That mass murder will not get out automatically after 21years. If he is considered still a threat he will have to to another 5-10 years, then they will repeat the process. This can continue until he dies
This is how prison should be. The punishment is that you go to prison, not that you should be treated like a sub-human while you’re there. If you want people not to reoffend and go back to prison, you treat them as human beings not caged animals. It also helps if your society deals with poverty by giving people support and a chance to change. Thanks for this Dar.
If you want to see how it was before you should see the movie about Bastøy. Kings of devils Island. Movie about a prison riot at bastøy because they were treated like animals.
My guess is, the Warden wants the escaped prisoners to call back and say that they are okay, because the cost of a search and rescue operation for an inmate is far more expensive than having the police in Oslo on the lookout for an escaped prisoner.
the other prison you check was a high security prison while this was one they can come to when they have served most of the time I send a link to another video about the island with M Moore doing the interview
Yeah, as you said yourself - the entire idea of these systems is to 'try something new', since harsh punishments clearly isn't working. Don't get entirely wrong though, just as one of the inmates there said: 'it is still a prison, for your mind'. Even though there are few guards and no need for weapons or violence, and also even though it might not be hard to escape - at least not if you're not afraid of 4 degrees over freezing water and a good swimmer.....you have generally waited for quite some time, and while doing so clearly 'behaved' and also shown that you in fact do want to reform yourself and turn your life around. So, escaping from there would firstly get yourself to a much harsher prison - if you survive the swim in the freezing water. Also, here in Scandinavia - you will be found within a couple of days anyhow....at least as long as you don't decide to move to live in the forest and not rely on ever buying anything from any store. (Our societies are almost 'cash-less' - that is, you pretty much don't have too much cash and thus have to use your bank-card to be able to buy anything. Also, you won't be able to leave the country by plane or boat - so the only way would basically be to walk for like 500km through the forest of harsh, cold and mountainous terrain to Sweden - where the situation is exactly the same. Simply put, as long as you don't have a lot of cash and a lot of help from someone or someones on the 'outside' - you simply ain't going nowhere! Or, perhaps better put - IF you happen to have a lot of cash and help from the outside - only then you'ld actually stand a perhaps 50/50 chance of ever going anywhere! And the general person simply wouldn't survive for very long, at least if you're not a 'survival-expert', and can support yourself through getting your own water and hunting for your own food!). Also - that aside. After having tried, or managed to escape - you can 'look forward' to never getting that chance again! So, simply put - after having waited and during that time shown good behavior and a clear wish to 'reform yourself', in a 'real prison'....you simply merely have nothing to gain and everything to lose to try to escape! (Or for that matter in any way 'misbehave'). Personally I believe that this is the way prisons SHOULD work in general: by using 'the carrot' instead of 'the stick' (which clearly doesn't work). A system such as this generally and for most make you want to better yourself, get training or education to be able to get yourself a job and be able to support yourself. 'Cause if you do that - you're basically 'in the society again': getting help for any addiction and/or mental problems, getting yourself an education as well as a job and thereby also somewhere to live! Just look at the statistics - this is the only 'thing' that works. Or at least, is the best system known and available to us which makes most former criminals to turn their lives around!
It is supposed to feel like a normal life. This is to soften the release into society at the end of their sentence. Learn responsibility with normal jobs etc. Instead of releasing people straight into society from maximum security.
It is not as luxurious as in Norway, but nearby, in Belgium we have an open prison as well. And in some prisons, the inmates can take their car and go to work daily. It does not have to be 19 th century, as the USA.
:))) This video is SOOOO American! Let´s Pounctunate Every! Sentence! So! That! The! Viewers! Know! That! This! Is! Really! Important! And! Interesting! :)) So stereotype! But anyhoo. Just to be clear, yes Scandinavian prison systems are very different to americans. BUT, what is shown in this video is not a maximum security prison. Even though an amarican would be blown away by that in Norway as well. But the scenery and conditions shown here are from an Island hosting people on their last leg of their punishment. It is a way to ease their way back to society. To become an integral part of Norway. A good neighbour. A man/woman who contributes to society and to be a part of his/her community. Which part of that is hard to comprehend? Is it better to keep prisoners in a cage for 30 years and drop the off in a street with 20 dollars in their pocket? Do the math guys and think beyond ur own feelings of revenge.
One of the prisoners at Bastøy drugged and beat his stepson to death.That makes me feel sick!There are a lof of prisoners there that have raped kids.It's safer to put them there then in a normal prison..
For me, this is taking it too far. Nobody is allowed to take revenge when a loved one is killed, for example. So I am entitled to expect that the state does that for me. Of course there needs to be rehabilitation. Absolutely. But to give them a better life than a normal person outside has, takes it beyond my appreciation. Prison is rehabilitation AND punishment. And punishment hurts. If there is no punishment, I want my right for revenge back and want the articles in law that forbid the revenge to be deleted from the law.
That mass murder will not get out automatically after 21years. If he is considered still a threat he will have to to another 5-10 years, then they will repeat the process. This can continue until he dies
He's probably never getting out. Or at least not until he's an old man, too sickly to be any threat to anyone.
