Cheap imported "rainproof" power supply (long version).

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มี.ค. 2019
  • This is the long version of the video. A shorter version with less detail on the circuitry is also available. It starts the same so you can skip the first bit if desired.
    • Cheap imported "rainpr...
    I had high hopes for this power supply, since the images did show at least some effort to shed water over the outside of the case, but the implication that this could be mounted to a wall to power 12V equipment is not really accurate.
    I could see this type of unit being used inside a box sign for 12V LED based signage where the unit was not directly exposed to the weather but had some protection from dripping water.
    Things to note about cheap power supplies imported directly from China. They may not have good isolation between the mains voltage side and low voltage side so the 12V side should be regarded as being potentially at mains voltage. Made worse by the fact that some RCDs/GFIs can be rectified and smoothed power. Their rating is often pushing the limits, so always under run them. They have little or no interference suppression for RF noise. They don't always have adequate shielding of live mains connections and may pose a shock hazard.
    If you require a low voltage supply for an application involving commercial use or a situation where people will come into direct electrical contact with the low voltage side then only use a power supply bought from a high profile electronic component supplier in your country. That removes a lot of liability and gives greater reliability.
    If you enjoy these videos you can help support the channel with a dollar for coffee, cookies and random gadgets for disassembly at:-
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    This also keeps the channel independent of TH-cam's advertising algorithms allowing it to be a bit more dangerous and naughty.
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  • @thomasmurphy8331
    @thomasmurphy8331 5 ปีที่แล้ว +213

    A few minutes up and the long version has double the views. We watch you for the good long videos.
    This is not the side of youtube where quick little videos are mainstays.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Keep in mind most of those views will be patron early access, so might have over representation of long viewers.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thomas Murphy - How am I supposed to watch long videos in my 20 minute meal break?

    • @JohnJones1987
      @JohnJones1987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Mark1024MAK Get fat, eat twice.

    • @johnfrancisdoe1563
      @johnfrancisdoe1563 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Jones But he has to get back to work after 20 minutes. He already eats less to watch the short version at all.

    • @wisico640
      @wisico640 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actualy got recommanded this version. I am not mad at all about it still haha :)

  • @petehiggins33
    @petehiggins33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The snubber across the output rectifier is to supress "snap-off noise" When they are reverse biassed all diodes conduct in the reverse direction for a short time while the stored charge is cleared out. When the charge runs out the current stops very suddenly which if not supplied with an alternate path would generate a super high frequency noise spike. The snubber absorbs the spike and allows the current to stop more gently.

  • @freddyburger5574
    @freddyburger5574 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As someone who routinely retrofits neon channel signs to LED, I can say with authority that I would not trust this power supply even in an enclosed sign. I'll stick with the type that are fully potted, they work a charm. I haven't had one fail yet in 5 years of harsh desert environment, including extremes from 120°F (48°C) heat, to full-on monsoon downpours, to zero-visibility dust storms.

  • @mcviggles2784
    @mcviggles2784 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    When you measured the NTC I was waiting for you to probe the paper xD i was surprised when you actually pulled out the component! DERP

    • @wdavem
      @wdavem 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah his prints always look damn good.

    • @adamayers1469
      @adamayers1469 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep i was thinking the same thing lol

    • @Hagis2k
      @Hagis2k 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clive when we are on the priter topic, what printer and paper are you using?

    • @anonimenkolbas1305
      @anonimenkolbas1305 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Hagis2k There was a video on this, I recall. I can't seem to find it though.

    • @superdau
      @superdau 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      After a few minutes of watching I also always forget that it's a print. Completely ignoring that there are SMD resistors half the size of a finger tip and always being astonished for a second how easy it is for Clive to write something "onto" a component...

  • @raymondmucklow3793
    @raymondmucklow3793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    Always the long version. Ill watch the short version but always the long version.

    • @seibastianmustermann1674
      @seibastianmustermann1674 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      i watch both versions

    • @mcomiskey7
      @mcomiskey7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's what she said

    • @adamayers1469
      @adamayers1469 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      just wondering how you watched this video 6 days ago when it was just uploaded??? hmmm time travel??? lol

    • @mikecowen6507
      @mikecowen6507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@adamayers1469 A theory: Eventually, with enough people asking, and asking, and asking, AND asking, some of the *non-Patreons* will see this question answered again, and again, and again, AND again, and *they* might realize if *they* made the *smallest* of contributions, *they* would no longer wonder how *some* people get here first... Again, just a theory in a ridiculously long run-on sentence. Maybe...

