Deadly Nudge | China Eastern Airlines Flight 583

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    China Eastern Airlines Flight 583 was a China Eastern Airlines flight from Hongqiao Airport, Shanghai, to Los Angeles International Airport, Los Angeles.
    On April 6, 1993, the McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 was cruising above the Pacific Ocean at Mach 0.84 when a crew member accidentally deployed the slats near the Aleutian Islands. The plane then encountered severe oscillations and made an emergency landing at Shemya Air Force Base in Shemya, Semichi Islands, Alaska, United States.
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  • @franklee7708
    @franklee7708 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Thanks for recreating the history of MU583. I was passenger sitting at seat 31G with my then-girlfriend at 31H. She wasn't wearing seat belt and had her head slammed into the cabin above several times. Luckily I had mine on and was able to pin her down to the seat and against the window eventually. Otherwise, I wouldn't have my two kids and their mom today.

  • @TheTraveler976
    @TheTraveler976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    Wow Joshua you did it. My dad was passenger on this flight, I was 7 years old and recall my mom screaming in the phone asking my dad was he alright while he was in the Alaska. Thankfully he was but received a broken arm due to the severe oscillations. He told us it was like a wild uncontrollable roller coaster and chaos in the cabin, from the pictures I saw it was terrifying to say the least. It was sad as two people died and he knew one of them he was traveling with on business. He said people were tossed around like rag dolls. I dedicate this video to my dad Lamont J Williams 1951-1998.

    • @Kawaiigirl8898
      @Kawaiigirl8898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      My dad was also on that plane... I wasn't even born yet... Luckily he is alright though...

    • @cherripaterson6066
      @cherripaterson6066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      wow your dad was on that flight. i would have been terrified too. im glad your dad survived. ive been on many planes in my life. but sometimes i wonder if id fly again.

    • @alvaroakatico9188
      @alvaroakatico9188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Cherri Patson You need to stop watching these videos if you’re ever to fly again. I’m done with flying, the only thing closer to an emergency in my house is if the cat attacks my little dogs.

    • @mofleh177
      @mofleh177 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alvaroakatico9188 I've been away from airplanes for quite sometime now, but sometimes I worry what if a stricken plane falls and crash on my house!!

    • @Dog.soldier1950
      @Dog.soldier1950 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The most danger on a flight is the trip to the airport

  • @ckookiemonster
    @ckookiemonster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    My grandpa was on that flight. I remember my mom got the call to fly to Alaska to get him. And I will never forget seeing his face when he was in the hospital in LA. all bloddied up

    • @richardwells7347
      @richardwells7347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      wow!! I was actually stationed at Shemya AFB when this flight came in. We were tasked with clean up and assistance. The passengers were terrified. What a horrible sight. I had never seen seats and cabinets ripped out of an aircaft. That day horrifies me til this day and we talking 30yrs ltr. The ceilings were completely covered in blood. I absolutely never fly without wearing a seat belt.

    • @stevemc01
      @stevemc01 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardwells7347 how fates intertwine tend to interest me...
      I hope your grandpa (ckookie) recovered from that incident many years ago and you too (richard).

  • @davidramirez199
    @davidramirez199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    I worked on that aircraft after that incident. A group of mechanics from the company I was working for, went along with Medonald Douglas technicians to make sure the aircraft was airworthy to fly again.In short, I had never seen so much blood from people being thrown against the ceiling.It definitely made me a believer of using seat belts.

    • @stefanpigford6891
      @stefanpigford6891 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sometimes it helps

    • @bravoRYT2018
      @bravoRYT2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bruh the periods. YOU’RE GIVING LINKS!

    • @supernobody9000
      @supernobody9000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carpet Hooligan Not the punctuation that was in issue, rather a lack of spaces

  • @michaelallen1396
    @michaelallen1396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I boarded this aircraft to let the caterers de-cater the aircraft in LAX on it's way to Douglas Aircraft- I have never forgotten what I saw, 20 rows of smashed seats and ceiling missing where people were flung into it, I always keep my seat belts securely fastened on any aircraft in flight because of it. I have a deck of cards from this very aircraft still. From what I heard the FO or Captain bumped the flap handle and the slats deployed, it wasn't spontaneous but I haven't read the NTSB report on it.

  • @steveturner3999
    @steveturner3999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I swear the voice that warns when the autopilot disengages is the same one from the original Star Trek TV series.

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You are correct! The voice from the aircraft warning system is the late Majel Barrett, wife of Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry. Her voice is used in many flight computer systems even up to today.

