I flew hang gliders for ten years, and thoroughly enjoyed it. So much fun for so little expenditure! I already had a PPL but flying a hang glider is more like being superman! I am eternally grateful to the pioneers.
Ever grateful to the pioneers who birthed us hang gliders.. some of the best years of my life.. ('81-'86) Palm Desert, Elsinore, Owens Valley, Hawaii (Makapu), Innsbruck, Monte Carlo, and many other sites lost in the dustbin of my failing memory..
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Just noticed Garry Court's name, he virtually started the ultralight movement in Victoria, Australia around 1976 when he put an ad in a newspaper and from that formed the minimum aircraft association, I was conscripted as editor of the newsletter 'featherlight flyer' for a couple of years - although the basic design was by Francis Rogallo, a NASA scientist and was intended for spacecraft re entry recovery the first public de.monsration was around this time in Australia at the Jacaranda festival in, Cootamundra ( of the top of my head) and we had water skiers towed behind boats using kites in the early 60s in Mildura and elsewhere ( one landed in a tree and .made the front page of ghe local paper) And greetings to Gary , long time no see.
Hello Ken, Really enjoying this one in particular for Barry's true pioneering work with a Rogallo....if only he had a control bar! Can you imagine the musclepower required to respond and initiate moves. Great job in putting all this delightful history out for us to enjoy. Thank you, Garry
Gary! I am so excited to hear from you. I have emailed you several times over the years to say thanks for what you sent me so long ago and to return the favor. Please email me at WeFlyUniv@aol.com so I have your current email. I am spending evry spare minute uploading my huge collection. Every day is exciting!!
@@aimandjulian3195 These are amazing flights. Hanging by the armpits and effecting control by swinging legs always seems sketchy but is used with pretty good success by Palmer. The greatest such flights in terms of descent, duration, and complex maneuvering I have seen are here. th-cam.com/video/U2bKzwzVRro/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i6Eih-aUri4tgkbl&t=315
Bill Bennet told me a story once that he got a call from a guy who had bought one of his standard gliders and was having trouble launching it. Bill asked the guy to describe the problem and the guy said that he was "having a lot of trouble getting the scoops to fill up"!
I knew Richard Miller. He came along shortly after Palmer. Miller was really different, he was very out of step with society. He was homeless for a while. Brilliant guy.
thanks ken. this is great. he really started getting wired into the black tarp model there towards the end 🙂barry and also richard miller were milestones in the sport i.m.h.o....john sillero
Palmer's work was amazing but existed in almost complete isolation. His was an inspired project and required commitment and great athleticism. Had he not had the foresight to film there would have been no trace of what he did. Unlike Pelzner and Chardon he never sought to fly higher or longer than what is seen in these films. Like all that proceeded his, his approach lacked a reliable control system. He envisioned a seat arrangement but abandoned that effort before making it work.
Incredibly brave work Like most aeronautical pioneers. Quite interesting to see given the materials available to him at that time. No one could mistake the prototype for not looking like a modern hand glider.
It is the bi-conical shape that distinguishes it visually as "modern". Previous to that everything was a variation of a tailed b-plane or mono-plane configuration. The Lavezzari in 1904 was the forerunner of the bi-conical but NASA publicity of their bi-conical experiments around 62/63 rekindled public awareness and experimenting by the likes of Palmer.
Gliders with glide angles no better than this one were the first hang gliders to fly from Dante's View, Pikes Peak, My Fuji, The Zugspitze, The Grand Canyon, Mt Cook, Mission Peak, Torrey Pines, Cone Peak, Haleakala, Makapuu, La Cumbre, Mt Blanc, and many others. Don't underestimate "bricks". With that glide angle and some airmenship you can do wonders!
@@effinog The early gliders are often dimissed as inadequate, dangerous, or possessing insufficient performance. All that is true to some extent but also true but often left out is how much was achieved. Palmer's design barely suffices. He had to not only hang on but was always fighting to not slide down the steeply angled parallel tubes. He had no example to watch and only his mental image of what he thought possible, to drive him on. It is rare to achieve so much without first seeing it done by someone else.
I learned to flew hang glider in 1989 and assumed, that this was a fresh and new form of Flying developed due to the 70ths. But cool to learn here, that the first comparable pioneer flights happend nearly 15 years earlier and due to my year of birth.
Likes are nice but require no more than a button push. A much more meaningful way to express your approval is to describe what you are thinking and feeling when you watch it. It also increases your enjoyment by converting feelings to language. Try it! Everyone will appreciate it.
