There's a magic to the pre-tapes. Maybe it's knowing that the crew is relaxing with family and friends, but we still get some delectable content. Thanks for everything ya'll, we ♥️ ya
It's also knowing that this is just the start of a series of pre-tapes. Like, no matter how loopy the conversation gets.....we all know the heroes survive till the next one.
I was never on the Nolan hype-train when The Dark Knight Trilogy first released, but rewatching his original stuff before and after, especially Dunkirk and Interstellar that ended up being my favorites, is what made me truly appreciate his work.
OMG worst ending to a show I have ever seen in my life. The bad guys commit insane atrocities. Literally killing millions of innocent people moments before the ending where they get off scott free. ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDDING ME!!! We are making Peace with literally space Nazi's and they get off with absolutely no consequence and we are supposed to think this is a good thing? What a major sell out of not only the espoused ideals of the Federation and the Franchise itself but a major FU to all the people who would have actually suffered in universe. Peace is a noble goal.... but not with literal Nazi's. Odo, one of the main characters resolves his moral struggle by abandoning the person he loves and joining said bad guys. Damar, one of the main antagonists who starts to undergo a heel face turn to undergo a redemptive arc (and is a standin for the redemptive arc of the Cardassian people in general) ends by..... randomly dying to stray gunfire minutes before the end to absolutely no affect and is never addressed or even so much as commented on. That thing with Sisko and Dukat a the end was just.... nonsense. Actually the who thing with wormhole aliens that have "no concept of time" but can somehow speak to people which is literally requires a concept of time because you have to know that some sounds come before/after others, is just stupid. Actually Sisko in general is just the worst. First there was him stamping out the Maquis who where fighting for their freedom which is supposedly something the Federation stands for. Not to mention the federation abandoned them in the first place. Not to mention they where fighting one of the big bad factions that comes back to bite the federation. It's ugh. Then that whole thing with Sisko stopping SF intelligence from stopping the dominion and literally saving/freeing literally untold quadrillions of innocent people across half the universe because poison is..... shady or some s***. OMG give me a break. And a better captain. Then you have the race that was taken over by parasites who somehow convinced and entire civilization to worship them as gods and compete for the "privilege" of sacrificing their lives to be their hosts with Dax. I mean, I could go on forever. I just can't even with this show.
Another good example of a director with a great eye but doesn't seem to understand what makes their thing work is Michael Bay. Someone did a video about it, about how Bay has _seen_ great movies, seen things in then that work beautifully, but doesn't understand _why,_ so he just goes overboard with it. I think all these visually-oriented directors need a strong editor. Like how George Lucas' ex wife saved Star Wars in the edit.
Dawn of the dead is the best film he has directed by far. I really like man of steel. The rest of his movies have been bad. As for no arc and story 300 has something to say about that. There is literally only 3 things that happen in that movie for plot points.
Heres a hot take. GHOSTBUSTERS II is underrated due to the endless comparison to the lightning in a bottle the first film was. I understand its a sequel to that film, and its totally normal anD SHOULD be compared to the original. But its still a good solid entry into the franchise, and a good, FUN popcorn movie, the horror elements are done well, the comedic elements are done well, the effects were great (admittedly for the time not so much now), it had fun with the original without making fun OF the original, its rewatchable moreso than a LOT of modern movies. I just think its a better movie than most give it credit for.
It wasn't til social media that I realized GB2 wasn't super well regarded!! It scared the shit out of me when I was growing up, just a painting of Slavic dude but still!!
Honestly before the Last Jedi I was so happy and excited for the Star Wars movies and after it killed my love for the new trilogy, I loved Rouge One and Solo though I thought they were super fun and entertaining for me 💕so no the Last Jedi didn’t kill Star Wars as a franchise but I think it really hurt the new trilogy and possibly killed it for others
I quite like The Last Jedi, and thankfully I only became aware of the negative opinions others' had on it after I was able to see it the first time. Two years later, and I still feel the same. And there's no shame in that! I don't think those who dislike it are necessarily "wrong" (though I find bandwagon hate particularly troubling), but I hate this idea that if you liked the film you're "wrong" or "not a real fan" or "tasteless." People immediately question you when you say you like it, rather than being like, "Cool! I'm glad you saw something you liked in it." On the flip side, I was pretty meh about Rogue One. It was just okay to me. When I saw it in theaters, people clapped, and I was thinking, "Hmm I don't know if it was clap-worthy for me." But you know what? I don't consider myself "right" or look down upon people who like Rogue One. We just like different things from these movies!
What a great panel. I love the OG(for me)of Joe,Dan,Spencer and Roth but I wouldn't mind seeing Billy's Hot Takes team here on a semi-regular basis. Hope you all had a wonderful break,holiday season and a good time with family.
@Roc "Not really" Sorry but you don't get to bandy "beyond awful" about and have your comments taken seriously. You don't like them? Great but 'beyond awful' is just hyperbolic.
Love this episode! Everyone meshed well and brought something to the discussion. Loved the in depth analysis of Zac Snyder and of the Ghostbusters movie.
The way you mischaracterise critics of the Last Jedi and subtly attack their character is very disappointing - was there even one person on the panel who represented the side who thought the film was bad, or at the very least mixed?
Well if the critics gave it 90% and it made a billion dollars from people watching it, then the few (vocal, angry) people who hate TLJ, overall, are just a small minority stoked up by these stupid channels. And yeah, you're getting lumped in with those assholes but be mad at them - not the people who liked TLJ
Only issue with the video. It is to short to cover the decade. And Dan wasn't there. I think Dan is a voice I would listen too until the cows came home. I don't own cows.
Howard Clarke I cant be the only one who thinks something is off. I’ve been feeling it for a few months now where the energy is low, it’s just another day, another segment. There’s no more passion. I haven’t enjoyed watching them for a while, I’ve just been slogging through
Dan would've been a good voice of reason particularly during the one-sided Last Jedi segment. It may not have killed Star Wars but it definitely killed the sequel trilogy.
Liking TLJ is never a problem. If you like a film you like a film. My problem has always been with those that will avoid the discussion about problems of TLJ and just label others as infantile. To me TLJ has glaring problems, to the point that I consider it bad story-telling. That said, from someone who dislikes TLJ, Star Wars is DEFINITELY not dead :)
I disagree with the last jedi stuff with luke. The reason people don't like him, and that mark hamill didn't like, was that luke was literally the only person in the galaxy that believed darth vader could be redeemed. And now at the slightest hint of darkness in ben he tries to murder him in his sleep? It's not characteristic of him. Plus, he exiles himself for absolutely no reason effectively? I understand that people change over their lives, but they didn't put the work in to have those changes make sense.
A moment of weakness when you're sensing "snoke" inside your pupil is understandable but admittedly not very believable if we're talking about luke although it had been a long time. Failure and redemption was a key theme of that movie and his failure resulted in the fall of his jedi school and the creation of kylo ren which is ample reason for someone who already seemingly had cracks in his judgement, to go into exile for.
"And now at the slightest hint of darkness in ben he tries to murder him in his sleep?" Why is it so hard for people to actually listen to what the movies say? Luke, very clearly, says that he had sense darkness building in Kylo for years, and that it finally had gotten to the point where he felt he had to confront him, so he went to his tent to talk to him, only to realize he was much further gone than he could have ever imagined. It's perfectly characteristic of the character, who has shown before that he is capable of losing his composure in the face of losing people he loved (cough cough Vader trying to turn Leia cough cough). But I guess I forgot, once the dark side has tempted you once it can never tempt you again.
@@Geoffery_of_Monmouth thank you! I don't get why so many people don't see this. And then everyone making he argument about Luke being an icon that was ruined, is literally what Luke says everyone wanted from him, to be some perfect hero. I feel like I am taking crazy pills!!!!
What you didn't like the last season of Game Of Thrones because they changed the personalities of the Characters & the Rules of the Universe, wow why does that sound familiar...Oh that's righ, The Last Jedi did the same thing. So it's fine for You All to criticise G.O.T but We get called .....IST if We criticise The Last Jedi for the same reasons.