    • @adamayers1469
      @adamayers1469 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikecowen6507 Wow you could have just said that your a patreon and you see the video before the rest of us you didnt need to be a smart ass, but thank you anyway now i understand.

  • @umbrefawx
    @umbrefawx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    more like 50 watts max clive, I bought one of these and it lasted only about 90 minutes before the FET blew. Was using it to power a 50 watt cob LED. (48.7watts actual load)

  • @cheeto4493
    @cheeto4493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Big Clive can take the cover off, He's a professional. Thanks for the circuit breakdown. I always learn so much. While I know what the components do, sometimes it's hard to tell what they actually do in the circuit. I love the reverse engineering.

  • @busog97641
    @busog97641 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Funny, I pretty much never understand what Clive says, with the only understanding of electronics being, just plug it in and hope it works, but I actually watch the longer versions of his videos because they are just that entertaining.

  • @EdmundAycock
    @EdmundAycock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Retired Navy Nuke Electrician and retired Tampa Electric IGCC Process Specialist here. You're awesome. Nuff Said.

  • @JimFortune
    @JimFortune 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I keep expecting him to use the probes on the photographs.

  • @UberAlphaSirus
    @UberAlphaSirus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I am sorry, I do not have the impatience to watch the other version.

    • @YodaWhat
      @YodaWhat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cute! :)

  • @kardeef33317
    @kardeef33317 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Its a 12vdc power supply and bug zapper built in to one unit.

  • @whitehoose
    @whitehoose 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's odd what's implied by "outdoor". In Tenerife, things (electrical) obviously live outdoors 24x7x365 without any consequence. I've seen domestic sockets in the outside walls of buildings powering signs and vending machines ... and some have been there for years. I've also been there when it rained something like 10" in half an hour (slight exaggeration). The wind caused more damage than the rain, the local shops just poppped the outdoor fuse and then gave it half an hour to dry when the rain stopped before replacing the fuse and it was business as usual. It's the same the middle east and a fair few other areas ... when it's 40c most of the time no one makes any effort to waterproof anything, it only rains once a decade. Like BC says - it won't last half an hour "here" (his "here" and my "here" sound very similar and equally hostile).
    But in the other sort of "here" where its hot and dry almost all the time it's just a bit of a bugger when they design and manufacture outdoor electrical goods and try to sell them in our here.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a warm country like Tenerife you only have to worry about water getting into something from above, so you put an awning over it or seal any gaps around the top of it, this is why monsoon countries don't have a million electrocutions every year, you just throw some tarpaulin over an appliance. In colder countries however you have the extra threat of condensation, whereby water can enter a device from any angle since air creeps through any crack and then moisture forms on the first cold thing that air touches. As Clive mentions at the end of the video Britain is prone to Haar, which is sea fog and it gets inside anything that isn't fully sealed and gradually fills the thing up with water until it shorts out and pops.
      This power supply would likely do what it says if it was used in Vietnam, but in Scotland it'd just get someone electrocuted on their lawn.

  • @crimsonhalo13
    @crimsonhalo13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    To translate Chinese ratings into UK/US/Can/Aus ones, divide by the square root of Pi, then add 6.

    • @matthewmiller6068
      @matthewmiller6068 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought you just take the square root....and that's it?

    • @magellanicraincloud
      @magellanicraincloud 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also that method *increases* percieved capacit for low values. Taking square root or 25%, whichever is greater, is my method.

    • @mcomiskey7
      @mcomiskey7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The square root of Magnum?

  • @Whigu
    @Whigu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I think that you don't need long/short versions of your videos. People who don't want to watch some part can easily jump over it.

    • @theR6969
      @theR6969 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Petri Lopia, and I think you should keep your opinion to your self. I am one of those that has HDD and a lot of time won't watch a long video .. having long/short versions insures Clive gets more views.

