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Imo, It can even work for a hero... If the plot challenges them, calls them out on their bullshit and makes them grow as a person and into an actual hero.
@@thequietplayer6762 Yup. Han Solo was a great character because he started out as a complete jerk who was 'only in it for the money' and matured over time into a hero of The Rebellion.
The irony to that is that Tony Stark/ Iron Mans MCU origin story is about a self-serving ass that sold weapons to the highest bidder who suddenly gets a wake up call when said weapons are used on him. We can have a heroes origin story show them as terrible people, but the kicker is that they have to suffer and learn from it. and BOY does Iron Man suffer for that origin.
I think a well-written hero needs to have some kind of struggle, where achieving a personal goal or obtaining some kind of power isn't easy and requires hard work and sacrifice.
Obtaining the power without hard work or sacrifice is fine too, but then, it has to be about the struggle with the power or the consequences that come with using it. Otherwise, the Hero gaining anything would feel undeserved.
Stephen King once defined the difference between mediocre fantasy and great fantasy thus; in mediocre fantasy the hero always has power and always wields it, whereas in great fantasy the hero has no power and only achieves it through some great struggle.
The immediate comparison that leaps to mind is Ben 10 personally. Random child stumbles across seemingly alien artifact of power and he uses it more for fun than responsibility (though granted he was stuck in the middle of nowhere). A common lesson in Ben 10 however is that he is, in fact, a child, who often asks irresponsibly and still gets in over his head in situations of his own making, requiring his family to help him out and furthermore grounding the ego. But I don't think Khamala's going to be getting that treatment with either friends or family.
khamal won't need those bc this is PC and cancel culture, so her being an (arabic? i do not really know) and a female and gay is enough to solve everything xd fcking idiotic logic, we need a new cleansing
But we also see sometimes that child-like persona breaks. Like when Grandpa Max was injured or when Gwen supposedly died. Ben was ready to kill the shit out of everyone.
Shazam, a very recent movie has a self-serving hero at the start, but he changes as the story goes, he realizes he is a big asshole with superpowers when he almost kill a lot of people in a bus, and his friend throws that fact in his face. That was a great movie to me.
Billy was a kid who ran away from foster homes because he longed for the love of his real mother and had to face the fact that his mother abandoned him and accept the love that his new family had to offer not quite the same mate and in the beginning of the movie that is elaborated thoroughly
@@sphamandlasibiya6773 That doesnt change the fact he was more focused on himself than on protecting the people with his powers in the beginning. I didnt say Shazam was like Miss Marvel in EVERY aspect, i said he was in THIS aspect.
@@rippercyclotron3803 The reason why he doesnt care doesnt matter at all when we compare them. If you are making a bad use of your powers, and causing suffering to others because you are an orphan with a tragic backstory or a teenage girl that wants fame it doesnt matter, they are both wrong.
I feel you can have a self-serving hero. At least to start. THE Spider-Man began his career as a character of self-service before Ben told him his words of wisdom, and Booster Gold is a "hero" from the future who stole tech and went to the modern age to get famous. The thing writers must to with self-serving heroes is to make them confront this problem, not make it a quirky character trait
They may have supernatural powers but they are not heroes when they are self-serving. They don't become a hero until they become self-sacrificial. That's the archetype of the hero. If you look at The Boys, Homelander and his ilk do all of these amazing 'super hero' things but behind the scene it's all self-serving which removes the heroic aspect of it. Simply having the powers doesn't make one a hero, it's the heart that makes one a hero. That's what these super hero stories are getting at.
Let's roll it back a little. Peter Parker's self-service came in parlaying abilities he already had to try and get himself and his aged guardians out of 1960's Queens. His one BIG MOMENT of selfishness was refusing to stop a guy who robbed the shady promoter *who had just screwed him over on prize money*, and he paid for it with his uncle's life. That's a shade different from "I want to be powerful so everyone will love me and I can date Generic Handsome Teen Actor (who appears to be at least 25)."
Exactly, most self-serving superheroes (anti-heroes are another different category) can work perfectly fine as long as they learn what being a hero truly is (Shazam is another good example); the golden rules of becoming one (eventually) are: 1.- Tragedy. Whether it's a tragedy that happened to them, or that is happening in their world, the reality is that the existence of a hero is a tragedy in itself; the true tragedy is that a hero is needed in the first place. Self-serving superpowered beings might start the superhero job out of spite, pride, a whim, etc. But once the realization of how many lives depend on them hits them, that's when their true character is revealed, and they will choose to become true heroes. 2.- Self sacrifice. Think about it, you, as a superpowered being might save a person, a group, the world, the galaxy, the universe, etc. but if you didn't lose anything, be it your time, someone you love, your dream career, energy, money, your body, your life, your mental health, anything, then it doesn't feel earned, that's why we admire superheroes, but we *definetly* don't want to be in their shoes. 3.- Resilience. What distinguishes a superhero from a common person is that they learn to persevere a little longer. Mostly anyone else (including myself) in their shoes would give up and live a normal, or at least better life. We would use our powers in a self-serving way, or just give them up. Superheroes are willingly staying because they value the lives of strangers over their own. That is extremely unhealthy because they are basically destroying themselves, but they can't help it. We, as individuals, have the right to be selfish because taking care of one-self is the healthiest thing anyone can do. Superheroes choose not to. 4.- Humility. Superheroes *never* feel entitled to gratitude, recognition, credit, or anything of that nature. They *know* that the same people they save might never thank them or even appreciate what they do; they might even treat them like dirt, and sometimes superheroes internalize that feeling and try to give up. But that doesn't stop them for long; they still put others above them no matter what. Some of them *do* have a superificial, snobish and self centered personality that makes them whine, get anger attacks or feel sad about not being appreciated for what they do and their sacrifices, but they still choose to keep saving lives because it's the right thing to do. While a lot of them get appreciated enough, they never think they deserve because that's not why they are "Superheroing", instead, they tend to have guilt complex in their own unique ways. 5.- Fear and vulnerability. This one comes in all shapes and forms, and I would argue this one is for every character, but is especial for superheroes, because Superheroes are brave, they have courage, and you can't have any of those without fear. Being vulnerable allows them to be human and conect with the people they want to help. That's what usually keeps them going when everything seems lost. This is also why new superheroes that try to be empowering usually don't work; being a superhero, as awesome as it looks, is probably the most miserable and thankless job you could ever have. This is why we love them; when the creators remove the thing that makes superheroes admirable, they completely fall apart. Don't take me wrong, superheroes *can* be empowering, but that comes after they went through a whole painful journey to learn some humility. What we love about them, on top of the things I mentioned, is the fact that every single one of them has different character traits, moral codes, weaknesses, personality and character flaws, and when we see them dealing with those flaws and become heroes, THAT'S WHEN WE ARE ROOTING FOR THEM LIKE CRAZY. Added some edits for things I left out the first time**
Love how they're still using the "geeks are unpopular and bullied all the time" idea, despite it not being accurate since the MCU has been around. When I was a kid in the 80s, geeks who liked scifi, books and comics WERE ridiculed and bullied. Now? Over 90% of the world is a self-proclaimed geek who is in to superheroes, scifi, comics etc. They're honestly trying to push the idea that a girl would be an outcast for being a fan of real world superheroes? Also, every scene in this trailer shows her with her crowd of friends. Again, back in the 80s I had ONE friend who was in to the same sort of geeky stuff as nerds like me were social outcasts. The mere fact that she is constantly surrounded by her mates shows how easy these poor little geeks have it these days.
@@Fuzzycat16 I used to be a larper and got bullied relentlessly. But THEN... Lord of the Rings was released and I swear to god, in a week, it was suddenly cool. And it never changed back again... not that think it should but yeah. Already then, the culture just shifted. Lord of the Rings was just instantly the cool thing and anything related to it super cool.
Yes this is correct. But consider this, maybe she is trying to join a new crowd rather than appreciate the friends she already has🤔. Just spitting here.
Why are you pretending to know every single high school kids experience even though you admit you haven’t been in high school in decades?? I was in high school just a few years ago & we definitely had plenty of bullies lol
A good idea to turn this into an interesting story would've been to show her as a self-serving person who wants to become a superhero for fame but then she realizes that it was too big of a responsibility and it was much more than just fame. Then she would have to deal with the consequences.
Maybe her recklessness severely impacts her family, where she loses her older brother (the one she views as the 'mummys boy' and had a grudge that he gets away with everything) and she has to step up and accept what she was doing before was wrong. Going through phases where she doubts herself, her intentions change from popularity to purpose, when there is an existential threat that she must learn to fight, like a geeky, brown Spiderman.
@@Southasianchameleon I love the brother angle as a comparison. What if she gets her powers, misuses then for superficial fame and never tests, understands or develops them. Then something happens where her brother is expected to defend the family in some way and gets badly hurt or killed. It really would be interesting flesh out the automatic responsibility and seeming disposability of boys/men in times of war/danger juxtaposed with ms marvel realizing that even with flashy powers she wasn’t the one internally compelled to put herself in harms way. That fear of injury and death is still there and she hasn’t been brought up to be a future protector for a family as her brother was. She then has to grow in multiple ways, she has to better understand the often unfair expectations placed on boys/men and grapple with whether she wants to do the work of developing her powers and sacrificing her peace and security to be a hero since she has the privilege of just not wearing the bracelet.
If Disney was smart, they would see a great opportunity to subvert expectations. Let her discover these powers and use them to be popular. Her inexperience and lack of humility leads her to be destructive and more of a villain. Then she would learn the hard way about the true price of power and she would face off against other Marvel heroes who deem her as a threat. But nope. That's just wishful thinking.
It sadly true i could see her at first being a good superhero but her mindset in things take a turn for the worst. An slowly does more harm then good, it will be like the one episode from the Original Power Puff Girls cartoon titled *"Hot Air Buffoon"* , the Mayor started at first doing good. But, went mad with his new found Power and essentialy see everything as a crime and vent out blind justice on innocent people. If they show how Ms. marvel start of good but begin to take her Justice too blind extremes, for example some guy accidentally parked his car next to a fire hydrant and she comes in a smash up his car. An she beat up someone else, cause they littered in the streets or stepped on a Don't step on the grass area, sending them too ICU. Essentially, disregarding the whole "With Great Power Comes Great responsibilities" and become a public nuisance to the point she's got the police, military, and a few Avengers going after her. An she slowly realizing she has become more of a villain then a hero.
Have her actually be a superhero that takes her religion fully to heart. Starts killing people who won't convert to Islam, refuses to save anyone whose not a good practicing Muslim and thus not a person, have her start to confiscate drivers licenses from all the women in the city and force them to wear Hijabs or be stoned to death. Grabs the gay kid from her class and flies him into the air to yeet him to his death. You know, the shit that we *know* they do in Muslim countries. Or have her travel to one of those countries and be confronted by the horrors of her own religion and rethink her entire morality.
@Frankie Warman- you can’t do that. Disney stores and bookstores selling that would be firebombed. You have to understand, they hold their religious opinions over everyone. This includes non-Muslims. There was a Sharia court in Texas who kidnapped a non-Muslim man who violated Islamic law. The kidnappers and the court members were arrested and convicted for false inprisonment. The courts made it clear that you cannot discipline people outside your religion. Making a story like that is blasphemy to them and they will hurt people.
I wish they kept her goofy stretching powers. It'd have much a more interesting movie where she's like 'Oh come on, why do I have the lame powers compared to Thor or Iron Man?' Then over the course she becomes a hero and learns it's not the power, but how you use it.
Well she’s practically a whale in the show so the hands would look ridiculous on her. Being fat diverse muslim pakistani doesn’t make you a hero it makes you a liability to others. Imagine her chasing a villain lmao I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave her flight for that reason.
It was so entertaining, watching Carol Danvers in End Game. One guy cheering for her saving Tony and Nebula at the beginning, people groaning as she took out Thanos's ship, and then the cheers as she got Donkey Kong punched out of the rest of the fight.
@VOLD GAMER While I enjoyed it, those "best" moments, for me, are usually performed by Steve Rogers. Like when he stood up after even Thor stayed down and tightened the strap of his broken shield.
@VOLD GAMER Second best. Mjolnir flying into Steve's hand is still just so fucking cool. It was the 1 moment of Endgame at my theater that got a bigger pop than Thanos punching Carol out lmao
Feige no doubt shoehorned Danvers into the whole thing at the end of Infinity War, and I’m sure he and Disney really wanted her to ultimately defeat Thanos, thereby justifying her existence in the first place. Thankfully the Infinity War/Endgame writers realized how much of a botch that would’ve been and opted to have Thanos knock her out of the frame with one punch. Besides, Scarlet Witch would’ve squeezed the life out of Thanos if he didn’t have his ship fire at everybody in the ground.
Frankly, I think having a teen hero who starts in a world that's well-established to be filled with them and suddenly getting powers like whatshername is a great chance to explore what living in a world full of supers like. You could even have the internal conflict being centered on figuring out what to DO with the powers, even debate whether having powers automatically means you should be a hero in the first place. Just because you learn kung fu doesn't mean you should start beating up bad guys.
The “I feel sorry for myself because I’m not rich and famous” trend has taken over Hollywood. Classic morals are made fun of and considered out of touch.
And people ask themselves why Hero Aca and Demon Slayer are outselling the entire american comic book industry. Short answer: Because they depict REAL fucking heroes and REAL fucking villains.
The character Hellcat in Netflix's Jessica Jones series goes through a similar "I wanna be super because I want to be famous and glorified" persona. But because the story is mature-themed, that mentality is shown to lead to her killing people and expressing criminal ideation. Kamala would be more interesting if she had an arc where she exhibited egotistical or villain tendencies, but grew out of them to become actually heroic. But alas, Marvel was not interested in personality development, but in her meeting identity checkmarks.
Honestly, a movie/show about a drunken Scottish guy in his late 30s with deep-seated regrets all of a sudden gaining superpowers is a great idea for a show that I would definitely watch.
He probably got his superpowers from a "magical" bottle of whisky ;-) Anyway, having "deep-seated regrets" in his 30's sounds a bit too premature. Just wait till he hits 60. That's when the going really gets rough...
I know, and it's front-runner was a white man and its main villain a white man. No matter how much money they throw at these other projects and idealistic directors and writers they never come out as good as Daredevil. Whose only objective was delivering a good Daredevil show and not preaching.
The moment when Thanos punched Plank with the power stone was probably the first time she experienced any form of physical pain ever since she unlocked her full power, and it only took the physical embodiment of all power in the universe to make that happen. And it didn't even truly injure her, it just knocked her out of the movie for a minute so the plot could happen.
You know one of the best Superman stories I ever read was Peace on Earth. In it the Man of Steel tries to personally tackle the problem of world hunger, but runs into a whole host of issues he never realized he would have to deal with. Ruthless warlords taking the food and harming the locals, some nations getting immediately hostile assuming ulterior motives, some people just acting like animals and selfishly tearing at the food delivered individually. At the end of it, Superman realizes that not only can he not solve this kind of problem personally, but that it's not one that a super man really CAN solve. It's a real eye-opening moment for a man whose routinely called too powerful, that there are problems not even he can solve. In the end, he surmises that the best he can do is try to teach people to be better and kinder to each other, and hope that the message reaches as many people as possible. We need more of those kinds of stories.
Dam man thats a really deep and interesting story, never heard of that superman story before. But i wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that kind of story because it doesn't push the right kind of "MESSAGE" even tho its DC, they are slowly falling into the same pit unfortunately.
I have a very filled out collection of DC Silver age. Thousands. They are currently stashed away in my Daughters large Cold Room. It occurred to me that if my (3) Grandkids find them .. Oh oh.. So much for value. I better warn Barb.
A good internal conflict for her to deal with would be realizing that being a superhero isn't just a pedestal to improve your position in the high school hierarchy and that it's a responsibility that comes with danger and requires sacrifice. She then has to figure out if the fame is worth giving up her life
Also that being a superhero is being a leader in your community, which you can't do if you have self-serving goals. Simply donning the suit isn't enough: it's about how that responsibility shapes and changes you to be a better person through the challenges you encounter along the way.
The message of "letting go of your insecurities and accepting themselves for who they are" has been done correctly; it's Kung Fu Panda. The message their works because 1. Po has a clear origin story 2. Po has defined powers and abilities 3. Po has an internal struggle and 4. Po has an external struggle. Po has to go through humiliation, rejection and pain to become the legendary dragon warrior. Characters like Captain Marvel does not go through that kind of struggle.
@R. P. It is insulting to not treat women with more respect in writing. Nearly every woman I know is extremely hard-working and puts their all into what they do; so to see them lazily put in movies like this and turned into a Mary Sue is disappointing. We need more Ripleys and Sarah Conners. Hell even some of the old animated super hero shows (DCTAS) did a better job with characters like Batgirl, Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
Ms. Marvel(danvers) has had problems since her comics origin. She was created solely for copyright purposes. Like spider-woman and she-hulk. And Marvel Entertainment Inc has been at a loss as to what to do with the character. 😕
When I was in high school, many years ago, I was a nerdy introvert. I only had 3 friends, and was bullied a bit in school. I was never invited to parties, never part of the "cool kids" groups. I was not an outcast, exactly, just kind of a social nobody. Watching this trailer, where a plain looking, pudgy girl somehow had friends and was invited to parties and still part of the social group really felt unrealistic to me. I wasn't pudgy, but I had a bad haircut and uncool clothes and glasses. I was not "conventionally attractive", which coupled with my introvert tendencies made me the social outsider that I was. It didn't make me depressed, it just made me feel like an outsider. Watching this girl, I would have expected her to follow the same kind of path. They focused on her drawings, and her elaborately decorated room, and her religion. She's plain looking and overweight, and looks somewhat introverted, so I would expect her to be an outsider like I was. Kids in high school can be very cruel, and it just doesn't feel relatable that she has such a comfortable existence even before she gets the magical powers. I think it would have been a much more interesting story if she DID start as the outsider, maybe with some conflict of her religion getting in the way of blending in. SOME kind of actual challenge, other than just wanting to date WAY above your league. Was this show WRITTEN by 12 year old girls?
I never get tired of Thanos punting Carol across the field with that haymaker. Even in the Theatre my Mom cheered when it happened as well as half the audience.
i never read the carol reboot comic.. so i went into the theater expecting 1990s ms.marvel carol with xmen rogues powers. i have no idea who this brown girl or who captain marvel is... i want my damn ms.marvel 80s-90s canon
Awesome video as always! I am afraid the trend that Marvel is setting (mixing fiction with real life agendas), in today's day and age, we will never be able to see another Iron Man 1 like movie from Marvel. Tony was narcissistic and a sexist character, that's just who he used to be. Making him turn around his life in 10 real life years is what gave him a great character arc. I'm afraid if Marvel keeps satisfying only one group of people without being true to the source material, we will never see such character arcs on screen in the MCU.
I didn’t think I’d see you here, Lad. But I agree with you completely. If Marvel keeps trying to spread “The Message”, they’re gonna run themselves into the ground and they won’t recover from it.
@@alantinoalantonio I get that but you know what I mean... I don't know those fancy terms exactly but you get my point. The point is, Tony wasn't a politically correct character and that's what made him great at the end when he turned himself around. If you don't let a character be bad in the first place, how do you turn him around at the end? You can't just start being "perfect". Then what gets left for the end is "accept who you are". Had Tony accepted who he is, he would have never stopped selling weapons to criminals. The journey of self-criticism is much more realistic and enjoyable rather than some "accept who you are" shit.
One frustrating thing about the character of Kamala Kahn is that "Wants to be a super hero so she can be popular" could be a great start for a teenage hero. It is a motivation that many of us felt at a younger age, but it only works as the flaw that a hero will eventually overcome. Imagine if the story played on her selfish desire and in her attempts to do great things in a flashy "Superhero" way she only makes things worse, and eventually falls into despair realizing that her goals can't be achieved as quickly or as easily as she wants. Then after soul searching and training herself to improve her powers, she finds that she enjoys being a hero even if it doesn't bring her adulation. Instead, she finds joy in making the world a better place and serving as an example to others; as Captain Marvel was (assumedly) an example to her. The problem is that I don't think Disney would write that story. It would portray Kamala as petty and flawed at the start of her story, someone who needs to improve herself to become the hero she wants to be. All Disney can seem to write about now is characters who are very powerful and their journey is simply to prove that power to the world at large. Which is sad because a story about a character learning to understanding their own personality and improve its flaws would actually be a unique story that might resonate with the struggles of the youth market that Disney want to speak to with this show.
Yes. This is the biggest problem I've had with the way a lot of the female superheroes are written. They're already powerful and perfect. They never have to learn, train, or do any hard work to get from decent to good to better. Are these the models that parents want for their daughters? "You're a girl, so you're already perfect and the absolute bestest evar. On your first try you should be able to do ANYTHING better than people who have built careers doing the same thing. Fly the Millenium Falcon better than Han and stuff like that. And if you can't, it's just because you're holding yourself back." And maybe this is why we have so many young women dealing with anxiety and depression: it's an unnatural and unreasonable standard to put on them. "If you can't do everything better than experts it's because you're letting yourself down." No, that's completely fair. 😐
I feel, in a way, Thats basically Mysterio in Far from home. Part of his motivation was to rub it on Tony's grave, but the other was doing the "superhero for fame" thing. To the point where he is willing to sacrifice people for "making a better spectacle".