@@Jurassicalien Yes, What? Do You agree with what I'm saying, hence the Yes? Or do you mean Yes it's OK for You to criticise something & not be insulted But it's not OK for Us to criticise something like The Last Jedi & We just have to except the insults?
Christopher Nolan is the Beyoncé of cinema. I can see why people think they’re overrated but when you take a good look at their work, the body backs the hype
Marcus Middleton even if the work doesn’t exactly hit the mark, it takes a lot of balls to try to make an amazing experience for the audience and shake things up
I hope sju makes more episodes with these four in the panel. Great insights, well moderated, funny but not loud and annoying. They bonce off each other well
Both Buffy and Angel ended more or less on their own terms and had great finales. The last season of GoT was rushed and was missing all the character development we got used to. At least we finally saw the dragons in all their glory.
They've already had that discussion with Dan,Spencer n all when season 8 first aired and they read the books too. I didn't agree with it but meh that's life
I believe that the fight scenes in the Dark Knight Trilogy were well crafted. There are some background goofs; but overall there are some memorable ones like the rooftop fight with Catwoman, Batman's fights against Bane and his final showdown with Joker.
Disagree with Ed about TLJ The Force isn't for everyone. It's for people who are Force sensitive. But it was never limited to just the Skywalkers either. You implying that before TLJ it was, is just utterly silly. The Star Wars saga was about this family- the Skywalkers who had members that were thought to be chosen ones to bring balance to the Force. It's okay that TLJ moves away from the traditional "hero's arc" But this new trilogy was sold to us with the promise of a continuation of the original trilogy. A promise to see where Leia, Luke and Han ended up. We deserved to see them together for a little bit. What's not okay about TLJ is how they completely misuse characters of the original trilogy and also don't give you nearly enough time to get to know the new characters or even let you like them enough to give a shit about their story. Kylo Ren was just a whiny teen with attention deficit. They could have done something interesting with Finn's arc, but they didn't. They tried to force some kind of relationship between Leia and Rey when there wasn't any. There were better ways to get their new angle across without botching up the story.
Is it just me, or... does it feel that fandom entertainment no longer has passion. I don’t feel the energy anymore, all I hear is segments, talking points, just another show. I don’t enjoy listening to them anymore. I dare anyone to just go back a few months ago before they rolled back the movie fights to once a month. The energy died. I don’t think they enjoy this anymore. Or something happened. All I watch now is Dan break down the numbers now but even then, it’s a little worn down. Something’s off.
28:24 the reason people react so strongly is BECAUSE people have baggage. Of course they have baggage. Studios are digging up classics that people are attached to, and trying to remake and reboot franchises that DON'T NEED sequels, and are good enough that they don't need remakes. (Good enough because they were of their time. Some stories just don't work for this era) They should let things be. 9 times out of 10 a remake won't work. Or even if it does, it might not connect with fans of the original It just feels like Hollywood is shoving stale food into our mouths and getting mad and blaming audiences because they're spitting it out.
As for scifi series that ended on it's own note and wasn't canceled prematurely and was satisfying, that's definitely STARGATE SG-1. Very satisfying end to all characters and conclusion to a longest running scifi tv series at the time.
Wow, just watched through the TLJ segment of this video and the hosts certainly didn't seem to get why people didn't like Luke's character in TLJ at all, they just went the complete superficial route. It wasn't that Luke had changed from when we last saw him in ROTJ, we all expected him to have changed over the last 30 years. But what pissed people off was that we didn't see what brought about that radical change in Luke. He goes from the only person who believed that Darth Vader could be redeemed, to thinking and attempting to kill his own nephew while said nephew was asleep. That is a massive change in Luke's character, and we aren't shown how or why that change comes about aside from a line or two of dialogue and about 15 secs worth of flashbacks. Instead we are taken on a pointless side quest to a casino for 20+ minutes, when that screen time could have been easily used to flesh out the reasons why Luke had changed so drastically. And besides, even in the EU, when Luke has several students fall to the Dark Side, he attempts to bring them back to the Light, he doesn't just immediately think about killing them. I will agree that TLJ didn't kill Star Wars but it has wounded it significantly considering the last two films have either lost money (Solo) or look to have fallen short of expectations (TROS).
At no point did Luke try to kill Ben. Did you watch TLJ? Hell, Luke attempted to kill his father after his sister was threatened. Is it really that crazy that a more powerful Luke who is shown a future where Ben causes great suffering would consider for a brief moment of killing Ben to prevent that?
@@ThomasDailey Yes. Yes it is. Luke wanted to save his dad where leia thought it was a lost cause. Why didn't leia kill ben? That would of made more sense.
There are some that nailed the ending, as said TNG. But DS9's ending was amazing nearly perfect they managed to tell a complete story that had been building for seasons. I would also add SG-1 and Farscape (with including series ending movies/miniseries as part of it). They provided a good conclusion to their story arcs and characters.
80s Ghostbusters looked New York, starting a business sci-fi-blue collar flick. Lady Ghostbusters was generic cartoonish comedy, similar to Ghostbuster2 flick. Both had great talent, especially Hemsworth who was really funny.
Well 80s New York and 10s New York are very different in like every way. I lived in New York when this came out, seemed pretty accurate to me. I just was sick of the Melissa Mccarthy Paul Feig movies. It's fine and it undeniably had a big effect on young girls and that is super cool.
If anyone asks me in the future for an example of the statement that those who can't do something, become critics, I will point them right here. So, thanks for the quality content.
Severely disagree with your take on Last Jedi. (Yeah, I know...shocking!!-lol) The force has always been available to the common-Anakin began as a slave. The main series was just a story focused on this very unique period and this family's influence. There has always been room for more. Your question, in specific, is No, Star Wars continues but Last Jedi derailed the newest trilogy and it did damage to the overall cannon which is the understructure for all future stories in this universe.
Galaxy's Edge only proves one thing -- Disney World/Disneyland is expensive. I'd love to go, but it would probably run be $3,000 before even getting into buying light sabers or fancy coke cans.
Lindsay M.H. My beef is that its a SW theme park for a series of 9 + movies and is only about/set during two films of the last trilogy. No prequel of OT things just only sequel trilogy stuff, seems like a lot of wasted potential. No Pod Racing VR ride for example.
@@AloisWeimar I honestly won't be shocked if they expand it as time goes on, and I can also understand focusing on stuff the largest number of /kids/ is apt to recognize. Are there any remaining licensing issues between OT/prequels when it comes to theme parks? I genuinely don't know and I wonder what they're saving for that hotel they're building. Everything I've heard from people who have been there is that it was a great experience.
@@Rooster832 And I won't lie -- I'd buy the crap out of some of the toys they sell there if they were available outside of the park. It seems like they have a fair bit of cool stuff there. I'm just not in a position to go.
What’s worse is how much it increases each year. The problem is even with price increases that are much more than inflation, attendance isn’t affected much. I’m not against Disney charging what it wants, but at the same time I don’t want it to be a luxury only for the rich, or a lot of saving or credit card debt. I don’t think there’s an easy solution, but I wish Disney would try to find one.
The overall reaction you came to, even though you didn't mention it, is that people enjoy quality production, acting, direction, and writing. There are no movies/shows that do these things well and have hate/bad reactions from fans. Its difficult to make movies and television but these four items are all equally important. All the fan hate/backlash is because at least one of these items was taken for granted/just plain bad/not given the effort it deserved. Most of it is due to really bad writing. Because there are a lot of talented producers, actors, and directors......but there is a real dearth of quality writers in Hollywood.
Kinda wanna look more but as they mentioned on here the guy who wrote bvs and justice league was also given rise of skywalker. Thought about it in terms of friendship/ nepotism but maybe you're right and there's not good writers. Or the good writers get pushed aside
The screen shot for the video is of Game of Thrones and you have a person who doesn’t care and another who didn’t watch it. Come on. Also bold move making fun of nerds of a show you don’t like when you’re a huge nerd Ed.
