The Florida Condo Collapse
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- It will be some time before forensic engineering teams determine the cause of the failure of the Champlain Towers in Surfside, Florida, but speculation is that the building was not constructed according to specifications and contained less than the required amount of rebar. If true, there will be a major shift in the way construction projects are inspected and in the way that older structures are maintained and re-certified. Costs will be significant, and which stakeholders will bear that expense has yet to be determined. One solution may be highly penetrating inspection technologies look inside reinforced concrete for flaws, but these technologies are too expensive for routine use. Development of lower cost, highly portable systems could save many lives as American infrastructure ages in the 21st century.
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This building had ground water flooding into the underground parking garage for years, sometimes over a foot of water. That had to have have caused serious degradation of the whole foundation system, and this was never addressed, other than pumping the water out. The garage ceiling had serious spalling, and water leaks that residents were complaining about that were getting on their cars. There were a lot of warnings on this building, that were basically ignored.
Just me, or did he add nothing more to the conversation?🤔
This was a total disheartening waste of time.
They should drop the special effects and talk about the development of the facts.
Nothing
Not one thing and some things are wrong. How many views did this clickbait get?
“What the mass media wont tell you “ lmao
HUH ? the media hides all kinds of things Where ARE YOU?????
@@claycoates5056 this guy said nothing, nothing that could have been considered that the mass media was hiding from us, he offered up no new information about the collapse, Where ARE YOU?
@@roddiener thank you for the Come Back Why I'm Here !!
They dont tell you where to buy dope. Usually.
Missing a CRITICAL factor....
If there had been shear separation between the deck slab and the building, then the failure of the deck slab would not have transmitted into the building. A double set of columns, plus other design elements, would have accomplished that safety feature. The tower that did NOT collapse, had the shear separation.
So, DESIGN is beginning to seem to be the biggest factor from a lon-term perspective.
Who pronounces project as pro-ject with the long O sound? Only this guy that's who.
There were numerous area of spaulling , reported, so this seems to be a fake vid. Probably to get company publicity on social media
There were alot of factors that brought this building down! The whole building was falling apart. Poor maintenance and ignorance from the condo management!
You know the CMAR on this project is having sleepless nights right now.
I believe this is what you get when you have a grounds keeper in charge of maintenance.
Concrete rarely fails in compression. Shear is it’s enemy. Follow the shear you’ll find the answer
You heard that from a Jeffostroff video. Cuz I heard it there too, word for word 🕵
@@Scott-got-caught he read it just like you
Punch through shear is the worst. (I don't know what that is because the media won't tell me).
@@BostonMark I didn't read it I heard it...from his lips to my ears. As did you.
@@Scott-got-caught sorry but your mistaken I posted my understanding of concrete to share with you and anyone else including someone who makes TH-cam videos if they choose to use my words in their videos it doesn’t bother me. Why should it bother you
Why is the hurricane in reverse at 1:42. The clip would be of the same length if run correctly. Thanks
Such an upbeat tone of voice! I'm impressed. I'd have a hard time myself keeping my voice that peppy and joyful while speaking about this tragedy. I think I might say it more seriously, but maybe the knowledge of the views coming in was just a bit too much to handle.
Correction: took the lives of 98 people.
Electrolysis used on rebar but defective concrete was the structural cause of failure.
According to an architect I watched in Spanish, who got the blueprints, he noticed that the way the iron was connected inside the concrete, it didn´t have a great stability... so after so many years and the issues that happened in the basement, the columns didn´t resist anymore...
@@lauruguayitausa Anytime concrete is poured that is not mixed correctly and with good ingredients it is bound to fail. Somehow electricity was getting to the rebar too which only made the rate of failure to increase at a much faster rate. From the structural view that too was not up to standards. However there was far too much visible damage that when seen by inspectors should have signaled a red flag that was obviously ignored. That building should have been condemned long before the collapse until a suitable repair was put into place. Appears to me someone failed to do their job and report it as urgent which ended in total collapse and overwhelming uncalled for deaths.
@@whip205inthebam3 most likely
Lack of maintenance and greed
Estatements on steel deterioration was done. The people fought over money so nothing was done for 3 years. It failed because no one gave a dam, city ,state or residents. And back seat wannabes should shut up and learn facts.
Yep, mostly the HOA, meaning THE OWNERS!!!
Period
Reports even show the HOA was more interested in making the outside of the building look better
@@csnb2002 Spend a lot of money on marble in side, and kitchens. But on there cable, phone, electrical was there the day it was built. Well doesn't matter anymore it's gone or they died, no inspection so insurance won't pay.
@ HOLD your breath and read fine print, Get good lawyer because if they do it might not be for along time, still doing settlement from andrew. Read the portion on inspection real good. They do not have the 40 year inspection.