It would actually be cool to see a superhero who just wants to be a superhero because "it's cool". Hell, it's really relatable. I'm pretty sure we've all, especially when we were younger, wanted to have super powers and fight villains and be loved... I mean yeah... it's cool. But maybe she then gets into an actual fight and gets hurt and finds out it's hard and dangerous. And she wants to quit. But for some reason or another she decides to get back into it. It would actually be very cool to see a character who isn't an inherently good person who feels that she just "has to do the right thing", nor does she actually NEED to be a hero. There's no outside factor making her do so... she has to somehow motivate herself to do the right thing, even when she has more to lose than gain. How does one do that? I think it would be neat to see
She's a prime example of today "I want there fore I deserve, and I get because I want...." Vain, narcistic , self entitled Tik Tok'ers, Instagramers', and Twitter users would LOVE her.
"They will never understand" line from wandavision I think is the most offensive and disturbing ever written. It encapsulates modern day woke idealogies that every time I hear it I get pissed.
@@dannypalin9583 Thanos wasn't a hero he was a tyrant and cruel even though the snap seemed not to be agonizing for people and somewhat merciful. What's Wanda's excuse?
wanda: loses vision by thanos killing him. wanda: makes a fake town and enslaves countless people to forcibly partake in her sick roleplay. meanwhile the millions of parents of cancer patients:
@@frankbelmont1565 In fairness, I feel like Wandavision was a low effort disney-fied pastiche of the House Of M storyline from the comics. In other words, yeah, Wanda is a b*tch. She always was. Trouble is, the MCU can't point to her father for why she turned out that way.
A character who’s notably religious and happens to be a marvel property is Kurt Wagner, AKA night crawler, and while he’s notably Catholic and makes it known every now and then, it’s not his entire schtick, he’s a character besides being just “the Christian one”, his identity as a Christian doesn’t define him but it does play a role in his life. He’s a pacifist who believes there can be good in anyone and has relied on his faith to help him through tough times and understand the world around him. His religion doesn’t define him, but it’s an aspect of him. Ms Marvel? She’s a Muslim character, but she’s really just that, a Muslim character. There’s nothing about her background that really plays a part into who she is other than I guess receiving judgement from others for being Muslim and Pakistani? They could’ve done interesting things with it and used her background as a new perspective, but it’s not really utilized at all.
Dang couldn’t have said it better myself. I think the motivation behind the creation of these characters has a lot to do with it too. In the movies Night crawler wasn’t put in to appeal to a catholic demographic, but it’s blatantly obvious that this is exactly why this new character was made.
They also occasionally put him at ODDS with his religion in that Kurt looks like your traditional demon and even leaves behind a scent of sulfur when he teleports. They won't even address that her religion is sexist as fuck and would likely denigrate her for being a female superhero and a muslim and especially for showing her face while she does it. She's literally an example of everything a Muslim woman is taught not to be in any countries actually controlled by an Islamic Caliphate.
And her muslim part is also a misrepresentation, most of actual practicing muslims disagree with this representation and think that it's a mockery of religion. I agree with Kurt wagnar and I liked how they portrayed him as a practicing Christian. It's not about you showing mosque or church it's about how u carry yourself and your display of values and morals
Watched the first three episodes. I felt like I was watching "That's So Raven" or "Lizzy McGuire" or any other Disney TV show centered on characters in High School. Ms. Marvel is just "That's So Raven" if Raven found a magic bracelet that gave her super powers. I liked WandaVision. It's homage to the sitcoms of the 50s, 60s, & 70s were well done and the twist of realizing you were actually witnessing Wanda's descent into madness was excellent. I liked Loki too. I have enjoyed the character arcs of Thor and Loki in the MCU. Loki letting himself become softer, develop a friendship with Mobius and fall in love with a female version of himself was good in my opinion. I even liked Hawkeye. But these last 2 entries have just plain stunk. John Lasseter demonstrated at Pixar that you need to have good, relatable characters, good scripts, and good casting to make great movies. Unfortunately, Disney/Marvel seem to have forgotten that with these two latest offerings. Too bad. Drinker is right, there's a lot of material here to work with that could have made a really good series.
A fellow Hawkeye enjoyer! Hawkeye felt like it recaptured that street-level crisis that most of the MCU has abandoned in return for 'world/universe/multiverse' ending threats. Watching Ms.Marvel, though, was like watching a train wreck. I thought the first episode had some charm, the animations showing her perspective were quirky but at least something different, but as the show progressed it just dissolved. They stopped doing the animation gimmick right after the pilot which was just jarring, the characters became boring, and the plot itself just collapsed. Yet I watched with horrified fascination to see just how it ended. A shame that this was the series that introduced mutants too.
They’re making characters who are no longer who we need to look up to and admire. They’re people who we look down upon because they aren’t willing to take matters into their own hands to correct the problems in the world and instead complain, moan and otherwise ask others to fix their problems. They aren’t there to entertain. They’re there to preach to the audience about how terrible they are.
Yep and others say their supposed to be "flawed". Sorry but characters being so rude and unbearable isn't a flaw, it just means you made a bad character we shouldn't care about
It's like the reverse of what Syndrom said. "When everyone is super, no one will be." If the left make all of the "hero's" into representation of today's woke crowd, then we wont have heros to admire any more. Some may even question why heros were liked to begin with. And maybe that's the goal.
I think it's a bit simpler than that. They're making characters to represent different types of minorities in society. The story doesn't matter, only checking the boxes of representation. Being seen is far more important than being liked or admired.
Whenever someone writes a character as 'Muslim', or indeed any religion, I always ask how much does her faith apply to her? Because you can definitely make a really cool religious superhero, the issue is applying their faith in a way that makes sense and requires a deep understanding of the faith in question, which most people just don't bother to do. And from what I've seen good religious characters are in short supply, the last really badass one was Joshua Graham from New Vegas
Agreed. Will she have any struggles dealing with the radicals of her faith? Demands to behave like a good Muslim girl and walk behind her man, wear a Burka, and deal with sexual harassment, knowing her word is less than a man in a court of Islamic law?
I've played New Vegas but never got round to leaving Goodsprings (I was procrastinating an essay and decided playing NV was a better use of my time), so what's Joshua Graham like?
Well as a Muslim, she isn’t really religious at all. Because of the fact that Muslim attire is apart of the faith and well she doesn’t follow that code. This character is just a way to “diversify” the marvel universe and i doubt Islam will play a major part to her character unlike daredevil who is catholic and that’s actually apart of character
A possibly good story arc would be she only thinks of super heroes in a romanticized view such as for fame and glory, but after gaining powers she realizes that life won't be perfect even if you have everything you could want. And it would be interesting to see her grow as a character and shift mindsets from fame to true heroism and become a more humble person in the process Unfortunately I doubt we will see this in the show and get something far more disappointing
@Erik Kemeey Why? Becouse all things considered if you look at it from another angle its clear that what they meant was that if you catch onto the real meaning then it becomes obvious that despite having to do all of it at once in the end it still wont be clear. I guess thats why
@@andrewww13 similar but different. Tony gets to see have much damage he has done in person while Ms Marvel gets a wake up call to how much being a superhero sucks. Look at what JUST happened to Spidey
@@uc4490 Kind of funny that Spidey fought in favor of the Sokovia accords, to then attempt to rewrite reality when the fact that his identity was known became a problem.
It's Disney, what do you expect? There's a reason people prefer Deadpool, Venom and Spider-Man than the things Disney does. Be thankful Disney can't buy DC comics and have a monopoly.
Dude, I got the fix right here. Check this out: Kamala's fights against villains cause property damage and lightly injure some civilians. The MCU's J. Jonah Jameson reports on these incidents and makes Kamala look like a dangerous kid with weapons she doesn't know how to control, which is very true, and seeing this discourages her greatly. This bad press also plays into stereotypes about Muslims being dangerous or being terrorists, so her family also wants her to stop using her powers because the Muslims in her area start seeing prejudice against them. Kamala has to decide between laying low and staying out of the public eye, or using the power she was blessed with to help people, even if they disrespect her on a deep, hateful level. There, I gave her conflict to overcome. It's appropriate and timely without being preachy, because everybody can relate to it on some level.
As soon as you said "J. Jonah Jameson", I thought this was gonna lead to something like "Oops, I just described Spider-Man. Silly me. Go read that instead." But, no, you got constructive and real. This is a fascinating idea. And I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with Spider-Man showing up in one of the episodes, either!
Presupposing the Muslims in her community would want a teenaged girl who doesn't respect most of their customs or religions outside of the place of worship actually representing them. Or that the Caliphate would accept that a female was given superpowers before any of the good Muslim men (being y'know an incredibly sexist religion that sees women as inferior).
I read this character's comic. She was kind of a shapeshifter and also used her creativity. She tested her powers to see what she can and can't do in order to check her time limits, changing limits etc. Also she had small enemies if I remember correctly. Small street gangs or something. But, as usual, MCU writers didn't even bother reading beyond first 2-3 pages of her comic and came up... sorry, slapped the premade story package to their script, tweaked a few things for *the message* and adding random stuff screen writers want to put there for no reason, aaaand we got a new show. "Quick! Pour all the money to CGI budget so audiance will be distracted and they won't question our pathetic excuse of a story. We just need to sell it. If they figure it out later, who cares."
@@Carabas72 i agree, they've used the comics well, I have to say this has been one of the best made MCU shows/films, you can really tell the writers care about the story they're telling, this is also the most fleshed out side characters have been in any MCU show/film to date, I was wary when I heard about this show but having seen up to the fourth episode, I really like it x
I remember watching a spiderman cartoon show that used to came on disney XD, it was a while back and in it ms marvel belongs to a species called the inhumans or something I dont exactly remember, but the plot is that these inhumans dont really fit in well with normal humans, although they originate from the earth itself, so they make an island to live peacefully without interfering with the normal humans. most inhumans have pretty destructive abilities like hurling giant magma balls or freeze anything to death instantly or the worst, (who also is the leader of the inhumans) possesses a really destructive voice, and can destroy entire islands with a mere whisper , which is why they are deemed too dangerous to live in normal human society but ms marvels abilities are that she has a very elastic body and can change its shape and size however she wants, a sort of mix between ant man and elastigirl so she can kinda just blend in normal humans if she doesnt go around flexing her powers, which ofc she doesnt because she's naive and does face consequences because of that before finally being accepted as a good inhuman and she serves earth thereafter as well as serving a connecting link between the humans and the inhumans, often clearing a lot of misunderstandings between the avengers and the inhumans who almost went to war with each other in this new show tho all I see is her job is to represent a minority or something idk
well at the end of the series Kamala does become selfless and even though her parents tried to stop her she said that she can't just sit around knowing she can help people
"Expect disappointment and you won't be disappointed" - MJ For this film to turn around to a good story, they'd have to pull a Thor and make her deserving the powers she gets.
Based on some of the dialogue in the trailer, it seems like they might try to go that route of making her realize the responsibility of her powers, but considering all prior D+ TV shows it'll probably be a total botch job compared to Thor
If you want a depiction of an interesting female superhero from Marvel then for me it has to be Jessica Jones. I also loved Hayley Atwell as Agent Carter. It can be done and done well.
Haley Atwell deserved more seasons of Agent Carter. My wife and I loved that show and she hates superhero stuff. Well, most of it anyway. She has watched Captain America with me several times but I suspect she likes to see Chris Evans without a shirt.
I remember picking up some early issues of Ms. Marvel, curious about the challenge the writing staff had laid out for themselves. How was a young Muslim girl going to juggle her superhero activities while her family wanted her to have a male family member escorting her while out of the house? No, not an issue, she's off alone at all times, joining various superhero chapters and marching in pride parades. The Muslim identity was an aesthetic wrapped around the same American teenage superhero they were doing anyway. It could have been an interesting concept in the hands of skilled writers who weren't just pandering with surface level diversity.
Did it just all go down the toilet? I didn't keep up but the first dozen or so chapters did have a bunch of friction with her heritage. Loki showed up at one point but mostly it was just her fighting local mutants in Jersey City.
😑 It’s possible to be a practicing Muslim without being fundamentalist. Kamala’s family are clearly like most Muslims around the world, in that they’re religious without being extremist. I only read very little of Ms. Marvel myself, but I know the first page opens with Kamala smelling bacon and lamenting that she can’t eat any due to Islamic dietary laws. Just because Kamala’s brand of Islam isn’t the repressive version practiced in certain parts of the world doesn’t mean it’s empty branding.
Not watched the show, but I think it's good to have actors and actresses that no one has heard of. It gets boring seeing the same names on every projects and it always for new and fresh talent to step forward
The most depressing thing is reading the comments section for the trailer and people falling over themselves with praise even though they completely changed her powers and has the origins of a villain, wanting attention and power simply for the sake of having power for what looked like a bad CW show is absolute madness! Also its fine for teenage girl to ogle a half naked boy but no superhero female can even have an ounce of skin showing or a skimpy suit because that's 'toxic!'
Bruh, Wanda Maximoff spent four years wearing clothes that reveal a large part of her "assets". Natasha wore skintight suits for the majority of her superhero career. And are we forgetting the sleeveless top Gamora wore in Guardians of the Galaxy? Stop the cap.
Why everyone hero, every single one, needs to be a suicidal zealot? Seriou, why? Move a single hero can be there for fun and fame, not even a single one? Only slave soldiers of humanity are allowed in "heroes" three house.
The best part Captain Marvel's appearance in Avengers: Endgame when I saw it in the theater was when she was punched out of the movie by Thanos. I was delighted when a cheer spontaneously rose out of the audience. Pretty much exactly like what you show in this video. I have to ask, what does that say about a "Hero" when everyone is happy when she is destroyed?
honestly it would be great to see her start out as a self-serving, envious, jealous girl who first uses her powers for her own selfish benefits but over the course of the show slowly develops into a mature human being as she realizes the responsibility behind her being a superhero. but guess we’ll just have to see.
Don't we have enough of that shit already? Spiderman was pretty much a self-serving, short-sighted piece of shit for 3 movies already. Then there is Tony Stark in all his movies, a nominal hero. Loki who was shoe-horned in-to villainy then in-to kind of a hero, somehow, and that's after casually murdering people left and right. Gamora, Ant-man, Nebula, Doctor Strange, Thor and some others. It was done too many fucking times already. Thank you, no.
@@t.va.6611 with the exception of spider-man and iron-man everyone else you listed were villains with clearly evil goals. this girl just comes off as selfish and snobby, which spider-man isn’t either, and iron-man was already a billionaire who literally created his own superhero persona so no, we haven’t seen “annoying shallow teen girl develops into mature hero” from Marvel
@@t.va.6611 All of those characters kind of stopped developing at a certain point though, they never really had a mature character nor any of the characters reached a point of clarity. The peter parker in the spider man ps4 game is a really good example of what the MCU peter parker should be like at this point in his story. Still the awkward Peter parker, but one that knows fully the responsability of a hero (no pun intended)
Imagine if Tony Stark was characterized by him being a devout christian who really loves binging Friends even though he's already seen the entire series 20 times before and throws several barbecues every week because he ''only drinks when there's a barbecue'' and totally isn't an alcoholic. If you don't see my point yet,imagine if Rhodey was characterized by his love of Rap music,basketball and fried chicken. That's how stereotypical Ms Marvel seems to be.
No similar analysis for Moon Knight's trailer by the drinker, i.e he compares hero arcs established by 2 hour movies to a 3 min Ms Marvel trailer. Kudos to the drinker.
And also the fact that he doesn't compare the trailer of those very MCU characters to the ms Marvel trailer but instead compares the whole movie arc is really really dumb.
There’s no deeper and more inspiring origin story than Steve Rogers.. small, affected by asma and rejected 17 times by the US Army.. still keeps on trying and doing everything he can to fight for what he believes in.. And that is why cap is legendary.
A very similar reason why Daredevil has been my favorite superhero for around 20 years! His past is basically filled with trauma and tragedy. His PRESENT is also.....filled with trauma and tragedies! It's like he has almost literally over a dozen completely understandable reasons.... to be a VILLAIN. But he still chooses to be a hero instead. Even though life never seems to reward him in kind! It just always instill in my very moral compass to do the right thing.....ESPECIALLY when I won't receive any benefit/reward for doing so! But now we are reduced to chara ters whose motivation is 'Be a superhero....so you can be popular and have everything you want!" 😒
Nah, Marvel has made it pretty clear that he was irresponsible to give the shield to a black man because............? I dunno Falcon and Winter Soldier sucked.
@@hksalsatom It's part of the reason why I REALLY loved the way the MCU portrayed Tony Stark. It's like as much as I already knew his origin very well from the comics, the MCU absolutely did it justice in the way they presented it! As in Tony's journey was really, in its purest form, a story.....of atonement!
5 minutes in and I have multiple comments but im only gonna say one: It may be true that steve wanted to be captain america for a good cause but he experiences no character growth, no change, no character arcs that make him a different person. He stays the same in every movie. Kamala is the complete opposite changing and growing a lot while also figuring out who she is in the show.
Lol Cap goes on to be sacrifice he's whole life for his nation and the world. And at last he finally gets to spend the time with his love Peggy Carter. He's arc was totally opposite to Tony Stark who started out selfish and laid down his life for the whole world. Saying he had no character growth from The Avengers to Avengers Endgame is so wrong.
What the fuck are you smoking? His whole identity is based on protecting his country and that he believes in the system 100 %. His whole first movie literally shows him evolving into a person that no longer naively put their trust in authority. You clearly only wrote this because you couldn't think of anyone as bad as Ms. Marvels character arc lol
“According to Amanat, an executive at Marvel approached her for the job because she was different from their average employee. She said that the executive told her she had 'something different to offer than the regular fanboy who has read comics since he was a kid. [She has] a different voice, and [they] need [her] voice in order to change Marvel.' Currently, she is the Director of Content and Character Development at Marvel Entertainment.” The disdain _Marvel_ has for their fanbase is so obvious, when they actively seek out _something different to offer than the regular fanboy who has read comics since he was a kid,_ not to fill a void in what's missing, which is admirable, but to fill a quota, which is the height of corporate cynicism.
Marvel is just diving deeper down the rabbithole of shitty woke bs that will only slowly poison their fanbase against them, and honestly at this point, I’d pay to watch THAT instead of any of their shitty Disney plus schlock.
To be fair bringing in different view points for new characters isn’t a bad idea. The problem with hiring fans of characters is that they may not come up with ideas to actually challenge those characters. It doesn’t always work. Gareth Ennis has written some incredible Punisher comics, but his hatred for superhero’s has made him write some of them as out-of-character idiots.
This is 21st century consumerism. The foundations have already been laid. Things will sell to their primary demographic without any effort, so now they put all their effort and attention into expanding their reach to people who previously never gave a shit. Movies, tv, games, toys, seemingly everything nowadays. Who they market to now is not who actually used to like the stuff.
They seem to forget who the MAIN AUDIENCE IS, THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT YOUR FRNCHISE AND CONTINUE TO PAY YOUR SALARIES. PISS THEM OFF AND WATCH YOUR PRFIT MARGIN DISSAPEAR. KARMAS A BITCH AINT IT?
The problem is that having someone become a hero for petty reasons can make for a great story. Hero starts off as a selfish asshole, but gradually changes when he sees how grateful the people he's saving are. He begins to understand that doing good feels good. It could work. But I doubt they'll take it in a decent direction.
0:39 and the surprising part about that is that the only show you didn’t bother to watch was the one that didn’t have all that or if it did it wasn’t to an annoying extent
This show only needs a few things to be successful: - Consequences (no "get out of jail free cards) - Accountability (If mistakes are made, they shouldn't just be instantly forgiven) - Flaws (and I mean ACTUAL flaws, not artificial flaws that appear and disappear when the plot demands it)
Well.. you might be a little disappointed with the direction they went with.. maybe! maybe not.. i dont know.. i personally didnt like the 'Oh I like it, I should get it because I want it' vibe of kamala. Its more like that rich brat squirrel girl from willy wonka.. 'Daddy! I want Captain Marvel powers!'
You are lucky. Kamala gets consequences already in the second episode. I will not spoil anything but I do no envy her the kind of scrutiny she gets after showing her powers in public. Also she has flaws: the first two times she uses her powers are rather a mix bag of success.
@@arctic_haze I mean, not really. sure, she has the feds after her, and she has been yelled (?) at, but she doesn't really face any sort of immediate punishment for her actions (so far). If you want an example I'd be happy to give one, but I will omit it for now in order to avoid spoilers.
Here's the thing, Danvers was an awesome character once. She was flawed, had set-backs and worked well with the rest of the team. She also was mid-tier powerful at best. She didn't want to take the name Captain Marvel in the comics because Mar-vel was her mentor and one of her greatest loves. When she finally got over her grief and the blame she placed on herself for his death she assumed the role; as one of his last wishes. She treated it with a mix of trepidation and respect; spending years trying to live up to his example. Then Civil War 2 happened and she became a thought-crime punishing fascist who killed Tony Stark in cold blood. Sadly Disney latched onto the "All-New" self-righteous Captain Marvel and that's the one the rest of the world [non-comic fans] got to know courtesy of Brie Larson.
As someone who enjoyed Chris Claremont and Brain Reed's Ms. Marvel runs, as well as Kelly Sue DeConnick's first run (where she takes the mantle of Captain Marvel), what has happened to the character under Disney is just sad. I used to have all of my CM comics proudly displayed on my shelf. Now they're in storage and I'm one bad day away from selling the lot of them.