    • @essencetoney933
      @essencetoney933 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Never knew that.

  • @flipnap2112
    @flipnap2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    man.. that must've been one scary flight.. the entire ceiling of the passenger cabin was destroyed.. imagine all the bodies slamming into it.. never take your seat belts off

    • @flipnap2112
      @flipnap2112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Carpet Hooligan well honestly, its one of those things that nobody pays much attention to.. but most flights ive had the captain says "leave your seatbelts on if sitting in your seat". turning off the seatbelt sign is saying "you can get up to use the bathroom, etc..." its not til situations like this that people realize why.. shame but it happens from time to time..

    • @whyyeseyec
      @whyyeseyec 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Even those passengers who do wear a seat belt throughout the flight run the risk of getting slammed by flying bodies of those who do not keep belted.

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can still be hit by "missiles" - flying objects in the cabin 😐

    • @karend1577
      @karend1577 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A recent comment from someone stationed at the AFB said that the cabinets and seats were ripped out. The ceilings covered in blood.

  • @user-ct8my8rv9c
    @user-ct8my8rv9c 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    Always keep your seatbelt on even when the seatbelt light goes out..

    • @Cthight
      @Cthight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I always do even when i sleep in a 11 hours flight i wear my seatbelt. I would not recommend to wait outside of the lavatory until its free.

    • @suekelley2109
      @suekelley2109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I never take mine off unless I’m going to the facilities. Too many instances of “unexpected turbulence, folks!”

    • @starknight_yx7556
      @starknight_yx7556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is back in the 90s...
      Most CES flights kept the seat belt sign on the whole flight after this incident and several accounts of passenger injury caused by turbulence(most ppl ignored with it tho)

    • @trevmac8362
      @trevmac8362 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @America Reigns lol - u sarcastic bastard

    • @norm2923
      @norm2923 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Mom

  • @joelfelan8054
    @joelfelan8054 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That music clip you play @ the end while more details scrawl on screen is haunting. Gets me every time. Especially when fatalities occur.

  • @guitarjed
    @guitarjed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The DC-10 and MD-11 Always seemed to have problems, glad i never flew on one.

  • @hogansavoy6525
    @hogansavoy6525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    According to Wikipedia...
    60 passengers and crew were hospitalized.
    2 died as a result of their injuries.

  • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
    @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Glad that the airlines gave a slat and fixed this anomaly.
    Even better, everyone survived! Sorry they were sick and injured. Always sooo relieved to see any stricken plane get on the ground.
    Great job, Allec!
    (Late edit: I’ve been informed by an astute reader that two passengers ultimately did not survive. May they RIP😥)

    • @IIMoses740II
      @IIMoses740II 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Unfortunately, Wikipedia and other articles state that two of the passengers *didn't* survive their injuries.

    • @kirilmihaylov1934
      @kirilmihaylov1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@IIMoses740II interesting....

    • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
      @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Screeching Possum • Oh, dear. I’ll amend my entry right away.😥
      Thanks for the heads-up.

    • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
      @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Trent Malone • Thx Trent😉

    • @alvaroakatico9188
      @alvaroakatico9188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Screeching Possum So you’re the astute reader, always wondered what they looked like in real life.

  • @nitramluap
    @nitramluap 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    “You’re holding it wrong” - McDonnell Douglas

  • @earlmac8402
    @earlmac8402 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I flew China Eastern flight 583 to Los Angeles this year. I’m glad I saw this video after my flight.

    • @leesantos9711
      @leesantos9711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👍👍👍😎

    • @redwingsfan3621
      @redwingsfan3621 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Earl Mac I’m surprised they kept the flight number since two people apparently died from their injuries.

    • @earlmac8402
      @earlmac8402 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Redwingsfan well, it is China. Maybe they are not concerned.

  • @lewisyeung8911
    @lewisyeung8911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Btw, the captain name is Liu Jianping who was sleeping in the cabin that time. The engineer named Liu Lianxing. But the First Officer name unknown.
    One of the passenger named Ge Shaojun who had been the pilot of Chinese Air Force. Actually in that time, passengers were filling the landing card. But suddenly the plane started nose up and down. The captain was hurt his hand, for trying to go into the cockpit.
    The steward, Wang Yaping, was trying to say something, but she can't get the phone cause the plane lost of weight.
    Then this plane landed safely with many US soldiers carrying the torchlight on the runway to guide the plane land.