I first flew a hang glider at 16 in 1977. Took off and pushed the wrong way and flew into the hillside breaking my right arm two weeks before my O'levels.
@@AnthonyHigham6414001080 I'm sorry to hear of your hang gliding mishap. My occupation and main source of self-worth for 25 years was teaching hang gliding so I sympathize with your sad result. But you teach and should get good reward guiding others and you get to fly. Not too bad! The world looks pretty good from above, eh? And there is little to compare with the excitement and gratitude of a new flyer!
@ Absolutely and thank you. I've always thought learning to fly is one of the most rewarding things you can do in this life. Nobody ever forgets their first solo flight.
Very high mortality rate was the result. Those were bamboo poles tied together and covered with polythene sheets which tore. At a few metres you broke your legs, above 10m you broke your back or died. Somebody had to step in to save families, and the health service. Improved equipment and training has made things a lot, lot safer, but still people can fly into trees or each other.
Interestingly, off the beach sailing was immensely popular at this time and relatively cheap, yet there is not one iota of like minded engineering of the two sports being combined here. Two battened yacht sails on either side of the central line would have been an interesting trial, as this is where hang gliders eventually headed. A yacht sail is a vertical wing.
Palmer was the first to fabricate a bi-conical hang glider and fly it. And as the film shows he flew the shit out of it. It was an amazing feat of resourceful home-design and engineering and an enormous act of physical strength, great courage, and tenacity. He did this in almost complete isolation, so without any praise, admiration, encouragement, or input. What he did is noteworthy, not what he didn't do.
Interesting that Barry Palmer's flights started a few years before John DIckenson's (tow-launched) "first ever hang glider invention" in Australia in 1967. I guess international comms were much more primitive then - so both could have been independent (but inspired by Rogallo)..
They both built and flew their first wings within just a few months of each other. It was the Dickenson Glider that was the template for nearly all of the viral explosion that created the hang glider movement. Palmer operated in self-imposed secrecy and so inspired no one. Dickenson was featured prominently in the news, flew regularly in public view, and immediately attracted others. Palmer's glider was never a template and no one seeing both designs would have had a moments indecision as to which was a fully controllable and convenient aircraft. Rogallo famously experimented with and was himself inspired by designs created by others like Lavezzari, Wanner, Bach, Allison, Lee & Darah. None of his patents resulted in a useful aircraft.
It was light years ahead in terms of construction simplicity, assembly, and repairability. It is unclear to me if Palmer had better control than Lilienthal. Materials like bamboo and doped fabric have been available throughout much of civilization. As far back as the Egyptians, anyone could have conceived of and built Palmer's design or Dickenson's. The pivital breakthrough came in the Dickenson Glider. The total package of simplicity and a control system provided a massive leap in fine control not available in any previous design.
@@WeFlyUniv I was referring to the ability to make controlled turns. This Palmer glider was likely more pitch-stable and probably had better glide ratio, but his hang system was apparently comparable to Lilienthal's inability to control roll and yaw. I'm sure it is simpler to make and maintain, although I doubt Lilienthal had much trouble cutting new spruce or pine spars or sewing sail repairs. The Palmer glider was likely stronger, more air-worthy. Lilienthal didn't know what he was doing in aerodynamics and control, so it's pretty strange so see Palmer struggling with turning in the 1960s, comparable to Lilienthal. Palmer needed an advisor like Wilbur Wright to help him design a good roll and yaw control system.
@@charliedoyle7824 When a good idea is born, like the paperclip, it is often seen as obvious and even inevitable. So many designers in the 70 years preceding Dickenson failed to discover a reliable control system. Palmer was a talented engineer with some aviation background that might have directed his design approach. But like scores of others who tried to develop the bi-conical shape popularized by NASA publicity, he failed to discover a suitable control system. The pendulum weight-shift control system seems obvious and simple but it remained hidden until Dickenson saw it and then developed it.
@@WeFlyUniv I agree. That's why I said he needed a Wilbur Wright, or Dickenson. A good mechanical engineer who would spend all his time working on a better control design. That's what Wilbur did, and why he ended up a decade ahead of everybody else. He knew immediately that Lilienthal's wing lacked control, and he would have to spend all his time working on that, not just running off the hill over and over. Wilbur was a big fan of Lilienthal, but he wondered why the guy just kept flying a similar wing, for seven years, without iterating control mechanisms.
