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In this video I explained a super strong new jungle path for season 14.
TL;DR:
if you want to fight lv2, or shut down a farming jungler: start raptors, then walk to the enemy blue buff, and either take blue then gromp, or fight the enemy jungler on their gromp and steal it.
I hope I was able to teach you something! Please give me feedback in the comments :) - เกม
This is one of the smartest and easiest ways to win a game I ever remember, good job.
2:25 If you don't take wolves and meet him at chickens you and lee sin are lv 2, both full life, if for some reason your mid doesn't invade with you after shoving (very probable in low elo), you lost all your advantage, you have to contest chickens or go back into your jungle wasting time. I think that full clear like you did is the optimal solution
Yeah I agree, if you can steal 2 camps then clear all of yours, you'll be like 36cs to 16! (Not including crabs)
Saw a chall viego do this to me in a recent game, and finally i get an indepth explanation of why it works so well
I'm glad I could help explain it!
Very good explanations, thank you so much for this type of videos.
Thanks bro, I'm glad the video was valuable for you! More coming soon :)
Our clear is 3-4 minutes tho? I mean we may be wining lane by doing this but like it seems short term and can be countered by simply warding the camp you aren’t on. I mean it looks like it might possibly work but I’m not exactly sure of when it does work it should.
This was great!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Hi. I just discovered your channel and suscribed. You are chill and your audio and modulation are on point (and I am not a native speaker)
Do you only play graves? Can I take this strategy and play it successfully with other junglers? I am new to the jingle role and I am playing Lillia and sometimes Diana
Hello! I'm glad you like my videos :)
This path is good on lots of champs, they just need to be able to clear raptors fast, and be able to win a lv2 1v1 fight against the enemy jg.
@@Hubris_LOL that means none of my champs can do it haha ty for replying!
i already gained 2 ranks from watching your videos :)
That's awesome!
your guides help me so much! keep cooking good sir
Ayy I'm glad! More content coming soon!
as a master fid otp i always expect lv1/2 invade. So i always start opposite top side, ward bottom buff. if enemy invades, I can invade their top side or contest with the upperhand in vision. it mostly depends if my bottom support is smart enough to peel back or brain dead.
ps: the actual op strat is the reverse clear used by multi rank 1 agurin. chickens -> wolves -> gromp -> blue -> golems -> red. you can start your second farm rotation more efficiently and hit 6 quicker. but requires ur lanes to not grief pre 6.
Yeah, my games have felt like that too, lately ive been focusing too much on farming and outpathing, but im not ganking as much so my lanes lose and then the game is hard.
is there a video about that agurin path?
Is there a recall between the blue and golems in your path? Or do you just run all the way?
@@Hubris_LOL Yeah well it does depend on the champ. Graves, nidalee, kindred are still great at invading early.
Agurin did make a yt vid for it called "THIS NEW JUNGLE PATH IS BROKEN" lol (reviewing Phylaris's vid of it). He's been using the path every game since.
No recall, you just do the straight clear. Immediately base after scuttle to buy items and do a 2nd full clear. It's pure farming lol.
@@Hubris_LOLJust watch any Agurin vid he's doing it every game
Was bronze 4 now I’m gold 3 from this method
👀👀👀That's amazing!
Bro its been an hour go back to iron
Nah i kid but bruh
Yy In 2 days sure bronze noob
go outside weirdo@@Gosta772
Use it in higher elos once you reach em
awesome, simply awesome info
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!
How do you get that camera angle on a replay? Widescreen resolution?
In the replay, hold ctrl+shift+z and scroll out with your scroll wheel and you can zoom further.
You can also get 3 dimensional shots in the replay as well but idk how to do that
Nice vid bro!
How could you adapt this strategy if you were playing in the red side? You would still kill wraths and then invade, but probably just steal enemy blue?
it depends on the game, this path is always raptors>blue/gromp area. The two variations are if you run into the enemy jungler on gromp or not. If you run into them you take their gromp (save smite), and if you dont run into them you take blue then gromp, then decide to either meet them on wolves or just recall.
interesting. This is good for double jungle comp
Double jg comps aren't great but invading would help if u did run a double jg comp haha
Every time I do this, the Gromp is FAR from this low when I arrive. So I contest it but then mid or bot comes and I die. What to do in that situation?