    • @lewisyeung8911
      @lewisyeung8911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The most of passengers didn't fasten the seat belts that time. So too many people hurt.

  • @ShroomKeppie
    @ShroomKeppie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This had to be the flight that inspired Michael Crichton's novel "Airframe". All the elements are there. A great read.

    • @JETZcorp
      @JETZcorp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It is indeed! Crichton had been curious about commercial airplane manufacturing, and was visiting McDonnell Douglas and interviewing the engineers during the time they were investigating this incident. Once you know the background and re-read the book it's really extremely uncanny how little he actually changed to turn McDonnell Douglas into Norton for his story. Everything about Norton - their approach to design, analysis of incidents, financial position in the 1990s, and even feverish paranoia about Airbus, is just swiped directly from what Crichton must have seen during his time at MDD. Reading the book, you can practically TASTE the salt about what happened to the DC-10 in the media. One can only imagine the rants and raves the engineers at MDD must have provided on that topic, and they were absolutely terrified that the MD-11 slats thing would lead to another round of bad press.

    • @burnitdown5828
      @burnitdown5828 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So he wrote Jurassic Park and a novel on a plane crash? Cool

  • @rolandleap1
    @rolandleap1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Every time I read that the plane is "over the ocean" I instantly get both worried and interested at the same time. Makes the storyline all the more interesting.

  • @aflacduckquack
    @aflacduckquack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Well-presented, Allec. Thank you. You make it easy to get into the story with your vids... keep up the great work-! :)

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What did you do with the time you saved not typing eo?

  • @andrewk2996
    @andrewk2996 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your recreation videos are the best Allec the work you put into them is much appreciated, thanks

  • @leamerrill3618
    @leamerrill3618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank God for wonderful pilots!! These people that fly airplanes are angels as far as I’m concerned. They all are extremely intelligent, amazingly good at troubleshooting and my respect and admiration is beyond words for them, all of them.

  • @frankk3880
    @frankk3880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You have gotta love the dramatic music. So appropriate. Love it ❣

    • @lusmas99
      @lusmas99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It sounds very similar to Queen's "Who wants to live forever".

  • @kinghill4030
    @kinghill4030 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've watched a lot of your video's, very well done. I am an old Airline Captain and have learned from these video's so thank you!

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Me too... MD-11 PIC and former resident rep at DAC in Long Beach. Douglas built excellent aircraft bar none. We actually cried when Boeing and Douglas merged.

  • @ajp4860
    @ajp4860 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We should all count our blessings for having survived commercial flight in the early days.
    Even well into the 90’s.
    Design flaws.
    Now we have software and automation flaws.

    • @donmoore7785
      @donmoore7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Those are all design flaws.

  • @MADmosche
    @MADmosche 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    There is a great book, “Airframe” by Michael Crichton, about this exact type of slat-induced loss of control on aircraft. Highly recommended if you’re into this stuff!

    • @hogansavoy6525
      @hogansavoy6525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Great book!!!

    • @highlypolishedturd7947
      @highlypolishedturd7947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I thought of that too. I wonder if the author got the idea from this flight?

    • @kyjohn999
      @kyjohn999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He did, at least partly. The other inspiration was Aeroflot 593, where the pilot let his kids fly the aircraft.

    • @highlypolishedturd7947
      @highlypolishedturd7947 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kyjohn999 Yes I'd thought of that too. I feel sorry for the boy in the pilot's seat. I wonder if his last thoughts were to think that he screwed up and got everyone killed.

    • @hogansavoy6525
      @hogansavoy6525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@highlypolishedturd7947 ...
      Crichton opened the novel with an account of this very crash.

  • @sarahalbers5555
    @sarahalbers5555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Friday happy hour with Allec and the crew! Really great job!

  • @SSN515
    @SSN515 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    And now there is currently a 3 man flight crew breaking down big rocks into little rocks in a Chicom Reeducation Gulag.

    • @shariys1
      @shariys1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😂😂🤣

    • @perfectscotty
      @perfectscotty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol

    • @comparedtowhat2719
      @comparedtowhat2719 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's morning where I am just spilled my 1st cup of joe all over my keyboard.

    • @suekelley2109
      @suekelley2109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not to mention the 5 other pilots on board!

    • @MultiCappie
      @MultiCappie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@suekelley2109 They were probably sleeping, but in any case, they were off-shift. It's somewhere between 12 and 13 hours from Shanghai to L.A.