@@charliedoyle7824 Yes. But ideas can take a long time to evolve. The Europeans had a woefully incomplete view of control and were astonished when they saw Wilbur's first flights at Rheims. All their airplanes just skidded around the turns and they believed in "automatic stability". They sought control but did not grasp it in 3 axes the way the Wrights did. Lots of capable engineers could have helped Palmer and Lilienthal and still fail to discover what we now understand clearly with the benefit of hindsight was needed. How many engineers (probably hundreds) in the 70 years before Dickenson, tackled the control problem and failed? Some people suggest that Musk has in effect simply hired clever engineers to achieve his many tech marvels. Ideas are almost always born in the minds of individuals and sheparded to fruition by the single-mindedness of the same individual.
In "SST: Death Flight (Adventure) ABC Made-for-Television Movie - 1977" an explosion takes out flight controls and the pilot directs rows of passengers to move around the cabin to control pitch and banking. That was pretty fine, but not as fine as Barry! th-cam.com/video/LzaO668A-Pw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lMOxBkaa5cwvD-Vo
I flew hang gliders for ten years, and thoroughly enjoyed it. So much fun for so little expenditure! I already had a PPL but flying a hang glider is more like being superman! I am eternally grateful to the pioneers.
Ever grateful to the pioneers who birthed us hang gliders.. some of the best years of my life.. ('81-'86) Palm Desert, Elsinore, Owens Valley, Hawaii (Makapu), Innsbruck, Monte Carlo, and many other sites lost in the dustbin of my failing memory..
My brother grew up with a guy named Dick Eipper, and as a kid, I used to watch him fly off the sand cliffs of Torrance beach and Palos Verdes.
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Eipper is a famous name in hang gliding circles.
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I met Dick a few times, one of the pioneers of the sport.
@@jamesgoddard2321 🔴 What Is Islam?
🔴 Islam is not just another religion.
🔵 It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham.
🔴 Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God.
🔵 It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone.
🔴 It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine.
🌍 The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
📖 { “Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.”} (Quran 112:1-4) 📚
🔴 Becoming a Muslim is not turning your back to Jesus.
🔵 Rather it’s going back to the original teachings of Jesus and obeying him.
Just noticed Garry Court's name, he virtually started the ultralight movement in Victoria, Australia around 1976 when he put an ad in a newspaper and from that formed the minimum aircraft association, I was conscripted as editor of the newsletter 'featherlight flyer' for a couple of years - although the basic design was by Francis Rogallo, a NASA scientist and was intended for spacecraft re entry recovery the first public de.monsration was around this time in Australia at the Jacaranda festival in, Cootamundra ( of the top of my head) and we had water skiers towed behind boats using kites in the early 60s in Mildura and elsewhere ( one landed in a tree and .made the front page of ghe local paper)
And greetings to Gary , long time no see.
❤amazing
Hello Ken, Really enjoying this one in particular for Barry's true pioneering work with a Rogallo....if only he had a control bar! Can you imagine the musclepower required to respond and initiate moves. Great job in putting all this delightful history out for us to enjoy. Thank you, Garry
Gary! I am so excited to hear from you. I have emailed you several times over the years to say thanks for what you sent me so long ago and to return the favor. Please email me at WeFlyUniv@aol.com so I have your current email. I am spending evry spare minute uploading my huge collection. Every day is exciting!!
that thing flies great
@@aimandjulian3195 These are amazing flights. Hanging by the armpits and effecting control by swinging legs always seems sketchy but is used with pretty good success by Palmer. The greatest such flights in terms of descent, duration, and complex maneuvering I have seen are here. th-cam.com/video/U2bKzwzVRro/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i6Eih-aUri4tgkbl&t=315
That was a nice little flight I like how he can move his body forward or back right by the center of CG
Bill Bennet told me a story once that he got a call from a guy who had bought one of his standard gliders and was having trouble launching it. Bill asked the guy to describe the problem and the guy said that he was "having a lot of trouble getting the scoops to fill up"!
That's funny because that's how a paraglider flies.
I knew Richard Miller. He came along shortly after Palmer. Miller was really different, he was very out of step with society. He was homeless for a while. Brilliant guy.
I bet this Man slept well at night ! Wonderful !♥️😉🙃😎 NZ
thanks ken. this is great. he really started getting wired into the black tarp model there towards the end 🙂barry and also richard miller were milestones in the sport i.m.h.o....john sillero
Palmer's work was amazing but existed in almost complete isolation. His was an inspired project and required commitment and great athleticism. Had he not had the foresight to film there would have been no trace of what he did. Unlike Pelzner and Chardon he never sought to fly higher or longer than what is seen in these films. Like all that proceeded his, his approach lacked a reliable control system. He envisioned a seat arrangement but abandoned that effort before making it work.
