I bought a brand new r1250gs adventure last year. Just sold it and went back riding my old 02 1150 gs adv , which has never givin me an ounce of trouble all the way from Alaska to terra del fuego and many other trips. My new adv was nothing but trouble from the get go. BMW are making shit quality bikes now and charging through the nose for them !!
@I_am_Thursday plenty of roads which are basically off road in Bolivia , Peru and Patagonia , gravel ,sand etc. not an easy trip in patches but an amazing experience. Thoroughly recommend
Interesting detail. On my 2014 Yamaha Super Tenere the starter relay is at the highest point on the chassis - higher that the radiator in fact. Clearly this is deliberate to keep delicate electronics above the wading water line. Actually all the relays are like this. Also the connectors are high up too, I guess for the same reason. I also note that the GS1300 has a simple cable-tie to secure the drive shaft gaiter below the starter relay - would expect a proper steel waterproof clip of such an important item?
@@mojosdad68 yes and if its accurate they should be able to control that problem easily, but I have to say I wouldnt want any completely new bike for at least a year and this 13 reinforces my thinking. I wouldnt have one anyway as I think the 1250 is so good and is better in some key areas for me personally
I have a GSA which has never skipped a beat with nearly 30k in two years. I’m looking to change this year but the looks of the new GS and all the problems plus it’s smaller are making me concerned for the new adventure. I’ve also heard on another channel that the batteries malfunction at low and high temperatures. Two years ago I was in Italy and it hit 40c so I def do not want battery failure. Leaking gear boxes is another problem being reported. I love the BMW brand and my own bike but I’m now looking at the Triumph Explorer and Multistrada. I ride 2up quite a lot and the pillion seat on the 1300 is 3 inches narrower than the 1250. I think we all expect more of BMW.
Think I will be moving to Triumph too if the awaited new gsa has gone the same route as 1300, its now a small "adventure sport" bike - fine for some but not what I want. On top of being ugly and rather cheap looking the problems are starting to show now enough of them are out there being tested (sorry I mean used !! 😉) Well, no doubt the problems will be sorted out but the new style and market direction are here to stay I fear. A lot of previous gs owners are similarly unimpressed but I guess that wont matter if the number of brand new customers take it up in great enough quantity but I cant see that at the price, I dont think BMW have 'nailed it' as some channels have been broadcasting... an all new 20k plus bike that smokes its starter relay if you get a duffer by chance.... no thanks!
Still not seeing any 1300’s in California. Seems like something is going on. 3 BMW’s was my limit (89 K100RS - 117,000 miles, 06 K1200S - 8,000 miles, 08 K1200GT - 30,000 miles). Total cost of ownership was my greatest issue. Good luck. Cheers
And yet now there is another recall coming. This was what I was told yesterday at my main dealer. Apparently they are going swap the solid state relay for an electromechanical one. One chap had delivered his bike for a service and they were not allowed to give it back to him. I was told they would swap mine during a service I have booked in September. This recall was only issued yesterday.
My 2023 gsa had the starter hang up with a little over 3,000 miles on it couldnt get the starter to stop till i disconnected the ground on the starter and the battery went dead by then the tft was showing a R on gear position Got towed to dealer they replaced the ecm ???
A bit shocking, to say the least. I just recently decided to trade my 2016 GSA in for a shiny RT, but that was for reasons other than the recall. Wish you many safe miles on your new precious.
good information interesting. The news about in December we were told nothing in December. This is a sorry state of affairs. But on the other hand, I suggested wrapping in a condom and no one is listening.
I asked about it at the dealer last week I have the 1250 but was interested in what happened 🤔 he told me that condens water was effecting the relay and that they have all been replaced with better parts.
Bikes are so complex these days that I never take the first year of a new run. I'm happy to wait till they iron out the bugs. 54 of them needed their engines replaced because of incorrect torque settings inside the motor somewhere. Now this relay issue which could be catostrophic if it ends up torching the bike and the garage it sits in. Still BMW so far have been up front and let's hope they get what seems to be a real step forward sorted in this production year.
Listen, every single 1300GS the left the factory before Jan 16th needs a new relay. The initial recall, they thought, only affected 800 - 900 bikes but that was in nov and Germany and Austria only. Your dealership should have known that when bmw made the second announcement on Jan 16th that your bike was affected! Mine did, gave me a replacement bike, asked me not to ride my own till they got a relay. 3 weeks later my bike has had run in service and new relay fitted. Some dealerships for sure are being economical with the truth about this recall cause, it seems to me, bmw are struggling to get the replacement relays out to bikes already in circulation. Not good enough imo
@@TheStammeringBiker yeah ur right. It was Jan 16th when they announced the current recall / service campaign. Funny it’s a recall only when they have the parts to fix the bikes, if not, it’s a service campaign and I wonder how many owners were actually contacted by their dealership or BMW directly to tell them of the potential danger?!
A bit disappointing to deal with but BMW will take care of it. I remember when the new Multistrada was launched and several bikes needed to be recalled for possible metallurgy issues in the valve guides. Or when new Panigale’s were catching fire 😬. No matter how much testing a manufacturer does, there will be issues that pop up when a bunch of people start riding these things everyday.