Yeah, I was super excited when I first heard she was joining the MCU because I thought, "Oh! I do hope they explain how Mar-Vell was a great hero in his own right, and that Carol admired and respected him enough to carry on his legacy." Then I learned about how she was being portrayed in the comics of the time, and how _that's_ the version they were going to use...
@@jvharbin8337 Kamala Khan was always a Muslim girl. Carol Danvers is not. Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel and became Captain Marvel after the death of Mar-Vell. Kamala Khan (whom the show is about) was always Ms. Marvel, and always a Muslim (at least from what I know).
as a gay latino minority guy, never felt represented by a super powerful girl with pretentious story, nor did i feel the need of a gay latino man being a super hero in the avengers universe now a muslim kid, doenst matter any gender, wont click any energy on me, fuck, not even any 1 i know in my country, muslim or not. BTW the term LATINX is offensive as fuck for every person in latin america, you know, the biggest part of the whole continent? cuz america isnt 1 country, america is the whole continent, people cultures, etc, yea.
"The main character came across as bland and unengaging, relying mostly on her religion and skin color to define herself. There was no mention of an antagonist or overarching threat of any kind. The art style was apparently designed to appeal to 12-year-old children with ADHD, and as far as I can tell, there isn't even a compelling origin story for her. It all just felt like bright, colorful, disposable fluff." Yep, that's Kamala Kahn... For someone who claims to know literally nothing about her, you pretty much summed up everything there is to know about her entire 8 year existence as clearly, accurately and succinctly as anyone possibly could. The difference between the comics and this is that they kinda changed her powers from Mr. Fantastic/Ant-Man powers where she can stretch and enlarge different parts of her body (she typically grows huge or creates giant feet or hands) into an energy-based version of that, perhaps to make her more akin to her inspiration, Captain Marvel (for some reason) and to make sure she doesn't feel too directly similar to the better, more established characters with more comparable powers. I don't have a problem with her Islamic religion being a huge part of what defines her, because at least that can inform her worldview as a person which, if she was actually written well, would give the character some depth. Unfortunately, every time her faith and allegedly devout family become even remotely relevant, it's basically this really cringe, sitcom-y, whitewashed representation of what it would be like to be a second generation westernized Pakistani girl from allegedly "traditional," first generation Muslim immigrant parentage who for some reason respects her individual choices not to cover her head in public and allows her to casually hang out with boys her age, you know, like a "traditional," "devout" Muslim immigrant family from Pakistan would totally do... There is potential for an interesting character in there if they actually took her Islamic, person from two worlds angle more seriously, but you're never going to get that because it's dangerous to treat brown-skinned Muslim characters with complexity and nuance without the Twitter gremlins calling someone racist and sexist.
1.kamala was born in New Jersey when she suddenly found a bangle for her costume and unlocked powers 2.shes able to turne light into solid from another dimension 3.shes struggles to get a boyfriend, high school, supporting her friend, youtubing and dealing with the fact that her best friend will be gone forever 4.she had to fight against the jins who were from another dimension who want her bangle to go home
At around 8:18 in the video, I’ve heard that’s actually something of an issue-outside the show. Magic is frowned upon in Islam, so when the trailer dropped people thought the bracelets were magic. Marvel waived that worry away by saying they were just space technology or whatever, completely removing the proposed dilemma
So they had an opportunity for actual conflict with consequences depending on how the hero responds, but instead chose to sidestep that? Never change, Marvel.
I'm guessing they changed her powers from the ones in the comics because they want to introduce the Fantastic Four soon enough. And I get it. Kamala having the same powers as Reed Richards before he is even introduced to the MCU would be lame.
They could have had the inner conflict of "I could use this magic for good but it's against my religion". Or she uses magic for her own gain (under the premise of doing good) and then she realizes what she was doing was wrong BECAUSE she's reminded of a passage from the Koran (making her beliefs actually be there for something other than a prop), and then having that inner conflict. But no.
If that's true, then let's hope Kamala will have some sort of concern or reaction when meeting Dr. Strange or interacting with any kind of magic in the future. Then again, it's Disney we are talking about, so...
I think we’re far beyond the “lets just wait & see how it turns out before we pass judgment” phase with these projects. If you’re in a store & see a fruit that’s half-rotten, do you have to buy it & taste it because that’s the only way you can be 100% sure it’s rotten?
To be fair i've found myself wrong with expecting some stuff to be shit recently. Arcane was a masterpiece and I thought it would be garbage. I was worried Elden Ring would be disappointing but it may just be peak gaming of this generation. It's always better to wait and give them a chance imo.
Honestly Moonknight looks like it'll be pretty good, at least for MCU standard. But yeah, the trailer for this was physically hard to get through, let alone the show..
But then, add in the burnout. Even if these projects were good, sometimes you've consoooomed way too much product anyway. After Endgame capped off the Infinity Saga, and NWH became a nice nostalgic cherry on the top, I just can't be fucked with Disney MCU anymore. I'd rather see the "Netflix" Defenders back again, or wait and see if Sony or DC will do something half decent soon. Just something other than the same shit Disney have churned out for 5 years that feels heavily recycled.
Only way I see this working well is to have everything goes wrong the moment she gets her powers. She ruins events unnecessarily because of her wanton use of powers, her self-proclaimed fame ends up alienating and ultimately ostracizing her once-loved friends, and her resentment of the life she has ends up costing her something of legitimate value, maybe even a family member. The only way, I'd argue, the show will work as is requires the ultimate villain to be herself. The issue isn't that there's some big bad guy that she has to overcome, the issue is that she has *no* idea what's she's actually asking for, and ultimately destroys everything she holds dear due to her inability to accept reality. That's not the show we're going to get, but the way I'd be most "for" this show is if it acts as a wake up call to all these rosy eyed post-millenials that your perception of reality isn't always right and if you aren't careful you can destroy what's good about your life in pursuit of something you never even needed.
Thank you - “ relies on her religion and skin colour to define her character “ Yup - as a Muslim it was a little cringy Suddenly an ideal and creed becomes an accessory much like everything else You didn’t need to know captain America was a believer in god or he was possibly Christian - but careful lines such as “ there is only one god and he doesn’t dress like that.” Covered a belief without tacking on the cringe. Also - am I crazy or are the super heroes getting less fit mentally and physically ???
Mental fitness has always been a weakness for heroes that helps people connect with them (when done well). The poor physical fitness of heroes is just stupid body positivity.
how does she use her skin color and religion to define her self? they showed ONE scene in the trailer that shows anything to do with religion. But of course, you guys will follow anything your dumbarse youtuber will say even when they are wrong.
They wish them to look more like the "normal" person...which is ironic because nobody pictures a "normal" looking superhero. They are generally the pinnacle of looks...
Show ain’t out yet chief so you have no idea about her character. Also wtf are you talking about less fit mentally and physically??!? WHY ARE SUPERHEROS LOOKING LIKE EVERYDAY PEOPLE? Why can’t the teenage girl be FIT AND HOT?!?!?
Really? So she's not being bullied or segregated in the slightest, but yet takes it upon herself (through sheer greed and self-service) to act as a damaged victim and "get stronger" only by trying to usurp power from others and claim it was their birthright, yet when others do the exact same thing, they're the evil ones and she's totally absolved of blame? Well, this is a totally unique story that has no real world reflection in the slightest, isn't it?
oh don't get too far ahead here. You better believe they are going to find a way for her to be mistreated and looked down on by none other than huwhytie
I believe that there are no bad ideas just bad executions. Heck, a teen wanting clout, gaining powers and with a growing ego is a great idea. Even the first Spider-Man didn’t think to use his powers for good at first- he wanted to use it to get money. It is a really good idea to lean into a hero who is driven by ego and impulsive teen brain- however the risks of using her powers have to have consequences. If miss marvel wants to be a show that has their main heroine defined by her being a teen and Muslim- then they can’t be afraid to show the unique consequences that come with it.
"If miss marvel wants to be a show that has their main heroine defined by her being a teen and Muslim- then they can’t be afraid to show the unique consequences that come with it." Which they will never do because it would sow discord with their Muslim audience. Disney makes movies, and if they decide to try to be political or philosophical, they will do so in the most centrist way that will ruffle the least amount of feathers. I predict if there is any cultural conflict at all, it will end with everybody accepting her for no reason with no reinforcing nexus between the character's obstacle and their growth. They'll accept her just because and throw in a sappy speech to patch it up.
@@mowgli6345 but the consequences don't have to lead to her leaving the religion. Rather they could do a scenario where she chooses her religious ideals over western liberal ideals , that would be fresh as well,as from what I have seen Muslim women if they go through character development only end up going to the opposite direction n holywood , but I guess this show is for westerns so either they just show her being Muslim sometimes while the religion having no effect over anything she does or they make her fully abandon the religion or else large part of the audience wouldn't like viewing a strict Muslim superhero
@@chailouai3084 Bro that's never going to happen. Women literally sit in the back during Muslim prayer. Marvel (and thus Disney) is on a huge social progressivism transformation, if you haven't noticed yet. YoU nEeD tO dO bETtEr SenAtOr
In the comics, her religion was only important when they were bored and then never really an obstacle to anything she really wanted to do. In spite of her family seeming to be the most extreme Muslims in existence, she was never forced to cover up in a major way, was totally allowed to mix with boys, and never encountered a situation where she said, "I can't do this because of my religious convictions." The only exception I know of is when she started - secretly - seeing a boy and couldn't get all sweaty with him because she knew she'd get in trouble with her parents. A side plot, basically. This is vanilla Islam meant to be nonthreatening and totally 'just like you'.
I actually like the concept that she is just an average teen with a wild imagination and desire to be "special", it's pretty relatable and realistic, every teen feel the world owes them fame until they realize the world doesnt revolve around them. I'm also kinda sick of every hero needing some kinda sob story as if tradgedy is the only thing that makes a character worthy of their story being told (this very trend fuels the "woe is me" mentality that a lot of insufferable karens have noways) not a lot of films let alone superhero films have focussed on a character that wasnt tragic and therefore immediately earns brownie points. I'm just skeptical that mcu at this point will actually do something good with this character and not just use it to push THE MESSAGE.
Superman is a good example of a non-sob story. He doesn't even know his parents died and planet blew up untill teen age. He discovers his powers in teen age and learns responsibility as he matures.
Ms.Marvel can easily be described as souless and corporate. There's nothing about her that is organic and timeless. Compare her to Spiderman and it's a night and day difference
To be fair I probably say Wolverine. Spider-Man is a high schooler you know obviously you got that High School bullies and all that crap but that in terms of like actual struggles and triumphs I would never put Spider-man up there. Wolverine to me has like the most interesting and horrible backstory that makes him more lovable than most people because of what he had to go through to get to where he was. Spider-Man was just given these powers and you know just kind of went about his day with them and then turn into this magnificent superhero with barely any real struggles.
Spider-Man’s a completely different character with completely different ideals and plots so to compare them makes you look dumb Ms marvel has not had half the comics or coverage Spider-Man has
probably because the inhumans show did so poorly they would have to spend a good deal of time setting them up so they could set up the terrigen mist that gave her her powers. easier to just have a make shit with her mind bracelet.
@@jaer.6540 1. I would rather seen goofy cgi than what ever this is. 2. How does she conflict with f4? I don't understand thsi point... if you wanna say "she is mr fantastic 2.0" than she is not, she has different powers...
"It seems like her character is defined by her skin color and religion." Dude that's true of the comic book Ms Marvel too. Its literally them making a show out of their worst selling comics.
To be honest i m a fan of the directors who did the bad boys for life movie ( for their work on patser) so they are the only reason om giving them a trust
Idk, I like that she’s a mega fangirl of all the older heroes to the point where she writes fan fiction about them. It’s “weird” but unique imo. The fact that she still uses the moniker of Ms. Marvel is a missed opportunity for an arc about finally being her own person and forging her own path tho
Dude this was one of the best selling comics when it first came out and was one of the most successful new characters for marvel when introduced and has been doing pretty well since....Now successful doesn't mean good but looking at the criticism many people that claim to have read said that the religion aspect is just window dressing snd barely plays a role. So while criticizing is fine why make a claim when its obvious your making it up? Is it just to jump on the band wagon?
Taking one look through the comment section of that trailer really does just highlight how much of an echo chamber some in the MCU Fandom have made it. Accepting stuff like this and making excuses for it is not the type of thing we wanna do with this property. By allowing more stuff like this to get past the threshold, we deny better writers coming forth with more interesting characters and ideas getting the spotlight they deserve. And let's be honest with ourselves, Kamala is not a very intriguing character. Drinker described her here the best; a watered down Ms. Marvel with ridiculous powers and abilities, created with the idea of diversity for diversity sake, now with the bend of appealing to the TikTok teens out there who'll eat this crap up regardless.
I mean, its doesn't look great to me, but I don't consider any MCU movie/serie to be really good, they are a great source of entertainment, but very few of them are good. This is one clearly is destined at attracting teenage girls to watch marvel movies and its probably normal that grown men aren't too excited for it.
@@andrewstepke7779 if that's the case, then why do trailers exist? Isn't the idea of a show's trailer meant to show you the best sum of it's parts and hook you into watching it? I would've watched if they just announced a title card saying they're making a show about Ms Marvel, but the trailer attached to it gave me all the reasons I needed to watch anything else.
@@commissarthorne3894 here's the problem buddy: I love both the trailer and ms. marvel as a character from the comics. so im hyped as fuck. some people aren't, great, just don't go shitting on it when it's not even out yet. Yes it's supposed to 'show the good parts' and to me it did just that. if didn't do that for you then just wait to see it when it comes out, or just don't, if you want. all im saying is, chill with the prejudging
also keep in mind that they are actively censoring the comment section and manipulating the likes. I am positive they are outright deleting the more negative comments.
MCU back in the day:- here's a new character we'd like to introduce. Let's give them some interesting character development and personality. MCU now:- here's a new superhero. They're totally awesome at everything already. And if you don't agree, you're wrong. You've gotta do better senator.
But then, add in the burnout. Even if these projects were good, sometimes you've consoooomed way too much product anyway. After Endgame capped off the Infinity Saga, and NWH became a nice nostalgic cherry on the top, I just can't be fucked with Disney MCU anymore. I'd rather see the "Netflix" Defenders back again, or wait and see if Sony or DC will do something half decent soon. Just something other than the same shit Disney have churned out for 5 years that feels heavily recycled.
Marvel back in the day , let's throw this character around the fantastic 4 , Spiderman, Thor, yadda yadda Yada now they have their own comic . Marvel today: oh look they're still doing that .
If you told me the premise on paper I would cringe to death. I didn’t watch the trailer. I’m nearly finished with the series and I have really liked it. Everything in my being told me to cringe and roll my eyes but I never did. I don’t know why, but I really like Ms Marvel.
Bright, colorful and disposable. Yeah, with a HUGE emphasis on the last one. I can't even start to care about Kamala 'Ms. Entitled' Khan, a girl who has her head in the clouds as she dreams of being a superhero for...attention. The fact Captain Marvel is her role model is exactly no surprise!
@@SpaghettiBrainX ? I never said I was mad. There'd have to be something to Kamala to make me like or dislike her. She is a child, and that's why I couldn't care less...which is still a huge problem.
@@charlesws7825 you don't need to tell people you're mad to be mad. But okay, whatever I'll give the benefit of the doubt. So why is it an issue that you don't care? Its okay not to care about things, especially when you aren't the target audience of the product
@@actsofswine7186 Then she has a bad taste. My six year old sister might have better IQ than your daughter. That sounds like a you problem and I am pretty sure this show is gonna bring up a wrong message like. You are always awesome even if you destroy everything around you. Like in Wanda vision. But your daughter, your parenting. You responsibility. I can just guide you. Keep her away from. These kinds of stuff.
In the comic, which this show seems to have tossed by the wayside, I always thought it was the family dynamic which made it work. At least in the early run. The internal struggle was what she wanted to be vs what her parents wanted her to be. It's the first generation immigrant kid story. Which loads of "great American novels" have been written from that base idea. This seems to have forgotten what made the character work. The ping pong between traditional parents with their expectations for their American daughter, and the expectations of the daughter who actually grew up in America. It's a story about a teenager, not an adult. And the eternal struggle of teenagers is defining themselves outside the influence of their parents. That story worked. Don't see this doing it.
No ms marvel comic “worked”, if the sales figures and insane quantity of reboots, retcons, and relaunches in a mere 7 year character history are anything to go by. Oh yeah, she also flopped as the lead of a triple A video game title. She was fluff made up because it was popular to virtue signal about defending Muslims at the time. That’s literally it, and it shows. But we’re really gonna see all fluff no substance taken up to 11 with iron heart. Oh boy.
You know you’re going to be talking to a boring person when they identify themselves purely by their race, sexuality, and/or religious beliefs. Because most of the time, that’s all they got going for them.
Hmm, can you point out when Ms Marvel said that? Just curious, because I've watched the trailer a few times again, but I still can't really find a scene where she identifies herself simply because of all that. Edit: Lol nvm, dunno how I missed it, yeah I get it now.
After having watched the trailer a few times through various breakdowns, this is what I've put together so far. Kamala is a girl who happens to be of Middle Eastern heritage and Muslim faith. Other than her own self deprecation does this ever seem to affect her life as they show no one using it against her. She obviously is in a family that has no problem with her wearing her hair out at the only time he has a head covering is while at religious service. She has friends but not the popularity she thinks she wants. Welcome to being a person. And she thinks being a superhero will change all of that without ever thinking how much a hero's life sucks and that their life no longer belongs to them. It's worse than being a movie star or musician because people will literally depend on you to save their lives and you will not always succeed. Take Endgame as an example. Despite restoring half of the universe, Tony and Nat died to make that happen. Vision was still gone and we saw how Wanda reacted ultimately. The loss of Tony as a guiding light for Peter broke the universe. Hawkeye will have to live forever with what he did in the 5 year period his family was gone. We haven't even seen post Endgame for Thor, but it's going to suuuuuuuuuuuck. Being a super hero is the worst. You do it out of a sense of unpayable duty and hope not to screw up too much along the way. Or you're Carol Danvers and the many strong female heroes who just have to be there to be awesome with no regrets. Anyway, I'm going away now.
Not every brown looking Muslims are from the middle East.There are Muslims in South Asian countries like Afghanistan Pakistan India Sri Lanka Bangladesh
@@metalhead9061 Ya got me. I don't claim to have the knowledge of that part of the world to decipher when it stops being Europe and becomes Asia. But at that point, isn't it just quibbling over a detail that doesn't make that much difference?
First I have one question are you white? Because I’m actually mixed race (Eurasian, English and Pakistani to be specific) and many Pakistani or Indian people or mixed raced people like me don’t have many Asian role models. Unlike all those on your list who are mainly white Americans who have everything handed to them on a silver platter. I don’t really give a f**k about the hardships those characters faced. I want to know what they’ve faced in real life. Not racism. Ms Marvel is a hero to many people and yes she’s meant to have flaws, I mean doesn’t every young teen want to be a superhero? It makes it more real that she wants to be in the spotlight. She can be a role model to South Asians and people from the rest of the world.
7:18 - hahahahahaha amazing editing. You can still see the green screen where the clip goes over. Matching the quality and attention the writers, producers, and directors will put into this show! Top Tier satire!
My ongoing gripe with Disney is how they take characters designed for older audiences then Disneyfy for a general audience consumption so they can maximize profits and sales It's why I'm worried about how the Daredevil, Punisher series will turn out now that they are under Disney. It's also why I think DC has an outside chance of garnering new audiences if they can actually offer mature, non predictable stories with complexities that go beyond "good guys win" concept
@@devoid4661 Exactly. It's all about how u do it. Not dark for the sake of dark, but storytelling that makes the world feel real. The Batman especially felt like this...unpredictable in how it breaks from the "good guys" wins without any casualties, ribbon wrap endings I still look forward to the day superhero movies evolve to where I don't already know you'll survive bcuz u are signed on to a 3 movie deal
3:56 actually the title of Captain Marvel was given to Monica Rambeau by news reporters, she then kept the name to honor his legacy( Honestly Monica in the comics is a really well written character and actually had something unique going for her since she actually has loving and supportive PARENTS at a time when all super hero parents where dead it was really refreshing to have a character like hers.)
She also had really interesting, yet simple, powers and she was BLACK! Like, FROM THE BEGINNING! How the FUCK did Disney skip over her to make the annoying white woman who can't act the big face of the next phase?
It was funny when Carol came back and found out that not only Mar-Vel died and she wansnt there, but also that Monica took the name. But that's because even at her best i never liked Carol so i liked her seething.
Can't say I ever had trouble "seeing myself" as the protagonist of films or stories that I liked. Telling me "hey, this character has the same skin color as you" doesn't get me interested in the story, it just make me concerned about the motives of the person bringing that up.
My friend, who's chinese, said one day "I dont care about seeing other asians in superhero movies, I wanna see aliens and gods and superhumans and love and loss, not someone who has just their race and gender orientation to define them"
Same. I relate to a lot of characters that are not Mexican. Though I think it would be cool to watch my ethnicity be portrayed, I don't relate just because they are brown and eat tacos.
Even as one of the racist, patriarchal oppressors, I have no trouble relating to GOOD characters different from myself. I liked Ripley and Sarah Conner, T'Challa and Rhodey, the Mariachi in "Desperado", and the "punch zombies in the face" Korean guy in "Train to Busan". And if one of my hate-filled, greedy, xenophobic kind can do it, surely anyone can.