Indicators that your series was doomed critically this decade: 1. When you rush to assemble all your A-list superheroes in a crossover before properly introducing half of them. 2. When you rush to finish a complex show that constantly expanded its scope...by skipping over pivotal character arcs. 3. When you rush to release crucial, experimental episodes of a brief trilogy every 2 years without a general narrative plan.
I love inception and it's my second sneak in theater my first sneak in was The Dark Knight but Christopher Nolan is really a legendary filmmaker and the best IMAX director and yesterday I saw Tenet exclusive scene and I was mind blown.
The New Ghostbusters definitely going to be a continuation from the first 2 films especially the first one and the hints of it is already there with Ivo Shandor to Ecto plasma gue etc. Ivo Shandor is the architect that Harold Ramis' character Egon mentioned when he and his teammates were in prison describing the building Weaver's character lives at is a doorway for the entities to come to the real world. You see the Shandor mining sign which says more ghosts are going to emerge from that mine. With the Rise of Skywalker Rey to me is like the codex like Kal-El in Man of Steel.
Building the mythology around Ivo Shandor was what they already did in the 2009 video game (which is imho fantastic, by no small feat because of the expanded mythos), so it would have both precedent and sort of a blueprint.
Guys like this saying oh they took away the laser swords and chosen one narrative thats not it cause the force has always been in others all through the galaxy but not all become jedi. The issue is that luke skywalker is that hes an icon and for most ,we didn't like him being miss handled i don't care how u spin it, thats my opinion. U really can't tell me after watching this trilogy was ever a plan and for me the story and characters matter. Still love star wars just not this trilogy.😎
"we didn't like him being mishandled" That is your opinion and you saying 'that is what most people thought'. Lots liked the film, lots didn't and in both cases for a bunch of reasons.
@@telectronix1368 i know there many reasons why people liked , loved and even hated that movie i just gave u 1 and like i said characters and story matter and in my opinion this was a bad story period and looks great and has great moments but dissappointing.
You guys definitely deserve a vacation, and I love and appreciate the pre-tapes, but maybe trying to tackle the legacy of TLJ when the next movie is coming out between when you tape and when it airs is a Holdo maneuver too far...
I only started getting into Christopher Nolan two weeks ago. I have seen 4 of his films so far (The Prestige, Inception, Interstellar, and Dunkirk). Interstellar is hands down my favorite. I loved everything about it. So I’m shocked finding out people don’t care for it.
I'm one of those people. I guess I just didn't get what he was trying to do with that movie. Couldn't relate to his family or to this version of Earth. idk I wouldn't watch it again
For me Insterstellar is so grounded in fun and interesting science and the search for the truth for 3/4 of the film but then does a complete 180 with the love is the 4th dimension stuff which completely threw me off. Mcconaughey has such a weird relationship with his kids he loves murph but hates casey affleck, then he gets to the future sees murph on her death bed then instead of meeting his family goes right imma head out to find anne hathaway.
@@TheSubZer0HEro I guess that's where we differ because the 4th dimension stuff is what put it over the top for me. It's why I ended up loving the movie. I also wouldn't say he hates Casey's character. He just has deeper connection with Murphy due to their similarities and love for science, etc. Not meeting his family didn't really bother me because she told him to leave and finish his mission (find the new "Earth") which is where Brand was at. Plus none of them seemed to eager to meet him either. It's gotta be weird being the same age as what is probably your great grandfather.
The Nolan discourse mostly stems from the unwavering idolization that his fans have, they hold him in such high regard which troubles them when someone has issues with any of his movies. I think my main gripe with his films is the often rushed or incoherent endings that are either idiotic (dark knight rises) or downright frustrating (interstellar). You get the "your just not smart enough" reaction to disliking a lot of his endings and that's why I stand by my opinion that Nolan is great but his fans suck.
@@kylebookout1789 you're definitely being very mild in saying star wars fandom sucks. I do think the internet amplifies the opinions of the minority though, plenty of casual star wars fans are happy people.
Nolan is a flavor. Not one I particularly enjoy but different strokes... And I dare anyone to try and prove that The Last Jedi made “anyone can use the Force” a thing.
In one word Rey, in The Last Jedi it is explicitly stated that Her Parents were Nobodies, meaning She does not have Jedi or Sith ancestry & I know what You are going to say, what about Her Grandparents, well firstly that was not in The Last Jedi & secondly even if Her Parents were the Children of Jedi or Sith they would still be Somebodies not Nobodies. Then We have the Broom Boy, maybe He has Jedi or Sith ancestry but the scene in the movie is clearly there to show, even a Slave who came from nothing can have Force powers & yes they are trying to say He is like Anakin in that way but We know were Anakin got His Force sensitivity from, We don't know were Broom Boy got His Force Powers from but We do know from the tone of the movie, how & why He had them, Because Anyone Can.
@@lonewolfhowling7796 Sure, but why do people talk like TLJ established that when it was more than already obvious. Made Windu wasn't a Skywalker, Kit Fisto wasn't a Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano wasn't a Skywalker, Kanan Jarrus wasn't a Skywalker....
@@marcarsenault7585 I'm not saying everyone has to be a Skywalker but I know that Windu is of the Korunnai Clan a Bloodline that is Force Sensitive, so His Parrents were & Grandparents & so on. As for the others I can't say I know their ancestry well enough but since it has been established that Midichlorians are inherited making genetics the key determinant in one’s fate, as it pertains to Force Powers it makes sense that the other Character do Or rather should have Force Sensitive Ancestors, either Jedi or Sith, where as it has been established in The Last Jedi that Rey has no Force Sensitive ancestors ( Her Parents were Nobodies ) which is how The Last Jedi made it so anyone can use Force Powers, which is what I find distasteful about that movie.
Buffy has a perfect ending, or at least one most people love. And I’d say that a LOT of “didn’t stick the landing” endings are the exact same as GoT where the creators sooner or later admit they started without a clear idea of how to end.
Vanessa! How do you feel about the pie crusts on Pushing Daisies? Did it bother you in Waitress that they made pies with creamy fillings and didn’t blind bake the crust first? Why aren’t there more shows/movies about pie!?
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This is what happened. You guys bashed DC to the ground. When DC was out of the picture a vacuum was left. Star Wars filled that vacuum and got bashed. Now you are soo sensitive when that energy is coming against something you love. The last Jedi killed the Skywalker saga.
Anyone who thinks NOLAN is an overrated film maker clearly knows NOTHING about film making. You can like or dislike the stories, but they are all immaculately made. Objectively they are well made films.