  • @fn0rd99
    @fn0rd99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thumbs up for the great clarity of the circuit diagramming (as usual) as well as the nice touch of the yellow paper, enhancing the ease-of-view. Much appreciated.

    • @fn0rd99
      @fn0rd99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A non-slip matt may help with the photos sliding around on you. (Not complaining, just trying to help)

  • @RWBHere
    @RWBHere 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Long versions are the best, as you analyse yet another 'C E' deathtrap. Thanks Clive

  • @truthspeaks3147
    @truthspeaks3147 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i had an advertised water proof power supply for a camera, was fine until we had some sideways snow and freezing temps, brought it inside after it stopped and after a while water poured out, if they'd have left the hole for the led out, it'd have been fine, i also bought a 12v 5a supply, thankfully it was damaged in shipping, what i found inside was scary, old reclaimed power supply recased, old leads cut with what was left nearly shorting, a shake or a jar could have easily made them touch, no fusing either.

  • @SunSatlON
    @SunSatlON 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was great! I always look forward to these kind of explanations in your videos, keep them coming.

  • @antone.henderson
    @antone.henderson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Long version hyper details all the way. Thanks for the enlightenment.
    Regards Tony Henderson

  • @ziongite
    @ziongite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even if it's entirely sealed, it cannot truly operate for long outside in the elements unless it's constantly running. This is because if it isn't running, it will get very cold of a night time, then when the morning comes and the air gets warmer, the cold thermal mass of the power supply will attract moisture, this moisture will not only form on it's outside, but even on the inside of the unit as well.This water will then rust components.
    I know this from experience, the only way for something to exist in an outside environment is if it's kept warm, usually by running the power supply it will be warm, then it will not create any condensation, because condensation is from warm air hitting a cold surface, not from cold air hitting a warm surface. Thus it will be safe as long as it's running.
    As you pointed out, it also shouldn't have a single hole even the size of a pin leading into the main circuit area, because little ants and spiders will get into it and destroy it by being shocked and exploding their guts all into it. Therefore the unit has to be entirely sealed. Once it's fully sealed, and kept warm by operating, then it truly will run without any problems and will last a long time outside.

  • @huwmcconachy3272
    @huwmcconachy3272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Clive, glad to see another video. I have had palpitations since the last one. Thank you for your videos, please keep them coming. 🙂 cheers

  • @Aspire198
    @Aspire198 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    speaking of voltage jumping I had a 12v motorcycle battery jump between the terminals of the starter solenoid while cranking, and this was arcing through 2 layers of duct tape and the factory rubber terminal boot on both connections. I noticed the plastic divider had broken off and in the process of tightening one terminal connection had been tweaked closer to the other.

  • @tcmtech7515
    @tcmtech7515 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I've found a simple but proven effective solution to greatly extending the life of these types of cheap chinese electronics devices.
    Take them apart and conformal coat the circuit boards and all exposed wiring end connections with several layers of clear coat spray paint. Simple to do and substantially extends the harsh environment service life for it!

    • @sonofnone116
      @sonofnone116 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I come to the comments to learn tips like this in places like bigclive, AvE, ToT, etc

    • @tonezoneuk
      @tonezoneuk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. That's works really well. I did this on a digital wireless thermometer sender, except I used white appliance spray paint, 5 years and still going strong.

    • @mikecowen6507
      @mikecowen6507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tonezoneuk If you're going to use appliance paint, get microwave oven paint. Youll be sure to have no conductive chemistry in the dried paint. Not always guaranteed for painting basic sheet metal appliances.

    • @raymondmucklow3793
      @raymondmucklow3793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Will the paint crack if ya move or bend a wire. Years ago back in my youth i wanted to custom paint my dash, the dash of my vehicle was flexible, so i had to buy some additive to make the paint flexable, a friend of mine knew a paint dude who gave us the mix rates and tips. 10 years later it never cracked but was pliable. On my automotive splices expossed to the elements i will use the butt connector that are also heatshrink, after that i use liquid tape and just apply twice a years. I.E. trailer connections on my boat and other connections. Works great for me.

    • @mikecowen6507
      @mikecowen6507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@raymondmucklow3793 It might. If you want flexibility, stick with urethane conformal coatings.