Right? I loved miles morales in into the spider verse. I loved watching him go through struggle and hardship to become a real proper Spider-Man. And I especially loved the message at the end, where miles says anyone can wear the mask. Weird, you’d think that was impossible, given that I’m a *shudder* straight white male, but into the spider verse was easily my favorite Spider-Man movie, until no way home came out.
but many people have already got XDD It is sad how it's easy to grab some people attention. The trailer sucks, visually looks cool - the cartoonish part but the show doesn't seem to be good
"Clearly defined powers and abilities" - God, this one can't be overstated enough. One of the biggest reasons Captain Marvel is so awful is because we have no idea what it is she can actually do, or even what she does even when we see her do something. Blast of light. Great. She's a human flashlight?
Can't help but bring up My Hero Academia yet again. Even though Deku's initial power is essentially super strength, the series takes care to define it as a power that stockpiles strength and passes it on to the next holder. Even when he gets additional powers, those are also explicitly defined, as is what he needs to do to utilize them all effectively. Best yet, the initial power is directly tied to the villain.
@@byronsenior6499 - Except she also seems able to survive in space, exerts force on objects with light beams, is able to somehow act as an FTL engine for a spaceship she's not even inside of, and can somehow survive flying straight through spaceships. Oh, and she can also somehow hack a hostile AI's computer system. It's actually not clear if she has super strength at all, as I don't think we've ever seen her just casually lifting something a normal person wouldn't be able to manage. Her list of capabilities is.. rather broad and ill defined. None of them seem to really be related to one another or have an obvious source of power. We have absolutely no idea what her limits are. Can she go full death star on a planet? Can a regular human knock her out with a solid punch to the jaw? Does she heal more quickly than a standard human? Can she recharge a cell phone battery? If I hit her with a tranq dart, is she going down? To be honest, it sort of seems like she can do anything the writers need her to do at any given time, and can't do those things anymore when its convenient for her to not do them.
This is part of the reason I really dislike the MCU take on Carol Danvers. Like, Mar-Vell? He only had enhanced strength and endurance, and even then that's because Kree by nature are already stronger and more durable than humans. His equipment? Standard Kree military hardware (e.g. a flight belt, and a wrist-mounted version of the unibeam). Even after he got powered up and given the title as Protector of the Universe, his powers were still well defined: he could travel through space (leaving behind a rainbow trail of sparkles behind him), he gained enhanced strength and endurance, and he gained an ability called Cosmic Awareness (essentially a more powerful version of Spider-Man's spider sense). And even with these enhanced powers, he still got the crap kicked out of him a lot. Like, he was Thanos' archenemy for quite some time, and _never_ beat him in a straight fight. Didn't stop him from trying, and didn't stop him from getting back up no matter how much he was beaten down. MCU Carol Danvers? She has no challengers. Like, in Snyder's Justice League Superman effortlessly defeats Steppenwolf, sure, but we _know_ that there are others out there who can actually be a physical threat to him. MCU Carol laughs off blows that sent Thor or Hulk flying.
You did not even see her position, being an asian, you Have to be perfect, the show captures that her life feels like it's bound by orders and rules and she grows a mentality of being someone famous while really, she is trying to make her parents and herself proud without realising it, the show (so far) has handled that preety well. See something before you call it for kids or self-serving. You said she is selfish, that is why character development exists. She will grow out of her bad things and try to be the best person she can
@Imagdjamnevan Yes I do think that's an issue but I still hope season six could fix that. We have seen her interactions with people differently than her, I think her character's big episode will be the finale
I have to say, having lived through the release of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor: aside from bright flashes like Infinity War, it feels like Marvel has been handed off to people who never understood why those movies were so monumental. Maybe even resent them for it.
having a straight white male superhero is frowned upon these days because the entertainment industry appears to be monumentally fucked. Someone has to be "of colour" or gay or a combination of the two. I'm glad I don't have kids. Imagine dragging them into this woke hellhole.
@@bewmdogg To be fair, that's more of an issue from Marvel Comics. As far as the comics go, Kate Bishop does replace Clint Barton as Hawkeye, She-Hulk is treated as famous as Hulk, Ms. Marvel is more or less the same character as shown here, America Chavez is being pushed more, and Jane foster does replace Thor as Thor. The Movies and TV shows are just mirroring what the comics are doing. The biggest difference is that the comics can bring back characters whenever they want, while you can't keep the same actor playing the same role forever. On the flipside, atleast we are getting some long overdue stuff like Moon Knight, Blade (nothing was done since the 90s Blade trilogy), Daredevil Season 4 (rumoured), potential return of more Netflix characters (heavy rumours about the Punisher and Jessica Jones returning) and potential Thunderbolts team up. There is still some good content, I just hope that Marvel doesn't ruin it.
The Drinker might not have a crystal ball, but rather a crystal bowl and it's full of wisdom like 'The hero is only as strong as the villain he overcomes'. Thank you for this.
Well in the beginning Peter Parker used his powers to be a little more popular and win some money. The thing is he paid for his selfishness and learnt to be responsible. Something like that has to happen to this girl to become a good hero
You could also add that he at least tried to earn money in order to alleviate the financial concerns of his aunt and uncle (at least in the tobey movies). Which allows for a bit of selflessness to shine in his selfishness
@@whohimis194 Actually wasn't the Tobey McGuire spider-man trying to earn money to buy a car in order to "fit in" and impress the girls? (I seem to remember a scene with him flipping through the used car ads to find something he could buy)
@@Thishandleisnotavailabletoo It is explicitly not a trailer reaction video but a review of the entire show based only on the trailer (which I'm not sure he even watched given the inaccuracies in the video).
@@Thishandleisnotavailabletoo The ratings aren't actually low. They're just less high than they usually are. But they're still high. It's not as if Marvel is losing money on this show.
Having a hero who starts from a place of just wanting fame and recognition could absolutely be an awesome origin story, provided you used that to change the character and comment on some aspect of, fame, popularity, and/or heroism in the process. There's all sorts of ways to go about that. I would go with a "Holy shit, being a hero isn't just about being famous" and, "You don't play at being a hero. People's lives are at stake" sort of angle which could lead very easily into either a mid season, or near end of season sacrifice leading to character growth (think Spider Man and Uncle Ben but don't just copy that).
It's fine in a general sense, a character wishing for fame only to then realize that there are downsides and obligations attached to that and how they acquired it. That's all fine. I just feel that a character dreaming specifically of super powers, only to then find some randomly in the attic... it's like the bluntest way you could go.
The only way I can see this working is if she wants to be a hero because she sees the glory and fame. When she gets them though, she very quickly discovers being a hero is more like it is for spider man. Stressful, difficult and alienates friends and family; despite the hard slap of reality to the face however, she perseveres and becomes the hero she dreamed of. This is a modern show and it's a modern Disney show, so that isn't happening.
As someone who has a Marvel comic book collection of around 600 comics, mostly XMen, Wolverine, Spiderman and Avengers - not to mention the collectors editions of XMen volumes spanning over decades of stories I can't even be bothered to watch Eternals, Hawkeye or Loki. Ms Marvel was a terrible character in the comics so I have more interest in cleaning out my downstairs toilet while listening to Enya on full volume than watching Ms Marvel. Do better Marvel/Disney.
Eh hawkeye was ok. It wasn't amazing and the plot was a bit weak but Kate Bishop is genuinely likeable and plays off Clint and especially Yelena really well. It's the least egregious of all the disney plus shows imo.
That very thing has been happening in real life in U.S. politics over the past 50 years. Most people don't want to spend their discretionary time and money seeing more of the same in a movie.
If you wanna look to a character who’s religion ACTUALLY has a central theme, arc and importance, look towards our “really good lawyer”: Daredevil (Netflix). Matt Murdock and his Catholic faith are explored with so much depth and makes for compelling storytelling about a man questioning his religion, his god, and his ideals. That’s a story that explores religion and it’s impact on a character quite well… I assume we won’t be able to say the same for Ms Marvel
Using religion as a main selling point of a character in marvel stories is kind of stupid. Do not get me wrong, I completely agree with you and with Matt Murdock. But here one of the main points that Marvel is hoping to attract people to this is that she is supposed to be the first muslim superhero in the MCU.... which on one hand is fine because it gives people who truly care about it some representation but also is weird since this is a world where multiple polytheistic pantheons exist (Asgard Olympus etc.). No other hero so far even mentioned his personal religion (except Steve in Avengers where he said that there is only one god and he is not wearing a cape.) Irony is that the true god or creator of the entire multiverse is the One Above All who is the true monotheistic supreme god of the entire Marvel universe and is representing the authors of the comics and looks like Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.
Another character that would also be really interesting to explore religiously is Nightcrawler. If you watch his episode from X Men TAS, he is super cool and I'd love to see him done right in the MCU
Honestly an origin story where the hero is a young child/teen who only wants to be a superhero because it would be cool, or make them popular. And for awhile it works for them, they get what they want. They get the fame. They get recognition. They get the girl. But then reality hits hard. They are in a live or death situation now. They might be indestructible but not the people around them. They fail to save an innocent bystander. They get reckless and hurt someone. Or maybe they realize, OH CRAP THEIR ARE SUPER VILLAINS COMING AFTER ME!! And the movie is about them growing up and learning their responsibilities Oh wait, Shazam. The better Captain Marvel. Also doesn't Kamala have stretchy powers and she is a Inhuman?
@@austiny6019 Yea... she has 0 powers, it's from bracelets now... And also making shield things? force push... they could make a new character, but changing this much... it's too much...
Incidentally, Hawkeye was actually pretty decent. Its only real flaw is that it maybe gave too much screentime to not-Hawkeye, something people also complained about with Loki. They didn't undermine Hawkeye's character in it though, at least. It's pretty consistent with his personality as established in the previous couple of films.
hawkeye was the best amongst all the shows imo. Moon knight comes close second only because its very different to what the MCU really is but they spent too much time with character development that they forgot it was a superhero vigilante show. Hardly they actually show the moon knight in the series, but when they do its balls up crazy fun
This whole movement of "everyone gets a trophy" and not having to work to become a hero is to teach people that you are born in to a position and must accept it in order to thrive. It, like so much of our new speak, is about control from above.
maybe thats the moral lesson. 'dont feel guilty about that youre lucky enough to live in a western overly tolerant society. or that the systems of that will allow you to inherit great gifts, without any hard work, responsibility or consequences' if you want it enough you can have it. kind of reverse jimminy cricket. maybe it will get flipped that after becoming super-human, the nagging doubt is the real human part of her character.... or not.
@@adeniyiogunkeye9091 You should take a break yourself. X-Men movies, especially the old ones, spent an awful lot of time explaining the conflict between mutants and humans and how mutants had factions, some of which felt superior to regular humans. You're willfully ignoring that this isn't a new concept, you don't even have an argument. Iron Man was not born with a power, he worked really hard for his status as a superhero, even if his resources were plentiful. He's gone through hell and worked hard to get where he was at the end of Iron Man 1. I can't understand how you just equated Iron Man to X-Men to Ms. Marvel (as shown in this crappy trailer). You're out of your mind.
Control from above? Like a small elite circle of culture controllers sit in an office and send coded communications to culture creators to tell audiences that "everyone gets a trophy" and what, somehow this leads to profit and power for them? Do you think this is realistic and describes the actual world we live in? Even if there were such "controllers", wouldn't your message, that "you are born in to a position and must accept it" be a likelier one from people in power?
The sad thing about Ms. Marvel is that the OG Ms. Marvel - yes, Carol Danvers - was a genuinely interesting character. She was a recovered alcoholic and one of Tony Stark's closest friends. Tony was even her AA partner. She was public with her superhero identity, and was one of the first and most staunch supporters of the Superhero Registration Act (the comics version of Civil War). She stuck with Tony through thick and thin. She was also a respected Avenger and pretty damn powerful. And damn her costume was hot.
I agree . In my eyes she was the perfect captain marvel . Especially in ultimate alliance she was one of the best heroes to play . There was the weird story about her being pregnant with an alien and ..... lets just say this was a very akward arc and should be forgotten.
@@Snyperwolf91 Carol is a joke and my favorite arc is in House of M where she's told she's trash and unpopular before Wanda's false reality😂😂 She got cap shot, Mar-vel is best if not Spectrum who's way stronger than Carol's version😆 I agree that alien baby rape stuff was odd. *Rogue solos in battle & looks* Edit: Kamala's comics sell like crap & that shitty "Avengers game" made for her was atrocious🤷
I mean as a bit of a defense I will say, having a character who does become a hero solely for frame but then becomes a hero for noble reasons could work well. So I myself am going to wait and see, but my expectations are low not a knock on the series but I've been too disapointed by things in the past 2 years.
I suppose they could always take the booster gold approach, having the character start off with selfish and mundane motivations to want to have the title of 'superhero'. She could either be called out or have a spiralling series of events that get her to reflect on herself and truly become a hero through her selfless actions rather than just using her powers and title for self gain.
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Thanos punching Captain marvel is the Best scene in the MCU
Falling into getting a super power isn't necessarily bad, but it does need to be executed well.
Why not just do a video on Monomyth? aka the Heroes Journey from Joseph Campbell
Thats not really what her powers suppose to be, it's just suppose to be like mr fantastic, no stupid plank.
The worst part is her powers the bracelets are actually important it links to her grandparents who experienced the India Pakistan partition
"Her origin is one of envy, jealousy and self serving" That actually sounds like a good origin story, for a villain
Imo, It can even work for a hero... If the plot challenges them, calls them out on their bullshit and makes them grow as a person and into an actual hero.
@@thequietplayer6762 But then we remember that this is coming from Disney's Marvel and all hope goes out the window
@@thequietplayer6762 Yup. Han Solo was a great character because he started out as a complete jerk who was 'only in it for the money' and matured over time into a hero of The Rebellion.
The irony to that is that Tony Stark/ Iron Mans MCU origin story is about a self-serving ass that sold weapons to the highest bidder who suddenly gets a wake up call when said weapons are used on him. We can have a heroes origin story show them as terrible people, but the kicker is that they have to suffer and learn from it. and BOY does Iron Man suffer for that origin.
Basically Booster Gold:))))
I think a well-written hero needs to have some kind of struggle, where achieving a personal goal or obtaining some kind of power isn't easy and requires hard work and sacrifice.
You mean like Doctor Strange?
So...Spider-Man. Yeah that sounds about right
Obtaining the power without hard work or sacrifice is fine too, but then, it has to be about the struggle with the power or the consequences that come with using it. Otherwise, the Hero gaining anything would feel undeserved.
Daredevil
Stephen King once defined the difference between mediocre fantasy and great fantasy thus; in mediocre fantasy the hero always has power and always wields it, whereas in great fantasy the hero has no power and only achieves it through some great struggle.
The immediate comparison that leaps to mind is Ben 10 personally. Random child stumbles across seemingly alien artifact of power and he uses it more for fun than responsibility (though granted he was stuck in the middle of nowhere). A common lesson in Ben 10 however is that he is, in fact, a child, who often asks irresponsibly and still gets in over his head in situations of his own making, requiring his family to help him out and furthermore grounding the ego. But I don't think Khamala's going to be getting that treatment with either friends or family.
Finaly someone say that
At the end Ben understands that he can't always solve things by his own and you can clearly see that in Alien Force
And Ben actually gets a cool ability that isn't just 'Magic Gauntlet'
khamal won't need those bc this is PC and cancel culture, so her being an (arabic? i do not really know) and a female and gay is enough to solve everything xd fcking idiotic logic, we need a new cleansing
But we also see sometimes that child-like persona breaks.
Like when Grandpa Max was injured or when Gwen supposedly died.
Ben was ready to kill the shit out of everyone.
Shazam, a very recent movie has a self-serving hero at the start, but he changes as the story goes, he realizes he is a big asshole with superpowers when he almost kill a lot of people in a bus, and his friend throws that fact in his face. That was a great movie to me.
Billy was a kid who ran away from foster homes because he longed for the love of his real mother and had to face the fact that his mother abandoned him and accept the love that his new family had to offer not quite the same mate and in the beginning of the movie that is elaborated thoroughly
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That doesnt change the fact he was more focused on himself than on protecting the people with his powers in the beginning. I didnt say Shazam was like Miss Marvel in EVERY aspect, i said he was in THIS aspect.
@@saymyname2618 when you are all alone for years, you stop caring about other people
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The reason why he doesnt care doesnt matter at all when we compare them. If you are making a bad use of your powers, and causing suffering to others because you are an orphan with a tragic backstory or a teenage girl that wants fame it doesnt matter, they are both wrong.
@@saymyname2618 one of them is retarded tho
I feel you can have a self-serving hero. At least to start. THE Spider-Man began his career as a character of self-service before Ben told him his words of wisdom, and Booster Gold is a "hero" from the future who stole tech and went to the modern age to get famous. The thing writers must to with self-serving heroes is to make them confront this problem, not make it a quirky character trait
They may have supernatural powers but they are not heroes when they are self-serving. They don't become a hero until they become self-sacrificial. That's the archetype of the hero. If you look at The Boys, Homelander and his ilk do all of these amazing 'super hero' things but behind the scene it's all self-serving which removes the heroic aspect of it. Simply having the powers doesn't make one a hero, it's the heart that makes one a hero. That's what these super hero stories are getting at.
@Sunset's Channel even he's not that "selfish" to an extent
Let's roll it back a little. Peter Parker's self-service came in parlaying abilities he already had to try and get himself and his aged guardians out of 1960's Queens. His one BIG MOMENT of selfishness was refusing to stop a guy who robbed the shady promoter *who had just screwed him over on prize money*, and he paid for it with his uncle's life. That's a shade different from "I want to be powerful so everyone will love me and I can date Generic Handsome Teen Actor (who appears to be at least 25)."
He is a satire of all op guy...who is neither good or evil just bored everyday guy
Exactly, most self-serving superheroes (anti-heroes are another different category) can work perfectly fine as long as they learn what being a hero truly is (Shazam is another good example); the golden rules of becoming one (eventually) are:
1.- Tragedy. Whether it's a tragedy that happened to them, or that is happening in their world, the reality is that the existence of a hero is a tragedy in itself; the true tragedy is that a hero is needed in the first place. Self-serving superpowered beings might start the superhero job out of spite, pride, a whim, etc. But once the realization of how many lives depend on them hits them, that's when their true character is revealed, and they will choose to become true heroes.
2.- Self sacrifice. Think about it, you, as a superpowered being might save a person, a group, the world, the galaxy, the universe, etc. but if you didn't lose anything, be it your time, someone you love, your dream career, energy, money, your body, your life, your mental health, anything, then it doesn't feel earned, that's why we admire superheroes, but we *definetly* don't want to be in their shoes.
3.- Resilience. What distinguishes a superhero from a common person is that they learn to persevere a little longer. Mostly anyone else (including myself) in their shoes would give up and live a normal, or at least better life. We would use our powers in a self-serving way, or just give them up. Superheroes are willingly staying because they value the lives of strangers over their own. That is extremely unhealthy because they are basically destroying themselves, but they can't help it. We, as individuals, have the right to be selfish because taking care of one-self is the healthiest thing anyone can do. Superheroes choose not to.
4.- Humility. Superheroes *never* feel entitled to gratitude, recognition, credit, or anything of that nature. They *know* that the same people they save might never thank them or even appreciate what they do; they might even treat them like dirt, and sometimes superheroes internalize that feeling and try to give up. But that doesn't stop them for long; they still put others above them no matter what. Some of them *do* have a superificial, snobish and self centered personality that makes them whine, get anger attacks or feel sad about not being appreciated for what they do and their sacrifices, but they still choose to keep saving lives because it's the right thing to do. While a lot of them get appreciated enough, they never think they deserve because that's not why they are "Superheroing", instead, they tend to have guilt complex in their own unique ways.
5.- Fear and vulnerability. This one comes in all shapes and forms, and I would argue this one is for every character, but is especial for superheroes, because Superheroes are brave, they have courage, and you can't have any of those without fear. Being vulnerable allows them to be human and conect with the people they want to help. That's what usually keeps them going when everything seems lost.
This is also why new superheroes that try to be empowering usually don't work; being a superhero, as awesome as it looks, is probably the most miserable and thankless job you could ever have. This is why we love them; when the creators remove the thing that makes superheroes admirable, they completely fall apart.
Don't take me wrong, superheroes *can* be empowering, but that comes after they went through a whole painful journey to learn some humility. What we love about them, on top of the things I mentioned, is the fact that every single one of them has different character traits, moral codes, weaknesses, personality and character flaws, and when we see them dealing with those flaws and become heroes, THAT'S WHEN WE ARE ROOTING FOR THEM LIKE CRAZY.
Added some edits for things I left out the first time**
Love how they're still using the "geeks are unpopular and bullied all the time" idea, despite it not being accurate since the MCU has been around. When I was a kid in the 80s, geeks who liked scifi, books and comics WERE ridiculed and bullied. Now? Over 90% of the world is a self-proclaimed geek who is in to superheroes, scifi, comics etc. They're honestly trying to push the idea that a girl would be an outcast for being a fan of real world superheroes? Also, every scene in this trailer shows her with her crowd of friends. Again, back in the 80s I had ONE friend who was in to the same sort of geeky stuff as nerds like me were social outcasts. The mere fact that she is constantly surrounded by her mates shows how easy these poor little geeks have it these days.
man...i got so much shit for playing D&D at school. Now everyone and their grandma love D&D.