@ But not completed or signed off. buy a new car and don't change the oil and when it breaks down what is dealer going to say. The same as insurance companies " guess it fail so would of the inspection. P.S, notice the wall to the left, where are the bolts???
His nose whistles when he speaks and it’s very distracting lol
Was Champlain Towers a time share facility? Was it always or did it become one later in it's 40yr life?
Mixed use. They were leasehold properties, and most were permanent residents, but a few units were owned by corporations.
Josh/Building Integrity ran the math after the drawings got modded (modified).
I believe it was AT 100% load rate. That's bad. So what was said here about bring bring many times what is needed isn't right.
The garage had stronger columns because of the cars. Might have stayed up if the rest did. Those bits that punched through the pool deck were laughable.
What do you mean, No evidence of widespread spalling? Really? Did you see the same videos the rest of us did?? Building Integrity?
Also, please moderate your channel/comments from insane misinformation.
Would alundum rebar be feasible, or galvanized to stop curation !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I’m a window contractor... us and the roofers are the only people who know anything about waterproofing. I see HOAs doing dumb shit allllll the time. Like hiring the grass guy to install planters.
You certainly seem to have wildly overstated the death toll. 97 seems the total, not the 160 you stated.
I don't think they know how many people were killed. Count changes everyday!
You talk very very quickly, borders on difficult to understand you. Seems informative, but slow down the talking.
I’m American, but people who have English as a second language won’t understand you.
Slow playback speed down. 3 dots. Right top. You're welcome.
This is not a video
I’m not sure what the intent of this video was there was no useful info no groundbreaking changes from the press no even a semicomplete synopsis of what happened, complete ignorance of the documentation posted by the city it looks like it was more to get high viewing numbers by the name of the video.
Gravity, your welcome......
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You mentioned that the forensic engineers had not completed their investigation. Yesterday (July 17) I saw a video that the chief forensic engineer of this crime scene was not allowed by any of the authorities in charge to examine any evidence. This was the forensic engineer that had been in charge of the Pentagon investigation after 9/11. He finally left. I don't think there is any actual forensic investigation at the crime scene (which is what it is being called). It actually appears to be a coverup.
Well , he is hired by Miami and has been blocked by federals .He has a bit of conflict of interests there . If will be a federal coverup we will see depending on it the level of idiocracy in US because it's enough information in public space already to form a very acurate picture (not perfect ofc , but pretty acurate ) . Short version a adequated but flawed design got destroyed by "rain" because of high maintenance costs . The parking roof concrete got wet , spalled , got weak , collapsed and pulled the main suporting colums . Everything else is secondary . More rebar would only prolonged the life of the building , also valable for more punchthrough reinforcements , as long as the deck is perma wet and tied to the main colums the deck will collapse will bring it down . There is blame to asign to lack of garage maintenance but this is in hindsight , nobody would have thought that the garage roof would collapse and worse , bring all the building after it . Most interesting will be the action towards safing the sister buildings knowing this .
There was one older man that survived the collapse thst said they asked for over ive hundred thousand thst he paid to repair the building. I don’t know how many others they had asked for money. Maybe everyone was asked I don’t know. The finance guy said they had 800 thousand in a reserve acct. I would guess it’s for building maintenance. But I don’t know about condos so I can’t say.
I do think this, avd it’s just what I think cause I don’t know. Who would have ever thought a pool deck weakness would have brought down that much of the building? I sure wouldn’t, but that’s me.
I wouldn’t have ever thought the building would get so out of repair.
So much for my 2cents. It’s not even worth that much. Lol
I felt a huge cringe when I heard thst creaking noise. It was in the video of the camera inside thst one condo thst had a camera in it. Thst noise Just made me feel awful. I was in a home collapse in a storm one time. Thst moan it made is sickening cause I remember that noise. I was lucky cause i was the only one in it when the storm hit. I broke my back in three places. Beams came down on me. My husband and my father in law got me out but I knew my back was broken. I was 21 yrs old. Thst was 50 yrs ago but I’ll never forget thst moan sound. It is a horrible to hear. It scared me then and it came right back as soon as I heard that on that video. It was only a two story house , fortunately for me there wasn’t anything on the second story above me. It was a exposed beAm room all the way to the top. The back of the house had the rooms on the back. So when it started to moan I had no idea it would come down. It was a big A frame house, only the front rooms in the front collapsed. Fact only the living room area. I was young and I had large rollers in my hair so when the beam hit my head the rollers took the hit and mashed them flat. So I was extremely fortunate. But the break in three places on my back I was still blessed cause it didn’t damage nerves so I am not Paralized. Even the paramedics said so. The main thing is that my husband wasn’t in the house. He was next door. At my FILs house. My little brother kin laws went to tell them the house had fallen. The house wasn’t totally completed. I was in it painting. It was on our property on the family ranch. Like I said I was extemely blessed. They had gone next door when the storm hit and were gettivg more stuff for the house. The storm and wind hit so fast they would have been back in a very few minutes.