  • @RaithUK
    @RaithUK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good Video Clive, always the long ones for me. Seeing the different manufacturing designs is interesting.

  • @halbvoll1
    @halbvoll1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx, in your Videos you gave me the understanding of switching mode power supplies, now it's much easier for me to fix them.

  • @killymxi
    @killymxi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hmm. Top cap is no better than the bottom one. Half of the top cap screws have the thread in "outer volume", but other half - in the inner volume, providing a path for water to leak inside. (Although it's more of extrusion issue.) Oh, and extrusion itself is consist of two parts...

  • @kingearwig
    @kingearwig 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I work for a sign manufacturing company. All of our signs are grounded and the insides are shielded from rain and we still use ip67 rated power supplies for the LEDs. Not totally necessary but they do seem to have longer lives. The message centers that we order do not have sealed potted power supplies though and they seem to last pretty well, but those cans are a bit better sealed than you average sign.

  • @mickward2775
    @mickward2775 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another excellent video BigClive as always. And for that price not a bad enclosure for projects. Providing us with quality entertainment thanks

  • @bdf2718
    @bdf2718 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Water-resistant? With the screws holding the shroud on placed like that? Each one in a well that allows water to build up and leak past the threads.
    But maybe that's deliberate to wash the spiders out.

    • @hongyu7988
      @hongyu7988 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bdf2718 Hahaha you made me laughed out.

  • @kodessa
    @kodessa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched both videos and i'm not disappointed.

  • @Cypher791
    @Cypher791 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i never have any clue in the slightest what this electrical wizardry means but i enjoy your videos none the less.. =]

  • @FesixGermany
    @FesixGermany 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A proper set of Wera screwdrivers, very nice. Wera and Wiha are the only manufacturers I buy screwdrivers from.

  • @tyttuut
    @tyttuut 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got that same set of screwdrivers for Christmas. They're awesome, especially compared to my previous assortment of five screwdrivers that are always the wrong size.

  • @Richardincancale
    @Richardincancale 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi Clive - I think it would be really interesting if you could make another short video where get your scope out and probe the waveform / frequency of the switching circuit - and especially to see how the feedback circuit operates under varying loads? Please?

  • @danroberts7975
    @danroberts7975 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:34 Completely agree... I've always when it comes to eBay chinese power supplies, generally buy one with intention to use about 30% of rating... So if I was going to need a 100W supply, I would look for a 300W supply. I know it is probably completely unnecessary... however I don't want to take a chance especially with unsupervised projects/devices.

  • @BoB4jjjjs
    @BoB4jjjjs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "Let's just whip everything off" Ok big boy lol. :-D

  • @Slikx666
    @Slikx666 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see your arms are still working.

  • @patellarmyotatic2607
    @patellarmyotatic2607 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason for the diode inside the MOSFET transistor: the device still has diode junctions that make up the FET, the extra diode prevents reverse bias on them which can cause junction latch-up.

  • @_BangDroid_
    @_BangDroid_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Got a little 10W led driver from ebay recently, the whole thing is potted inside an aluminium extrusion. The ad had 10-100W models. Didn't mention water or rainproof, but I'm sure it's better at it than this.
    Edit: haha just heard your potted comment

  • @bostedtap8399
    @bostedtap8399 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent diagnosis and tutorial, though it does need a British Wellington boot to increase the IP rating.
    Ref Chinese " CE" marking abbreviation, what about "Chance Enhanced".
    Love the high quality photographs, and schematic.
    Thanks for sharing and best regards from the Black Country.

  • @VanillaHowtv
    @VanillaHowtv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love watching these videos!

  • @BoB4jjjjs
    @BoB4jjjjs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent it the rain does not get it the insects will, bang goes the power supply! Excellent and the bonus, it might be live when you touch it.

  • @petersage5157
    @petersage5157 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just realized it's been a while since you've meggered anything. When you mentioned the inconsistent quality of the transformers in these things, my first thought was "test the isolation."

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually when I saw that there is a long and a short version, I thought that he took the transformer apart. Now that Ive seen it, Im wondering what there is you could cut out :D

  • @smartroadbiker
    @smartroadbiker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would you be able to modify any of these to make them safer and less noisy? Or would it need a whole new PCB?