  • @DanielMaverick
    @DanielMaverick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hands down, one of the best channels in TH-cam

  • @tedster405
    @tedster405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was working at ZAN ARTCC CWSU when this happened. It was initially thought to be a severe to extrm turbulence event

  • @liamb8644
    @liamb8644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Am I the only one who gets so excited when you realise it was posted only a few hours ago and therefore it’s a new crash you’re about to learn about? Weird me I guess. Lol

    • @robhill9336
      @robhill9336 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're not alone. :D

  • @JoshuasPHXAviation
    @JoshuasPHXAviation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome video Allec!👍👍

  • @xnopyt13
    @xnopyt13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jus saw an article about it and you posted this. Nice

  • @MultiCappie
    @MultiCappie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think during the editing, Josh may have forgotten the slide that mentions the two fatalities, as he did title the video correctly.

  • @neilherrera5497
    @neilherrera5497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Allec Joshua Ibay.

  • @markstasz2887
    @markstasz2887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn deadly gremlins. One tried to bring down a plane that a young Captain J.T. Kirk was a passenger on years ago back in the 60's I think. Ugly hairy beast almost succeeded too.And people thought Captain Kirk had lost his mind. No way.

  • @kiwiandrew
    @kiwiandrew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I was surprised that there was a Flight Engineer in the cockpit. I've never heard of one on an MD-11 before ?

    • @highlypolishedturd7947
      @highlypolishedturd7947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I was wondering about that too... I thought the redesign from DC10 to MD11 eliminated the Flight Engineer.

    • @nzk86384
      @nzk86384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      In a DC-10,there is a Flight Engineer position, but in an MD-11, there shouldn't be one. This plane must have been upgraded from a DC-10 to an MD-11, but the FE position might have not been removed

    • @able_archer01
      @able_archer01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@nzk86384 If it was retrofited from an DC-10, it would have been re-designation to MD-10. The retrofit included an upgraded cockpit used on the MD-11 which would eliminate the need for the flight engineer position to allow common type rating with the MD-11. Plus, the aircraft operating as Flight 583 appears to have the distinct winglets used on the MD-11, which wasn't part of the MD-10 retrofit package. I'm guessing the Flight Engineer was a "jumpseater".

    • @moriver3857
      @moriver3857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The FE position could have been a customer option. There was a time tha some Canadian airlines ordered the 767 with an FE position, so it's feasible this MD-11 had a flight engineer.

    • @RubenThomas
      @RubenThomas 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@able_archer01 That's what I was also thinking.

  • @deborahwhite3589
    @deborahwhite3589 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was on this flight. I was 3-months pregnant. I almost lost my sweet baby girl. I was in the hospital over a week. The accident happened on Tuesday, April 6th, 1993. It took until July 11th, 1995 to find a doctor to believe me that something was wrong with my neck. C4, C5 & C6 were broken in half and had to be removed and a piece of my hip was inserted in place. And then 6-weeks later that graph fell out and I had to have emergency surgery. The bone graph was put back in with a plate. & screws. I woke up 3-days later on a ventilator due to complications. A week into my stay I was found choking on my vomit due to a grand-mail seizure. I live with daily pain. My life has never been the same.

  • @Blast6926
    @Blast6926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    High Quality Video! thank you!

  • @kengrantham4176
    @kengrantham4176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Starting at 5:18, I did not understand anything. I didn’t see any strong turbulences that caused so many injuries? When the plane landed, it looked normal. I’m confused...what am I missing?

    • @kevcapellan6066
      @kevcapellan6066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I believe Injuries were caused by the plane the plane pitching up and down multiple times as it says,looks smooth in the video but real life most have been rough. Food cart loose or even luggage could cause serious harm.

    • @kengrantham4176
      @kengrantham4176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kev Capellan, Thanks for your reply. Sounds logical now

    • @donmoore7785
      @donmoore7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Gary McMichael You are asking too much of this video. If people can not imagine what happens when an aircraft abruptly pitches up and down, that is their problem. The main purpose is to get to the cause of what caused the incident.

  • @rezarastak8067
    @rezarastak8067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    How many pilots do you want in one plane?
    China eastern airlines: Yes

    • @alvaroakatico9188
      @alvaroakatico9188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      June H. There’s a rule on social media not to use back to back abbreviations because it cheapens their meanings, furthermore, you don’t even have a complete sentence. You have problems June, and consider this a warning. Next time it won’t be pretty, so please try to refrain.

    • @ppal64
      @ppal64 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alvaro aka Tico po ah

    • @oliviajanzkordell4491
      @oliviajanzkordell4491 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alvaroakatico9188 >>>>>>>>>> pedant !! ! !!