Please forgive me for this short rant...but if I may drop my thoughts for a moment...my "hot take" if you will... The Last Jedi didn't kill Star Wars. But it defiantly was the metaphorical ice burg that sunk this particular trilogy's narrative. Ryan Johnson was the problem with The Last Jedi, not Kathleen Kennedy. (Not entirely.) He completely ignored what was best for the story in lieu of doing what HE WANTED to do. He did that A LOT in his film. 1. He dismissed the Knights of Ren even though they were set up to be something important. 2. He had Kylo say that Ray was a nobody regardless of the fact that it was insinuated otherwise via her touching Luke's lightsaber for the first time giving her force visions that were DIRECTLY RELATED to him. 3. He dismissed Snoke as a nobody (even though he was an Emperor-level Sisth Lord) and he turned Huxley into a joke for no reason causing JJ to bring in ANOTHER Huxley-like character to make up for it. 4. He ignored Finn's force sensitivity (being that he was able to use a lightsaber with enough skill to hold his own against Kylo Ren for a minute or so completely untrained) and decided instead to make him the comic relief Jar Jar of the film and he also ignored his obvious romantic interest in Ray and threw Rose in and tried to force a sudden romance where there was none, once again, for no reason. 5. He ignored Captain Phasma's obvious importance to Finn and killed her off seemingly only because the audience wanted something more from her. 6. He COMPLETELY retconed the fact that accoeding to TFA Ben had rebelled against Luke unprovoked, burned his academy/school to the ground and killed all of the students who wouldn't follow him and instead in TLJ, he made Ben's turn to being Kylo all Luke's fault...for thinking about assassinating him???? 7. He completely disregarded Maz Kanata and neglected to move her backstory forward. I could seriously go on and on, but the fact of the matter is that it seems to me like Ryan had some resentment for everything that TFA tried to set up and he just wanted to tear it all down just for the sake of it. "Destroy the past." Even if there was no plan in place for Star Wars (which is HIGHLY unlikely seeing as how it's the most bankable IP since the Bible and Disney spent $4B to acquire it) Ryan had a responsibility to continue the story that was being told IN SERVICE OF THE SERIES THAT WAS BEING MADE. If he were doing his own take on Star Wars from the beginning, that would be one thing. But this was a trilogy that was part of a larger anthology. And to the absolute determent of the overall arc, he insisted on ignoring his duty as a director and doing his own angry thing. (I use the word "angry" because after his tweet/instagram/whatever upload of him holding up a sign to the fans saying "Your Snoke theory sucks", it's the only logical takeaway I can draw...that he was either angry at the fans, at J.J., at the IP or a combination of all three.) I've no idea why Disney and Kennedy allowed Johnson to take the property so far afield when we all KNOW that he had to run his ideas by the House of Mouse before his script was approved and we KNOW that the board of directors along with Kennedy were allowed to see the film and its relation of the larger narrative before it was released. Its uncharacteristic for Disney to allow something so against the grain that rocks the boat so much. Than much can be seen in how it's handled the majority of its live action remakes. Almost always safe; almost always beat-for-beat what the majority of audiences will likely accept. I have so many feelings and The Last Jedi is just baffling to me. Also, as a final personal pet peeve of mine with Johnson's movie...DAN WAS %100,000 CORRECT in the Rise of Skywalker spoiler review. And what he said was something I've said ever since TLJ was still in theaters. The "Mary Poppins Leia" scene should never have happened and the Holdo Maneuver should not be a thing. I think that most of us believed that Leia was going to die in the second film and that Luke would likely die in the third...or in the second film after PHYSICALLY confronting Kylo to aid Ray in a "If you strike me down" moment mirroring Obi Wan's sacrifice in A New Hope. Ryan played with this by having Luke die (unceremoniously) in the second film and faking out Leia's death. Hindsight being 20/20 in the wake of Carrie Fisher's tragic passing, it would have been better (for both the overall story and what became Fisher's legacy) if Johnson, since he'd put the characters in the position in the first place, had allowed Leia to make the suicide run. I can think of no more epic or memorable way for Leia to have left the franchise. Basically, the lightspeed run should have come to be known by the fans as the Organa Maneuver. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
SG-1 and Atlantis both had good to decent endings. B5 also ended (almost) perfectly.... if you pretend the season 5 doesn't exist, which I do. Clone Wars was ok too.
The problem with 2016 ghostbusters is, it was like the manatee Family Guy writers from South Park came up with the concept of the movie. Ghostbusters+ladies+Paul Feig. The all lady cast directed by Paul Feig (or maybe even another lady) should’ve been it’s own movie, and the ghostbusters reboot should‘ve been an entirely different movie (it can also have ladies...just so nobody thinks I’m sexist) I think ghostbusters 2016 is hot garbage because it doesn’t take the ghosts seriously, and it goes from four people riffing to ghost busting. If the time spent ghost busting was spent in a more normal situation where the characters have scripted dialog that forms some sort of narrative structure. Well, that’s a movie, and probably an enjoyable one at that.
I can't disagree with everything you guys are saying anymore then I do... Wow some of us that are a little older waited our entire lives to see the Luke Skywalker we remembered and I don't know if you kids can grasp that. The last Jedi was absolutely the biggest let down. It killed this trilogy for me
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This wasn’t released on the wrong day you guys get pre-tape SJU’s every day including weekends until we are back live January 6th!!
All the thing you said about Zack you got it wrong it's like you speaking about someone else
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he isn't just visual storytellers
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Thank you for all you do Screen Junkies! Enjoy your break. See you in the 20s!
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There's a magic to the pre-tapes. Maybe it's knowing that the crew is relaxing with family and friends, but we still get some delectable content. Thanks for everything ya'll, we ♥️ ya
It's also knowing that this is just the start of a series of pre-tapes.
Like, no matter how loopy the conversation gets.....we all know the heroes survive till the next one.
@@telectronix1368 You're right. We get to see how deep the rabbit hole truly goes
Missed opportunity to call this video The Hot Take Time Machine.
24:12 Billy: Did that end the relationship?
Cameron: No....Rogue one did
there needs to be a contract obligation for ed to show us what he is drawing at the end of every show.
And a short them song/ graphic
pretty please
“Did that end the relationship?”
“No....Rogue One did!”
Late contender for best SJU moment!
For a year end special, you guys should release a collection of Dan's rants from 2019.
DAN RANT SUPERCUT!! YES!!
When a new movie told me that "Your old heroes are all loser and My new heroes are real heroes". Yeah it's kills franchise for me.
I was never on the Nolan hype-train when The Dark Knight Trilogy first released, but rewatching his original stuff before and after, especially Dunkirk and Interstellar that ended up being my favorites, is what made me truly appreciate his work.
let the Pre-Tapes begin!
- thanks screen junkies 🎄
Deep Space 9 had a satisfactory ending (IMO). The major conflicts were resolved and everyone moved on.
DS9 was a rare sci-fi series that, like Babylon 5, really was telling 1 overall story.
OMG worst ending to a show I have ever seen in my life. The bad guys commit insane atrocities. Literally killing millions of innocent people moments before the ending where they get off scott free. ARE YOU FLIPPING KIDDING ME!!! We are making Peace with literally space Nazi's and they get off with absolutely no consequence and we are supposed to think this is a good thing? What a major sell out of not only the espoused ideals of the Federation and the Franchise itself but a major FU to all the people who would have actually suffered in universe. Peace is a noble goal.... but not with literal Nazi's.
Odo, one of the main characters resolves his moral struggle by abandoning the person he loves and joining said bad guys.
Damar, one of the main antagonists who starts to undergo a heel face turn to undergo a redemptive arc (and is a standin for the redemptive arc of the Cardassian people in general) ends by..... randomly dying to stray gunfire minutes before the end to absolutely no affect and is never addressed or even so much as commented on.
That thing with Sisko and Dukat a the end was just.... nonsense. Actually the who thing with wormhole aliens that have "no concept of time" but can somehow speak to people which is literally requires a concept of time because you have to know that some sounds come before/after others, is just stupid. Actually Sisko in general is just the worst. First there was him stamping out the Maquis who where fighting for their freedom which is supposedly something the Federation stands for. Not to mention the federation abandoned them in the first place. Not to mention they where fighting one of the big bad factions that comes back to bite the federation. It's ugh. Then that whole thing with Sisko stopping SF intelligence from stopping the dominion and literally saving/freeing literally untold quadrillions of innocent people across half the universe because poison is..... shady or some s***. OMG give me a break. And a better captain.
Then you have the race that was taken over by parasites who somehow convinced and entire civilization to worship them as gods and compete for the "privilege" of sacrificing their lives to be their hosts with Dax.
I mean, I could go on forever. I just can't even with this show.
The Last Jedi killed that trilogy, not Star Wars as a whole.
Another good example of a director with a great eye but doesn't seem to understand what makes their thing work is Michael Bay. Someone did a video about it, about how Bay has _seen_ great movies, seen things in then that work beautifully, but doesn't understand _why,_ so he just goes overboard with it.
I think all these visually-oriented directors need a strong editor. Like how George Lucas' ex wife saved Star Wars in the edit.
