Mr. Martin Cothran wrote an excellent short article on this that led me to go beyond what Classical Conversations taught me, and dig into what Classical Education really is! Thank you, sirs and madam for your excellent talk for the edification of homeschooling parents and stakeholders!
We do Classical Conversations too and I am seeing a disparity, I guess, in how the trivium and quadrivium are explained by the program compared to how it is explained here. So now I feel like I’m back at square one in understanding the classical education model. 😅
Binge-listening to your podcasts and you guys crack me up. Bless you all for your efforts! This is so educational. Thank you!! And thanks for the chart! :)
Isn't modern education an extension of the trivium by nature, though? For example, in a business class, you have to learn the lexicon, absorb the information, and usually express it in a paper or project of some kind. This is a model that seems ubiquitous to me, but may not be as commonplace in say, a biology class. That is more lab-focused. But, in terms of my previous example, wouldn't that be considered grammar (learning the lexicon), logic (formulating it and internalizing it), and rhetoric (expressing it in an assignment, paper, presentation, or project)? So, has our modern education system really deviated so far from the traditional liberal arts? Having asked that question, I do acknowledge that a more "on the nose" form of liberal arts education would be good. We subversively teach our students the liberal arts, but we don't eccentuate the value of awareness that we are learning them, or the value they serve in everyday life.
Excellent point, here in the UK we are taught to memorise knowledge, one can do very well here academically without really understanding anything. Education is more a test of being sufficiently orderly, efficient and organised, I am sure that there are exceptions.
I think expressing the meaning of studying is extremely important. And I think directly going through it by the means of the trivium could be really helpful even if it is a bit on the nose. So many classes are docile learning and forcing down info. When there should be more activity and debate (rhetorica)
@@waia6605 - I agree, I think an on-the-nose emphasis would be a good thing in helping students understand WHY and HOW they are learning what they're learning, rather than just using the carrot/stick approach of good grades and bad grades.
Some helpful commentary on the liberal arts and a liberal education but the conversation fell flat when the question was asked: “What makes our education in the liberal arts distinctly classical…?” This pitch was an opportunity for a home run but the responses were more like pop flys and singles. This question ought to be revisited and answered in a more cohesive and powerful way.
Any of you read the KJV bible? You want education that's the book to read. Reading about Churchill history? You're kidding right? You're kidding only yourselves .....
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-Here is a link to the chart we mention throughout the episode: www.memoriapress.com/trivium-quadrivium/
Mr. Martin Cothran wrote an excellent short article on this that led me to go beyond what Classical Conversations taught me, and dig into what Classical Education really is! Thank you, sirs and madam for your excellent talk for the edification of homeschooling parents and stakeholders!
We do Classical Conversations too and I am seeing a disparity, I guess, in how the trivium and quadrivium are explained by the program compared to how it is explained here. So now I feel like I’m back at square one in understanding the classical education model. 😅
They start talking about the Trivium at 8:55
Thank you 🙏
I have to say, I love how much you all love Wendell ❤
Binge-listening to your podcasts and you guys crack me up. Bless you all for your efforts! This is so educational. Thank you!! And thanks for the chart! :)
Wow, thank you! We're glad you enjoy the show. Let us know if there are any topics you'd like us to cover in the future!
THANK YOU for always including the section on what everyone is reading!
The video starts at 9:21.
Thanks so much 🙏🏻
This discussion would have benefited greatly from concrete examples of the trivium and how they intertwine, such as those found in the curriculum.
Isn't modern education an extension of the trivium by nature, though? For example, in a business class, you have to learn the lexicon, absorb the information, and usually express it in a paper or project of some kind. This is a model that seems ubiquitous to me, but may not be as commonplace in say, a biology class. That is more lab-focused. But, in terms of my previous example, wouldn't that be considered grammar (learning the lexicon), logic (formulating it and internalizing it), and rhetoric (expressing it in an assignment, paper, presentation, or project)? So, has our modern education system really deviated so far from the traditional liberal arts? Having asked that question, I do acknowledge that a more "on the nose" form of liberal arts education would be good. We subversively teach our students the liberal arts, but we don't eccentuate the value of awareness that we are learning them, or the value they serve in everyday life.
Excellent point, here in the UK we are taught to memorise knowledge, one can do very well here academically without really understanding anything.
Education is more a test of being sufficiently orderly, efficient and organised, I am sure that there are exceptions.
I think expressing the meaning of studying is extremely important. And I think directly going through it by the means of the trivium could be really helpful even if it is a bit on the nose. So many classes are docile learning and forcing down info. When there should be more activity and debate (rhetorica)
@@waia6605 - I agree, I think an on-the-nose emphasis would be a good thing in helping students understand WHY and HOW they are learning what they're learning, rather than just using the carrot/stick approach of good grades and bad grades.
At around 33:40 i like how one guy brings up division of labor.
Some helpful commentary on the liberal arts and a liberal education but the conversation fell flat when the question was asked: “What makes our education in the liberal arts distinctly classical…?” This pitch was an opportunity for a home run but the responses were more like pop flys and singles. This question ought to be revisited and answered in a more cohesive and powerful way.
Martin’s the best ❤️
Any of you read the KJV bible? You want education that's the book to read. Reading about Churchill history? You're kidding right? You're kidding only yourselves .....
They appear not to understand the topic enough to explain it. That's very strange.