    • @stanislavkostarnov2157
      @stanislavkostarnov2157 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alvaroakatico9188 sorry, but I think its you who has the problem... better see some psychologist or someone about that aggression. no real damage done here, but it can lead to some really bad stuff, it can mess up your life... (I know from experience)
      PS
      not a particular fan of these abbreviations, but I've never heard about this rule you talk about... as far as I am concerned its a slang, a question of style; if you use them morphologically/syntactically correctly, in an appropriate place (which a TH-cam chat is) you can make your whole comment out of abbreviations, and do so like a virtuoso.
      YtCm abbr. w/o abbr. tbh SOP. YT is YT TI/LI... is as valid as saying 'TH-cam comment abbreviations, to be honest its someone else's problem, TH-cam is TH-cam , take it or leave it...' (accept that probably I got the abbreviation wrong since this is not MY style)

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to twain Chinese pie-wots on the MD-80. Most were former Taiwanese Air Force pie-wots and not very good for commercial aircraft.

  • @heronumbertwo3171
    @heronumbertwo3171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Allec's animation is so good!

  • @BigfistJP
    @BigfistJP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I enjoy these videos, but as a layman, I get lost in all of the terminology of some of the videos. I expect pilots might enjoy those ones much better than I.

    • @MothaLuva
      @MothaLuva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just ask what would you like to know...

    • @Milesco
      @Milesco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@MothaLuva (and HKA) : I think sometimes the scenarios are not well explained. For example, at 6:09 it says "The extension of the outboard slats will result in a loss of lift."
      Well, the whole purpose of slats is to _increase_ lift, so right off the bat that doesn't make sense.
      But there's more: At 6:16 it says the design of the MD-11 will have the tendency to pitch the nose up (presumably when the outboard slats are extended).
      At 6:38 it says "The autoslat automatically extends the outboard slats when the airplane is in a stall..." Which would normally make sense, but the video previously said that "The extension of the outboard slats will result in a loss of lift." When you're in a stall condition, you need _more_ lift, not less. Furthermore, the video said that the extension of the outboard slats tended to cause the plane to pitch nose up, which is the _opposite_ of what you want if you are in a stall.

  • @carolmorris404
    @carolmorris404 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Allec. I must be honest, I am a hardend air flight passenger but just watching what the crew in the cockpit were dealing with made me feel ill. Either the plane must go up or straight down but please don't let me have to cope with both situations. So pleased everyone survived but we don't know how many needed counseling after the flight.

    • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
      @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 died apparently, one on the plane from injuries & heart failure and one just from injuries off the plane.

  • @steve-marsh
    @steve-marsh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clearly planes need a ‘reset all’ button!

  • @Nathanator
    @Nathanator 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you planning to switch to FS2020 when it comes out in 2020, or will you stay with FS2004?

  • @Amtran727
    @Amtran727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Allec, can you please make a video on the crash of Southern Airways flight 242 in 1977? Thanks!

  • @MyzelleJenkins
    @MyzelleJenkins 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In a addition to the 2 fatalities, 1 passenger was paralyzed & one of the flight attendants received ‘severe’ brain damage. (NTSB)

    • @jackiebayliss
      @jackiebayliss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Always wear your seatbelt

  • @patriciamariemitchel
    @patriciamariemitchel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Didn't an Airbus have a similar roller coaster ride where someone put their head through the ceiling?

    • @nzk86384
      @nzk86384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      QF72

    • @patriciamariemitchel
      @patriciamariemitchel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nzk86384, thanks. I don't know how I could forget the other Sully... and both Airbuses. One great for gliding; the other gone rogue.😶

  • @jackkitchen737
    @jackkitchen737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    China Eastern Airlines Flight 583 still flies this same route today. In fact, one will be landing in a couple of hours at LAX. Trivial, I know. But I found it interesting.

  • @fliegenistdassicherste8828
    @fliegenistdassicherste8828 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I knew about before. Cool video about an accident with fatalies but no hull loss, but repair of the affected. This combo is rare

  • @mingta5
    @mingta5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video !

  • @georgie3
    @georgie3 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video, Allec, and also educational. It seems unusual to me (model aircraft and quadcopter pilot :) that the MD-11 elevator would by design be too weak to counteract pitch moment from the slats.

  • @nicholasbutler153
    @nicholasbutler153 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Unfortunately it wasn't the case that everyone survived.