People saying Zack Snyder’s film don’t have arcs or story is not paying attention. But hey, art is subjective as always. Respect
True. MoS and Bvs clearly had story arcs. I mean so many mad cause it wasn't "their Superman/Batman" that it's like they didn't see the story arc.
Dawn of the dead is the best film he has directed by far. I really like man of steel. The rest of his movies have been bad. As for no arc and story 300 has something to say about that. There is literally only 3 things that happen in that movie for plot points.
Heres a hot take.
GHOSTBUSTERS II is underrated due to the endless comparison to the lightning in a bottle the first film was. I understand its a sequel to that film, and its totally normal anD SHOULD be compared to the original. But its still a good solid entry into the franchise, and a good, FUN popcorn movie, the horror elements are done well, the comedic elements are done well, the effects were great (admittedly for the time not so much now), it had fun with the original without making fun OF the original, its rewatchable moreso than a LOT of modern movies. I just think its a better movie than most give it credit for.
I adore Ghostbusters II. I love it
It wasn't til social media that I realized GB2 wasn't super well regarded!!
It scared the shit out of me when I was growing up, just a painting of Slavic dude but still!!
I think the better questions is did THJ hurt the saga films... not kill SW overall
Nah.
Exactly I agree it was a BS question from the beginning.
Honestly before the Last Jedi I was so happy and excited for the Star Wars movies and after it killed my love for the new trilogy, I loved Rouge One and Solo though I thought they were super fun and entertaining for me 💕so no the Last Jedi didn’t kill Star Wars as a franchise but I think it really hurt the new trilogy and possibly killed it for others
Same
That should of been the question. Did the last jedi ruin the new trilogy.
I quite like The Last Jedi, and thankfully I only became aware of the negative opinions others' had on it after I was able to see it the first time. Two years later, and I still feel the same. And there's no shame in that! I don't think those who dislike it are necessarily "wrong" (though I find bandwagon hate particularly troubling), but I hate this idea that if you liked the film you're "wrong" or "not a real fan" or "tasteless." People immediately question you when you say you like it, rather than being like, "Cool! I'm glad you saw something you liked in it."
On the flip side, I was pretty meh about Rogue One. It was just okay to me. When I saw it in theaters, people clapped, and I was thinking, "Hmm I don't know if it was clap-worthy for me." But you know what? I don't consider myself "right" or look down upon people who like Rogue One. We just like different things from these movies!
Watchmen ended perfectly
Just had to get in one more video about the movie that must not be named before the end of the decade didn't you?
Stephen H. If it helps it’s most certainly not the last time it comes up in pre-tapes 🤠
"the movie that must not be named"
Barbed Wire?
T Electronix It is “Barb Wire.” Her character’s name is Barb. Barb Wire. They put a lot of thought into that. How dare you get it wrong? It is genius.
@@BokeemDR I apologise, the years of hypno-memory repression therapy have dulled my recollection of ......that film. 😐
The movie that must not be named? The devil inside? Cats? Keith Lemon The Film?
What a great panel. I love the OG(for me)of Joe,Dan,Spencer and Roth but I wouldn't mind seeing Billy's Hot Takes team here on a semi-regular basis. Hope you all had a wonderful break,holiday season and a good time with family.
I was pretty satisfied with Stargate SG1 and Atlantis finales.
@Roc Please.
If you're going to use the measure 'beyond awful' then that goes to most of SGU series 1.
@Roc "Not really"
Sorry but you don't get to bandy "beyond awful" about and have your comments taken seriously.
You don't like them? Great but 'beyond awful' is just hyperbolic.
Love this episode! Everyone meshed well and brought something to the discussion. Loved the in depth analysis of Zac Snyder and of the Ghostbusters movie.
The way you mischaracterise critics of the Last Jedi and subtly attack their character is very disappointing - was there even one person on the panel who represented the side who thought the film was bad, or at the very least mixed?
Well if the critics gave it 90% and it made a billion dollars from people watching it, then the few (vocal, angry) people who hate TLJ, overall, are just a small minority stoked up by these stupid channels.
And yeah, you're getting lumped in with those assholes but be mad at them - not the people who liked TLJ
Star Wars talk ends at 18:35
Only issue with the video. It is to short to cover the decade. And Dan wasn't there. I think Dan is a voice I would listen too until the cows came home. I don't own cows.
I agree. I mean I like the supporting members, but I really think that every video needs either Dan, Roth, Spencer, or Joe :/
Howard Clarke I cant be the only one who thinks something is off. I’ve been feeling it for a few months now where the energy is low, it’s just another day, another segment. There’s no more passion. I haven’t enjoyed watching them for a while, I’ve just been slogging through
We have 15 more episodes covering the decade including PLENTY of the main four cast
Dan would've been a good voice of reason particularly during the one-sided Last Jedi segment. It may not have killed Star Wars but it definitely killed the sequel trilogy.
This is what SJU should be. Just people talking about movies and t.v. I miss this.
Thank you
Liking TLJ is never a problem. If you like a film you like a film. My problem has always been with those that will avoid the discussion about problems of TLJ and just label others as infantile. To me TLJ has glaring problems, to the point that I consider it bad story-telling. That said, from someone who dislikes TLJ, Star Wars is DEFINITELY not dead :)
I disagree with the last jedi stuff with luke. The reason people don't like him, and that mark hamill didn't like, was that luke was literally the only person in the galaxy that believed darth vader could be redeemed. And now at the slightest hint of darkness in ben he tries to murder him in his sleep? It's not characteristic of him. Plus, he exiles himself for absolutely no reason effectively? I understand that people change over their lives, but they didn't put the work in to have those changes make sense.
A moment of weakness when you're sensing "snoke" inside your pupil is understandable but admittedly not very believable if we're talking about luke although it had been a long time. Failure and redemption was a key theme of that movie and his failure resulted in the fall of his jedi school and the creation of kylo ren which is ample reason for someone who already seemingly had cracks in his judgement, to go into exile for.
"And now at the slightest hint of darkness in ben he tries to murder him in his sleep?"
Why is it so hard for people to actually listen to what the movies say?
Luke, very clearly, says that he had sense darkness building in Kylo for years, and that it finally had gotten to the point where he felt he had to confront him, so he went to his tent to talk to him, only to realize he was much further gone than he could have ever imagined.
It's perfectly characteristic of the character, who has shown before that he is capable of losing his composure in the face of losing people he loved (cough cough Vader trying to turn Leia cough cough).
But I guess I forgot, once the dark side has tempted you once it can never tempt you again.
@@Geoffery_of_Monmouth really didn't get that at all from the film. It kinda feels like you made all of that up to fill in the gaps.
@@David-kd4qr Except that Luke literally says all that, so I'm not sure how I could have made it up when it's literally in the film.
@@Geoffery_of_Monmouth thank you! I don't get why so many people don't see this. And then everyone making he argument about Luke being an icon that was ruined, is literally what Luke says everyone wanted from him, to be some perfect hero. I feel like I am taking crazy pills!!!!
What you didn't like the last season of Game Of Thrones because they changed the personalities of the Characters & the Rules of the Universe, wow why does that sound familiar...Oh that's righ, The Last Jedi did the same thing.
So it's fine for You All to criticise G.O.T but We get called .....IST if We criticise The Last Jedi for the same reasons.
Lone Wolf Howling yes
@@Jurassicalien Yes, What?
Do You agree with what I'm saying, hence the Yes? Or do you mean Yes it's OK for You to criticise something & not be insulted But it's not OK for Us to criticise something like The Last Jedi & We just have to except the insults?
I agree with your GOT and Last Jedi comparison, I hadn’t really thought about it until you pointed it out like that
@@Marukiswife
Thank You I appreciate that, have a Wonderful Day/Night 😀
Christopher Nolan is the Beyoncé of cinema. I can see why people think they’re overrated but when you take a good look at their work, the body backs the hype
Marcus Middleton even if the work doesn’t exactly hit the mark, it takes a lot of balls to try to make an amazing experience for the audience and shake things up
I hope sju makes more episodes with these four in the panel. Great insights, well moderated, funny but not loud and annoying. They bonce off each other well
You’ll see this same panel on another episode later during the holidays!