  • @samting2009
    @samting2009 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fantastic informative video. Thanks Clive.

  • @mariushmedias
    @mariushmedias 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like there's enough room on the circuit board to use through hole resistors instead of those two groups of 4 resistors. Also, they probably could have made tiny boards with the controller and mount them vertically in order to get a completely through hole design.
    Would you have felt better if they used some kind of adhesive kapton/whatever tape on the bottom and on the sides (except where the to-220 parts screw to case) ? Seems like that could be a cheap and easy way to improve things a bit.
    Agree with you on the insects part through. Though with a fully through hole design maybe they could just spray some epoxy on the back or maybe have a thin layer of foam stuff you sometimes see in power supplies for sale in insect rich countries.
    Not a fan of that big 33uF 400v capacitor so close to the bridge rectifier, it will cook itself over time. Seems like there's enough space to use a thinner and longer one laid down on the board, making more distance between the capacitor and the bridge rectifier and hot ntc. They could have rotated the bridge rectifier and screw it to the case (or a metal bar that also heatsinks the to-220 part) for some extra heat dissipation - at that 100w of output, the rectifier alone would dissipate around 1-1.5 watts.

  • @cannotbeleftblank6027
    @cannotbeleftblank6027 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting to see the ground of the primary DC side (at 350+ Voltish?) sneak under that 750K SMD resistor. What's the separation there? 0.5 mm??

  • @PaulSteMarie
    @PaulSteMarie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The issue with transformer frequency is the iron core. At low frequencies, you build up larger magnetic fields in the core and saturate it faster. Once the core saturates, it is no longer able to concentrate the magnetic field.

    • @YodaWhat
      @YodaWhat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Another way to think about transformers is that there is only just so much energy in a single pulse or cycle (because more *would* saturate), so the more pulses you have, the more energy can go across. More pulses = high-frequency. More energy in the same time = higher power rating.

  • @AntonioClaudioMichael
    @AntonioClaudioMichael 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great break down of the circuit Clive

  • @WhileyisaEskiboy
    @WhileyisaEskiboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love my wera screwdrivers best thing I've ever brought tried whia but they were crap! Great video clive

  • @covishen
    @covishen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could see it hanging in an open barn, shed or other outbuilding where it's shielded against the worst of the weather as well as a sign as Clive suggested.

  • @ManWithBeard1990
    @ManWithBeard1990 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The metal tab on the back of a MOSFET is electrically connected to one of the pins, no? The drain pin, I think. Maybe that's only true for some variants. In any case it looks unsafe to clamp that to the case. Also, I'm reasonably sure that insects shorting out high voltage electronics was the original meaning of the word bug that is now used to refer to software malfunctions.

    • @RenThraysk
      @RenThraysk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Was a moth stuck in a relay of the Harvard Mark II computer. It was extracted and sellotaped inside the computer's log book.
      americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_334663

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ManWithBeard1990 - It looks like the transistor and output diode are using fully insulated plastic packages.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ManWithBeard1990 - most spiders, ants and flying insects are not very conducive when alive and dry. The problem is when a slug or snail gets in, or there is a build up of dead insects and dirt. Moisture then makes the mess conducive.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ManWithBeard1990 - In computing, bug comes from insects getting trapped in the mechanism, not insects causing short circuits. The early computers were electro-mechanical systems using telephone relay sets and uniselectors. These typically operated on 50V DC supplies. Later, faster computers used valves (tubes). These used higher voltages.

    • @theskett
      @theskett 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RenThraysk - Edison gets 1878 credit here, to my mild surprise: interestingengineering.com/the-origin-of-the-term-computer-bug
      But also -- even though I've seen Harvard's bug -- I'da sworn it was from the Mark I; nope :-)

  • @olipito
    @olipito 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now I'm curious about the epic insect nuclear reaction, but when you do it, please don't hurt any living BEEing

  • @GeorgeJFW
    @GeorgeJFW 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't even entertain the idea of clicking the short version first although I will watch it.

  • @tonezoneuk
    @tonezoneuk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My guess on the solder pads on the fuse track on mains input is to possibly fit a fuse fail neon. ?