    • @MultiCappie
      @MultiCappie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think during the editing, Josh may have forgotten one slide, as he did title the video correctly.

  • @kend3900
    @kend3900 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video makes you wonder why it took so long to get that redesign on the control handle

  • @CivilDefenseSoutherner
    @CivilDefenseSoutherner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super scary to encounter something like this, especially at night!

  • @joseguzman6542
    @joseguzman6542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What beautiful music at the end

  • @jackkitchen737
    @jackkitchen737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I missed something here. How did the pilots get control of the aircraft? One minute they're oscillating in uncontrolled fashion, and the next minute they're landing without any problems.

    • @kyoakland
      @kyoakland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm with u buddy didn't get it

    • @daveg2104
      @daveg2104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kyoakland There was actually nothing wrong with the aircraft, other than the leading edge slats deploying (possibly because the captain nudged the handle). Once the slats cycled through to retracted, the aircraft flew normally, and the crew were able to land safely. Because this problem was something that had happened too many times on this aircraft type, the slat system was modified.

  • @raidazz1
    @raidazz1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it practice to leave the autopilot on when it's pitching up and diving??

  • @libertyliberal4349
    @libertyliberal4349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video was a bit confusing.
    1) Why wasn't the surviving pilots interviewed about what happened? It seems like everything was guess work from the NTSB?
    2) The data problems weren't mentioned in the recreation.
    3) The information about the data problems were not described as one continuous event, instead it was broken up into two separate pieces (piece one: data problems and mentioning a computer piece two the Capt is trying to use the computer) which made it very weird.
    4) You could have animated the Captains inputs so we can see how close he was to the slats handle.

    • @donmoore7785
      @donmoore7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here's an idea - you can create your own videos, and manage them as you see fit. Then you will never be disappointed.

  • @Broadica
    @Broadica 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I want to know more about the extent of "serious injuries" due to turbulence...
    Was this with the passengers ordered to buckle in? And if so, how mitigated were the injuries by the restraints?

    • @wickedroller
      @wickedroller 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was wondering the same thing. I can imagine a few people and flight attendants thrown around a little but 99% of people should be in seats buckled up.

    • @jr13227
      @jr13227 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you see that cabin? I’m sure bags fell out of overhead compartments, not to mention if it happens all of a sudden people are up and moving especially during meal service.

    • @Broadica
      @Broadica 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah see I didn't even consider the luggage overhead spewing forth it's contents into the cabin.
      Maybe the new flight simulator will have actual passenger models so we can see that perspective in these videos.

    • @drkatel
      @drkatel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I understand how injuries happened. I was in an incident (far less severe than this) that resulted in ten injuries. The beverage cart was lifted and injured people. If your seatbelt wasn't tight enough, you struck the overhead. Any loose passenger items went airborne. Passengers on one side of the plane were soaked by all the drinks that went flying.
      Make sure your seatbelt is as tight as you can tolerate it.

    • @starknight_yx7556
      @starknight_yx7556 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Broadica Well, since this is half way thru a trans pacific flight (which is technically 6 hrs into the flight, and the outside is dark), many decided to sleep without fastening seat belts. And then this happened, well...yeah.

  • @adriendiaz739
    @adriendiaz739 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I live in Adak and us very close to Shemya And i heard about this from the people there

  • @0error.389
    @0error.389 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why did the pilot not turn off autopilot when the stick shaker and flap over speed warning activated

    • @wilburfinnigan2142
      @wilburfinnigan2142 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Gary McMichael Same reason the 2 pilots did not turn off the MCAS on the 737Max crashes !!!!! Poor training !!!!!!

    • @rrknl5187
      @rrknl5187 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because he was an idiot and didn't know how to hand-fly?????

    • @malcolm20091000
      @malcolm20091000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm thinking that he turned/kept the autopilot on as it might more accurately reduce the porpoising that was going on, that is, would be less reactive and more proactive than human hands on the controls. Just speculation, however.

    • @rrknl5187
      @rrknl5187 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@malcolm20091000 I see your point but as a pilot, when the autopilot is flying and anything abnormal happens, I will always assume that it has failed and I'll turn it off and hand-fly.
      I stay current and my training and experience will allow mr to control the plane based on what my eyes see, whether by visual or by instruments. I don't know what the autopilot 'sees' but it's obvious that it is not reacting properly so I will take over control from it.

