Go build schools and universities then the problem goes away! Telling minorities you oppressing to be like you is not going to fix the problem! You loosing this debate completely as you've had 30 years to atleast build schools, instead you flooded our cities,highjacked our property and now demanding minorities to again fix your your problem? We are already paying 80% taxes for 80% of non taxing paying masses who don't pay rent or for service delivery! You get free NSFAS free land free healthcare. We support your language but you need to do it, not expect minorities who don't speak your language to do it! If English a global language is such an issue, then paying for your schooling is really a waste of time and tax payers money!
Why not create new universities that each specialize in one of the official languages of SA? Create more opportunities for those communities left behind without taking away opportunities from others. Being able to communicate in English also opens up a whole new world of opportunities, especially in the global market and locally as well. But I do agree, we need to do more to honour and include all 11 (now 12) official languages of SA ❤
They were supposed to do this and schools 30 years ago! Here's the problem the masses don't pay for basic service delivery nor do their informal sector pay taxes. Now they have highjacked our cities, with all the already free subsidized by tax payers previlages they don't pay for anything but food! With 80% if every rand going to government who must fund this? They need to pay for services in their homelands to get there christmas wish lists! Noone anywhere in the world lives subsidized like black South Africans and they still turn around and cry apartheid, colonialism and racism... If English a global language is such a problem how do they expect to be educated as everyone speaks it, even afrikaans South Africans... it's not the language it's just the masses oppressing the minorities to assymulate to its communism. I don't buy that black parents cannot afford R150 a month to pay towards fixing there schools. Like the "land debate" it's just window dressing their laziness.
Agree with that good advocate I have 1st class proove Poor ANC they lost real life How many workers sent money via my hands at long the Post Office shame on you ANC
Students have a choice where they wish to study. The instance in this case is that some courses are held in Afrikaans. Now the emphasis in this case is; that students want the university to be restructured because they feel it’s too white, that is - they would prefer blacks to be in charge and also a relaxing of discipline so that the students can organise, and object to the lectures being conducted in Afrikaans.
Indigenous languages are only as food as it gets, before it becomes funny-galore language, again. Most of either the Afrikaans or English words are adopted, specially where there is no Zulu, Xhosa or any of the other languages. As it is already in some schools today, a mixture of Zulu and Xhosa are spoken together in order to explain something to a student, but it remains unclear, hence the fact that many students drop out of school. English is too difficult, Afrikaans are too difficult, and what is already in schools are funny-galore. So trying to create words in other languages, surely the ones who speak those languages should have designed it themselves by now, specially where biology or technical or it terms, are concerned. Many are sitting without jobs and could have been used, with the academic ferternities in order to create difficult words for the various languages, as students are too busy to create words themselves. The government could have had a drive of so many who have already studied to, pay a pittance so that each of the unemployed could have sat in a library and rewrite many books and also come up with words that will make sense, in their own various languages. Why is it every single time, even for a compliance issue, the problem of universities or schools? Compliance can only be enforced if all and every single thing were done in order to create an environment where that could have taken place foe more than just academics, to have a say in the various languages journey. That way even an unemployed will know what an academic are talking about. The library resources could have been used and the documents sent to the department of education or various universities in the various provinces, more NATIVE to the area. Why only the "chosen ones" to translate, when they could just have done the checking side of it. I really think it is time for the from the ground ups to the higher academics, to start working together in order to create their own languages, Grammer, spelling, etc. Maybe some will appreciate their own schools more, and not just burn everything down. I believe they will call this INCLUSIVITY! IN THE REAL SENSE OF THE WORD AND NOT JUST ANOTHER EXPECTATION FROM ANOTHER, in which they will once again find a reason for another 76. Funny how others give suggestions, but PRIDE is what is "killing" them. From another, to good to use, or not understood well as to what the aim is, that others must constantly create, instead of themselves. That is taking Actual heritage and cultural pride away from their own, rid8ng on the backs of others for financing, resources, etc etc.