  • @jamesbrown4092
    @jamesbrown4092 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "It's always quite interesting looking at other people's electrical work." - just as long as you don't get BLAMED for other people's electrical work.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Always take pictures beforehand.

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The "rainproofing" feature reminds me of the sky minidish LNB "rainproofing", where they have a token gesture pull-down shroud that does jack all for rainproofing the F-connectors resulting in the cables filling with water and flooding the receiver boxes... :P

  • @oafless
    @oafless 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    glad to see another video, least your ticker is still going :D

  • @tcpnetworks
    @tcpnetworks 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The pads around the Active terminal appear to be for spark control

  • @SirHackaL0t.
    @SirHackaL0t. 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think the bigger cases just use a different mosfet? The bigger cases make you think you are getting something more beefy?

  • @rimmersbryggeri
    @rimmersbryggeri 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    IF anything it's a nice project box.

  • @StephenBelcher-sr3zk
    @StephenBelcher-sr3zk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Clive, Wouldn’t it be interesting to investigate Philosophically, what happened to that Headtorch Violet Leak Cell, I’d look at unwrapping the Call Winding Bro?

  • @raymondmucklow3793
    @raymondmucklow3793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just there on the outside stamped on the aluminum "to be used in arizona desert" only.

    • @maicod
      @maicod 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      desert still has insects I presume :)

    • @mikecowen6507
      @mikecowen6507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maicod Especially the kind with hooked tails and stingers. 🦂

    • @raymondmucklow3793
      @raymondmucklow3793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maicod no moisture.

    • @maicod
      @maicod 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      the insect's bodies contain moisture enough :D

    • @raymondmucklow3793
      @raymondmucklow3793 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maicod touche sir. I was trying to be funny, perhaps i should have said the Sahara, mercury or the moon.

  • @SidecarBob
    @SidecarBob 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think the difference between "waterproof" and "water resistant" translates well. Or they just don't understand the concept. I bought a nice, cheap little handlebar mount radio that was supposed to be waterproof a few years ago and was very happy with it on my bike for a few months but the bike sat outside in the parking lot while I was at work every day and after a while the radio's buttons started acting up. When it finally died I opened it up and found water lines halfway up the inside of the housing.
    Another time I bought a "waterproof" handlebar mounted clock but the first time it rained water was visible inside it. The part that attached to the handlebar was basically a metal cup with no drain hole and when I opened up the clock part (basically a watch movement in a housing) it had absolutely no seal of any kind to keep the water out. I drilled a drain hole in the cup and covered the openings in the watch with silicone sealant and it still works several years later but it is a royal pain every time the clocks change or the battery dies.

  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think if the price is right, you could wire the unit up with leads a bit longer than you need. Tip it upside down and then fill the unit with 2-part gella reenter-able potting compound and then once cured, install it. Could be a nice solution if modified a bit.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The polymer gel would probably cost more than the power supply.

  • @geekrulz1
    @geekrulz1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those solderpads on the neutral could be a sparkgap perhaps?

  • @heyarno
    @heyarno 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The long version is good. With the short version I don't have enough time for my hot chocolate.

  • @mrsheesh3743
    @mrsheesh3743 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @bigclivedotcom - Side question; How do you store your USB devices (Not plain old thumb drives but those larger devices like the meters, USB Test Load, and so on?) Thinking on a better way here, maybe a "fishing lure" box - But you may have a different & better idea so I'll ask - Thanks!

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In a huge pile of technical clutter on my bench.

    • @mrsheesh3743
      @mrsheesh3743 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigclivedotcom Aah, thank you. I'll keep looking for something that'll work here. Clutter sure happens, doesn't it?!

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrsheesh3743 Clutter is normal at an active bench.

  • @magnuspihl6974
    @magnuspihl6974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even the relatively large mosfet will fail the 1,5mm functional isolation requirment? And the product will fail excessive dust, plants and vermin, maybe corrosion, UV and more (60950-22).

  • @sunuk1915
    @sunuk1915 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation 👌

  • @Zodliness
    @Zodliness 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Do not open the cover, or you may expose yourself to cheap components and potentially dangerous circuitry.