Both Buffy and Angel ended more or less on their own terms and had great finales. The last season of GoT was rushed and was missing all the character development we got used to. At least we finally saw the dragons in all their glory.
Happy Sunday!!!
Happy day before Monday!
Not sure why SJU had people who don't know much about Game of Thrones and didn't even watch it giving their hot take on it
They've already had that discussion with Dan,Spencer n all when season 8 first aired and they read the books too. I didn't agree with it but meh that's life
I still don't like Last Jedi, but after Rise of Skywalker I appreciate the swings it takes.
Man, Cameron's laugh makes me so damn happy.
I believe that the fight scenes in the Dark Knight Trilogy were well crafted. There are some background goofs; but overall there are some memorable ones like the rooftop fight with Catwoman, Batman's fights against Bane and his final showdown with Joker.
Great episode!
An SJU on a Sunday? It's like Early Christmas! =D
"Ewoks are too cute then all of a sudden baby Yoda everywhere"
All of a sudden... Forty fucking years later
Let’s burn the Skywalker saga down one movie before the last movie in the saga! Yes that’s a brilliant idea.
Zack Snyder gave us 5 great minutes of Bat fighting out of however many hours of soul deadening crap
Salty Marvel fanboy
@@ghosthusler and proud of it!
Disagree with Ed about TLJ
The Force isn't for everyone. It's for people who are Force sensitive. But it was never limited to just the Skywalkers either. You implying that before TLJ it was, is just utterly silly. The Star Wars saga was about this family- the Skywalkers who had members that were thought to be chosen ones to bring balance to the Force.
It's okay that TLJ moves away from the traditional "hero's arc"
But this new trilogy was sold to us with the promise of a continuation of the original trilogy. A promise to see where Leia, Luke and Han ended up. We deserved to see them together for a little bit.
What's not okay about TLJ is how they completely misuse characters of the original trilogy and also don't give you nearly enough time to get to know the new characters or even let you like them enough to give a shit about their story. Kylo Ren was just a whiny teen with attention deficit.
They could have done something interesting with Finn's arc, but they didn't.
They tried to force some kind of relationship between Leia and Rey when there wasn't any.
There were better ways to get their new angle across without botching up the story.
Is it just me, or... does it feel that fandom entertainment no longer has passion. I don’t feel the energy anymore, all I hear is segments, talking points, just another show. I don’t enjoy listening to them anymore. I dare anyone to just go back a few months ago before they rolled back the movie fights to once a month. The energy died. I don’t think they enjoy this anymore. Or something happened. All I watch now is Dan break down the numbers now but even then, it’s a little worn down. Something’s off.
28:24 the reason people react so strongly is BECAUSE people have baggage. Of course they have baggage. Studios are digging up classics that people are attached to, and trying to remake and reboot franchises that DON'T NEED sequels, and are good enough that they don't need remakes. (Good enough because they were of their time. Some stories just don't work for this era)
They should let things be.
9 times out of 10 a remake won't work. Or even if it does, it might not connect with fans of the original
It just feels like Hollywood is shoving stale food into our mouths and getting mad and blaming audiences because they're spitting it out.
As for scifi series that ended on it's own note and wasn't canceled prematurely and was satisfying, that's definitely STARGATE SG-1. Very satisfying end to all characters and conclusion to a longest running scifi tv series at the time.
You guys need a podcast If you don't already have one.
Jesus, no, they most def do not need one.
Billy business! Ive missed him 😭☺️
Wow, just watched through the TLJ segment of this video and the hosts certainly didn't seem to get why people didn't like Luke's character in TLJ at all, they just went the complete superficial route. It wasn't that Luke had changed from when we last saw him in ROTJ, we all expected him to have changed over the last 30 years. But what pissed people off was that we didn't see what brought about that radical change in Luke. He goes from the only person who believed that Darth Vader could be redeemed, to thinking and attempting to kill his own nephew while said nephew was asleep. That is a massive change in Luke's character, and we aren't shown how or why that change comes about aside from a line or two of dialogue and about 15 secs worth of flashbacks. Instead we are taken on a pointless side quest to a casino for 20+ minutes, when that screen time could have been easily used to flesh out the reasons why Luke had changed so drastically. And besides, even in the EU, when Luke has several students fall to the Dark Side, he attempts to bring them back to the Light, he doesn't just immediately think about killing them.
I will agree that TLJ didn't kill Star Wars but it has wounded it significantly considering the last two films have either lost money (Solo) or look to have fallen short of expectations (TROS).
At no point did Luke try to kill Ben. Did you watch TLJ? Hell, Luke attempted to kill his father after his sister was threatened. Is it really that crazy that a more powerful Luke who is shown a future where Ben causes great suffering would consider for a brief moment of killing Ben to prevent that?
@@ThomasDailey Yes. Yes it is. Luke wanted to save his dad where leia thought it was a lost cause. Why didn't leia kill ben? That would of made more sense.
Last Jedi killed the trilogy
There are some that nailed the ending, as said TNG. But DS9's ending was amazing nearly perfect they managed to tell a complete story that had been building for seasons. I would also add SG-1 and Farscape (with including series ending movies/miniseries as part of it). They provided a good conclusion to their story arcs and characters.
80s Ghostbusters looked New York, starting a business sci-fi-blue collar flick.
Lady Ghostbusters was generic cartoonish comedy, similar to Ghostbuster2 flick.
Both had great talent, especially Hemsworth who was really funny.
Well 80s New York and 10s New York are very different in like every way. I lived in New York when this came out, seemed pretty accurate to me. I just was sick of the Melissa Mccarthy Paul Feig movies. It's fine and it undeniably had a big effect on young girls and that is super cool.
If anyone asks me in the future for an example of the statement that those who can't do something, become critics, I will point them right here. So, thanks for the quality content.
Everyone on that panel is a writer or producer not a critic but thanks for playing!
@@fandomentertainment Hopefully they will do a bit more background researching in their work than what some of them did in this particular video.
Severely disagree with your take on Last Jedi. (Yeah, I know...shocking!!-lol)
The force has always been available to the common-Anakin began as a slave. The main series was just a story focused on this very unique period and this family's influence. There has always been room for more.
Your question, in specific, is No, Star Wars continues but Last Jedi derailed the newest trilogy and it did damage to the overall cannon which is the understructure for all future stories in this universe.
Galaxy's Edge only proves one thing -- Disney World/Disneyland is expensive. I'd love to go, but it would probably run be $3,000 before even getting into buying light sabers or fancy coke cans.
Lindsay M.H. My beef is that its a SW theme park for a series of 9 + movies and is only about/set during two films of the last trilogy. No prequel of OT things just only sequel trilogy stuff, seems like a lot of wasted potential. No Pod Racing VR ride for example.
100% plus everything is a up charge.
@@AloisWeimar I honestly won't be shocked if they expand it as time goes on, and I can also understand focusing on stuff the largest number of /kids/ is apt to recognize. Are there any remaining licensing issues between OT/prequels when it comes to theme parks? I genuinely don't know and I wonder what they're saving for that hotel they're building. Everything I've heard from people who have been there is that it was a great experience.
@@Rooster832 And I won't lie -- I'd buy the crap out of some of the toys they sell there if they were available outside of the park. It seems like they have a fair bit of cool stuff there. I'm just not in a position to go.
What’s worse is how much it increases each year. The problem is even with price increases that are much more than inflation, attendance isn’t affected much. I’m not against Disney charging what it wants, but at the same time I don’t want it to be a luxury only for the rich, or a lot of saving or credit card debt. I don’t think there’s an easy solution, but I wish Disney would try to find one.
The overall reaction you came to, even though you didn't mention it, is that people enjoy quality production, acting, direction, and writing. There are no movies/shows that do these things well and have hate/bad reactions from fans. Its difficult to make movies and television but these four items are all equally important. All the fan hate/backlash is because at least one of these items was taken for granted/just plain bad/not given the effort it deserved. Most of it is due to really bad writing. Because there are a lot of talented producers, actors, and directors......but there is a real dearth of quality writers in Hollywood.