How about they start on basic education . If u stay in suburbs your choice for languages in schools will be only English and Afrikaans. Why it's so difficult to add a indigenous languages of that particular province.... our kids finish schooling unable to write in vanec
Because you've had decades to build in your free land noone else gets. In 30 years you have not built schools why? You voted this government! Why is so difficult for blacks to build hones, schools and universities? You are the masses yet you want to take from minorities? All this why why from blacks is window dressing to the fact that you don't pay school fees,you don't pay university NSFAS does, you have so many subsidies and yet the minority pays! When then do blacks pay pay for service delivery and schooling? If you did you would not be bitching! It's clear black South Africa cannot assymulate and refuses to play it's part. Multi culturalism has failed globally, you really not making any case that moves anyone's heart. Minorities built our schools, not the apartheid government! Those are not governnent buildings those were paid for decades back, infact ontip of taxes under black democracy we pay exhorbatent school fees which the ANC takes where's the money going? Don't ask why? You know why!
yeah study whatever you want - the fact is the world mostly does business in english so it should at least be a second language - otherwise, just study Mandarin or Russian because those 2 countries are in the process of colonizing us as I write this with the full support of the country - go figure its odd really but hey that's the way things get done in Africa it seems!
What rubbish. What is the point of studying engineering in Zulu when the whole industry operates in English. Most of the textbooks are English and if you want to import lecturers they will speak English. It is also close to impossible to do complex maths in African languages because the words are not there.
You can study engineering in Zulu. If you grow up learning words like 'cavity' or 'construction' or 'calcium' as a youth because you learned about your teeth, it conditions your brain with word association early on. The biggest issue is that local languages predominantly have BIBLIC undertones, not scientific critical thought. Developing that could have you just recontextualize words to accommodate English or German technique, no starting over. And we won't have to hang onto Western concepts that have no place in African traditions. ie. Sexual orientation (he, she, they, them) doesn't matter in isiZulu or Xhosa since language is non-gendered anyway. We usually use quantity (singular or plural) to describe who you're talking to and hierarchy isn't depicted the same in English (umuntu > umntwana > abantwana/ person > small person> many small people). It would be interesting to have a take on that.
And European languages are derivative of Latin. There's MANY African languages that come from Arabic that developed ancient mathematical techniques. English isn't the only one that matters, it just took over the cultural zeitgeist. It's not even the strongest in the world. I always thought that black people learned better using Logogram characters than the Latin Alphabetical writing system. It makes sense, they're more pictoral and Europeans prefer things that resemble numbers.
@@suzygirl1843 All languages have their pros and cons. Zulu and Xhosa have features that English does not. That makes it possible to express some things that are very hard to express in English. But no Southern African languages are written languages (the written forms were developed by European linguists inthe last 200 years). Like all non-written languages, this makes the language imprecise which makes it unsuitable for subjects requiring precision. Note I am not saying that this is fault of Zulus or that English is superior or anything like that. Different languages are good for different purposes. For almost all University subjects it is important to be able to communicate internationally. Fair or not, English is the language that is used. An engineer from Germany is not going to learn Zulu to correspond. If you want a degree to be useful then you need English.
@@suzygirl1843Nonsense, germanic languages dominate northern europe and most of our southern african language have no link to arabic. English is the apex language and dominates the world because of it's diverse roots. Afrikaans is a regional apex language because of the same.
#FAKENEWS Most of the native languages in SA do not have the vocabulary to explain complex subject matter. What happens if you go through your entire schooling in Sotho and then at university you expect your professor to explain nuclear physics in that same language? Nonsense.
@@sinosaffer8015 Not really true. The first Morrocan "university" was really a religious college. It wasn't a proper university. Fine if you were a Muslim studying the Koran, but nothing else.
This is absolutely true. I always wonder how would it be if we were given a language choice for our studies
Go build schools and universities then the problem goes away! Telling minorities you oppressing to be like you is not going to fix the problem! You loosing this debate completely as you've had 30 years to atleast build schools, instead you flooded our cities,highjacked our property and now demanding minorities to again fix your your problem?