Whenever I go for this invade I tell whichever lanes are around the enemy blue side to get prio at lv1-2 if they can (this depends on the lane matchups), and to spam ping me if their laner leaves.
If you're in a situation where staying in the enemy jg will get you killed, it's probably better to just leave and accept that the play didn't work the way you wanted it to, rather than dying to the enemy laners and ruining one of your lanes.
If all you succeed in doing is forcing the enemy jungler off their gromp, it's an option to recall and run at them when they go try to clear their red side as well, but this depends on the matchup, if you're even or behind in exp, and what state the lanes are in.
What's the counter to losing the smite fight at gromp? Trade HP so you can force them out of their side or accept it and go back to your jungle?
If laners have prio you can bully and take wolves/force a recall, but if you can't get guaranteed prio aren't you just behind at that state of the game? Would you essentially trade enemy jg HP even if you lose smite fight to bully taking another camp/force a recall?
If you're in this scenario on the side that's getting invaded, you're already in a bad spot. Your goal should just be cutting your losses and trying to lose as little as possible, but sometimes you have to give wolves as well.
@@Hubris_LOLSorry was too vague. What happens if you lose the smite fight at gromp as the invading jungler? Essentially, you're now down a camp and have to backtrack to your own jungle to "catch up" is my first thought.
This explains a game i had. I cleared jungle between 310-315, so i am assuming i cleared grump and blue faster he can invade because i was on wolves when i saw him bot lane trying to gank coming from my jungle. Well, I also placed an early ward to avoid level 1 invades, which helped my bot get back to tower before getting fully collapsed upon and wasting all that time. Why i say all this is because he wasted so much time i was able to invade his jungle top side and take all 3 camps since he tried to gun it to scuttle first before clearing his camps. He did try to steal my jungle but died pretty much each time for being so far behind and, in the end, lost himself the game.
Interesting! Invades can be very punishing to mess up!
Subscribed.. Can you do a guide on warding in JNG? I am a new player and can't seem to get the warding game right
omg that is a great idea ill def make a video on that! It's in my list of video ideas now! It may not come out for a bit bc I'm about to move a long distance, but I'll make it eventually!
is there any counter to this? or do you just ward your bot side, and just take his top side if you see him invade it.
Yeah that's basically the counterplay.
You have two options, one you can enter vertical jungling (invade their blue on the other side of the map), or two you can go to your blue gromp/ping your team to help you protect your camps.
Vertical jungling is situationally good, but you have to make sure that the side lane you vertical jungle around is your win condition lane.
@@Hubris_LOL what if you start at wolves and save smite for gromp?
The ultimate counter to this strat is just to start wolves. You meet the enemy jungler trying to do this strat and u have more health than them
Yeah! That's a great example of counterplay!
starting wolves is never a start jglers would do. They dont have much info. U are forced to start buff unless ur doing a 3 camp start. At that point just start other side and cross play.
@@Barcodeuser123 Not sure what ur talking about because a wolf strat is pretty common. Its the blue buff side equivalent to starting at raptors, which is also very common. Just depends on the champ and what info you have. Aside from that, you can always start wolves, blue buff, then gromp and do a cheater recall to get an item advantage when you meet at scuttle after u finish ur full clear.
@@Barcodeuser123 Im only hardstuck diamond 3 after playing for like 6 years so my opinion is completely based on my own experience on what has worked for me.
@@blakebethel3757 yea exactly but 3 camp is never ideal unless ur playing a invading champion like graves, kindred, etc. Otherwise full clear is much more effective. I guess you could start wolves if enemy playing aggro jglers, but if they dont invade u lose wolves.
How can i know the difference between what you've said at 7:30 and at 9:30 ? (Basically let them die or go help the fight no matter what)
It's entirely circumstantial, which makes it hard to know in the moment, but what you have to do is judge whether or not you rotating to the play actually matters. Will they die even if you go? Is the fight winable if you show up? If you can salvage the play or help win the fight by going, you should always go, but there are also times where your teammate has dug their own grave and you can't save them from their mistake.
@@Hubris_LOL i get it. Thanks!
and if bush is warded? dont u just lose time and xp cause enemy team will close you?