Incredibly brave work Like most aeronautical pioneers. Quite interesting to see given the materials available to him at that time. No one could mistake the prototype for not looking like a modern hand glider.
It is the bi-conical shape that distinguishes it visually as "modern". Previous to that everything was a variation of a tailed b-plane or mono-plane configuration. The Lavezzari in 1904 was the forerunner of the bi-conical but NASA publicity of their bi-conical experiments around 62/63 rekindled public awareness and experimenting by the likes of Palmer.
Seems to fly better than my Hiway Standard Rogallo from 1977!
Glide angle of a brick! Love it. Not bad for a nil wind day.
Gliders with glide angles no better than this one were the first hang gliders to fly from Dante's View, Pikes Peak, My Fuji, The Zugspitze, The Grand Canyon, Mt Cook, Mission Peak, Torrey Pines, Cone Peak, Haleakala, Makapuu, La Cumbre, Mt Blanc, and many others. Don't underestimate "bricks". With that glide angle and some airmenship you can do wonders!
@@WeFlyUniv Yes indeed. It wasn't intended as a criticism.
@@effinog The early gliders are often dimissed as inadequate, dangerous, or possessing insufficient performance. All that is true to some extent but also true but often left out is how much was achieved. Palmer's design barely suffices. He had to not only hang on but was always fighting to not slide down the steeply angled parallel tubes. He had no example to watch and only his mental image of what he thought possible, to drive him on. It is rare to achieve so much without first seeing it done by someone else.
Ahead of his time,,, He built a Topliss wing!
Ghanés to Mr. Barra…I am flying today thanks to pionners,
I learned to flew hang glider in 1989 and assumed, that this was a fresh and new form of Flying developed due to the 70ths. But cool to learn here, that the first comparable pioneer flights happend nearly 15 years earlier and due to my year of birth.
wish i cn give more likes .
Likes are nice but require no more than a button push. A much more meaningful way to express your approval is to describe what you are thinking and feeling when you watch it. It also increases your enjoyment by converting feelings to language. Try it! Everyone will appreciate it.
Barry Palmer: Monstruo del hang gliding!
I first flew a hang glider at 16 in 1977. Took off and pushed the wrong way and flew into the hillside breaking my right arm two weeks before my O'levels.
Did you ever return to hang gliding?
@@WeFlyUniv No, I got my pilots licence in 1983 and became an instructor. I took up hang gliding and paramotoring for fun though.
@@AnthonyHigham6414001080 I'm sorry to hear of your hang gliding mishap. My occupation and main source of self-worth for 25 years was teaching hang gliding so I sympathize with your sad result. But you teach and should get good reward guiding others and you get to fly. Not too bad! The world looks pretty good from above, eh? And there is little to compare with the excitement and gratitude of a new flyer!
@ Absolutely and thank you. I've always thought learning to fly is one of the most rewarding things you can do in this life.
Nobody ever forgets their first solo flight.
I flew bamboo and visqyeen gliders, even with hang bar padding my arms would become bruised. Control was more of a suggestion than it was effecgive.
That would have been the “Bamboo Butterfly”.
@michaelbrown8619 Shin Skinner 2000
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I sure remember my first three flights on a standard. Plastic swing seat.
Mighty cool stuff indeed :) .
I wonder how much the flapping of the wing's trailing edges was degrading the glider's efficiency.
Back in the days when it was fun! Not clogged with rules and regulations to strangle any smiles!
Very high mortality rate was the result. Those were bamboo poles tied together and covered with polythene sheets which tore. At a few metres you broke your legs, above 10m you broke your back or died. Somebody had to step in to save families, and the health service. Improved equipment and training has made things a lot, lot safer, but still people can fly into trees or each other.
Must have been how Lilenthal did it and felt. Richard Miller showed photos of this in his book 'without visjble means of support' magical.
What are we watching? It looks significant.
That is a great question. Could you first tell the rest of us what you see? Are you able to describe what you think you know about this film?
Interestingly, off the beach sailing was immensely popular at this time and relatively cheap, yet there is not one iota of like minded engineering of the two sports being combined here. Two battened yacht sails on either side of the central line would have been an interesting trial, as this is where hang gliders eventually headed. A yacht sail is a vertical wing.