We are already paying 80% taxes for 80% of non taxing paying masses who don't pay rent or for service delivery! You get free NSFAS free land free healthcare. We support your language but you need to do it, not expect minorities who don't speak your language to do it! If English a global language is such an issue, then paying for your schooling is really a waste of time and tax payers money!
Why not create new universities that each specialize in one of the official languages of SA? Create more opportunities for those communities left behind without taking away opportunities from others. Being able to communicate in English also opens up a whole new world of opportunities, especially in the global market and locally as well. But I do agree, we need to do more to honour and include all 11 (now 12) official languages of SA ❤
They were supposed to do this and schools 30 years ago! Here's the problem the masses don't pay for basic service delivery nor do their informal sector pay taxes. Now they have highjacked our cities, with all the already free subsidized by tax payers previlages they don't pay for anything but food! With 80% if every rand going to government who must fund this? They need to pay for services in their homelands to get there christmas wish lists! Noone anywhere in the world lives subsidized like black South Africans and they still turn around and cry apartheid, colonialism and racism...
If English a global language is such a problem how do they expect to be educated as everyone speaks it, even afrikaans South Africans... it's not the language it's just the masses oppressing the minorities to assymulate to its communism. I don't buy that black parents cannot afford R150 a month to pay towards fixing there schools. Like the "land debate" it's just window dressing their laziness.
Agree with that good advocate I have 1st class proove Poor ANC they lost real life How many workers sent money via my hands at long the Post Office shame on you ANC
Students have a choice where they wish to study. The instance in this case is that some courses are held in Afrikaans. Now the emphasis in this case is; that students want the university to be restructured because they feel it’s too white, that is - they would prefer blacks to be in charge and also a relaxing of discipline so that the students can organise, and object to the lectures being conducted in Afrikaans.
Exactly, all to oppress the minority tax payers further.
And i dont mean that subject like maths to be thought in vanec e.g( isizulu). Just to have a choice between afrikaans and Zulu or offer all three ke.
Indigenous languages are only as food as it gets, before it becomes funny-galore language, again. Most of either the Afrikaans or English words are adopted, specially where there is no Zulu, Xhosa or any of the other languages. As it is already in some schools today, a mixture of Zulu and Xhosa are spoken together in order to explain something to a student, but it remains unclear, hence the fact that many students drop out of school. English is too difficult, Afrikaans are too difficult, and what is already in schools are funny-galore. So trying to create words in other languages, surely the ones who speak those languages should have designed it themselves by now, specially where biology or technical or it terms, are concerned. Many are sitting without jobs and could have been used, with the academic ferternities in order to create difficult words for the various languages, as students are too busy to create words themselves.
The government could have had a drive of so many who have already studied to, pay a pittance so that each of the unemployed could have sat in a library and rewrite many books and also come up with words that will make sense, in their own various languages.
Why is it every single time, even for a compliance issue, the problem of universities or schools? Compliance can only be enforced if all and every single thing were done in order to create an environment where that could have taken place foe more than just academics, to have a say in the various languages journey. That way even an unemployed will know what an academic are talking about. The library resources could have been used and the documents sent to the department of education or various universities in the various provinces, more NATIVE to the area. Why only the "chosen ones" to translate, when they could just have done the checking side of it.
I really think it is time for the from the ground ups to the higher academics, to start working together in order to create their own languages, Grammer, spelling, etc. Maybe some will appreciate their own schools more, and not just burn everything down. I believe they will call this INCLUSIVITY! IN THE REAL SENSE OF THE WORD AND NOT JUST ANOTHER EXPECTATION FROM ANOTHER, in which they will once again find a reason for another 76. Funny how others give suggestions, but PRIDE is what is "killing" them. From another, to good to use, or not understood well as to what the aim is, that others must constantly create, instead of themselves. That is taking Actual heritage and cultural pride away from their own, rid8ng on the backs of others for financing, resources, etc etc.