@@Fuzzycat16 I used to be a larper and got bullied relentlessly. But THEN... Lord of the Rings was released and I swear to god, in a week, it was suddenly cool.
And it never changed back again... not that think it should but yeah. Already then, the culture just shifted. Lord of the Rings was just instantly the cool thing and anything related to it super cool.
Yes this is correct. But consider this, maybe she is trying to join a new crowd rather than appreciate the friends she already has🤔. Just spitting here.
@@Fuzzycat16 Yep. I still remember getting called a "D&D fag" in middle school in the 80s.
Why are you pretending to know every single high school kids experience even though you admit you haven’t been in high school in decades?? I was in high school just a few years ago & we definitely had plenty of bullies lol
The Ms Marvel trailer felt more like an old 90's Nickelodeon show than a superhero show.
@The Cambot I don’t care for the live action Nickelodeon and Disney shows nowadays.
I see more of a CW quality show
@@samuelfrank4787 It's a bot.
Facts
Don't insult 90s Nickelodeon shows like that... I'd watch Drake and Josh before this shite any day.
A good idea to turn this into an interesting story would've been to show her as a self-serving person who wants to become a superhero for fame but then she realizes that it was too big of a responsibility and it was much more than just fame. Then she would have to deal with the consequences.
Thats a intriguing idea to put on show but writers in phase 4 are fucking woke garbages they don't do good shit
With great power comes great responsibility story arc? Worked for Spiderman
Maybe her recklessness severely impacts her family, where she loses her older brother (the one she views as the 'mummys boy' and had a grudge that he gets away with everything) and she has to step up and accept what she was doing before was wrong. Going through phases where she doubts herself, her intentions change from popularity to purpose, when there is an existential threat that she must learn to fight, like a geeky, brown Spiderman.
@@Southasianchameleon I love the brother angle as a comparison. What if she gets her powers, misuses then for superficial fame and never tests, understands or develops them. Then something happens where her brother is expected to defend the family in some way and gets badly hurt or killed. It really would be interesting flesh out the automatic responsibility and seeming disposability of boys/men in times of war/danger juxtaposed with ms marvel realizing that even with flashy powers she wasn’t the one internally compelled to put herself in harms way. That fear of injury and death is still there and she hasn’t been brought up to be a future protector for a family as her brother was. She then has to grow in multiple ways, she has to better understand the often unfair expectations placed on boys/men and grapple with whether she wants to do the work of developing her powers and sacrificing her peace and security to be a hero since she has the privilege of just not wearing the bracelet.
If Disney was smart, they would see a great opportunity to subvert expectations.
Let her discover these powers and use them to be popular. Her inexperience and lack of humility leads her to be destructive and more of a villain. Then she would learn the hard way about the true price of power and she would face off against other Marvel heroes who deem her as a threat.
But nope. That's just wishful thinking.
It sadly true i could see her at first being a good superhero but her mindset in things take a turn for the worst. An slowly does more harm then good, it will be like the one episode from the Original Power Puff Girls cartoon titled *"Hot Air Buffoon"* , the Mayor started at first doing good. But, went mad with his new found Power and essentialy see everything as a crime and vent out blind justice on innocent people.
If they show how Ms. marvel start of good but begin to take her Justice too blind extremes, for example some guy accidentally parked his car next to a fire hydrant and she comes in a smash up his car.
An she beat up someone else, cause they littered in the streets or stepped on a Don't step on the grass area, sending them too ICU. Essentially, disregarding the whole "With Great Power Comes Great responsibilities" and become a public nuisance to the point she's got the police, military, and a few Avengers going after her. An she slowly realizing she has become more of a villain then a hero.
we can not let a person of color women being bad now day, u bigot
Have her actually be a superhero that takes her religion fully to heart.
Starts killing people who won't convert to Islam, refuses to save anyone whose not a good practicing Muslim and thus not a person, have her start to confiscate drivers licenses from all the women in the city and force them to wear Hijabs or be stoned to death.
Grabs the gay kid from her class and flies him into the air to yeet him to his death.
You know, the shit that we *know* they do in Muslim countries.
Or have her travel to one of those countries and be confronted by the horrors of her own religion and rethink her entire morality.
That's something that I also whish would happen
@Frankie Warman- you can’t do that. Disney stores and bookstores selling that would be firebombed. You have to understand, they hold their religious opinions over everyone. This includes non-Muslims. There was a Sharia court in Texas who kidnapped a non-Muslim man who violated Islamic law. The kidnappers and the court members were arrested and convicted for false inprisonment. The courts made it clear that you cannot discipline people outside your religion. Making a story like that is blasphemy to them and they will hurt people.
I wish they kept her goofy stretching powers. It'd have much a more interesting movie where she's like 'Oh come on, why do I have the lame powers compared to Thor or Iron Man?'
Then over the course she becomes a hero and learns it's not the power, but how you use it.
That would be good. Even if her powers suck, they could have made it into a relatable and sympathetic trade.
Well she’s practically a whale in the show so the hands would look ridiculous on her. Being fat diverse muslim pakistani doesn’t make you a hero it makes you a liability to others. Imagine her chasing a villain lmao I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave her flight for that reason.
That would require good writing tho lol
@@jittie5430 How is she at all fat?
I think to some degree she still has stretching if my eyes are correct
It was so entertaining, watching Carol Danvers in End Game. One guy cheering for her saving Tony and Nebula at the beginning, people groaning as she took out Thanos's ship, and then the cheers as she got Donkey Kong punched out of the rest of the fight.
Ah the duality of people.
Most boring character in the mcu
@VOLD GAMER While I enjoyed it, those "best" moments, for me, are usually performed by Steve Rogers. Like when he stood up after even Thor stayed down and tightened the strap of his broken shield.
@VOLD GAMER Second best. Mjolnir flying into Steve's hand is still just so fucking cool. It was the 1 moment of Endgame at my theater that got a bigger pop than Thanos punching Carol out lmao
Feige no doubt shoehorned Danvers into the whole thing at the end of Infinity War, and I’m sure he and Disney really wanted her to ultimately defeat Thanos, thereby justifying her existence in the first place.
Thankfully the Infinity War/Endgame writers realized how much of a botch that would’ve been and opted to have Thanos knock her out of the frame with one punch.
Besides, Scarlet Witch would’ve squeezed the life out of Thanos if he didn’t have his ship fire at everybody in the ground.
Frankly, I think having a teen hero who starts in a world that's well-established to be filled with them and suddenly getting powers like whatshername is a great chance to explore what living in a world full of supers like. You could even have the internal conflict being centered on figuring out what to DO with the powers, even debate whether having powers automatically means you should be a hero in the first place. Just because you learn kung fu doesn't mean you should start beating up bad guys.
The “I feel sorry for myself because I’m not rich and famous” trend has taken over Hollywood. Classic morals are made fun of and considered out of touch.
I wish I could at least afford my own home with a car in the garage.
And people ask themselves why Hero Aca and Demon Slayer are outselling the entire american comic book industry.
Short answer: Because they depict REAL fucking heroes and REAL fucking villains.
The character Hellcat in Netflix's Jessica Jones series goes through a similar "I wanna be super because I want to be famous and glorified" persona. But because the story is mature-themed, that mentality is shown to lead to her killing people and expressing criminal ideation. Kamala would be more interesting if she had an arc where she exhibited egotistical or villain tendencies, but grew out of them to become actually heroic. But alas, Marvel was not interested in personality development, but in her meeting identity checkmarks.
It's so very sad. They truly think that Fame and Fortune will solve all their problems
This aged flawlessly
Honestly, a movie/show about a drunken Scottish guy in his late 30s with deep-seated regrets all of a sudden gaining superpowers is a great idea for a show that I would definitely watch.
He probably got his superpowers from a "magical" bottle of whisky ;-) Anyway, having "deep-seated regrets" in his 30's sounds a bit too premature. Just wait till he hits 60. That's when the going really gets rough...
@@psychonaut5921 That's when the liver definitely shuts down! 😉
@@psychonaut5921 He should be ashamed...a Scot getting drunk on American bourbon...the shame...not even good bourbon
And he has a "girlfriend" named Tatiana
@@psychonaut5921 get to be 60 whith all that booze, its gonna be "iron liver". Damn, this thing writes itself.
It must be somewhat disheartening for Marvel Studios, as it stands, the most acclaimed Marvel series is Daredevil, which was a Netflix original.
When your best series is a Netflix original you know you're doing something wrong.
Low blow...... ouch......
I know, and it's front-runner was a white man and its main villain a white man.
No matter how much money they throw at these other projects and idealistic directors and writers they never come out as good as Daredevil.
Whose only objective was delivering a good Daredevil show and not preaching.
Punisher season 1 man!
And their worst series is Iron Fist. Netflix really hit both extremes
The moment when Thanos punched Plank with the power stone was probably the first time she experienced any form of physical pain ever since she unlocked her full power, and it only took the physical embodiment of all power in the universe to make that happen. And it didn't even truly injure her, it just knocked her out of the movie for a minute so the plot could happen.
You know one of the best Superman stories I ever read was Peace on Earth. In it the Man of Steel tries to personally tackle the problem of world hunger, but runs into a whole host of issues he never realized he would have to deal with. Ruthless warlords taking the food and harming the locals, some nations getting immediately hostile assuming ulterior motives, some people just acting like animals and selfishly tearing at the food delivered individually.
At the end of it, Superman realizes that not only can he not solve this kind of problem personally, but that it's not one that a super man really CAN solve. It's a real eye-opening moment for a man whose routinely called too powerful, that there are problems not even he can solve.
In the end, he surmises that the best he can do is try to teach people to be better and kinder to each other, and hope that the message reaches as many people as possible. We need more of those kinds of stories.
Dam man thats a really deep and interesting story, never heard of that superman story before. But i wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that kind of story because it doesn't push the right kind of "MESSAGE" even tho its DC, they are slowly falling into the same pit unfortunately.
DC has better storylines compared to marvel imo but it sucks that the idiots at wb only want Batman and Joker to be their main priority
@R. P. No, of course they will show a problem Superman cant solve, only after Supergirl flies in and solves it for him XD
I have a very filled out collection of DC Silver age. Thousands. They are currently stashed away in my Daughters large Cold Room. It occurred to me that if my (3) Grandkids find them .. Oh oh.. So much for value. I better warn Barb.
Also: My Brother had all the early Marvels but sold them all at once for "Diddly Squat" decades ago. How much? Don't ask.
A good internal conflict for her to deal with would be realizing that being a superhero isn't just a pedestal to improve your position in the high school hierarchy and that it's a responsibility that comes with danger and requires sacrifice. She then has to figure out if the fame is worth giving up her life
Which Peter Parker seems to have realized very early in his arc...
Also that being a superhero is being a leader in your community, which you can't do if you have self-serving goals. Simply donning the suit isn't enough: it's about how that responsibility shapes and changes you to be a better person through the challenges you encounter along the way.
Lousy writing because they diversity hired untalanted activists as writers.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu the speed at which someone grows is not relevant. People get to different bench marks at different time.
@@jonathanbaker4361 But we do in fact need to see that growth.
The message of "letting go of your insecurities and accepting themselves for who they are" has been done correctly; it's Kung Fu Panda. The message their works because 1. Po has a clear origin story 2. Po has defined powers and abilities 3. Po has an internal struggle and 4. Po has an external struggle. Po has to go through humiliation, rejection and pain to become the legendary dragon warrior. Characters like Captain Marvel does not go through that kind of struggle.
Kung Fu Panda is one of the best animated movies ever imo
@R. P. It is insulting to not treat women with more respect in writing. Nearly every woman I know is extremely hard-working and puts their all into what they do; so to see them lazily put in movies like this and turned into a Mary Sue is disappointing. We need more Ripleys and Sarah Conners. Hell even some of the old animated super hero shows (DCTAS) did a better job with characters like Batgirl, Wonder Woman and Supergirl.
@@bighillraft that's not an opinion bruh. That's a solid fact
Ms. Marvel(danvers) has had problems since her comics origin. She was created solely for copyright purposes. Like spider-woman and she-hulk. And Marvel Entertainment Inc has been at a loss as to what to do with the character. 😕
@@SynthwavelLover You must not know many women. Half the men AND women I know are coasting through life lazily.
When I was in high school, many years ago, I was a nerdy introvert. I only had 3 friends, and was bullied a bit in school. I was never invited to parties, never part of the "cool kids" groups. I was not an outcast, exactly, just kind of a social nobody. Watching this trailer, where a plain looking, pudgy girl somehow had friends and was invited to parties and still part of the social group really felt unrealistic to me. I wasn't pudgy, but I had a bad haircut and uncool clothes and glasses. I was not "conventionally attractive", which coupled with my introvert tendencies made me the social outsider that I was. It didn't make me depressed, it just made me feel like an outsider.
Watching this girl, I would have expected her to follow the same kind of path. They focused on her drawings, and her elaborately decorated room, and her religion. She's plain looking and overweight, and looks somewhat introverted, so I would expect her to be an outsider like I was. Kids in high school can be very cruel, and it just doesn't feel relatable that she has such a comfortable existence even before she gets the magical powers. I think it would have been a much more interesting story if she DID start as the outsider, maybe with some conflict of her religion getting in the way of blending in. SOME kind of actual challenge, other than just wanting to date WAY above your league.
Was this show WRITTEN by 12 year old girls?
I never get tired of Thanos punting Carol across the field with that haymaker. Even in the Theatre my Mom cheered when it happened as well as half the audience.
i never read the carol reboot comic.. so i went into the theater expecting 1990s ms.marvel carol with xmen rogues powers. i have no idea who this brown girl or who captain marvel is... i want my damn ms.marvel 80s-90s canon
@@drakomus7409 then you have saved your sanity.
You definitely made this story up lol. Do you not realize you’re getting sucked down the reactionary rabbit hole?
@@drakomus7409 I will always love Rogue for that
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Awesome video as always! I am afraid the trend that Marvel is setting (mixing fiction with real life agendas), in today's day and age, we will never be able to see another Iron Man 1 like movie from Marvel. Tony was narcissistic and a sexist character, that's just who he used to be. Making him turn around his life in 10 real life years is what gave him a great character arc. I'm afraid if Marvel keeps satisfying only one group of people without being true to the source material, we will never see such character arcs on screen in the MCU.
Oh shit! Wassup, lad!?
Based opinion
Tony wasn't misogynistic
I didn’t think I’d see you here, Lad. But I agree with you completely. If Marvel keeps trying to spread “The Message”, they’re gonna run themselves into the ground and they won’t recover from it.
@@alantinoalantonio I get that but you know what I mean... I don't know those fancy terms exactly but you get my point. The point is, Tony wasn't a politically correct character and that's what made him great at the end when he turned himself around. If you don't let a character be bad in the first place, how do you turn him around at the end? You can't just start being "perfect". Then what gets left for the end is "accept who you are".
Had Tony accepted who he is, he would have never stopped selling weapons to criminals. The journey of self-criticism is much more realistic and enjoyable rather than some "accept who you are" shit.
One frustrating thing about the character of Kamala Kahn is that "Wants to be a super hero so she can be popular" could be a great start for a teenage hero. It is a motivation that many of us felt at a younger age, but it only works as the flaw that a hero will eventually overcome. Imagine if the story played on her selfish desire and in her attempts to do great things in a flashy "Superhero" way she only makes things worse, and eventually falls into despair realizing that her goals can't be achieved as quickly or as easily as she wants. Then after soul searching and training herself to improve her powers, she finds that she enjoys being a hero even if it doesn't bring her adulation. Instead, she finds joy in making the world a better place and serving as an example to others; as Captain Marvel was (assumedly) an example to her.
The problem is that I don't think Disney would write that story. It would portray Kamala as petty and flawed at the start of her story, someone who needs to improve herself to become the hero she wants to be. All Disney can seem to write about now is characters who are very powerful and their journey is simply to prove that power to the world at large. Which is sad because a story about a character learning to understanding their own personality and improve its flaws would actually be a unique story that might resonate with the struggles of the youth market that Disney want to speak to with this show.
Basically Spider-Man. Which I hate anyone would to be a superhero just to be famous and popular. Just like Spider-boy.
Yes. This is the biggest problem I've had with the way a lot of the female superheroes are written. They're already powerful and perfect. They never have to learn, train, or do any hard work to get from decent to good to better. Are these the models that parents want for their daughters? "You're a girl, so you're already perfect and the absolute bestest evar. On your first try you should be able to do ANYTHING better than people who have built careers doing the same thing. Fly the Millenium Falcon better than Han and stuff like that. And if you can't, it's just because you're holding yourself back." And maybe this is why we have so many young women dealing with anxiety and depression: it's an unnatural and unreasonable standard to put on them. "If you can't do everything better than experts it's because you're letting yourself down." No, that's completely fair. 😐
Spot on!
I feel, in a way, Thats basically Mysterio in Far from home. Part of his motivation was to rub it on Tony's grave, but the other was doing the "superhero for fame" thing. To the point where he is willing to sacrifice people for "making a better spectacle".
There are already movies with this exact plot and they suck ass.
It would actually be cool to see a superhero who just wants to be a superhero because "it's cool". Hell, it's really relatable. I'm pretty sure we've all, especially when we were younger, wanted to have super powers and fight villains and be loved... I mean yeah... it's cool. But maybe she then gets into an actual fight and gets hurt and finds out it's hard and dangerous. And she wants to quit. But for some reason or another she decides to get back into it. It would actually be very cool to see a character who isn't an inherently good person who feels that she just "has to do the right thing", nor does she actually NEED to be a hero. There's no outside factor making her do so... she has to somehow motivate herself to do the right thing, even when she has more to lose than gain. How does one do that? I think it would be neat to see
Reminds me of Saitama from One Punch Man
Reminds me of Saitama from One Punch Man
Yep. One Punch Man, as mentioned. 👊😄
Please find other words besides cool and neat. By themselves, they mean absolutely nothing.
Kick-ass
She's a prime example of today "I want there fore I deserve, and I get because I want...." Vain, narcistic , self entitled Tik Tok'ers, Instagramers', and Twitter users would LOVE her.
You forgot to add TH-camrs. And I love how Drinker made fun of himself about it.
Spot on
Copy and paste your comment every where please
"I don't want so no one else deserves" is the way I see all of you. The target audience for this show is very clearly not you
@@SpaghettiBrainX yeah it's clearly for teen girls or people who actually read the comics
"They will never understand" line from wandavision I think is the most offensive and disturbing ever written. It encapsulates modern day woke idealogies that every time I hear it I get pissed.
Hilariously, Thanos had the same motives when he decided to kill everyone and rebuild the universe in his image.
@@dannypalin9583 Thanos wasn't a hero he was a tyrant and cruel even though the snap seemed not to be agonizing for people and somewhat merciful. What's Wanda's excuse?
That's by design. Destroy and demoralize so they can control the narrative. The good news is that people are rejecting the programming.
wanda: loses vision by thanos killing him.
wanda: makes a fake town and enslaves countless people to forcibly partake in her sick roleplay.
meanwhile the millions of parents of cancer patients:
@@frankbelmont1565
In fairness, I feel like Wandavision was a low effort disney-fied pastiche of the House Of M storyline from the comics.
In other words, yeah, Wanda is a b*tch. She always was. Trouble is, the MCU can't point to her father for why she turned out that way.
A character who’s notably religious and happens to be a marvel property is Kurt Wagner, AKA night crawler, and while he’s notably Catholic and makes it known every now and then, it’s not his entire schtick, he’s a character besides being just “the Christian one”, his identity as a Christian doesn’t define him but it does play a role in his life. He’s a pacifist who believes there can be good in anyone and has relied on his faith to help him through tough times and understand the world around him. His religion doesn’t define him, but it’s an aspect of him. Ms Marvel? She’s a Muslim character, but she’s really just that, a Muslim character. There’s nothing about her background that really plays a part into who she is other than I guess receiving judgement from others for being Muslim and Pakistani? They could’ve done interesting things with it and used her background as a new perspective, but it’s not really utilized at all.
Dang couldn’t have said it better myself.
I think the motivation behind the creation of these characters has a lot to do with it too. In the movies Night crawler wasn’t put in to appeal to a catholic demographic, but it’s blatantly obvious that this is exactly why this new character was made.
They also occasionally put him at ODDS with his religion in that Kurt looks like your traditional demon and even leaves behind a scent of sulfur when he teleports.
They won't even address that her religion is sexist as fuck and would likely denigrate her for being a female superhero and a muslim and especially for showing her face while she does it.
She's literally an example of everything a Muslim woman is taught not to be in any countries actually controlled by an Islamic Caliphate.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal that's the first time I've seen sexist used right on the internet
@@sword_racer185 Thanks!
And her muslim part is also a misrepresentation, most of actual practicing muslims disagree with this representation and think that it's a mockery of religion. I agree with Kurt wagnar and I liked how they portrayed him as a practicing Christian. It's not about you showing mosque or church it's about how u carry yourself and your display of values and morals
Watched the first three episodes. I felt like I was watching "That's So Raven" or "Lizzy McGuire" or any other Disney TV show centered on characters in High School. Ms. Marvel is just "That's So Raven" if Raven found a magic bracelet that gave her super powers. I liked WandaVision. It's homage to the sitcoms of the 50s, 60s, & 70s were well done and the twist of realizing you were actually witnessing Wanda's descent into madness was excellent. I liked Loki too. I have enjoyed the character arcs of Thor and Loki in the MCU. Loki letting himself become softer, develop a friendship with Mobius and fall in love with a female version of himself was good in my opinion. I even liked Hawkeye. But these last 2 entries have just plain stunk. John Lasseter demonstrated at Pixar that you need to have good, relatable characters, good scripts, and good casting to make great movies. Unfortunately, Disney/Marvel seem to have forgotten that with these two latest offerings. Too bad. Drinker is right, there's a lot of material here to work with that could have made a really good series.