It's pretty uncommon for that brush to be warded level 1. It's not impossible but most games it won't be. I think in the scenario that it is warded and you get collapsed on, you just accept that the play won't work and go back to your camps (making sure to leave early enough that you aren't cut off by the enemy laners). And the laners will be lv1-2 so it's hard for them to rotate. I also usually ask my lanes to get prio around this invade if they can.
Being a retired jungle player(albeit from a minor region), my view of current league is that, if your support roams, you MUST be with him on the play.
I noticed you don't really bother with understanding all of the game, but those rotations from your botlane are fine. Bellow average supports can stop junglers from snowballing very easily if your botlane sleeps on their lane.
Thanks for the feedback!
I wouldn't necessarily say I don't bother understanding other aspects of the game, moreso that I don't know what I don't know.
I don't understand why you raptors instead of red? Cause no leashe?
raptors clear is very fast and the walking path from raptors to the enemy blue side is very direct, this path wouldn't work with red start because it would take too long to walk to gromp/blue.
For Kindred is Q or W better to start Raptors?
Probably w, q start is too weak
with kindred u could start red and jump over pit instead
So what do you do if is warded at blue?
I always save my sweeper, so I can turn it on as I'm walking through the bush from river to blue. If that bush is warded, here are a few typical outcomes:
1. If the enemy jg is on gromp, you can still fight for gromp normally, they probably (not always) used smite on their blue, so even if you walk over vision you can still likely contest gromp.
2. If the enemy jungler isn't starting blue, you can attempt to enter what's called Vertical jungling. Then the enemy jungler can either respond by invading your opposite side, or by coming to their blue side to contest you on their camps/protect them. You have to be very watchful of your minimap to see what is happening. If the enemy jungler is likely to invade your opposite side, tell your lanes to check it for you to maybe find a free kill. At the end of the day, no two games are the same, so you kinda have to just watch your map very closely and respond to what the enemy laners/jg do.
Example of vertical jungling:
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Let me know if you have any more questions!
Kayn mains knowing this has been a thing for like- ever since he dropped.
lol yeah kayn is one of the few champs that could do this path even last season!
red start with e over wall does the same but better no?
if you start red then your bot is forced to leash otherwise youll be too slow
@@xmalin1 ive never been to slow
Red takes much longer to clear and puts you in a less direct position to do this invade.
@@weshouldbelovers i guess it depends on the champ, tho majority can solo raptors much faster than red
Yeah what if they go to clear your blue side while you're clearing your red side?
Great question! Against higher elo players that ward their camps (assuming they start red, and not blue), this path gives you a few options. If you take blue>gromp>then see the enemy jungler walking into your blue side, you can either accept the even trade (called vertical jungling), or rotate to your blue side to defend your camps. If you know the enemy jungler is in your jungle, you can also spam your laners that there's a free kill if they are able to collapse (but that depends on the state of their wave/lane).
can u do a video on winning when every lane is inting?
Good idea! I'll look out for games like that to make a video for!
Do you think Evelynn can pull this off?
No this is not great on evelynn because she's weak at lv2. Eve wants to clear till 6 most of the time, so going for invades like this doesn't play to her win condition.
Everytime enemy team invades my jungle at the start i just tell everyone to retreat and i path around and go take there whole top jg, they usually don't even clear my bot jg either so already ahead
That's a good move in that scenario! The only problem you may run into is that some jgs will be good enough to know you're in their top side, and tell their lanes/rotate themselves.
That left top quadrant needs to be changed. Dude there is so much inconsistency with this design playing in jungle. If you didn’t know too some of the camps (primarily red side) can double leash camps again!
OOh I didn't know that, which camps can be double cleared again?
could kayn pull this off with E just over the wall and fall back?
Kayn could maybe do this path, but the problem is that kayn isn't that strong lv2. It is probably find but be mindful that if you show up at gromp in certain matchups you may just get dueled and lose as kayn.
Can I do this with Brand?
You can but I wouldn't suggest it. Brand wants to sequence his camps and farm the early game, so doing this would damage that win condition.