How about they start on basic education . If u stay in suburbs your choice for languages in schools will be only English and Afrikaans. Why it's so difficult to add a indigenous languages of that particular province.... our kids finish schooling unable to write in vanec
Because you've had decades to build in your free land noone else gets. In 30 years you have not built schools why? You voted this government! Why is so difficult for blacks to build hones, schools and universities? You are the masses yet you want to take from minorities? All this why why from blacks is window dressing to the fact that you don't pay school fees,you don't pay university NSFAS does, you have so many subsidies and yet the minority pays! When then do blacks pay pay for service delivery and schooling? If you did you would not be bitching! It's clear black South Africa cannot assymulate and refuses to play it's part. Multi culturalism has failed globally, you really not making any case that moves anyone's heart. Minorities built our schools, not the apartheid government! Those are not governnent buildings those were paid for decades back, infact ontip of taxes under black democracy we pay exhorbatent school fees which the ANC takes where's the money going?
Don't ask why? You know why!
yeah study whatever you want - the fact is the world mostly does business in english so it should at least be a second language - otherwise, just study Mandarin or Russian because those 2 countries are in the process of colonizing us as I write this with the full support of the country - go figure its odd really but hey that's the way things get done in Africa it seems!
What rubbish. What is the point of studying engineering in Zulu when the whole industry operates in English. Most of the textbooks are English and if you want to import lecturers they will speak English.
It is also close to impossible to do complex maths in African languages because the words are not there.
You can study engineering in Zulu. If you grow up learning words like 'cavity' or 'construction' or 'calcium' as a youth because you learned about your teeth, it conditions your brain with word association early on. The biggest issue is that local languages predominantly have BIBLIC undertones, not scientific critical thought. Developing that could have you just recontextualize words to accommodate English or German technique, no starting over. And we won't have to hang onto Western concepts that have no place in African traditions. ie. Sexual orientation (he, she, they, them) doesn't matter in isiZulu or Xhosa since language is non-gendered anyway. We usually use quantity (singular or plural) to describe who you're talking to and hierarchy isn't depicted the same in English (umuntu > umntwana > abantwana/ person > small person> many small people). It would be interesting to have a take on that.
Very true,our languages don't accomdate those western concepts, education was brought by whites while we didn't have that education system.
And European languages are derivative of Latin. There's MANY African languages that come from Arabic that developed ancient mathematical techniques. English isn't the only one that matters, it just took over the cultural zeitgeist. It's not even the strongest in the world. I always thought that black people learned better using Logogram characters than the Latin Alphabetical writing system. It makes sense, they're more pictoral and Europeans prefer things that resemble numbers.
@@suzygirl1843 All languages have their pros and cons. Zulu and Xhosa have features that English does not. That makes it possible to express some things that are very hard to express in English. But no Southern African languages are written languages (the written forms were developed by European linguists inthe last 200 years). Like all non-written languages, this makes the language imprecise which makes it unsuitable for subjects requiring precision.
Note I am not saying that this is fault of Zulus or that English is superior or anything like that. Different languages are good for different purposes.
For almost all University subjects it is important to be able to communicate internationally. Fair or not, English is the language that is used. An engineer from Germany is not going to learn Zulu to correspond.
If you want a degree to be useful then you need English.
@@suzygirl1843Nonsense, germanic languages dominate northern europe and most of our southern african language have no link to arabic. English is the apex language and dominates the world because of it's diverse roots. Afrikaans is a regional apex language because of the same.
#FAKENEWS Most of the native languages in SA do not have the vocabulary to explain complex subject matter. What happens if you go through your entire schooling in Sotho and then at university you expect your professor to explain nuclear physics in that same language? Nonsense.
Yes, they do, Moron.
True, It's not in our black system.
Always interrupts his guests.
If you can't speak English
. You are.....
Overdependence on the colonisers structural systems🤢
Due to a lack of homegrown systems. #SOCIALISM
Just don't go to university then.
The first real university in Africa was UCT.
@@cccmmm1234 Actually it was in Morocco...
@@sinosaffer8015 Not really true. The first Morrocan "university" was really a religious college. It wasn't a proper university.
Fine if you were a Muslim studying the Koran, but nothing else.
@@cccmmm1234Many western universities started as religious institutions, it doesn't take away from their ability to teach the STEM even at that time.