Liar, you didn't watch 1 second of the show.
You know there are many more people working at pixar that you can quote rather than the disgusting John Lassiter right?? Pete Docter for example??
A fellow Hawkeye enjoyer! Hawkeye felt like it recaptured that street-level crisis that most of the MCU has abandoned in return for 'world/universe/multiverse' ending threats.
Watching Ms.Marvel, though, was like watching a train wreck. I thought the first episode had some charm, the animations showing her perspective were quirky but at least something different, but as the show progressed it just dissolved. They stopped doing the animation gimmick right after the pilot which was just jarring, the characters became boring, and the plot itself just collapsed. Yet I watched with horrified fascination to see just how it ended.
A shame that this was the series that introduced mutants too.
@@lumpyspacepeebs2184 What did John Lasseter do?
They’re making characters who are no longer who we need to look up to and admire. They’re people who we look down upon because they aren’t willing to take matters into their own hands to correct the problems in the world and instead complain, moan and otherwise ask others to fix their problems. They aren’t there to entertain. They’re there to preach to the audience about how terrible they are.
Yep and others say their supposed to be "flawed". Sorry but characters being so rude and unbearable isn't a flaw, it just means you made a bad character we shouldn't care about
@@daniboy4153 💯💯💯💯💯. Characters should be likable, charming and flawed.
It's like the reverse of what Syndrom said. "When everyone is super, no one will be."
If the left make all of the "hero's" into representation of today's woke crowd, then we wont have heros to admire any more. Some may even question why heros were liked to begin with.
And maybe that's the goal.
I think it's a bit simpler than that.
They're making characters to represent different types of minorities in society. The story doesn't matter, only checking the boxes of representation. Being seen is far more important than being liked or admired.
@@kingxerocole4616 exactly, ya wanna do a character like this right? Spider-verse mile morales. Simply give them depth and a struggle.
Whenever someone writes a character as 'Muslim', or indeed any religion, I always ask how much does her faith apply to her? Because you can definitely make a really cool religious superhero, the issue is applying their faith in a way that makes sense and requires a deep understanding of the faith in question, which most people just don't bother to do. And from what I've seen good religious characters are in short supply, the last really badass one was Joshua Graham from New Vegas
Yo fucking shout out Joshua Graham you just made my day dropping that reference.
Agreed. Will she have any struggles dealing with the radicals of her faith? Demands to behave like a good Muslim girl and walk behind her man, wear a Burka, and deal with sexual harassment, knowing her word is less than a man in a court of Islamic law?
I've played New Vegas but never got round to leaving Goodsprings (I was procrastinating an essay and decided playing NV was a better use of my time), so what's Joshua Graham like?
Well as a Muslim, she isn’t really religious at all. Because of the fact that Muslim attire is apart of the faith and well she doesn’t follow that code. This character is just a way to “diversify” the marvel universe and i doubt Islam will play a major part to her character unlike daredevil who is catholic and that’s actually apart of character
Night Crawler was an often-well-done example of a religious super hero.
A possibly good story arc would be she only thinks of super heroes in a romanticized view such as for fame and glory, but after gaining powers she realizes that life won't be perfect even if you have everything you could want. And it would be interesting to see her grow as a character and shift mindsets from fame to true heroism and become a more humble person in the process
Unfortunately I doubt we will see this in the show and get something far more disappointing
@Erik Kemeey Why? Becouse all things considered if you look at it from another angle its clear that what they meant was that if you catch onto the real meaning then it becomes obvious that despite having to do all of it at once in the end it still wont be clear. I guess thats why
That kind of sounds like iron man though, he went from a bad person to becoming a good person
@@andrewww13 similar but different. Tony gets to see have much damage he has done in person while Ms Marvel gets a wake up call to how much being a superhero sucks. Look at what JUST happened to Spidey
@@uc4490 Kind of funny that Spidey fought in favor of the Sokovia accords, to then attempt to rewrite reality when the fact that his identity was known became a problem.
@@bulleyes9059 i think he fought for iron man more than for the accords
As someone who has seen the entire show another big problem is that the first couple episodes are the embodiment of "How you foing my fellow kids?"
“Bright disposable colorful fluff” is what the writers at Disney + just do sadly
Can’t be Dark anymore, apparently.
They don't even do fluff well.
It's Disney, what do you expect? There's a reason people prefer Deadpool, Venom and Spider-Man than the things Disney does. Be thankful Disney can't buy DC comics and have a monopoly.
Hope Moon Knight breaks that streak
@@WizardAmbrose Disney now own all of them bar Spidey.
Dude, I got the fix right here. Check this out: Kamala's fights against villains cause property damage and lightly injure some civilians. The MCU's J. Jonah Jameson reports on these incidents and makes Kamala look like a dangerous kid with weapons she doesn't know how to control, which is very true, and seeing this discourages her greatly. This bad press also plays into stereotypes about Muslims being dangerous or being terrorists, so her family also wants her to stop using her powers because the Muslims in her area start seeing prejudice against them. Kamala has to decide between laying low and staying out of the public eye, or using the power she was blessed with to help people, even if they disrespect her on a deep, hateful level.
There, I gave her conflict to overcome. It's appropriate and timely without being preachy, because everybody can relate to it on some level.
As soon as you said "J. Jonah Jameson", I thought this was gonna lead to something like "Oops, I just described Spider-Man. Silly me. Go read that instead." But, no, you got constructive and real. This is a fascinating idea. And I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with Spider-Man showing up in one of the episodes, either!
Would love to see that, yea
Or go off the comics with The champions , that would be cool to see
Presupposing the Muslims in her community would want a teenaged girl who doesn't respect most of their customs or religions outside of the place of worship actually representing them.
Or that the Caliphate would accept that a female was given superpowers before any of the good Muslim men (being y'know an incredibly sexist religion that sees women as inferior).
@@TheLikenessOfNormal Incorrect. I knew somebody would come in here and try to start an argument. Just ignore them, everybody.
I read this character's comic. She was kind of a shapeshifter and also used her creativity. She tested her powers to see what she can and can't do in order to check her time limits, changing limits etc.
Also she had small enemies if I remember correctly. Small street gangs or something.
But, as usual, MCU writers didn't even bother reading beyond first 2-3 pages of her comic and came up... sorry, slapped the premade story package to their script, tweaked a few things for *the message* and adding random stuff screen writers want to put there for no reason, aaaand we got a new show. "Quick! Pour all the money to CGI budget so audiance will be distracted and they won't question our pathetic excuse of a story. We just need to sell it. If they figure it out later, who cares."
There are entire scenes taken almost word for word from the comics.
@@Carabas72 i agree, they've used the comics well, I have to say this has been one of the best made MCU shows/films, you can really tell the writers care about the story they're telling, this is also the most fleshed out side characters have been in any MCU show/film to date,
I was wary when I heard about this show but having seen up to the fourth episode, I really like it x
@@DerrisDerrison dude unless you're in your early teens then you've got some bad taste respectfully
@@blyndfold4336 they fucked the story in the second half
I remember watching a spiderman cartoon show that used to came on disney XD, it was a while back and in it ms marvel belongs to a species called the inhumans or something I dont exactly remember, but the plot is that these inhumans dont really fit in well with normal humans, although they originate from the earth itself, so they make an island to live peacefully without interfering with the normal humans. most inhumans have pretty destructive abilities like hurling giant magma balls or freeze anything to death instantly or the worst, (who also is the leader of the inhumans) possesses a really destructive voice, and can destroy entire islands with a mere whisper , which is why they are deemed too dangerous to live in normal human society but ms marvels abilities are that she has a very elastic body and can change its shape and size however she wants, a sort of mix between ant man and elastigirl so she can kinda just blend in normal humans if she doesnt go around flexing her powers, which ofc she doesnt because she's naive and does face consequences because of that before finally being accepted as a good inhuman and she serves earth thereafter as well as serving a connecting link between the humans and the inhumans, often clearing a lot of misunderstandings between the avengers and the inhumans who almost went to war with each other
in this new show tho all I see is her job is to represent a minority or something idk
well at the end of the series Kamala does become selfless and even though her parents tried to stop her she said that she can't just sit around knowing she can help people
"Expect disappointment and you won't be disappointed" - MJ
For this film to turn around to a good story, they'd have to pull a Thor and make her deserving the powers she gets.
Based on some of the dialogue in the trailer, it seems like they might try to go that route of making her realize the responsibility of her powers, but considering all prior D+ TV shows it'll probably be a total botch job compared to Thor
If you want a depiction of an interesting female superhero from Marvel then for me it has to be Jessica Jones. I also loved Hayley Atwell as Agent Carter. It can be done and done well.
Haley Atwell deserved more seasons of Agent Carter. My wife and I loved that show and she hates superhero stuff. Well, most of it anyway. She has watched Captain America with me several times but I suspect she likes to see Chris Evans without a shirt.
@@kevinintheusa8984 everyone likes to see Chris Evans shirtless
@@darthsidious2952 Gonna cry?
@@Pointman11111 i missed the part where that's my problem
@@darthsidious2952 thats Outrageous
I remember picking up some early issues of Ms. Marvel, curious about the challenge the writing staff had laid out for themselves.
How was a young Muslim girl going to juggle her superhero activities while her family wanted her to have a male family member escorting her while out of the house?
No, not an issue, she's off alone at all times, joining various superhero chapters and marching in pride parades.
The Muslim identity was an aesthetic wrapped around the same American teenage superhero they were doing anyway.
It could have been an interesting concept in the hands of skilled writers who weren't just pandering with surface level diversity.
tHe mESsAgE
It isn’t a real story. It’s a virtue signal.
Did it just all go down the toilet? I didn't keep up but the first dozen or so chapters did have a bunch of friction with her heritage. Loki showed up at one point but mostly it was just her fighting local mutants in Jersey City.
😑 It’s possible to be a practicing Muslim without being fundamentalist.
Kamala’s family are clearly like most Muslims around the world, in that they’re religious without being extremist.
I only read very little of Ms. Marvel myself, but I know the first page opens with Kamala smelling bacon and lamenting that she can’t eat any due to Islamic dietary laws.
Just because Kamala’s brand of Islam isn’t the repressive version practiced in certain parts of the world doesn’t mean it’s empty branding.
Simple my friend, she is not a muslim. But it is just there to make people hate Islam, because muslims don't want to be gay.
Not watched the show, but I think it's good to have actors and actresses that no one has heard of. It gets boring seeing the same names on every projects and it always for new and fresh talent to step forward
The most depressing thing is reading the comments section for the trailer and people falling over themselves with praise even
though they completely
changed her powers and has the origins of a villain, wanting attention and power simply for the sake
of having power for what looked like a bad CW show is absolute madness! Also its fine for teenage girl to ogle a half naked boy
but no superhero female can even have an ounce of skin showing or a skimpy suit because that's 'toxic!'
Bruh, Wanda Maximoff spent four years wearing clothes that reveal a large part of her "assets". Natasha wore skintight suits for the majority of her superhero career. And are we forgetting the sleeveless top Gamora wore in Guardians of the Galaxy? Stop the cap.
Why everyone hero, every single one, needs to be a suicidal zealot? Seriou, why? Move a single hero can be there for fun and fame, not even a single one? Only slave soldiers of humanity are allowed in "heroes" three house.
bro Kamala is like 15 and muslim or smn why do you care about showing skin
Feel ya mate. Modern society dissapoints me more and more everyday
I have expressed numerous times how I would have preferred her comic book powers.
The best part Captain Marvel's appearance in Avengers: Endgame when I saw it in the theater was when she was punched out of the movie by Thanos. I was delighted when a cheer spontaneously rose out of the audience. Pretty much exactly like what you show in this video.
I have to ask, what does that say about a "Hero" when everyone is happy when she is destroyed?
Exactly.
I saw a Shang Chi poster that read in action text “Your new favorite SuperHero!” Forcefully.
Juuuust shove it down a little further, please.
… well Shang Chi WAS less obnoxious than Captain Marvel, anyway.
I have a better one. In NYC ppl cheered. That shocked me. Oh, i also cheered and want an artist to draw that part on a comics cover
"We gotta keep digging!!! Soon they'll like the character!!!"
cos Thanos was a better hero than her
honestly it would be great to see her start out as a self-serving, envious, jealous girl who first uses her powers for her own selfish benefits but over the course of the show slowly develops into a mature human being as she realizes the responsibility behind her being a superhero. but guess we’ll just have to see.
Don't we have enough of that shit already?
Spiderman was pretty much a self-serving, short-sighted piece of shit for 3 movies already.
Then there is Tony Stark in all his movies, a nominal hero.
Loki who was shoe-horned in-to villainy then in-to kind of a hero, somehow, and that's after casually murdering people left and right.
Gamora, Ant-man, Nebula, Doctor Strange, Thor and some others.
It was done too many fucking times already. Thank you, no.
@@t.va.6611 with the exception of spider-man and iron-man everyone else you listed were villains with clearly evil goals. this girl just comes off as selfish and snobby, which spider-man isn’t either, and iron-man was already a billionaire who literally created his own superhero persona so no, we haven’t seen “annoying shallow teen girl develops into mature hero” from Marvel
@@t.va.6611 All of those characters kind of stopped developing at a certain point though, they never really had a mature character nor any of the characters reached a point of clarity. The peter parker in the spider man ps4 game is a really good example of what the MCU peter parker should be like at this point in his story. Still the awkward Peter parker, but one that knows fully the responsability of a hero (no pun intended)
It would be cool. But i think we all know that ain't happening
@@t.va.6611 marvel hater!?!?😱
You know that Tony stark origin story was so good that I wanted to go watch the whole movie again while you described it.
Imagine if Tony Stark was characterized by him being a devout christian who really loves binging Friends even though he's already seen the entire series 20 times before and throws several barbecues every week because he ''only drinks when there's a barbecue'' and totally isn't an alcoholic.
If you don't see my point yet,imagine if Rhodey was characterized by his love of Rap music,basketball and fried chicken. That's how stereotypical Ms Marvel seems to be.
Expect that not her only characteristic like at all.
No similar analysis for Moon Knight's trailer by the drinker, i.e he compares hero arcs established by 2 hour movies to a 3 min Ms Marvel trailer.
Kudos to the drinker.
And also the fact that he doesn't compare the trailer of those very MCU characters to the ms Marvel trailer but instead compares the whole movie arc is really really dumb.
@@epicmusic9029 that not what the comment is talking about
I haven't been wowed by a show since breaking bad ended. Movies now are just elevated crap at best.
There’s no deeper and more inspiring origin story than Steve Rogers.. small, affected by asma and rejected 17 times by the US Army.. still keeps on trying and doing everything he can to fight for what he believes in..
And that is why cap is legendary.
and then we have Captain Falcon with - YOU hAVe To Do BeTtEr SeNaToR.
A very similar reason why Daredevil has been my favorite superhero for around 20 years! His past is basically filled with trauma and tragedy. His PRESENT is also.....filled with trauma and tragedies! It's like he has almost literally over a dozen completely understandable reasons.... to be a VILLAIN. But he still chooses to be a hero instead. Even though life never seems to reward him in kind! It just always instill in my very moral compass to do the right thing.....ESPECIALLY when I won't receive any benefit/reward for doing so! But now we are reduced to chara ters whose motivation is 'Be a superhero....so you can be popular and have everything you want!" 😒
Nah, Marvel has made it pretty clear that he was irresponsible to give the shield to a black man because............? I dunno Falcon and Winter Soldier sucked.
Equally good is that of Tony.
@@hksalsatom It's part of the reason why I REALLY loved the way the MCU portrayed Tony Stark. It's like as much as I already knew his origin very well from the comics, the MCU absolutely did it justice in the way they presented it! As in Tony's journey was really, in its purest form, a story.....of atonement!
5 minutes in and I have multiple comments but im only gonna say one:
It may be true that steve wanted to be captain america for a good cause but he experiences no character growth, no change, no character arcs that make him a different person. He stays the same in every movie. Kamala is the complete opposite changing and growing a lot while also figuring out who she is in the show.
Lol Cap goes on to be sacrifice he's whole life for his nation and the world. And at last he finally gets to spend the time with his love Peggy Carter.
He's arc was totally opposite to Tony Stark who started out selfish and laid down his life for the whole world.
Saying he had no character growth from The Avengers to Avengers Endgame is so wrong.
@@prathamsethi9470 he didn’t lol he risked his life in every other movie he was in just because he didn’t die doesn’t mean he didn’t risk it
What the fuck are you smoking?
His whole identity is based on protecting his country and that he believes in the system 100 %. His whole first movie literally shows him evolving into a person that no longer naively put their trust in authority.
You clearly only wrote this because you couldn't think of anyone as bad as Ms. Marvels character arc lol
Iron Man(2008) feels like a long time ago. Back when things were interesting and better.
Back when Marvel Movies were creative and didn’t cover every single thing in CGI
@@Terminal_Apotos 💯💯💯💯✅✅
Cocaine sniffing actors unite 🤤✊
@@Feck-de-stans 😂
I will never forget how I saw Iron Man in my dark room alone back then
“According to Amanat, an executive at Marvel approached her for the job because she was different from their average employee. She said that the executive told her she had 'something different to offer than the regular fanboy who has read comics since he was a kid. [She has] a different voice, and [they] need [her] voice in order to change Marvel.' Currently, she is the Director of Content and Character Development at Marvel Entertainment.”
The disdain _Marvel_ has for their fanbase is so obvious, when they actively seek out _something different to offer than the regular fanboy who has read comics since he was a kid,_ not to fill a void in what's missing, which is admirable, but to fill a quota, which is the height of corporate cynicism.
Marvel is just diving deeper down the rabbithole of shitty woke bs that will only slowly poison their fanbase against them, and honestly at this point, I’d pay to watch THAT instead of any of their shitty Disney plus schlock.
To be fair bringing in different view points for new characters isn’t a bad idea. The problem with hiring fans of characters is that they may not come up with ideas to actually challenge those characters. It doesn’t always work. Gareth Ennis has written some incredible Punisher comics, but his hatred for superhero’s has made him write some of them as out-of-character idiots.
This is 21st century consumerism. The foundations have already been laid. Things will sell to their primary demographic without any effort, so now they put all their effort and attention into expanding their reach to people who previously never gave a shit.
Movies, tv, games, toys, seemingly everything nowadays. Who they market to now is not who actually used to like the stuff.
They seem to forget who the MAIN AUDIENCE IS, THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT YOUR FRNCHISE AND CONTINUE TO PAY YOUR SALARIES. PISS THEM OFF AND WATCH YOUR PRFIT MARGIN DISSAPEAR. KARMAS A BITCH AINT IT?
@@henrydikes6704 what is "woke" about ms marvel
The problem is that having someone become a hero for petty reasons can make for a great story. Hero starts off as a selfish asshole, but gradually changes when he sees how grateful the people he's saving are. He begins to understand that doing good feels good. It could work. But I doubt they'll take it in a decent direction.
So Han Solo in a way
Tobey Maguire Spider Man basically
@@connorcornwall1404 you're both wrong.
2022 Disney is too woke and retarded to make a movie like Hancock.
Which is exactly what you're describing as a superhero movie.
@@monarchco and you said nothing about how we both wrong
0:39 and the surprising part about that is that the only show you didn’t bother to watch was the one that didn’t have all that or if it did it wasn’t to an annoying extent
This show only needs a few things to be successful:
- Consequences (no "get out of jail free cards)
- Accountability (If mistakes are made, they shouldn't just be instantly forgiven)
- Flaws (and I mean ACTUAL flaws, not artificial flaws that appear and disappear when the plot demands it)
Well.. you might be a little disappointed with the direction they went with.. maybe! maybe not.. i dont know.. i personally didnt like the 'Oh I like it, I should get it because I want it' vibe of kamala. Its more like that rich brat squirrel girl from willy wonka.. 'Daddy! I want Captain Marvel powers!'
You are lucky. Kamala gets consequences already in the second episode. I will not spoil anything but I do no envy her the kind of scrutiny she gets after showing her powers in public. Also she has flaws: the first two times she uses her powers are rather a mix bag of success.
@@arctic_haze I mean, not really. sure, she has the feds after her, and she has been yelled (?) at, but she doesn't really face any sort of immediate punishment for her actions (so far). If you want an example I'd be happy to give one, but I will omit it for now in order to avoid spoilers.
@@commander8625 What actually she needs to face consequences for? For saving a selfie boy or saving a whole wedding from murderous jinns?
@@arctic_haze How's about sneaking out, or almost accidentally killing people with her powers (by accident)?
Here's the thing, Danvers was an awesome character once.
She was flawed, had set-backs and worked well with the rest of the team.
She also was mid-tier powerful at best.
She didn't want to take the name Captain Marvel in the comics because Mar-vel was her mentor and one of her greatest loves.
When she finally got over her grief and the blame she placed on herself for his death she assumed the role; as one of his last wishes.