Me playing yorick jg and starting wolves then going blue buff 👀
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jungle's fight is sometimes like an info warfare. You have to know these cheese or you lose
Yeah, jungle is a really beautiful role. The high level of jungling is like playing chess, where there's lots of familiar positions and a lot of the macro is knowing the correct moves when put in certain situations. But then there's lots of room for creativity and thinking outside the box!
it cannot be done though with every champ or opponent...so you need either graves, lee sin, elise? trundle|?ww? any champ i forget or i should omit?
This path is strong on junglers that want to fight lv2. Here are a few examples:
Xin
Graves
Kindred
Lee
Viego
There are probably a lot more that can do it, but I don't want to give you misinformation.
The requirements to be able to do this are:
1. your champ needs to want to fight at lv2.
2. your champ needs to be able to clear raptors quickly to make it to the enemy while they're on gromp (or just clear the blue + gromp if they aren't there).
Seeing this i'm thinking maybe olaf could work as well?
@sebastienpicard2608 I think so too but with ghost instead of flash
been doing this for years. got it from korea.
Cool! This path got a big buff when they changed the map shape to make it faster to walk to blue!
Can I make this work with J4 ?
Yeah I've seen j4s do this path.
@@Hubris_LOL just tried this with j4 and absolutely stomped a few games . I will say you gotta be quick especially with fast clearing jglers like Bel any advice for those fast clearers when doing this ?
Bro I main belveth I been doing this for 2 seasons lol bel clears raptors fast so works out I usually kill the Jg to 😅
Lmao yeah this path is pretty good on belveth! What do you take lv2 when you invade? Do you go e or w? I would think e would be better for the 1v1, right?
This is dirty, can’t wait for them to nerf graves! (I main him)
This path is good on tons of champs other than graves too! But I'm also a graves main :)
Wasnt this hella common back in S7-S8?
A variation of this path has existed for a while, but the map changes made the path from raptors to blue a lot faster, so this path is stronger now!
Just found your channel, hubris used to be so cool with the statue why’d they take it out :(
Trueee :c. Welcome to the channel :)
They added it back
Happened to me but i got an added debuff that tolted me by 50%
Rip :c
Does it matter what champ?
Yes, there's a few comments here about champions, look for one of those if u want more info on that!
What junglers can do this easily?
This path is strong on junglers that want to fight lv2. Here are a few examples:
Xin
Graves
Kindred
Lee
Viego
There are probably a lot more that can do it, but I don't want to give you misinformation.
The requirements to be able to do this are:
1. your champ needs to want to fight at lv2.
2. your champ needs to be able to clear raptors quickly to make it to the enemy while they're on gromp (or just clear the blue + gromp if they aren't there).
@@Hubris_LOL Would it work on Warwick or Kayn? I know warwick might struggle to clear raptors as first camp though.
As a nidalee player i just do red , upgrade w jump over wall and go enemy jg, then gg xd.
Nid be like xd
yeah but its harder now that there is a big wall blocking the entrance
@@heeyy3 nah till you come hes even lower hp and maybe sometimes even out of cds since he need to fight them jg camps yk xd
@@Gioxlol yeah ik i play kindred and i do the same thing sometimes with q
@@heeyy3 just dont do it against graves since the longer he farms the more armor he has from e
Lost me at "Most junglers will smite the first buff"
Not every jungler will in every situation, but most of the time I meet people at gromp with this path they dont have smite bc they used it on the blue.
Not a single jungler below diamond has ever smited their buff in euw haha . Other question: what champs can do these invades and with which should you avoid this strat @Hubris_LOL
hey why not streaming?
I'll start streaming at 1k subs 👀👀
“We made the map more symmetrical!”
Ehh not really..
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I liked it when i was almsot the only person doing this...
The curse of information 💀
Why not just shoot the Lee Sin there on gromp? he only had 300 hp
It probably wouldn't have been bad to focus on lee, but he had flash so my priority was just to secure the gromp, and its easier to do that using my q-auto-smite combo.
I think ur right, it would have been better to focus lee instead of the gromp to at least force his flash, even though I prob couldn't have killed him.
lmao did it for 3 seasons on Talon jg with ignite 99% of the time always a solo kill. Very good one
Trueee this path is very strong
I CAN CURRENTLY GET THIS XP LEAD BUT STUGGLE TO MATCH THE ENEMY JUNGLERS PLAYS :( (caps rip)
I feel u, I've struggled with that before as well. What helps me is setting very defined priorities for myself, such as:
Ganks/plays>>>camps
so that if I see a play, or I know the enemy jg is gonna go for a play, I prioritize countering it/showing up to the fight, over anything else I can do in the moment.