Yes - or simply put in a mental institution. From where he'll never get out!
This is how prison should be. The punishment is that you go to prison, not that you should be treated like a sub-human while you’re there. If you want people not to reoffend and go back to prison, you treat them as human beings not caged animals. It also helps if your society deals with poverty by giving people support and a chance to change.
Thanks for this Dar.
If you want to see how it was before you should see the movie about Bastøy.
Kings of devils Island.
Movie about a prison riot at bastøy because they were treated like animals.
Haha go to Norway and rob a bank... If they are anything like Sweden you will have to call the bank first to pre-order the Cash...
My guess is, the Warden wants the escaped prisoners to call back and say that they are okay, because the cost of a search and rescue operation for an inmate is far more expensive than having the police in Oslo on the lookout for an escaped prisoner.
the other prison you check was a high security prison while this was one they can come to when they have served most of the time
I send a link to another video about the island with M Moore doing the interview
Yeah, as you said yourself - the entire idea of these systems is to 'try something new', since harsh punishments clearly isn't working.
Don't get entirely wrong though, just as one of the inmates there said: 'it is still a prison, for your mind'. Even though there are few guards and no need for weapons or violence, and also even though it might not be hard to escape - at least not if you're not afraid of 4 degrees over freezing water and a good swimmer.....you have generally waited for quite some time, and while doing so clearly 'behaved' and also shown that you in fact do want to reform yourself and turn your life around.
So, escaping from there would firstly get yourself to a much harsher prison - if you survive the swim in the freezing water. Also, here in Scandinavia - you will be found within a couple of days anyhow....at least as long as you don't decide to move to live in the forest and not rely on ever buying anything from any store. (Our societies are almost 'cash-less' - that is, you pretty much don't have too much cash and thus have to use your bank-card to be able to buy anything. Also, you won't be able to leave the country by plane or boat - so the only way would basically be to walk for like 500km through the forest of harsh, cold and mountainous terrain to Sweden - where the situation is exactly the same. Simply put, as long as you don't have a lot of cash and a lot of help from someone or someones on the 'outside' - you simply ain't going nowhere!
Or, perhaps better put - IF you happen to have a lot of cash and help from the outside - only then you'ld actually stand a perhaps 50/50 chance of ever going anywhere! And the general person simply wouldn't survive for very long, at least if you're not a 'survival-expert', and can support yourself through getting your own water and hunting for your own food!).
Also - that aside. After having tried, or managed to escape - you can 'look forward' to never getting that chance again!
So, simply put - after having waited and during that time shown good behavior and a clear wish to 'reform yourself', in a 'real prison'....you simply merely have nothing to gain and everything to lose to try to escape! (Or for that matter in any way 'misbehave').
Personally I believe that this is the way prisons SHOULD work in general: by using 'the carrot' instead of 'the stick' (which clearly doesn't work). A system such as this generally and for most make you want to better yourself, get training or education to be able to get yourself a job and be able to support yourself. 'Cause if you do that - you're basically 'in the society again': getting help for any addiction and/or mental problems, getting yourself an education as well as a job and thereby also somewhere to live!
Just look at the statistics - this is the only 'thing' that works. Or at least, is the best system known and available to us which makes most former criminals to turn their lives around!
It is supposed to feel like a normal life. This is to soften the release into society at the end of their sentence. Learn responsibility with normal jobs etc. Instead of releasing people straight into society from maximum security.
It is not as luxurious as in Norway, but nearby, in Belgium we have an open prison as well. And in some prisons, the inmates can take their car and go to work daily. It does not have to be 19 th century, as the USA.
Think about Bastoy as a halfway house.
:))) This video is SOOOO American! Let´s Pounctunate Every! Sentence! So! That! The! Viewers! Know! That! This! Is! Really! Important! And! Interesting! :)) So stereotype! But anyhoo. Just to be clear, yes Scandinavian prison systems are very different to americans. BUT, what is shown in this video is not a maximum security prison. Even though an amarican would be blown away by that in Norway as well. But the scenery and conditions shown here are from an Island hosting people on their last leg of their punishment. It is a way to ease their way back to society. To become an integral part of Norway. A good neighbour. A man/woman who contributes to society and to be a part of his/her community. Which part of that is hard to comprehend? Is it better to keep prisoners in a cage for 30 years and drop the off in a street with 20 dollars in their pocket? Do the math guys and think beyond ur own feelings of revenge.
Think it is a own Bastøy video on yt?
One of the prisoners at Bastøy drugged and beat his stepson to death.That makes me feel sick!There are a lof of prisoners there that have raped kids.It's safer to put them there then in a normal prison..
Being an emo doesn't solve any problems.
For me, this is taking it too far. Nobody is allowed to take revenge when a loved one is killed, for example. So I am entitled to expect that the state does that for me. Of course there needs to be rehabilitation. Absolutely. But to give them a better life than a normal person outside has, takes it beyond my appreciation. Prison is rehabilitation AND punishment. And punishment hurts. If there is no punishment, I want my right for revenge back and want the articles in law that forbid the revenge to be deleted from the law.
Bastoy is for hard criminals at the end of sentence, its not a reward🙈