    • @terryofford4977
      @terryofford4977 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wilburfinnigan2142 Poor training coupled with the insane desire to AUTOMATE every goddamned thing that flies.Much a case of ' Think of the Money its costing us (The AIrline that is). Automation is cheaper, however, after a lifetime in Air Traffic Control the last ten years working was enough to bring on Dozens of OMG's , what next.? I can imagine Pilotless aircraft with a Soft drink and Sandwich machine in place of Cabin Crews....think how much that would save the airlines.

  • @aerlial360
    @aerlial360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why is there a flight engineer on an MD-11? Didn't they also remove the need for the FE from the cockpit?

    • @michaelallen1396
      @michaelallen1396 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would guess it was a relief pilot not a flight engineer, none required on an MD-11.

  • @melee1039
    @melee1039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is the pilot crew not mentioned in name like previous videos.

  • @slidefirst694
    @slidefirst694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can't read it, can you use contrasting colors?

  • @kirilmihaylov1934
    @kirilmihaylov1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This could ve been much much worse.... somebody deployed the slats in flight....at Mach speed 0.84 this is very very dangerous.....

  • @johnmckenna2157
    @johnmckenna2157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the music in this is by?

  • @highlypolishedturd7947
    @highlypolishedturd7947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It seems to me that the demons haunting the DC-10 were alive and well in the MD-11.

    • @MultiCappie
      @MultiCappie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, that frame's titters and lurches are probably what killed Douglas. They rushed it to market originally (as the DC-10) to pre-empt the widely superiorly considered L1011, but then the Airbus A300 twin emerged to steal the shorter range widebody market, and somehow even by the time of MD-11 re-brand, Douglas still didn't have things comprehensively on-track.
      I think it was managerial generational turnover around the time of the DC-9, with the new guys thinking "this is easy."
      Kindof the same thing I see in Boeing after the 777, tbh.

    • @highlypolishedturd7947
      @highlypolishedturd7947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MultiCappie You make a good point. Many companies, across many industries, have been ruined by the new guys thinking this is easy.

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MultiCappie With respect, you are incorrect. Both the DC-10 and MD-11 were excellent aircraft as I few both types. In any new aircraft introduction, problems in service develop, and airlines meet twice a year with themselves, regulators, Douglas/Boeing engineers and other teams to learn and share fixes. They were called "Team Conferences", and almost every operator sent 2-3 executives to attend. They were amazing and informative sessions. The problem Douglas had is they faced a board of directors that would not spend the necessary funds for later aircraft designs. Believe me, I watched Douglas aircraft built almost daily, and in my opinion their quality was far superior to Boeing in many areas. Douglas was like a large family in Long Beach. My best friend's father was a friend of Donald Douglas, Sr. and many other notable visionaries. Douglas had wonderful people whose first priorities included quality and safety. Again, I knew them well.

  • @gmill7911
    @gmill7911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The title "Deadly Nudge" suggests that there was a fatality attributed to this incident, yet this was not stated in your commentary. Were there any fatalities?

    • @alexhoe02
      @alexhoe02 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      G Miller no

    • @hellosunshine1090
      @hellosunshine1090 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like Deadly = Dangerous Nudge.
      Deadly gets more response.
      There COULD have been deadly results, right ?

    • @W4t3rf1r3
      @W4t3rf1r3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Two passengers later died.

    • @brigettedungca2044
      @brigettedungca2044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      There were two fatalities

    • @watershed44
      @watershed44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @G Miller
      *Condolences to the families of of those two who passed away from injuries during CEA Flight 583*

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The narration was confusing. The cabin crew obviously knew there was severe upset in the passenger section but this was news to us until they declare their emergency. And the turbulence? Was that due to the unintentional slat extension?

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy hell! They were taken on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

    • @bradmccullough8240
      @bradmccullough8240 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Based on what happened during the flight, it made Mr Toads wild ride seem like a leisurely Sunday afternoon drive

  • @robertyoung1293
    @robertyoung1293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Rather scary when you consider the number of DC-10/MD-11 aircraft are featured in these videos.

    • @davidca96
      @davidca96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DC-10 issues were fixed and it actually became one of the safest planes after this. Its tough to overcome that stigma though with so many crashes in its beginning, although several were not the fault of the plane and were the airlines fault.

  • @BK-qp8zp
    @BK-qp8zp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job that the pilots got the plane safely on the ground as soon as possible.

  • @mikeyd946
    @mikeyd946 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s so scary. I am glad nothing worse happened and that they landed safely. 🙏

  • @lucianoluciano9091
    @lucianoluciano9091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Allec joshua ! Faz um video da simulacao do acidente do TUPOLEV TU -154 da CUBANA DE AVIACION que aconteceu em 06/8/1998 ;que o tupolev levantou voou mais caiu sobre predios e um campo de futebol .