She treated it with a mix of trepidation and respect; spending years trying to live up to his example.
Then Civil War 2 happened and she became a thought-crime punishing fascist who killed Tony Stark in cold blood.
Sadly Disney latched onto the "All-New" self-righteous Captain Marvel and that's the one the rest of the world [non-comic fans] got to know courtesy of Brie Larson.
As someone who enjoyed Chris Claremont and Brain Reed's Ms. Marvel runs, as well as Kelly Sue DeConnick's first run (where she takes the mantle of Captain Marvel), what has happened to the character under Disney is just sad. I used to have all of my CM comics proudly displayed on my shelf. Now they're in storage and I'm one bad day away from selling the lot of them.
Yeah, I was super excited when I first heard she was joining the MCU because I thought, "Oh! I do hope they explain how Mar-Vell was a great hero in his own right, and that Carol admired and respected him enough to carry on his legacy."
Then I learned about how she was being portrayed in the comics of the time, and how _that's_ the version they were going to use...
Was she a Muslim girl originally?
@@jvharbin8337 Kamala Khan was always a Muslim girl. Carol Danvers is not.
Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel and became Captain Marvel after the death of Mar-Vell. Kamala Khan (whom the show is about) was always Ms. Marvel, and always a Muslim (at least from what I know).
as a gay latino minority guy, never felt represented by a super powerful girl with pretentious story, nor did i feel the need of a gay latino man being a super hero in the avengers universe now a muslim kid, doenst matter any gender, wont click any energy on me, fuck, not even any 1 i know in my country, muslim or not. BTW the term LATINX is offensive as fuck for every person in latin america, you know, the biggest part of the whole continent? cuz america isnt 1 country, america is the whole continent, people cultures, etc, yea.
"The main character came across as bland and unengaging, relying mostly on her religion and skin color to define herself. There was no mention of an antagonist or overarching threat of any kind. The art style was apparently designed to appeal to 12-year-old children with ADHD, and as far as I can tell, there isn't even a compelling origin story for her. It all just felt like bright, colorful, disposable fluff."
Yep, that's Kamala Kahn... For someone who claims to know literally nothing about her, you pretty much summed up everything there is to know about her entire 8 year existence as clearly, accurately and succinctly as anyone possibly could. The difference between the comics and this is that they kinda changed her powers from Mr. Fantastic/Ant-Man powers where she can stretch and enlarge different parts of her body (she typically grows huge or creates giant feet or hands) into an energy-based version of that, perhaps to make her more akin to her inspiration, Captain Marvel (for some reason) and to make sure she doesn't feel too directly similar to the better, more established characters with more comparable powers. I don't have a problem with her Islamic religion being a huge part of what defines her, because at least that can inform her worldview as a person which, if she was actually written well, would give the character some depth. Unfortunately, every time her faith and allegedly devout family become even remotely relevant, it's basically this really cringe, sitcom-y, whitewashed representation of what it would be like to be a second generation westernized Pakistani girl from allegedly "traditional," first generation Muslim immigrant parentage who for some reason respects her individual choices not to cover her head in public and allows her to casually hang out with boys her age, you know, like a "traditional," "devout" Muslim immigrant family from Pakistan would totally do... There is potential for an interesting character in there if they actually took her Islamic, person from two worlds angle more seriously, but you're never going to get that because it's dangerous to treat brown-skinned Muslim characters with complexity and nuance without the Twitter gremlins calling someone racist and sexist.
@@maravertin well that's the reality you live in
You can just take one look at her and you know what her story is about. _Poor me, boo hoo, I don't fit in, oh look, superpowers!_
I think a kinda better or at least more interesting way a character like this was used wAs in the magnus chase novels by Rick riordan.
bro comics also live in a society
@@maravertin what a sad way to think
1.kamala was born in New Jersey when she suddenly found a bangle for her costume and unlocked powers
2.shes able to turne light into solid from another dimension
3.shes struggles to get a boyfriend, high school, supporting her friend, youtubing and dealing with the fact that her best friend will be gone forever
4.she had to fight against the jins who were from another dimension who want her bangle to go home
At around 8:18 in the video, I’ve heard that’s actually something of an issue-outside the show. Magic is frowned upon in Islam, so when the trailer dropped people thought the bracelets were magic. Marvel waived that worry away by saying they were just space technology or whatever, completely removing the proposed dilemma
So they had an opportunity for actual conflict with consequences depending on how the hero responds, but instead chose to sidestep that? Never change, Marvel.
I'm guessing they changed her powers from the ones in the comics because they want to introduce the Fantastic Four soon enough. And I get it. Kamala having the same powers as Reed Richards before he is even introduced to the MCU would be lame.
They could have had the inner conflict of "I could use this magic for good but it's against my religion". Or she uses magic for her own gain (under the premise of doing good) and then she realizes what she was doing was wrong BECAUSE she's reminded of a passage from the Koran (making her beliefs actually be there for something other than a prop), and then having that inner conflict. But no.
Wouldn't wanna be racist in a show that's all about how race is so important and you can't ignore it.
If that's true, then let's hope Kamala will have some sort of concern or reaction when meeting Dr. Strange or interacting with any kind of magic in the future. Then again, it's Disney we are talking about, so...
I think we’re far beyond the “lets just wait & see how it turns out before we pass judgment” phase with these projects. If you’re in a store & see a fruit that’s half-rotten, do you have to buy it & taste it because that’s the only way you can be 100% sure it’s rotten?
"dude! how do you know it's actually rotten if you don't buy and consume."
To be fair i've found myself wrong with expecting some stuff to be shit recently. Arcane was a masterpiece and I thought it would be garbage. I was worried Elden Ring would be disappointing but it may just be peak gaming of this generation. It's always better to wait and give them a chance imo.
Honestly Moonknight looks like it'll be pretty good, at least for MCU standard. But yeah, the trailer for this was physically hard to get through, let alone the show..
Only when absolutely shit faced
But then, add in the burnout. Even if these projects were good, sometimes you've consoooomed way too much product anyway.
After Endgame capped off the Infinity Saga, and NWH became a nice nostalgic cherry on the top, I just can't be fucked with Disney MCU anymore.
I'd rather see the "Netflix" Defenders back again, or wait and see if Sony or DC will do something half decent soon. Just something other than the same shit Disney have churned out for 5 years that feels heavily recycled.
Only way I see this working well is to have everything goes wrong the moment she gets her powers. She ruins events unnecessarily because of her wanton use of powers, her self-proclaimed fame ends up alienating and ultimately ostracizing her once-loved friends, and her resentment of the life she has ends up costing her something of legitimate value, maybe even a family member. The only way, I'd argue, the show will work as is requires the ultimate villain to be herself. The issue isn't that there's some big bad guy that she has to overcome, the issue is that she has *no* idea what's she's actually asking for, and ultimately destroys everything she holds dear due to her inability to accept reality. That's not the show we're going to get, but the way I'd be most "for" this show is if it acts as a wake up call to all these rosy eyed post-millenials that your perception of reality isn't always right and if you aren't careful you can destroy what's good about your life in pursuit of something you never even needed.
Soo, the only way this show works its copying Spiderman origin?
holy shit yeah that's one good way to turn it around and make it a story worth the time it takes to watch
That sounds great.... and it could end in her geting help from experienced Heros
Yeah the writers aren’t self aware enough to do this
@@micheld7994 dude, there's only, like, two superhero origin stories anyway.
I guess the notion of "hero" evolves with the value system of the generation.
Thank you - “ relies on her religion and skin colour to define her character “
Yup - as a Muslim it was a little cringy
Suddenly an ideal and creed becomes an accessory much like everything else
You didn’t need to know captain America was a believer in god or he was possibly Christian - but careful lines such as “ there is only one god and he doesn’t dress like that.” Covered a belief without tacking on the cringe.
Also - am I crazy or are the super heroes getting less fit mentally and physically ???
Mental fitness has always been a weakness for heroes that helps people connect with them (when done well).
The poor physical fitness of heroes is just stupid body positivity.
how does she use her skin color and religion to define her self? they showed ONE scene in the trailer that shows anything to do with religion. But of course, you guys will follow anything your dumbarse youtuber will say even when they are wrong.
@@teamfishbowl1076 be gone snowflake
They wish them to look more like the "normal" person...which is ironic because nobody pictures a "normal" looking superhero. They are generally the pinnacle of looks...
Show ain’t out yet chief so you have no idea about her character. Also wtf are you talking about less fit mentally and physically??!? WHY ARE SUPERHEROS LOOKING LIKE EVERYDAY PEOPLE? Why can’t the teenage girl be FIT AND HOT?!?!?
Really? So she's not being bullied or segregated in the slightest, but yet takes it upon herself (through sheer greed and self-service) to act as a damaged victim and "get stronger" only by trying to usurp power from others and claim it was their birthright, yet when others do the exact same thing, they're the evil ones and she's totally absolved of blame?
Well, this is a totally unique story that has no real world reflection in the slightest, isn't it?
Well put! Victory!
oh don't get too far ahead here. You better believe they are going to find a way for her to be mistreated and looked down on by none other than huwhytie
That's all women.
female superheroes seem like an allegory for female greed more & more these days
I still remember seeing the panels with ironheart were she actively tries to make her teacher demean her only for it to fail utterly
I believe that there are no bad ideas just bad executions. Heck, a teen wanting clout, gaining powers and with a growing ego is a great idea. Even the first Spider-Man didn’t think to use his powers for good at first- he wanted to use it to get money.
It is a really good idea to lean into a hero who is driven by ego and impulsive teen brain- however the risks of using her powers have to have consequences.
If miss marvel wants to be a show that has their main heroine defined by her being a teen and Muslim- then they can’t be afraid to show the unique consequences that come with it.
GREAT point!!!
"If miss marvel wants to be a show that has their main heroine defined by her being a teen and Muslim- then they can’t be afraid to show the unique consequences that come with it."
Which they will never do because it would sow discord with their Muslim audience. Disney makes movies, and if they decide to try to be political or philosophical, they will do so in the most centrist way that will ruffle the least amount of feathers. I predict if there is any cultural conflict at all, it will end with everybody accepting her for no reason with no reinforcing nexus between the character's obstacle and their growth. They'll accept her just because and throw in a sappy speech to patch it up.
@@mowgli6345 but the consequences don't have to lead to her leaving the religion. Rather they could do a scenario where she chooses her religious ideals over western liberal ideals , that would be fresh as well,as from what I have seen Muslim women if they go through character development only end up going to the opposite direction n holywood , but I guess this show is for westerns so either they just show her being Muslim sometimes while the religion having no effect over anything she does or they make her fully abandon the religion or else large part of the audience wouldn't like viewing a strict Muslim superhero
@@chailouai3084 Bro that's never going to happen. Women literally sit in the back during Muslim prayer. Marvel (and thus Disney) is on a huge social progressivism transformation, if you haven't noticed yet.
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In the comics, her religion was only important when they were bored and then never really an obstacle to anything she really wanted to do. In spite of her family seeming to be the most extreme Muslims in existence, she was never forced to cover up in a major way, was totally allowed to mix with boys, and never encountered a situation where she said, "I can't do this because of my religious convictions." The only exception I know of is when she started - secretly - seeing a boy and couldn't get all sweaty with him because she knew she'd get in trouble with her parents. A side plot, basically. This is vanilla Islam meant to be nonthreatening and totally 'just like you'.
I actually like the concept that she is just an average teen with a wild imagination and desire to be "special", it's pretty relatable and realistic, every teen feel the world owes them fame until they realize the world doesnt revolve around them. I'm also kinda sick of every hero needing some kinda sob story as if tradgedy is the only thing that makes a character worthy of their story being told (this very trend fuels the "woe is me" mentality that a lot of insufferable karens have noways) not a lot of films let alone superhero films have focussed on a character that wasnt tragic and therefore immediately earns brownie points. I'm just skeptical that mcu at this point will actually do something good with this character and not just use it to push THE MESSAGE.
Are you gonna whine "MESSAGE" when the lead isn't a white male?
That trend has nothing to do with “Karens” of today. Those people have always existed but the internet has just given them a microphone.
It relatable but there's nothing to looked up to,it can be good movie but
not good super hero movie.
Superman is a good example of a non-sob story. He doesn't even know his parents died and planet blew up untill teen age. He discovers his powers in teen age and learns responsibility as he matures.
@@blackpanthar906 but so far his biological parents have died due to the war and the destruction of his home planet and he will learn about it anyway
Ms.Marvel can easily be described as souless and corporate. There's nothing about her that is organic and timeless.
Compare her to Spiderman and it's a night and day difference
To be fair I probably say Wolverine. Spider-Man is a high schooler you know obviously you got that High School bullies and all that crap but that in terms of like actual struggles and triumphs I would never put Spider-man up there. Wolverine to me has like the most interesting and horrible backstory that makes him more lovable than most people because of what he had to go through to get to where he was. Spider-Man was just given these powers and you know just kind of went about his day with them and then turn into this magnificent superhero with barely any real struggles.
Spider-Man’s a completely different character with completely different ideals and plots so to compare them makes you look dumb
Ms marvel has not had half the comics or coverage Spider-Man has
dude the show did not even come out yet
@@br00kdale
Yeah. What’s the point of this Criticism if no one really knows anything yet?!
@UC-f2-OvtfbysXnJ-mnHoUUg that’s her name.
The question I'm asking is, why did they change her powers? She had strecthy powers, so why did they add all of these other things
Because of fantastic 4
probably because the inhumans show did so poorly they would have to spend a good deal of time setting them up so they could set up the terrigen mist that gave her her powers. easier to just have a make shit with her mind bracelet.
1. CGI can look goofy for it and 2. F4 in the next few years
@@jaer.6540 1. I would rather seen goofy cgi than what ever this is.
2. How does she conflict with f4? I don't understand thsi point... if you wanna say "she is mr fantastic 2.0" than she is not, she has different powers...
@@middlityzero2318 true but two heroes can share a power and still be widely different, i mean look at how much superheroes with super strength
"It seems like her character is defined by her skin color and religion."
Dude that's true of the comic book Ms Marvel too.
Its literally them making a show out of their worst selling comics.
To be honest i m a fan of the directors who did the bad boys for life movie ( for their work on patser) so they are the only reason om giving them a trust
Idk, I like that she’s a mega fangirl of all the older heroes to the point where she writes fan fiction about them. It’s “weird” but unique imo. The fact that she still uses the moniker of Ms. Marvel is a missed opportunity for an arc about finally being her own person and forging her own path tho
Imagine obsessing so much over skin colour bruh I'm brown and the last thing I care about is skin colour... Kevin Feige is such a degenerate.
Dude this was one of the best selling comics when it first came out and was one of the most successful new characters for marvel when introduced and has been doing pretty well since....Now successful doesn't mean good but looking at the criticism many people that claim to have read said that the religion aspect is just window dressing snd barely plays a role. So while criticizing is fine why make a claim when its obvious your making it up? Is it just to jump on the band wagon?
Then again, Guardians of the Galaxy was low selling too, but at least it wasn’t a diversity point in their portfolio
I loved that she wasn't bullied, i am sick of "the nerd is actually a superhero" trope
Same. Or in any media. Like as a peculiar kid i & my friends were never bullied, & in reality that trope is so old
i would have actually liked that after seeing what Ms marvel was
I’m sick of the whore-demon is a good+guy supercunt/superhero joke???!!!???…
@@mayank.7368 It's gotten old. People are tired of that stereotype. Plus, it's really pathetic.
Taking one look through the comment section of that trailer really does just highlight how much of an echo chamber some in the MCU Fandom have made it. Accepting stuff like this and making excuses for it is not the type of thing we wanna do with this property. By allowing more stuff like this to get past the threshold, we deny better writers coming forth with more interesting characters and ideas getting the spotlight they deserve.
And let's be honest with ourselves, Kamala is not a very intriguing character. Drinker described her here the best; a watered down Ms. Marvel with ridiculous powers and abilities, created with the idea of diversity for diversity sake, now with the bend of appealing to the TikTok teens out there who'll eat this crap up regardless.
I mean, its doesn't look great to me, but I don't consider any MCU movie/serie to be really good, they are a great source of entertainment, but very few of them are good. This is one clearly is destined at attracting teenage girls to watch marvel movies and its probably normal that grown men aren't too excited for it.
or idk...hear me out...judge a show after you watch it? And not just base your ENTIRE thoughts on a teaser trailer...?
@@andrewstepke7779 if that's the case, then why do trailers exist? Isn't the idea of a show's trailer meant to show you the best sum of it's parts and hook you into watching it? I would've watched if they just announced a title card saying they're making a show about Ms Marvel, but the trailer attached to it gave me all the reasons I needed to watch anything else.
@@commissarthorne3894 here's the problem buddy: I love both the trailer and ms. marvel as a character from the comics. so im hyped as fuck. some people aren't, great, just don't go shitting on it when it's not even out yet. Yes it's supposed to 'show the good parts' and to me it did just that. if didn't do that for you then just wait to see it when it comes out, or just don't, if you want. all im saying is, chill with the prejudging
also keep in mind that they are actively censoring the comment section and manipulating the likes. I am positive they are outright deleting the more negative comments.
MCU back in the day:- here's a new character we'd like to introduce. Let's give them some interesting character development and personality.
MCU now:- here's a new superhero. They're totally awesome at everything already. And if you don't agree, you're wrong. You've gotta do better senator.
Perfect lol
Don't forget:
"I blocked you on Twitter."
But then, add in the burnout. Even if these projects were good, sometimes you've consoooomed way too much product anyway.
After Endgame capped off the Infinity Saga, and NWH became a nice nostalgic cherry on the top, I just can't be fucked with Disney MCU anymore.
I'd rather see the "Netflix" Defenders back again, or wait and see if Sony or DC will do something half decent soon. Just something other than the same shit Disney have churned out for 5 years that feels heavily recycled.
Marvel back in the day , let's throw this character around the fantastic 4 , Spiderman, Thor, yadda yadda Yada now they have their own comic .
Marvel today: oh look they're still doing that .
More interested in the Drinker’s views than the actual series
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Watching dumpster fires is much better than participating in the flames yourself.
If you told me the premise on paper I would cringe to death. I didn’t watch the trailer.
I’m nearly finished with the series and I have really liked it. Everything in my being told me to cringe and roll my eyes but I never did. I don’t know why, but I really like Ms Marvel.
Same, it’s underrated af
People don’t give it a chance
@@billthedoritoguy4770 I plan on watching it, I've read the first book and it was good.
I roled my eyes. Almost every scene.
You like it cause it's very well written, directed and acted? These butthurt men are whining and haven't even watched the show lol
What is good about it?
Bright, colorful and disposable.
Yeah, with a HUGE emphasis on the last one. I can't even start to care about Kamala 'Ms. Entitled' Khan, a girl who has her head in the clouds as she dreams of being a superhero for...attention. The fact Captain Marvel is her role model is exactly no surprise!
why are you mad that a child has childish ambitions
@@SpaghettiBrainX ? I never said I was mad. There'd have to be something to Kamala to make me like or dislike her. She is a child, and that's why I couldn't care less...which is still a huge problem.
@@charlesws7825 you don't need to tell people you're mad to be mad. But okay, whatever I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
So why is it an issue that you don't care? Its okay not to care about things, especially when you aren't the target audience of the product
Dude, you're a grown ass man. This isn't made for you, or I. My daughter is gonna love it though, and that's all I care about.
@@actsofswine7186 Then she has a bad taste. My six year old sister might have better IQ than your daughter. That sounds like a you problem and I am pretty sure this show is gonna bring up a wrong message like. You are always awesome even if you destroy everything around you. Like in Wanda vision. But your daughter, your parenting. You responsibility. I can just guide you. Keep her away from. These kinds of stuff.
In the comic, which this show seems to have tossed by the wayside, I always thought it was the family dynamic which made it work. At least in the early run. The internal struggle was what she wanted to be vs what her parents wanted her to be. It's the first generation immigrant kid story. Which loads of "great American novels" have been written from that base idea. This seems to have forgotten what made the character work. The ping pong between traditional parents with their expectations for their American daughter, and the expectations of the daughter who actually grew up in America. It's a story about a teenager, not an adult. And the eternal struggle of teenagers is defining themselves outside the influence of their parents. That story worked. Don't see this doing it.
You just seem to know from 1 trailer
@@shuyo6073 Yep. Not even a question.
You haven’t even seen the first episode, so everything you just said is entirely meaningless.
No ms marvel comic “worked”, if the sales figures and insane quantity of reboots, retcons, and relaunches in a mere 7 year character history are anything to go by. Oh yeah, she also flopped as the lead of a triple A video game title.
She was fluff made up because it was popular to virtue signal about defending Muslims at the time. That’s literally it, and it shows.
But we’re really gonna see all fluff no substance taken up to 11 with iron heart. Oh boy.
@@ng8437 You disagree with me.
Therefore, you are racist.
You know you’re going to be talking to a boring person when they identify themselves purely by their race, sexuality, and/or religious beliefs.
Because most of the time, that’s all they got going for them.
Bing bong! Nailed it
True.
They them folk on twitter be like
Hmm, can you point out when Ms Marvel said that? Just curious, because I've watched the trailer a few times again, but I still can't really find a scene where she identifies herself simply because of all that.
Edit: Lol nvm, dunno how I missed it, yeah I get it now.
I'm 6'4" and I agree.