I cannot listen to this guy. Has a different name for every fuckin camp XD
lmao sorry mate, I like my nicknames for them 🤣🤣
I main jungle due to how upsetting how people smite in low elo
Jungle is such a cool role too!
@@Hubris_LOL i main adc and jungle
i like jungle because you can literally shut down someone so fast especially in low elo. I like there is a deep mind chess game, adc is like all about positioning. even though i am average silver, ive been playing since 09 (not taking serious in rank like pushing my skills and knowledge into the game) I feel like three things, wave management, how to deal damage in lane (trading), and how to optimize items to their team comp is three essentials to master. there is mechanics too. I think those three are important too. I jungle, kite camps, get to the obj closer, raid their blue side, in low elo when you take their camps they dont know what to do so they try to gank. and like they dont know how FOW (fog of war) works. so they reveal their position. also warding is such a key
I never see people smite first camp
Smiting first camp is good (unless you get invaded after), because it makes you be lv1 for the shortest amount of time possible in the game, because clearing at lv2 is much easier than lv1
@@Hubris_LOL i find smiting gromp i do faster clear
😭 What jungler doesn't get a leash & who tf smites the first camp. I don't even see silvers do that.
Only works vs bads fr
They may not smite their first camp but this path is being used in pro play lol
this like 3 years old though?
The map changes made it much faster to walk from raptors to blue, which made this path more powerful
The map changes made it much faster to walk from raptors to blue, which made this path more powerful
This only works when bot lane and mid don’t have a brain while facing an auto filled jungle.. even if they refuse to roam, and you got the steal, what’s stopping me from invading your topside while you’re clearing your 2 camps bot side??
You have to clear, recall, buy, walk top, mean while I already invaded you back, caught up in cs, and am just waiting to see if you’re gonna invade me again.
Only ignorant/noob junglers don’t know how to counter this strategy.
Congrats to all who got out of the lower ranks using it 🎉 but just wait till you meet your match.
Chill with ur ego bro xd
if you know the enemy jungler can invade your blue side after doing this clear, you skip your red crugs and run to blue side to defend the camps.
pulling the enemy laners to come to you in the jungle is very valuable bc it makes them miss minions, and as long as you watch the map you have plenty of time to leave before the laners can rotate.
It ain’t egoistic 😂 I’m just spitting facts to those reading the comments ❤ read it out of a 3rd party perspective and not take it as me personally referring to you hubris. More of me talking in 3rd person, obviously, I presented my self as both the enemy and the player.
I simply mentioned something you should have went over in the video. I only completed what you overlooked while presenting the strategy to the audience/lower ranks is all.
Strategy Guides require no details to be left out.
An example of ego is a streamer telling people to subscribe in order to help them climb with incomplete content. Be chill about this though, I’m only being Hubris 🤣 🤣 (all the puns intended)
Hopefully you can take a joke ❤
Good advice dude, but maybe clean your room up for the next video 😄
no >:D
@@Hubris_LOL Haha, ok 😆
Valorent accent
👀what does that even mean?
This is Bad Bad
👀👀why?
not new path btw xd I'm doing it for 12 years
some variation of this has existed for a while, but the map changes made raptors -> blue a lot stronger
This is problematic, especially for low elo, if it becomes popular. Rito is gonna have to come up for counter play for this strat. A lot of jglers are ingrained with the assumption that bot lane is helping the enemy jgler. the first two camps are supposely be safe and so is the 3rd camp. The risk comes from the other side of the map, and it's what most jgler expect in either being contested on a buff or camps being gone
This type of pathing has always existed, low elo jgs are not usually thinking about the game with enough depth to consider these paths, so tbh I'm not too worried about riot removing this path!
Dogs too much talk
dogs don't talk, they bark!
Your channel are over on 1 lvl
Names coinflip not understand what mean
Ok 😎
This shit is beyond cringe.
Me or the path lmao
@@Hubris_LOLThe path. You cool.