    • @AwesomeMcTasty
      @AwesomeMcTasty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But that's exactly what we love on this channel :)

    • @Zodliness
      @Zodliness 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AwesomeMcTasty Indeed it is!

    • @louie1
      @louie1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The dangerous it is the more entertaining it is

  • @phonotical
    @phonotical 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You'd think the extra was to possible bridge if the tracks blew, but, they are all still connected, it looks more like an anchor point

  • @johndii2194
    @johndii2194 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rain will shed over top but catch in the bottom lip and along the sides. PS I at least plug things in and test to see if they work.

  • @monkeymanstones1
    @monkeymanstones1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What brand and model is that ESD safe screwdriver set? I think I'd like to own one. Seems thick enough to not wear your hands out, the rubber parts ensure a great grip and that plastic seems extremely tough (I've seen you use them to pry things and unscrew overtorqued screws - That's some great, non-conductive plastic!).

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The red/yellow electrical screwdriver set is by Wera. It's a VDE rated set for live electrical work.

  • @bdf2718
    @bdf2718 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you flip the track-side photo rather then that top-side, we can read the text on the components. Of course, then the print on the track side will be hard to read.

  • @zh84
    @zh84 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haar is very familiar here in Fife. Do you get it in the Isle of Man or is it only an East Coast thing?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Parts of the island regularly get blanketed in sea fog.

  • @MrBobWareham
    @MrBobWareham 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    ARE THE SCREWS ON TOP NICE STEEL ONES LIKE THEY HAVE ON SOLAR LIGHTS THAT RUST AFTER ONE WEEK THEN BREAK THE PLASTIC AS THEY EXPLODE WITH RUST

  • @retrogamer33
    @retrogamer33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OK this is weird, I've just bought an uncased power supply - 9V 5A to go internally in my Spectrum +2

  • @michaelhawthorne8696
    @michaelhawthorne8696 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've seen this type of feedback before, I was of the understanding that because the cathode of the feed back LED is at a fixed voltage due to the reference diode under it. When the output voltage starts to raise the LED gets brighter and this is fed back to the Photo transistor which turns on a little more thus lowering the voltage at pin 2 of the IC. The IC sees this drop and decreases the Mark Space ratio of the pulse to the transformer (Larger Space) this then lowers the output voltage. The opposite happening if the output voltage drops.
    This is similar to Buck Boost converters..
    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the opto isolator is switching the primary side off completely.

  • @Blowcrafter
    @Blowcrafter 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    did you get those VDE screwdrivers from a advent calendar? because i have got the same one from one 🤔

  • @emptyone2054
    @emptyone2054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And there was me at 5:10 expecting you to put your meter probes on the RHS print ;)

    • @snetsky100
      @snetsky100 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Join the club.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Empty One - I’ve just about got used to Clive’s circuit board photos now...

  • @twotone3070
    @twotone3070 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you've sat down to watch Big Clive, then obviously you'd watch the longest version available.

  • @geoffhoweth
    @geoffhoweth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @bigclivedotcom what are the screwdrivers you used in the video? Those are exactly what I was looking for. Awesome video

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wera VDE for live electrical work.

    • @geoffhoweth
      @geoffhoweth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigclivedotcom oh wow thanks so much👍👍

  • @sriyantra1939
    @sriyantra1939 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Change the background board with some slight brighter colour for better visibility.
    With this background you made sufficient videos

  • @tspiderkeeper
    @tspiderkeeper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm amazed by their non professional do not open message. Shows they are trying to hide the fact its just a cheap easy to repair circuit board inside.And they are trying to hide some flaws to avoid a fine and punishment

  • @ianharrison6597
    @ianharrison6597 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the tree with the dubious wiring is in JW’s garden.

  • @ThunderBolt-rm8cr
    @ThunderBolt-rm8cr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    another well explained video mr clive. i don't understand why they would put a LED inside of something that you won't be able to see. what's it's purpose clive?

    • @cosimo8046
      @cosimo8046 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably because it's a generic module. They might also use the same board design in different products.

  • @guygordon2780
    @guygordon2780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The explanation reminds me of Monty Python "Summarizing Proust" LOL!