Kinda wanna look more but as they mentioned on here the guy who wrote bvs and justice league was also given rise of skywalker. Thought about it in terms of friendship/ nepotism but maybe you're right and there's not good writers. Or the good writers get pushed aside
I loved the Aladdin tv show. I really loved how it expanded the world and gave Jasmine a chance to shine. I wonder why Billy didn't like it.
suuuper fun group of people, loved them hot takes
The screen shot for the video is of Game of Thrones and you have a person who doesn’t care and another who didn’t watch it. Come on. Also bold move making fun of nerds of a show you don’t like when you’re a huge nerd Ed.
Indicators that your series was doomed critically this decade:
1. When you rush to assemble all your A-list superheroes in a crossover before properly introducing half of them.
2. When you rush to finish a complex show that constantly expanded its scope...by skipping over pivotal character arcs.
3. When you rush to release crucial, experimental episodes of a brief trilogy every 2 years without a general narrative plan.
I love inception and it's my second sneak in theater my first sneak in was The Dark Knight but Christopher Nolan is really a legendary filmmaker and the best IMAX director and yesterday I saw Tenet exclusive scene and I was mind blown.
Jonathan Ortega I’m so jealous you got to see a scene from TENET - can’t wait for this film
@@eshna2012 not sure if there's a IMAX theater in your nearest location but not sure if you go to see Rise of Skywalker in IMAX but it's there.
The New Ghostbusters definitely going to be a continuation from the first 2 films especially the first one and the hints of it is already there with Ivo Shandor to Ecto plasma gue etc. Ivo Shandor is the architect that Harold Ramis' character Egon mentioned when he and his teammates were in prison describing the building Weaver's character lives at is a doorway for the entities to come to the real world. You see the Shandor mining sign which says more ghosts are going to emerge from that mine. With the Rise of Skywalker Rey to me is like the codex like Kal-El in Man of Steel.
Building the mythology around Ivo Shandor was what they already did in the 2009 video game (which is imho fantastic, by no small feat because of the expanded mythos), so it would have both precedent and sort of a blueprint.
@@ErmenBlankenberg Now would be the perfect time to expand on the Ivo Shandor storyline.
Guys like this saying oh they took away the laser swords and chosen one narrative thats not it cause the force has always been in others all through the galaxy but not all become jedi. The issue is that luke skywalker is that hes an icon and for most ,we didn't like him being miss handled i don't care how u spin it, thats my opinion. U really can't tell me after watching this trilogy was ever a plan and for me the story and characters matter. Still love star wars just not this trilogy.😎
"we didn't like him being mishandled"
That is your opinion and you saying 'that is what most people thought'.
Lots liked the film, lots didn't and in both cases for a bunch of reasons.
@@telectronix1368 i know there many reasons why people liked , loved and even hated that movie i just gave u 1 and like i said characters and story matter and in my opinion this was a bad story period and looks great and has great moments but dissappointing.
Billy’s stance on lady ghostbusters also rings true for Star Wars.
Christopher Nolan is one of the best filmmakers of all time. In my opinion, at least.
Is SJU on Sundays now?!!
Pretape
Yup pretape episodes every day until back to normal M-F schedule starting January 6th :D
@@fandomentertainment "M-F" 😂😂
@@MGP2210 took me a minute, haha.
You guys definitely deserve a vacation, and I love and appreciate the pre-tapes, but maybe trying to tackle the legacy of TLJ when the next movie is coming out between when you tape and when it airs is a Holdo maneuver too far...
Quantum Leap had the saddest (but good) ending
I only started getting into Christopher Nolan two weeks ago. I have seen 4 of his films so far (The Prestige, Inception, Interstellar, and Dunkirk). Interstellar is hands down my favorite. I loved everything about it. So I’m shocked finding out people don’t care for it.
@Marcus Middleton Definitely plan on watching all of them.
I'm one of those people. I guess I just didn't get what he was trying to do with that movie. Couldn't relate to his family or to this version of Earth. idk I wouldn't watch it again
For me Insterstellar is so grounded in fun and interesting science and the search for the truth for 3/4 of the film but then does a complete 180 with the love is the 4th dimension stuff which completely threw me off. Mcconaughey has such a weird relationship with his kids he loves murph but hates casey affleck, then he gets to the future sees murph on her death bed then instead of meeting his family goes right imma head out to find anne hathaway.
@@TheSubZer0HEro I guess that's where we differ because the 4th dimension stuff is what put it over the top for me. It's why I ended up loving the movie. I also wouldn't say he hates Casey's character. He just has deeper connection with Murphy due to their similarities and love for science, etc. Not meeting his family didn't really bother me because she told him to leave and finish his mission (find the new "Earth") which is where Brand was at. Plus none of them seemed to eager to meet him either. It's gotta be weird being the same age as what is probably your great grandfather.
Wow, diving straight into Chris Nolan. BALLSY haha
Best sci-fi tv series finale is still Babylon 5.
You mean the Finale of Season 4... or the Finale of that season which shall not be mentioned?
@@DSzaks Season 5 had the best Londo stuff outside of an elevator though
DS9 ended perfectly on their own terms.
the thing of it is for me with Nolan is I don't think he's made a straight up "bad" movie but you just might like some more or less than other
The Nolan discourse mostly stems from the unwavering idolization that his fans have, they hold him in such high regard which troubles them when someone has issues with any of his movies. I think my main gripe with his films is the often rushed or incoherent endings that are either idiotic (dark knight rises) or downright frustrating (interstellar). You get the "your just not smart enough" reaction to disliking a lot of his endings and that's why I stand by my opinion that Nolan is great but his fans suck.
I get where you're coming from. I feel the same way about star wars. I love it but sometimes fans can be alot. To say it mildly. Lol.
@@kylebookout1789 you're definitely being very mild in saying star wars fandom sucks. I do think the internet amplifies the opinions of the minority though, plenty of casual star wars fans are happy people.
As much as I love most of his films and defend some of them (like TDKR), I understand that many of his fans can be extremely patronizing.
"He can boring up anything" TRUTH
Nolan is a flavor. Not one I particularly enjoy but different strokes...
And I dare anyone to try and prove that The Last Jedi made “anyone can use the Force” a thing.
In one word Rey, in The Last Jedi it is explicitly stated that Her Parents were Nobodies, meaning She does not have Jedi or Sith ancestry & I know what You are going to say, what about Her Grandparents, well firstly that was not in The Last Jedi & secondly even if Her Parents were the Children of Jedi or Sith they would still be Somebodies not Nobodies.
Then We have the Broom Boy, maybe He has Jedi or Sith ancestry but the scene in the movie is clearly there to show, even a Slave who came from nothing can have Force powers & yes they are trying to say He is like Anakin in that way but We know were Anakin got His Force sensitivity from, We don't know were Broom Boy got His Force Powers from but We do know from the tone of the movie, how & why He had them, Because Anyone Can.
@@lonewolfhowling7796 Sure, but why do people talk like TLJ established that when it was more than already obvious. Made Windu wasn't a Skywalker, Kit Fisto wasn't a Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano wasn't a Skywalker, Kanan Jarrus wasn't a Skywalker....
@@marcarsenault7585
I'm not saying everyone has to be a Skywalker but I know that Windu is of the Korunnai Clan a Bloodline that is Force Sensitive, so His Parrents were & Grandparents & so on.
As for the others I can't say I know their ancestry well enough but since it has been established that Midichlorians are inherited making genetics the key determinant in one’s fate, as it pertains to Force Powers it makes sense that the other Character do Or rather should have Force Sensitive Ancestors, either Jedi or Sith, where as it has been established in The Last Jedi that Rey has no Force Sensitive ancestors ( Her Parents were Nobodies ) which is how The Last Jedi made it so anyone can use Force Powers, which is what I find distasteful about that movie.