Everyone hollering how BMW is the best of the best. I tried a 1300. Wasn’t a bad bike. Definitely didn’t do anything better than a Pan America. Or any other ADV I’ve ridden (Just fanboys talking out their a**) in the end, I chose a Pan America. Felt better to me overall. 38k trouble free miles. That is, after I installed a lithium battery. The factory one is a weak piece of junk for these kind of bikes.
Most first gen bike has issues. It’s why it’s best for it to sit on the market for a couple of years before you buy - having said that, my mates Paginale shit itself, and it’s more money then this. Or ask KTM owners. Or Suzuki DR owners with the NSU screws back in the day. Or AT owners with the fork recall. Get my drift? All bikes has issues.
Absolute heapes of shite. Like anything BMW. I've owned an 1150 GSA and currently own a 5 series. Guess what, problems with both. Never again. NEVER!!!!
Wouldn't be a BMW without a recall. Been going on for years but so many owners and dealers keep quiet about it. Tried once and never again.
I bought a brand new r1250gs adventure last year. Just sold it and went back riding my old 02 1150 gs adv , which has never givin me an ounce of trouble all the way from Alaska to terra del fuego and many other trips. My new adv was nothing but trouble from the get go. BMW are making shit quality bikes now and charging through the nose for them !!
I bought my 1250gsa new sept 22 not had much to complain about i am on 8000 miles not a fan of the 1300 its too small imo
@@austinmatthews347 I agree, plus ugly, plus cheap looking 😮
@I_am_Thursday plenty of roads which are basically off road in Bolivia , Peru and Patagonia , gravel ,sand etc. not an easy trip in patches but an amazing experience. Thoroughly recommend
@I_am_Thursday have u done it ? Some of the most beautiful scenery in the world. Certainly not boring. Where are u from ?
Interesting detail. On my 2014 Yamaha Super Tenere the starter relay is at the highest point on the chassis - higher that the radiator in fact. Clearly this is deliberate to keep delicate electronics above the wading water line. Actually all the relays are like this. Also the connectors are high up too, I guess for the same reason. I also note that the GS1300 has a simple cable-tie to secure the drive shaft gaiter below the starter relay - would expect a proper steel waterproof clip of such an important item?
Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
This guy is way too nice when speaking about his dealer. Consumers are so naive and literally pets to big brands. Oppressed
Still waiting for the relay replacement from my dealer here in the Philippines. Very informative insight. Best regards.
Oh dear, theres apparently news of conrods not being torqued correctly on a small number of these bikes now too on the adv site
Oh Jesus 🤦🏻♂️ don’t suppose you have a link?
Sorry no think it was on adv site or similar, think its German market issue so far (?)
Only 52 bikes with this issue…says BMW
@@mojosdad68 yes and if its accurate they should be able to control that problem easily, but I have to say I wouldnt want any completely new bike for at least a year and this 13 reinforces my thinking. I wouldnt have one anyway as I think the 1250 is so good and is better in some key areas for me personally
I have a GSA which has never skipped a beat with nearly 30k in two years. I’m looking to change this year but the looks of the new GS and all the problems plus it’s smaller are making me concerned for the new adventure. I’ve also heard on another channel that the batteries malfunction at low and high temperatures. Two years ago I was in Italy and it hit 40c so I def do not want battery failure. Leaking gear boxes is another problem being reported.
I love the BMW brand and my own bike but I’m now looking at the Triumph Explorer and Multistrada. I ride 2up quite a lot and the pillion seat on the 1300 is 3 inches narrower than the 1250.
I think we all expect more of BMW.
Think I will be moving to Triumph too if the awaited new gsa has gone the same route as 1300, its now a small "adventure sport" bike - fine for some but not what I want. On top of being ugly and rather cheap looking the problems are starting to show now enough of them are out there being tested (sorry I mean used !! 😉) Well, no doubt the problems will be sorted out but the new style and market direction are here to stay I fear. A lot of previous gs owners are similarly unimpressed but I guess that wont matter if the number of brand new customers take it up in great enough quantity but I cant see that at the price, I dont think BMW have 'nailed it' as some channels have been broadcasting... an all new 20k plus bike that smokes its starter relay if you get a duffer by chance.... no thanks!
Thanks for the heads up
So if bike gets wet and can have a potential fire, how is this in any way safe to ride ? Do they not do any testing at all ?
Still not seeing any 1300’s in California. Seems like something is going on. 3 BMW’s was my limit (89 K100RS - 117,000 miles, 06 K1200S - 8,000 miles, 08 K1200GT - 30,000 miles). Total cost of ownership was my greatest issue. Good luck. Cheers
Thanks for your video. I rode an 1150RT for about 10k miles and found enough engineering bafoonery that I bought a Goldwing. Problem solved.
And yet now there is another recall coming. This was what I was told yesterday at my main dealer. Apparently they are going swap the solid state relay for an electromechanical one. One chap had delivered his bike for a service and they were not allowed to give it back to him. I was told they would swap mine during a service I have booked in September. This recall was only issued yesterday.