We have earthquakes here but still, it seems like I put about as much rebar per area of structure in the six foot high wall around the yard that I built and the code required it. I don't see how even a one story building, especially one where people live, could have so little rebar but I also don't know how much more we've added to a standard structure to try to get it to withstand earthquakes.
Let's see why the forensic engineer is not given access to property. Cover-up
The guess is if he isn't given access, it is because he was hired by the City of Surfside - and the City of Surfside may be involved in the upcoming litigation.
@@sassylady2001 every time that woman got on TV it felt like she was sweeping corpses under the rug before confirming they are dead.
The deck foundation was damaged by dump trucks hauling beach sand and work on the sidewalk causing the bearing of the deck to collapse. This damaged a few beams with along with a windy night cause to building to isolate and fall.
This is a really good point. Beach sand is illegal to use in Florida in construction because the sand is corrosive due to the salt content. I have been wondering if it was used either in this building or under the deck. I'm sure the engineering company would have known this is illegal.
@@HeleneLouise What I meant was trucks hauling sand for beach re nourishment vibrated the foundation for the end of the deck. but as an ex inspector I wouldn't put anything past contractors.
You're making bold assumptions there buddy. Why don't you join the forensic engineering team. They may want your armchair detective opinion 🤣😂🤣🕵
@@Scott-got-caught The moment from Champlain collapse of the deck to the column = wL2/12 could have been up to 75,000 ft lbs.
@@HeleneLouise I have been hearing people say that that the company that built those two buildings are no where to be found.
It doesn’t help that 80% of Americans are obese. I saw a video of families being evacuated and the entire family were candidates for my 600lb life. ALL obese. Everything comes into play!
Yes, they need to double the strain load when building these things.
I hate this bashing of the mainstream media. These are no experts on a topic, the experts must talk to them and explain.
No. They need to shut up until they have facts.
A lot of it falls on Safty to the overlook critical stuff just to get the job done on time so they can make money in their pockets I know I’m in construction have been for 26 years I know what they do OSHA be reliable for that too!!
Buildings must be build away from the beach and more steel must be used!🕵👷🤔
Please see Building Integrity.
Very interesting video. Very well thought out and accurate. I am a civil engineer and have been watching all the videos, looking at the plans. and reading all the articles since the day of the collapse. You bring up a valid point about not jumping to conclusions and trying to identify a single reason for an event such as this. In my opinion it was a combination of about a dozen different factors. A combination of compounding errors that lead to the collapse. If I listed and explained in detail all the factors in my mind that I thought contributed I would be typing all day….LOL!
construction method ... rebar instead of beam...? nearby salt water indrawn by fresh water well pumping ? .. not bedrock supported ...?
@@duggydugg3937 They are all valid issues that you have brought up.
@@PaulJersey
remember the fla univ bridge collapse ? wonder if similar shortcomings are at work Here
@@duggydugg3937 That was a simple truss design error. This one is a lot more complex. A lot more factors like lack of maintenance over a 40 year period, etc.
@@PaulJersey
a design error in both cases
A Crane smashed down on top of the Champagne tower South in 1980 Cracking the foundation
No, it didnt.
@@BigHenFor Is it broken to 7 different pieces on top of the concrete slab come on .... If I take a 200 pound sludge hammer I guarantee I can crack almost anything ... Is that Crane had a 60,000 pound capacity and it flipped over and smashed on top of the slab It flipped over because It was overweighted So do the math .... And yes in 1980 South champagne tower had a Crane flip over.... That is a fact....
@@andy6041 so it waits 40 years to fall...? That doesn't make sense. Buildings fall right away.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 It took 40 years to decay enough to be compromised ... If it wasn't on the beach I would agree with you if it wasn't subjected to saltspray I would agree with you.... If it didn't get hit by a hurricane's I would Agree with you. That it doesn't make sense.... Did they use incorrect PS I's for the concrete absolutely ..... In a wall fell on the top of the parking garage in 2005 in the same vicinity as the original Crane strike.. i have 15 + buildings in my career that would have never happened any of my buildings..
water Wells cause salt water to be drawn in ?
Upgraded Renovations of the condos when people move in . Condos were not built to hold new renovations . Either or
Yes lord all this open concept knocking down walls. We have HGTV to thank for that.
nice bunch of empty platitudes
What?? it was do it's 40 year inspection. Estimated cost for sagging pool deck as well as the new supports was given. estaments or
"Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan."
That cracked me up.🤣
So did this one:
Ron DeSantis is selling 'Don't Fauci My Florida' shirts, with his actual name on it.
At this rate, he should try 'We Don't Need No Building Codes in My Florida"
Just to make his orphan-hood complete. And fast!
You continue to post moronic comments.