Ed Greer is gonna talk about Marvels A team of directors and not mentiont Taika? For shame.
Buffy has a perfect ending, or at least one most people love. And I’d say that a LOT of “didn’t stick the landing” endings are the exact same as GoT where the creators sooner or later admit they started without a clear idea of how to end.
My favorite hot takes debates are the ones where all the panelists pretty much agree on every point. :P
As someone that likes the last Jedi, I think Ed is completely wrong about why people don’t like it. Lol
I love Vanessa’s earrings!!
Vanessa! How do you feel about the pie crusts on Pushing Daisies? Did it bother you in Waitress that they made pies with creamy fillings and didn’t blind bake the crust first? Why aren’t there more shows/movies about pie!?
Can we watch Galaxy Quest documentary on Google movies, Windows, TH-cam, etc?
Yes lots of links in the description
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Rohan Sharma Apologies about that! If you’re able to go through Vimeo I’m told that should work for all countries if you’re able to go through that -
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@ Cameron: Do you think Babylon 5 had a good ending, regarding the first 4 seasons and the last episode of season 5?
Y'all need to do a review on the Witcher. It's amazing and we need a Season 2, 3, 4, 5, forever till the end of time!
This is what happened. You guys bashed DC to the ground. When DC was out of the picture a vacuum was left. Star Wars filled that vacuum and got bashed. Now you are soo sensitive when that energy is coming against something you love. The last Jedi killed the Skywalker saga.
thank you Ed for saying that about GOT, someone had to.
pair snyder with marc bernardin
Anyone who thinks NOLAN is an overrated film maker clearly knows NOTHING about film making. You can like or dislike the stories, but they are all immaculately made. Objectively they are well made films.
Most the jedi in the movie series come from no bodies
Please forgive me for this short rant...but if I may drop my thoughts for a moment...my "hot take" if you will...
The Last Jedi didn't kill Star Wars. But it defiantly was the metaphorical ice burg that sunk this particular trilogy's narrative. Ryan Johnson was the problem with The Last Jedi, not Kathleen Kennedy. (Not entirely.) He completely ignored what was best for the story in lieu of doing what HE WANTED to do. He did that A LOT in his film.
1. He dismissed the Knights of Ren even though they were set up to be something important.
2. He had Kylo say that Ray was a nobody regardless of the fact that it was insinuated otherwise via her touching Luke's lightsaber for the first time giving her force visions that were DIRECTLY RELATED to him.
3. He dismissed Snoke as a nobody (even though he was an Emperor-level Sisth Lord) and he turned Huxley into a joke for no reason causing JJ to bring in ANOTHER Huxley-like character to make up for it.
4. He ignored Finn's force sensitivity (being that he was able to use a lightsaber with enough skill to hold his own against Kylo Ren for a minute or so completely untrained) and decided instead to make him the comic relief Jar Jar of the film and he also ignored his obvious romantic interest in Ray and threw Rose in and tried to force a sudden romance where there was none, once again, for no reason.
5. He ignored Captain Phasma's obvious importance to Finn and killed her off seemingly only because the audience wanted something more from her.
6. He COMPLETELY retconed the fact that accoeding to TFA Ben had rebelled against Luke unprovoked, burned his academy/school to the ground and killed all of the students who wouldn't follow him and instead in TLJ, he made Ben's turn to being Kylo all Luke's fault...for thinking about assassinating him????
7. He completely disregarded Maz Kanata and neglected to move her backstory forward.
I could seriously go on and on, but the fact of the matter is that it seems to me like Ryan had some resentment for everything that TFA tried to set up and he just wanted to tear it all down just for the sake of it.
"Destroy the past."
Even if there was no plan in place for Star Wars (which is HIGHLY unlikely seeing as how it's the most bankable IP since the Bible and Disney spent $4B to acquire it) Ryan had a responsibility to continue the story that was being told IN SERVICE OF THE SERIES THAT WAS BEING MADE. If he were doing his own take on Star Wars from the beginning, that would be one thing. But this was a trilogy that was part of a larger anthology. And to the absolute determent of the overall arc, he insisted on ignoring his duty as a director and doing his own angry thing. (I use the word "angry" because after his tweet/instagram/whatever upload of him holding up a sign to the fans saying "Your Snoke theory sucks", it's the only logical takeaway I can draw...that he was either angry at the fans, at J.J., at the IP or a combination of all three.)
I've no idea why Disney and Kennedy allowed Johnson to take the property so far afield when we all KNOW that he had to run his ideas by the House of Mouse before his script was approved and we KNOW that the board of directors along with Kennedy were allowed to see the film and its relation of the larger narrative before it was released. Its uncharacteristic for Disney to allow something so against the grain that rocks the boat so much. Than much can be seen in how it's handled the majority of its live action remakes. Almost always safe; almost always beat-for-beat what the majority of audiences will likely accept.
I have so many feelings and The Last Jedi is just baffling to me.
Also, as a final personal pet peeve of mine with Johnson's movie...DAN WAS %100,000 CORRECT in the Rise of Skywalker spoiler review. And what he said was something I've said ever since TLJ was still in theaters. The "Mary Poppins Leia" scene should never have happened and the Holdo Maneuver should not be a thing. I think that most of us believed that Leia was going to die in the second film and that Luke would likely die in the third...or in the second film after PHYSICALLY confronting Kylo to aid Ray in a "If you strike me down" moment mirroring Obi Wan's sacrifice in A New Hope. Ryan played with this by having Luke die (unceremoniously) in the second film and faking out Leia's death. Hindsight being 20/20 in the wake of Carrie Fisher's tragic passing, it would have been better (for both the overall story and what became Fisher's legacy) if Johnson, since he'd put the characters in the position in the first place, had allowed Leia to make the suicide run. I can think of no more epic or memorable way for Leia to have left the franchise. Basically, the lightspeed run should have come to be known by the fans as the Organa Maneuver.
Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
How can you guys make a video about hot takes and not have Roxy on the show?
Had to have at least her or Ed
IKR!
I’ve watched every Nolan film over 5 times except Dunkirk, have no desire to see that again.
Marcus Middleton ah yes I actually forget about those two 😂 I still need to see those actually, so technically I lied.
Buffy ended well on its own terms. Not perfect, but definitely not the hate/fail of all the other sci-fi/fantasy shows mentioned
Denni Wintyr I adored the Buffy finale. Am I a minority there ?
Tom Lazorik I did too, but there were a number of people on the “it was ok” side of things. Doesn’t seem to get worse than that, though
Denni Wintyr glad it’s not too toxic! Honestly, it was the perfect wrap up for me. And I loved the entire series
SG-1 and Atlantis both had good to decent endings. B5 also ended (almost) perfectly.... if you pretend the season 5 doesn't exist, which I do. Clone Wars was ok too.
Trying to think of sci-fi shows that ended well and all I can think of is Babylon 5.
Hottest takes with the hottest Sally's! 1st!
The question should be, Did the last jedi kill the skywalker saga? and the answer is yes.
The problem with 2016 ghostbusters is, it was like the manatee Family Guy writers from South Park came up with the concept of the movie.
Ghostbusters+ladies+Paul Feig.
The all lady cast directed by Paul Feig (or maybe even another lady) should’ve been it’s own movie, and the ghostbusters reboot should‘ve been an entirely different movie (it can also have ladies...just so nobody thinks I’m sexist)
I think ghostbusters 2016 is hot garbage because it doesn’t take the ghosts seriously, and it goes from four people riffing to ghost busting.
If the time spent ghost busting was spent in a more normal situation where the characters have scripted dialog that forms some sort of narrative structure. Well, that’s a movie, and probably an enjoyable one at that.
I can't disagree with everything you guys are saying anymore then I do... Wow some of us that are a little older waited our entire lives to see the Luke Skywalker we remembered and I don't know if you kids can grasp that. The last Jedi was absolutely the biggest let down. It killed this trilogy for me