Mine was in on Monday for the 6000mile service and nothing mentioned 😳
@@TheStammeringBiker But that was the day before the dealers were notified.
@Scratcher2860 ahh that would explain it!
My 2023 gsa had the starter hang up with a little over 3,000 miles on it couldnt get the starter to stop till i disconnected the ground on the starter and the battery went dead by then the tft was showing a R on gear position
Got towed to dealer they replaced the ecm ???
A bit shocking, to say the least. I just recently decided to trade my 2016 GSA in for a shiny RT, but that was for reasons other than the recall. Wish you many safe miles on your new precious.
R1100Gs Best of them all in my opinion.
Brit living in Germany here talked to the dealer should be all good now.
good information interesting. The news about in December we were told nothing in December. This is a sorry state of affairs. But on the other hand, I suggested wrapping in a condom and no one is listening.
I was told about it in December but that my bike was unaffected, unfortunately that panned out to not be accurate 🤦🏻♂️
I asked about it at the dealer last week I have the 1250 but was interested in what happened 🤔 he told me that condens water was effecting the relay and that they have all been replaced with better parts.
This is why they are called a Break My Wallet. Owned one, never making that mistake again.
Best wishes !! Good info.
Bikes are so complex these days that I never take the first year of a new run. I'm happy to wait till they iron out the bugs. 54 of them needed their engines replaced because of incorrect torque settings inside the motor somewhere. Now this relay issue which could be catostrophic if it ends up torching the bike and the garage it sits in. Still BMW so far have been up front and let's hope they get what seems to be a real step forward sorted in this production year.
Agree. As an engineer myself I steer away from all new car/bike model/engine/transmission releases for at least a year.
You don’t stammer … why not change your you-tube handle ? I’m curious
Oh but I do haha
Listen, every single 1300GS the left the factory before Jan 16th needs a new relay.
The initial recall, they thought, only affected 800 - 900 bikes but that was in nov and Germany and Austria only.
Your dealership should have known that when bmw made the second announcement on Jan 16th that your bike was affected!
Mine did, gave me a replacement bike, asked me not to ride my own till they got a relay. 3 weeks later my bike has had run in service and new relay fitted.
Some dealerships for sure are being economical with the truth about this recall cause, it seems to me, bmw are struggling to get the replacement relays out to bikes already in circulation. Not good enough imo
Oh I’m aware of the initial recall etc. my issue happened on the 15th of January so the dealer may not have been aware at the time my issue occurred.
@@TheStammeringBiker yeah ur right. It was Jan 16th when they announced the current recall / service campaign. Funny it’s a recall only when they have the parts to fix the bikes, if not, it’s a service campaign and I wonder how many owners were actually contacted by their dealership or BMW directly to tell them of the potential danger?!
A bit disappointing to deal with but BMW will take care of it. I remember when the new Multistrada was launched and several bikes needed to be recalled for possible metallurgy issues in the valve guides. Or when new Panigale’s were catching fire 😬. No matter how much testing a manufacturer does, there will be issues that pop up when a bunch of people start riding these things everyday.
I've just replaced the front brake pipes on my 1992 k75rt at 112k miles.hahaha.
First year (Engine, transmission, chassis, etc.) bike; Caveat emptor.
Also, if it had been night and you left it in your garage, it could have set the place on fire. Sounds terrible.
Yeah it wasn’t great to be honest!
Everyone hollering how BMW is the best of the best. I tried a 1300. Wasn’t a bad bike. Definitely didn’t do anything better than a Pan America. Or any other ADV I’ve ridden (Just fanboys talking out their a**) in the end, I chose a Pan America. Felt better to me overall. 38k trouble free miles. That is, after I installed a lithium battery. The factory one is a weak piece of junk for these kind of bikes.
not a great sales pitch, £20k plus bike and this happens, I own a BMW too and I might buy another one soon, but this isn't good.
I don’t know of any manufacturer, even Japanese, that haven’t had the occasional issue with third-party components.
for a motor of that price , it schould be match better
You should use Google translate.
@@JollyRoger-😂
Most first gen bike has issues. It’s why it’s best for it to sit on the market for a couple of years before you buy - having said that, my mates Paginale shit itself, and it’s more money then this. Or ask KTM owners. Or Suzuki DR owners with the NSU screws back in the day. Or AT owners with the fork recall. Get my drift? All bikes has issues.
Get yourself a triumph tiger 1200 gt pro ,you won’t be disappointed ❤
Boy, this bike is U - G - L - Y. Jesus christ. What a far cry from the beautiful 1250.
Absolute heapes of shite. Like anything BMW. I've owned an 1150 GSA and currently own a 5 series. Guess what, problems with both. Never again. NEVER!!!!
BMW really dropped the ball. That is one ugly honda. Ooops. BMW. Every engineer that worked on the 1300 should be fired.
keep quiet about it
All that money spent, and you sitting on a toaster,
grow some
Grow some what? Starter relays? 😉
@TeapotOne
I messaged Bruce about this before I even got mine, his was checked but it's possible his needs to be recalled as well! Hopefully not!
Bruce doesn’t wash his bike .. he should be OK ! 😂