Palmer was the first to fabricate a bi-conical hang glider and fly it. And as the film shows he flew the shit out of it. It was an amazing feat of resourceful home-design and engineering and an enormous act of physical strength, great courage, and tenacity. He did this in almost complete isolation, so without any praise, admiration, encouragement, or input. What he did is noteworthy, not what he didn't do.
Interesting that Barry Palmer's flights started a few years before John DIckenson's (tow-launched) "first ever hang glider invention" in Australia in 1967. I guess international comms were much more primitive then - so both could have been independent (but inspired by Rogallo)..
They both built and flew their first wings within just a few months of each other. It was the Dickenson Glider that was the template for nearly all of the viral explosion that created the hang glider movement. Palmer operated in self-imposed secrecy and so inspired no one. Dickenson was featured prominently in the news, flew regularly in public view, and immediately attracted others. Palmer's glider was never a template and no one seeing both designs would have had a moments indecision as to which was a fully controllable and convenient aircraft. Rogallo famously experimented with and was himself inspired by designs created by others like Lavezzari, Wanner, Bach, Allison, Lee & Darah. None of his patents resulted in a useful aircraft.
Очень смешно когда летит и дрыгает ногами 😂
neato. i did some homebrew kites a few times...flew a bit, not as nice as that.
This is only slightly more advanced than the Otto Lilienthal gliders of the 1890s.
It was light years ahead in terms of construction simplicity, assembly, and repairability. It is unclear to me if Palmer had better control than Lilienthal. Materials like bamboo and doped fabric have been available throughout much of civilization. As far back as the Egyptians, anyone could have conceived of and built Palmer's design or Dickenson's. The pivital breakthrough came in the Dickenson Glider. The total package of simplicity and a control system provided a massive leap in fine control not available in any previous design.
@@WeFlyUniv I was referring to the ability to make controlled turns. This Palmer glider was likely more pitch-stable and probably had better glide ratio, but his hang system was apparently comparable to Lilienthal's inability to control roll and yaw. I'm sure it is simpler to make and maintain, although I doubt Lilienthal had much trouble cutting new spruce or pine spars or sewing sail repairs. The Palmer glider was likely stronger, more air-worthy.
Lilienthal didn't know what he was doing in aerodynamics and control, so it's pretty strange so see Palmer struggling with turning in the 1960s, comparable to Lilienthal. Palmer needed an advisor like Wilbur Wright to help him design a good roll and yaw control system.
@@charliedoyle7824 When a good idea is born, like the paperclip, it is often seen as obvious and even inevitable. So many designers in the 70 years preceding Dickenson failed to discover a reliable control system. Palmer was a talented engineer with some aviation background that might have directed his design approach. But like scores of others who tried to develop the bi-conical shape popularized by NASA publicity, he failed to discover a suitable control system. The pendulum weight-shift control system seems obvious and simple but it remained hidden until Dickenson saw it and then developed it.
@@WeFlyUniv I agree. That's why I said he needed a Wilbur Wright, or Dickenson. A good mechanical engineer who would spend all his time working on a better control design. That's what Wilbur did, and why he ended up a decade ahead of everybody else. He knew immediately that Lilienthal's wing lacked control, and he would have to spend all his time working on that, not just running off the hill over and over. Wilbur was a big fan of Lilienthal, but he wondered why the guy just kept flying a similar wing, for seven years, without iterating control mechanisms.
@@charliedoyle7824 Yes. But ideas can take a long time to evolve. The Europeans had a woefully incomplete view of control and were astonished when they saw Wilbur's first flights at Rheims. All their airplanes just skidded around the turns and they believed in "automatic stability". They sought control but did not grasp it in 3 axes the way the Wrights did. Lots of capable engineers could have helped Palmer and Lilienthal and still fail to discover what we now understand clearly with the benefit of hindsight was needed. How many engineers (probably hundreds) in the 70 years before Dickenson, tackled the control problem and failed? Some people suggest that Musk has in effect simply hired clever engineers to achieve his many tech marvels. Ideas are almost always born in the minds of individuals and sheparded to fruition by the single-mindedness of the same individual.
Otto Lilienthal bis :)
I thought this was a palastinian making a move on Humanity at the Rock Festival.
Weight shift at its finest 😂
In "SST: Death Flight (Adventure) ABC Made-for-Television Movie - 1977" an explosion takes out flight controls and the pilot directs rows of passengers to move around the cabin to control pitch and banking. That was pretty fine, but not as fine as Barry! th-cam.com/video/LzaO668A-Pw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lMOxBkaa5cwvD-Vo
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