  • @UpcycleElectronics
    @UpcycleElectronics 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious, what's the best (or more conventional) way to limit inrush current on something like the secondary side of an audio circuit or linear power supply with a large filter capacitor? Is the application not as critical because of the transformer's impedance? I don't think I've seen an NTC used in circuits like this. Intuitively, I imagine the time it takes to charge a capacitance of 10+F must create a lot of stress on the magnetics. Perhaps I'm missing something fundamental here?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's more of an issue when a power supply has a rectifier and capacitor at the input. But some large transformer based units benefit from inrush protection too.

    • @UpcycleElectronics
      @UpcycleElectronics 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigclivedotcom
      Thanks :-)

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Upcycle Electronics - Active controls. That is a large power resistor in series with the circuit, and a transistor wired in parallel. At switch on, the transistor is off. So the capacitors charge via the resistor. After a short delay, the control circuit switches the transistor on, and that bypasses the resistor. There are also other designs with relay contacts or other semiconductors.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Mark1024MAK I had a metal cased resistor explode on me when one of the relay bypass circuits failed. The ceramic core split and fired out like a bullet

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bigclivedotcom - I bet that was fun! Just like applying a high reverse voltage to an electrolytic capacitor! Of course, not such fun if you happen to be in the path of destruction 😳

  • @Agent24Electronics
    @Agent24Electronics 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we get some load tests? See if it's actually 100 watts?

  • @johnfrancisdoe1563
    @johnfrancisdoe1563 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not running at 50Hz mains is not to save weight (though it does) it's to save energy. Switching at varying pulse width depending on load is what makes an SMPS more efficient than a linear voltage regulator like a 5A 7812 chip. Doing the switching on the mains side avoids the losses of having two power conversion circuits (first a transformer, then an SMPS coil). Now I'm not saying this craptastic model is efficient, as a matter of quality.

  • @thehobe2111
    @thehobe2111 ปีที่แล้ว

    i M CONCERNED ABOUT THE Line input PC trace adjacent to the aluminum case isolation through the "green" PC board coating. Time, vibration, moisture could eventually cause a "hot" case because it is not grounded to the ground line coming in. This could be lethal, especially in an outdoor (pool) environment. Better make sure there is a GFI for protection.

  • @adamayers1469
    @adamayers1469 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was wondering if you go see your doctor after exposing yourself to electric shocks like the last video just to make sure everything is not cooked and your heart is running right? also i prefer the longer videos, keep them coming.

  • @Mr69abody
    @Mr69abody 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry if this is was covered elsewhere, but what screwdriver are you using?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wera VDE live work screwdriver set. They do a few different versions.

  • @joopterwijn
    @joopterwijn 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @02:28 no (rubber) seal, 💦 water will penetrate the top, capial effect pull the moisture in at the screws. Screwholes are convenient cups...
    @14:50 Default the set “mosfet/duo-diode” is not connected throw the case, but is something died,... it easy could!

  • @ihatesmartphones
    @ihatesmartphones 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok. Add a ground wire to the casing. Put silicone all over the board and close up the bottom. It won’t be as bad. But maybe you could record it exploding? Things exploding is always fun. For educational purposes of course. LOL

  • @stepheneyles2198
    @stepheneyles2198 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:55 - the sense resistors (R7 - R10, 0.3 ohm) - aren't they connected to pin 4 via R6?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. There's a resistor between them and the chip.

  • @Sheevlord
    @Sheevlord 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Say, if I was to buy this PSU and wanted to make it safer to use would covering the bottom of the PCB with lacquer of some sort improve it? It would stop insects from shorting out contacts.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you needed an outdoor PSU I'd recommend getting a locally sourced one for professional lighting applications.

    • @Sheevlord
      @Sheevlord 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigclivedotcom Yeah, I wouldn't trust this one for outdoor use at all.
      But insects can be found indoors, sadly.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Priviledgier Sheevlord - Yes, but use a type that is designed for electrical circuits. Use multiple thin coats. But be careful not to get any on the connection terminals, or on the heatsink tab of the transistor and output diode.

  • @tornadokat
    @tornadokat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They should add something to limit inrush current on all laptop power bricks. I hate it when they spark when you plug one in an AC outlet and it can't be a good thing over long term..

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some do have inrush limiters, but there's still a significant inrush.