Love that this video came out BEFORE the show ever dropped. I wasn’t excited for it, and yet “Ms. Marvel” quickly became my favorite MCU show
All the MCU shows suck.
@@GigaChadh976 I agree. But this show is hands down, the worst.
@@klby30 yes
@@GigaChadh976 Loki? What If series? WandaVision??? Come on man.
After having watched the trailer a few times through various breakdowns, this is what I've put together so far. Kamala is a girl who happens to be of Middle Eastern heritage and Muslim faith. Other than her own self deprecation does this ever seem to affect her life as they show no one using it against her. She obviously is in a family that has no problem with her wearing her hair out at the only time he has a head covering is while at religious service. She has friends but not the popularity she thinks she wants. Welcome to being a person. And she thinks being a superhero will change all of that without ever thinking how much a hero's life sucks and that their life no longer belongs to them. It's worse than being a movie star or musician because people will literally depend on you to save their lives and you will not always succeed.
Take Endgame as an example. Despite restoring half of the universe, Tony and Nat died to make that happen. Vision was still gone and we saw how Wanda reacted ultimately. The loss of Tony as a guiding light for Peter broke the universe. Hawkeye will have to live forever with what he did in the 5 year period his family was gone. We haven't even seen post Endgame for Thor, but it's going to suuuuuuuuuuuck. Being a super hero is the worst. You do it out of a sense of unpayable duty and hope not to screw up too much along the way.
Or you're Carol Danvers and the many strong female heroes who just have to be there to be awesome with no regrets. Anyway, I'm going away now.
Not every brown looking Muslims are from the middle East.There are Muslims in South Asian countries like Afghanistan Pakistan India Sri Lanka Bangladesh
@@metalhead9061 Ya got me. I don't claim to have the knowledge of that part of the world to decipher when it stops being Europe and becomes Asia. But at that point, isn't it just quibbling over a detail that doesn't make that much difference?
Just say you hate women
@@PzPewwi sounds like you are projecting, so maybe you should just say it
First I have one question are you white? Because I’m actually mixed race (Eurasian, English and Pakistani to be specific) and many Pakistani or Indian people or mixed raced people like me don’t have many Asian role models. Unlike all those on your list who are mainly white Americans who have everything handed to them on a silver platter. I don’t really give a f**k about the hardships those characters faced. I want to know what they’ve faced in real life. Not racism. Ms Marvel is a hero to many people and yes she’s meant to have flaws, I mean doesn’t every young teen want to be a superhero? It makes it more real that she wants to be in the spotlight. She can be a role model to South Asians and people from the rest of the world.
7:18 - hahahahahaha amazing editing. You can still see the green screen where the clip goes over. Matching the quality and attention the writers, producers, and directors will put into this show! Top Tier satire!
My ongoing gripe with Disney is how they take characters designed for older audiences then Disneyfy for a general audience consumption so they can maximize profits and sales
It's why I'm worried about how the Daredevil, Punisher series will turn out now that they are under Disney. It's also why I think DC has an outside chance of garnering new audiences if they can actually offer mature, non predictable stories with complexities that go beyond "good guys win" concept
The only way DC would get better. If they started making stuff R18+ and aimed for an adult audience.
For example The Boys.
Lmaoooo DC fanboys unite.
Well they got rid of hack snyder and then we got Joker, THE Suicide squad and The batman so DC really could pull it together
@@devoid4661 Exactly. It's all about how u do it. Not dark for the sake of dark, but storytelling that makes the world feel real.
The Batman especially felt like this...unpredictable in how it breaks from the "good guys" wins without any casualties, ribbon wrap endings
I still look forward to the day superhero movies evolve to where I don't already know you'll survive bcuz u are signed on to a 3 movie deal
@Umar Metcalf bruh no way. Its a vaush nonce fan AND HE'S MUSLIM. HARAM HABIBI HARAM
The self-burn was absolutely masterful. Well done Critical Drinker you brilliant bastard.
3:56 actually the title of Captain Marvel was given to Monica Rambeau by news reporters, she then kept the name to honor his legacy( Honestly Monica in the comics is a really well written character and actually had something unique going for her since she actually has loving and supportive PARENTS at a time when all super hero parents where dead it was really refreshing to have a character like hers.)
She also had really interesting, yet simple, powers and she was BLACK! Like, FROM THE BEGINNING!
How the FUCK did Disney skip over her to make the annoying white woman who can't act the big face of the next phase?
It was funny when Carol came back and found out that not only Mar-Vel died and she wansnt there, but also that Monica took the name.
But that's because even at her best i never liked Carol so i liked her seething.
Can't say I ever had trouble "seeing myself" as the protagonist of films or stories that I liked. Telling me "hey, this character has the same skin color as you" doesn't get me interested in the story, it just make me concerned about the motives of the person bringing that up.
My friend, who's chinese, said one day "I dont care about seeing other asians in superhero movies, I wanna see aliens and gods and superhumans and love and loss, not someone who has just their race and gender orientation to define them"
Same. I relate to a lot of characters that are not Mexican. Though I think it would be cool to watch my ethnicity be portrayed, I don't relate just because they are brown and eat tacos.
Even as one of the racist, patriarchal oppressors, I have no trouble relating to GOOD characters different from myself.
I liked Ripley and Sarah Conner, T'Challa and Rhodey, the Mariachi in "Desperado", and the "punch zombies in the face" Korean guy in "Train to Busan".
And if one of my hate-filled, greedy, xenophobic kind can do it, surely anyone can.
Right? I loved miles morales in into the spider verse. I loved watching him go through struggle and hardship to become a real proper Spider-Man. And I especially loved the message at the end, where miles says anyone can wear the mask. Weird, you’d think that was impossible, given that I’m a *shudder* straight white male, but into the spider verse was easily my favorite Spider-Man movie, until no way home came out.
but many people have already got XDD It is sad how it's easy to grab some people attention. The trailer sucks, visually looks cool - the cartoonish part but the show doesn't seem to be good
"Clearly defined powers and abilities" - God, this one can't be overstated enough. One of the biggest reasons Captain Marvel is so awful is because we have no idea what it is she can actually do, or even what she does even when we see her do something. Blast of light. Great. She's a human flashlight?
Can't help but bring up My Hero Academia yet again. Even though Deku's initial power is essentially super strength, the series takes care to define it as a power that stockpiles strength and passes it on to the next holder. Even when he gets additional powers, those are also explicitly defined, as is what he needs to do to utilize them all effectively. Best yet, the initial power is directly tied to the villain.
It's pretty clear. She shoots lasers, flies, and has superstrength.
That's why I think Saitama from one punch man is so interesting so powerful that he's become bored
@@byronsenior6499 - Except she also seems able to survive in space, exerts force on objects with light beams, is able to somehow act as an FTL engine for a spaceship she's not even inside of, and can somehow survive flying straight through spaceships. Oh, and she can also somehow hack a hostile AI's computer system. It's actually not clear if she has super strength at all, as I don't think we've ever seen her just casually lifting something a normal person wouldn't be able to manage.
Her list of capabilities is.. rather broad and ill defined. None of them seem to really be related to one another or have an obvious source of power. We have absolutely no idea what her limits are. Can she go full death star on a planet? Can a regular human knock her out with a solid punch to the jaw? Does she heal more quickly than a standard human? Can she recharge a cell phone battery? If I hit her with a tranq dart, is she going down?
To be honest, it sort of seems like she can do anything the writers need her to do at any given time, and can't do those things anymore when its convenient for her to not do them.
This is part of the reason I really dislike the MCU take on Carol Danvers.
Like, Mar-Vell? He only had enhanced strength and endurance, and even then that's because Kree by nature are already stronger and more durable than humans. His equipment? Standard Kree military hardware (e.g. a flight belt, and a wrist-mounted version of the unibeam). Even after he got powered up and given the title as Protector of the Universe, his powers were still well defined: he could travel through space (leaving behind a rainbow trail of sparkles behind him), he gained enhanced strength and endurance, and he gained an ability called Cosmic Awareness (essentially a more powerful version of Spider-Man's spider sense).
And even with these enhanced powers, he still got the crap kicked out of him a lot. Like, he was Thanos' archenemy for quite some time, and _never_ beat him in a straight fight. Didn't stop him from trying, and didn't stop him from getting back up no matter how much he was beaten down.
MCU Carol Danvers? She has no challengers. Like, in Snyder's Justice League Superman effortlessly defeats Steppenwolf, sure, but we _know_ that there are others out there who can actually be a physical threat to him. MCU Carol laughs off blows that sent Thor or Hulk flying.
You did not even see her position, being an asian, you Have to be perfect, the show captures that her life feels like it's bound by orders and rules and she grows a mentality of being someone famous while really, she is trying to make her parents and herself proud without realising it, the show (so far) has handled that preety well. See something before you call it for kids or self-serving. You said she is selfish, that is why character development exists. She will grow out of her bad things and try to be the best person she can
Hopefully. Disney has forgone character development before, like with Rey.
@Imagdjamnevan Yes I do think that's an issue but I still hope season six could fix that.
We have seen her interactions with people differently than her, I think her character's big episode will be the finale
@@jedijudoka I know the "fans" were expecting Rey to be a useless shrieking damsel for the entire Sequel series, but it wasn't happening
@Imagdjamnevan The 6 episodes are one big movie type story. In their first movies, the leads don't tend to change till the end
@Imagdjamnevan Well she has but it's fair of you to think that she hasn't because the show is pretty vague about her new intentions but she has
I have to say, having lived through the release of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor: aside from bright flashes like Infinity War, it feels like Marvel has been handed off to people who never understood why those movies were so monumental. Maybe even resent them for it.
having a straight white male superhero is frowned upon these days because the entertainment industry appears to be monumentally fucked. Someone has to be "of colour" or gay or a combination of the two. I'm glad I don't have kids. Imagine dragging them into this woke hellhole.
@@bewmdogg To be fair, that's more of an issue from Marvel Comics. As far as the comics go, Kate Bishop does replace Clint Barton as Hawkeye, She-Hulk is treated as famous as Hulk, Ms. Marvel is more or less the same character as shown here, America Chavez is being pushed more, and Jane foster does replace Thor as Thor. The Movies and TV shows are just mirroring what the comics are doing.
The biggest difference is that the comics can bring back characters whenever they want, while you can't keep the same actor playing the same role forever. On the flipside, atleast we are getting some long overdue stuff like Moon Knight, Blade (nothing was done since the 90s Blade trilogy), Daredevil Season 4 (rumoured), potential return of more Netflix characters (heavy rumours about the Punisher and Jessica Jones returning) and potential Thunderbolts team up. There is still some good content, I just hope that Marvel doesn't ruin it.
The Drinker might not have a crystal ball, but rather a crystal bowl and it's full of wisdom like 'The hero is only as strong as the villain he overcomes'. Thank you for this.
actually the crystal bowl is full of Scotch
@@kaimerry1587
Tomato, tomahto.
he might have a crystal decanter tho'
Not a crystal ball, but a crystal bowl... a punch bowl... that is spiked... with several gallons of vodka... and they're all out of punch.
Well in the beginning Peter Parker used his powers to be a little more popular and win some money. The thing is he paid for his selfishness and learnt to be responsible. Something like that has to happen to this girl to become a good hero
It didn't
You could also add that he at least tried to earn money in order to alleviate the financial concerns of his aunt and uncle (at least in the tobey movies). Which allows for a bit of selflessness to shine in his selfishness
@@whohimis194 Actually wasn't the Tobey McGuire spider-man trying to earn money to buy a car in order to "fit in" and impress the girls? (I seem to remember a scene with him flipping through the used car ads to find something he could buy)
remember what uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility
Why did he make this before the first episode even released
He's a racist
Intellectual laziness and clicks.
@@Thishandleisnotavailabletoo so, you are saying it’s bad, without watching it…
@@Thishandleisnotavailabletoo
It is explicitly not a trailer reaction video but a review of the entire show based only on the trailer (which I'm not sure he even watched given the inaccuracies in the video).
@@Thishandleisnotavailabletoo
The ratings aren't actually low. They're just less high than they usually are. But they're still high. It's not as if Marvel is losing money on this show.
Having a hero who starts from a place of just wanting fame and recognition could absolutely be an awesome origin story, provided you used that to change the character and comment on some aspect of, fame, popularity, and/or heroism in the process. There's all sorts of ways to go about that. I would go with a "Holy shit, being a hero isn't just about being famous" and, "You don't play at being a hero. People's lives are at stake" sort of angle which could lead very easily into either a mid season, or near end of season sacrifice leading to character growth (think Spider Man and Uncle Ben but don't just copy that).
Why does this make me think of Booster Gold?
It's fine in a general sense, a character wishing for fame only to then realize that there are downsides and obligations attached to that and how they acquired it. That's all fine.
I just feel that a character dreaming specifically of super powers, only to then find some randomly in the attic... it's like the bluntest way you could go.
I don't get why the drinker thinks all heroes should have the same motivations for them to become heroes, that would get stale very quick.
shazam vibes
People often forget Spiderman was a selfish asshole when he first got powers, cashing in for easy money.
The only way I can see this working is if she wants to be a hero because she sees the glory and fame. When she gets them though, she very quickly discovers being a hero is more like it is for spider man. Stressful, difficult and alienates friends and family; despite the hard slap of reality to the face however, she perseveres and becomes the hero she dreamed of.
This is a modern show and it's a modern Disney show, so that isn't happening.
Ms marvel is their highest selling comic
@@gabrielantunez7642 what numbers are you using.
@@gabrielantunez7642 Who told you that ? You have been posting that everywhere 🤣🤣🤣. Nobody cares about her stupid comics
@@gabrielantunez7642 You just told such a big lie that I wonder how you can feel no shame. Just how?
@@gabrielantunez7642 So you keep saying.. in every damn comment.
As someone who has a Marvel comic book collection of around 600 comics, mostly XMen, Wolverine, Spiderman and Avengers - not to mention the collectors editions of XMen volumes spanning over decades of stories I can't even be bothered to watch Eternals, Hawkeye or Loki. Ms Marvel was a terrible character in the comics so I have more interest in cleaning out my downstairs toilet while listening to Enya on full volume than watching Ms Marvel. Do better Marvel/Disney.
Nothing wrong with occasionally listening to Enya my friend :)
Eh hawkeye was ok. It wasn't amazing and the plot was a bit weak but Kate Bishop is genuinely likeable and plays off Clint and especially Yelena really well. It's the least egregious of all the disney plus shows imo.
@@Pandemia616 ... Loki was pretty damn good in my opinion. I throughly enjoyed my time with that show. Hated all the other stuff.
Dude, compared to this, Enya RULES!!!
Nothing is sacred to these weirdos of the weirdos.
I would love to see a movie where the villan is portrayd as a hero and the hero being portrayed a villan.
That very thing has been happening in real life in U.S. politics over the past 50 years. Most people don't want to spend their discretionary time and money seeing more of the same in a movie.
If you wanna look to a character who’s religion ACTUALLY has a central theme, arc and importance, look towards our “really good lawyer”: Daredevil (Netflix). Matt Murdock and his Catholic faith are explored with so much depth and makes for compelling storytelling about a man questioning his religion, his god, and his ideals.
That’s a story that explores religion and it’s impact on a character quite well… I assume we won’t be able to say the same for Ms Marvel
Using religion as a main selling point of a character in marvel stories is kind of stupid. Do not get me wrong, I completely agree with you and with Matt Murdock. But here one of the main points that Marvel is hoping to attract people to this is that she is supposed to be the first muslim superhero in the MCU.... which on one hand is fine because it gives people who truly care about it some representation but also is weird since this is a world where multiple polytheistic pantheons exist (Asgard Olympus etc.). No other hero so far even mentioned his personal religion (except Steve in Avengers where he said that there is only one god and he is not wearing a cape.) Irony is that the true god or creator of the entire multiverse is the One Above All who is the true monotheistic supreme god of the entire Marvel universe and is representing the authors of the comics and looks like Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.
So she rebels against her religion Islam because she wants to free herself?
-No?
-cowards!!!
Another character that would also be really interesting to explore religiously is Nightcrawler. If you watch his episode from X Men TAS, he is super cool and I'd love to see him done right in the MCU
Honestly an origin story where the hero is a young child/teen who only wants to be a superhero because it would be cool, or make them popular. And for awhile it works for them, they get what they want. They get the fame. They get recognition. They get the girl. But then reality hits hard. They are in a live or death situation now. They might be indestructible but not the people around them. They fail to save an innocent bystander. They get reckless and hurt someone. Or maybe they realize, OH CRAP THEIR ARE SUPER VILLAINS COMING AFTER ME!! And the movie is about them growing up and learning their responsibilities
Oh wait, Shazam. The better Captain Marvel.
Also doesn't Kamala have stretchy powers and she is a Inhuman?
Yea it looked like they completely changed it
@@galaxyandspiritstudios8242 She stretches a bit in the trailer... for about half a second lol
@@austiny6019 Yea... she has 0 powers, it's from bracelets now... And also making shield things? force push... they could make a new character, but changing this much... it's too much...
Isn't that the plot of invincible? It's a good show
@@venom4091 from the trailers, its like them changing her into green lantern power like🙄.
Incidentally, Hawkeye was actually pretty decent. Its only real flaw is that it maybe gave too much screentime to not-Hawkeye, something people also complained about with Loki. They didn't undermine Hawkeye's character in it though, at least. It's pretty consistent with his personality as established in the previous couple of films.
@Erik Kemeey Did I say it wasn't going to be bad?
@@KindredBrujah not really no, but I do agree on your hawkeye comment glad someone other than me enjoyed it.
hawkeye was the best amongst all the shows imo. Moon knight comes close second only because its very different to what the MCU really is but they spent too much time with character development that they forgot it was a superhero vigilante show. Hardly they actually show the moon knight in the series, but when they do its balls up crazy fun
Nah Hawkeye messed up Kingpin
Loki was on the screen like 24/7 how did he not get enough screen time?
With a name like KAMALA, there will NEVER be a "higher purpose or goal" than GETTING WHAT "YOU" WANT
This whole movement of "everyone gets a trophy" and not having to work to become a hero is to teach people that you are born in to a position and must accept it in order to thrive. It, like so much of our new speak, is about control from above.
maybe thats the moral lesson. 'dont feel guilty about that youre lucky enough to live in a western overly tolerant society. or that the systems of that will allow you to inherit great gifts, without any hard work, responsibility or consequences' if you want it enough you can have it. kind of reverse jimminy cricket. maybe it will get flipped that after becoming super-human, the nagging doubt is the real human part of her character.... or not.
You mean like iron man? Or thor? Or mutants who were born with amazing powers? Gimme a break.
When everyone's special... no one is.
@@adeniyiogunkeye9091 You should take a break yourself. X-Men movies, especially the old ones, spent an awful lot of time explaining the conflict between mutants and humans and how mutants had factions, some of which felt superior to regular humans. You're willfully ignoring that this isn't a new concept, you don't even have an argument. Iron Man was not born with a power, he worked really hard for his status as a superhero, even if his resources were plentiful. He's gone through hell and worked hard to get where he was at the end of Iron Man 1. I can't understand how you just equated Iron Man to X-Men to Ms. Marvel (as shown in this crappy trailer). You're out of your mind.
Control from above? Like a small elite circle of culture controllers sit in an office and send coded communications to culture creators to tell audiences that "everyone gets a trophy" and what, somehow this leads to profit and power for them? Do you think this is realistic and describes the actual world we live in? Even if there were such "controllers", wouldn't your message, that "you are born in to a position and must accept it" be a likelier one from people in power?
The sad thing about Ms. Marvel is that the OG Ms. Marvel - yes, Carol Danvers - was a genuinely interesting character. She was a recovered alcoholic and one of Tony Stark's closest friends. Tony was even her AA partner. She was public with her superhero identity, and was one of the first and most staunch supporters of the Superhero Registration Act (the comics version of Civil War). She stuck with Tony through thick and thin. She was also a respected Avenger and pretty damn powerful. And damn her costume was hot.
I agree . In my eyes she was the perfect captain marvel . Especially in ultimate alliance she was one of the best heroes to play .
There was the weird story about her being pregnant with an alien and ..... lets just say this was a very akward arc and should be forgotten.
But she isn't black, so CANCELLED
And her comic got cancelled because it didn't sell for shit
@@Snyperwolf91 Carol is a joke and my favorite arc is in House of M where she's told she's trash and unpopular before Wanda's false reality😂😂
She got cap shot, Mar-vel is best if not Spectrum who's way stronger than Carol's version😆
I agree that alien baby rape stuff was odd. *Rogue solos in battle & looks*
Edit: Kamala's comics sell like crap & that shitty "Avengers game" made for her was atrocious🤷
@@rb9882 didn't rogue also stole her powers?
I mean as a bit of a defense I will say, having a character who does become a hero solely for frame but then becomes a hero for noble reasons could work well. So I myself am going to wait and see, but my expectations are low not a knock on the series but I've been too disapointed by things in the past 2 years.
Or she could start out a hero then turn into a villain that could be interesting
I suppose they could always take the booster gold approach, having the character start off with selfish and mundane motivations to want to have the title of 'superhero'. She could either be called out or have a spiralling series of events that get her to reflect on herself and truly become a hero through her selfless actions rather than just using her powers and title for self gain.
I think there’s a hero that’s really good for this named speedball.
I wonder what he what he thinks now…… than he can ACTUALLY WATCH THE SHOW