  • @Gusrikh1
    @Gusrikh1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always interesting..

  • @ryankenyon5010
    @ryankenyon5010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video, as always! You couldn't pay me to get on an MD-11.

    • @shariys1
      @shariys1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A DC10 by any other name ... 😕😨😱

  • @JM-lw3nx
    @JM-lw3nx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm fascinated by planes.

  • @richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010
    @richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    MU583 is captain Liu jian ping (刘建平)and Flight engineer Liu lian xing (刘连兴)

  • @hughbassoon
    @hughbassoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry....I will comment in the private comment section in the future. Thanks for info on flaps and slats

  • @stoner0046
    @stoner0046 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was this accident used as the basis for the novel Airframe by Michael Crichton?

    • @doabarrellroll69
      @doabarrellroll69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and if I recall correctly the DC-10 was mentioned in the book as well

  • @leighjacobs4800
    @leighjacobs4800 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn. I was on 583 in 2000. Never knew abut this incident.

  • @wojciechlatos8700
    @wojciechlatos8700 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was an pilot error?

  • @leezinke4351
    @leezinke4351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow that is scary!

  • @BuccaneerBruce
    @BuccaneerBruce 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:08 what is that airline in front of China Eastern?

    • @RicGillespie
      @RicGillespie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's an Air Tahiti Nui plane.

    • @BuccaneerBruce
      @BuccaneerBruce 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RicGillespie Thank you!

  • @XalphYT
    @XalphYT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:02 Were they making the diversion because of an injured passenger, not a sick one? This is a big difference.

  • @wjatube
    @wjatube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry if I missed it but what was the deadly part?

    • @ateltoni
      @ateltoni 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wjatube 2 passengers later died due to their injuries.

  • @monabiehl6213
    @monabiehl6213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like Michael Critchen's "Airframe."

  • @trainman86trainstramsandmore
    @trainman86trainstramsandmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Alec can you do Cebu Pacific flight 398

  • @richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010
    @richardnagarjunasuryaprase2010 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make China eastern airlines flight 586 emergency landing in Shanghai hongqiao airport nose gear failure and Sichuan airlines flight 3u8633 emergency landing in chengdu shuangliu airport

  • @Friendlyboxer
    @Friendlyboxer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    F/E on a MD-11?

  • @iR-80
    @iR-80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MD-11's don't have flight engineers
    DC-10's do

  • @cameraman655
    @cameraman655 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's see the Capt has 8,535 flying hours 0:24, the FO has 9,714 flying hours 0:38 and the FE has 9,892 (on an MD11?) 0:45 . Is this not a bit odd that junior officers have more flying hours that the Captain, or is how they do it in China? I am not trying to disparage the creator of this well-done video, it just seems to me that the discrepancies in the flying hours between the three flight deck personnel are a bit odd.

  • @groovechampion1462
    @groovechampion1462 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny how when i watch these videos i get commercials from travel agencies, telling me to buy plane tickets:)

  • @Skybolter
    @Skybolter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did the pilots got fired ?

  • @shermansquires3979
    @shermansquires3979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How come you don't mention the pilot's names as usual?

  • @MultiCappie
    @MultiCappie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That frame's titters and lurches are probably what killed Douglas. They rushed it to market originally (as the DC-10) to pre-empt the widely superiorly considered L1011, but then the Airbus A300 twin emerged to steal the shorter range widebody market, and somehow even by the time of MD-11 re-brand, Douglas still didn't have things comprehensively on-track.
    I think it was managerial generational turnover around the time of the DC-9, with the new guys thinking "this is easy."
    Kindof the same thing I see in Boeing after the 777 and the move to Chicago, tbh. "Fly-by-shorterm-shareholder-value" I like to call it.

  • @seanmcerlean
    @seanmcerlean 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great videos from you,just a little feedback,please try to avoid writing in white on a light blue or white background as it is a littlw hard to readGreat work though

  • @md65000
    @md65000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeez, why wouldn't they put some kind trigger/latch mechanism on the slat lever? They didn't want to spend the extra $10?

  • @Cthight
    @Cthight 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At first i thought the horizontal stabilizer are a bit broken. But im not an engineer i dont even know where the slats are.

  • @_.souvy____
    @_.souvy____ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nyc vdo but make a video of the 2 737 max crashes