). 1-split the sample into left and right channels and process them separately in the synth (Link the two channels & bus together to make a single stereo synth instance). 2-use the mono sample & use slightly different instances on different linked tracks. 3-use another plugin for stereo processing.
Great for create your own sounds by planting sound in main interface, but for cloning modern synth presets - useless because of reference is monophonized and cut 70% of signal, then the cloned preset is nothing like reference - useless.
I think it's important for people to recognise that this software has a fairly narrow set of use cases. If you don't expect it to do things it's not designed to do, you won't be disappointed. I doubt I would ever use this for drum sounds. If I want a clap, I'll find a clap sample :)
I haven't bought it yet, but I already have a few ideas for ways to use it that I think will be ideally suited to the way it works. I suspect it's going to be most useful (for me anyway) when doing things like generating pad sounds from field samples and then blending those pads with the original sound in interesting ways. Obviously another major feature is the ability to try random new sounds based on existing ones, and I'm sure that will be inspiring for experimentalists.
5:19 so you can create a whole sound pack of 808 sub kicks from a single kick??!? Then round robin them??!? Oh, that’s a MUST HAVE!
yeah feel similar, i wait for a more complex synth with its feature. The envelopes and lfos cant do a lot, only fm modulation between the osc (and maybe a noise osc would be usefull?? yeah you can create noise with the oscs but a more dedicated one) , i would like the option to turn the reverb off, the filter need more complex options ...... but i think the more complex the synth engine the more complex to train the ai on it
Well, isn't it the purpose of this tool to not exactly recreate a sound that exists as a file laready? I mean.... or would you want it to show exactly what parameters to tweak in another synth to recreate that sound? So either sound design or forensics?
Too much complaining about stereo imaging when there are plenty of work arounds. I also find it weird how this guy makes a 15+ minute video on this product but doesn't have the decency to link the product in the description.
Because this produce sort of destroys his business of create sound recreating videos duhhh
I have seen more interesting sound design on other videos of Synplant 2, probably you need to choose apropiate sounds in the first place 🤔
Yes, it's overrated.
I don’t really do a whole lot of sound design, so this plugin is great for giving me a relative idea of which direction to take to get it.
I don’t use it for that though, I use it for the potential different timbre I can provide me to add a little flavor and some ear candy in a track
Is the 'Drag & Drop' feature onky available on the full version of it? I currently have the trial version and it doesn't allow me to drag and drop.
Could you make a video with the sounds from You and I by HotLap and SHELLS?
very cool idea this plugin. the problem is, when i hear a song from an artist and think, "i'd love to recreat that bass sound out of that track", i do not have a one-shot sample of that bass sound, only the full mix of the track. I suppose synplant2 does not work with that?
Luckily there’s a bunch of ai out there that does stem separation
FL Studio has stem separation now too.
If I got Synplant 2, I would use it along with RipX. RipX can separate the individual notes' sounds in a track. So in theory I think you could separate the notes with RipX, open Audacity, and record the note by clicking on it in RipX. Then import it into Synplant 2, and then you'd have a recreated sound that was originally in a fully mixed track.
any free option other than ripx@@unsightedmetal6857
The applications for the sample feature is endless
great info thanks
well something must be wrong all the sounds sound almost the same...
the point is afterwards you can then adjust the sound parameters from the inside as it is now synthesised. It is no longer just sampled
Synplant with a four Wave table oscillator engine combined with a eight operator FM engine with an almost infinite amounts of LFO and mod matrix source and destinations with the ability to resample itself midway through the Genopatch sequencing x 2 for stereo is the version I would be interested in and that's at it's current price.
Thanks for this mate and for the honesty
Its not honesty, its stupidity