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Their relationship reminds me the saying that a parent is most hard on their child because they remind them of themselves. Lo’ak is literally a mini version of Jake
I am too lazy to spell his name, but the resurrected colonel dude guessed right away that Loak was Jake's son based on their similarities. I personally feel they aren't exactly the same. Loak has a lot of similarities to Jake's personality, but he has totally different motivations and world view. In my humble opinion anyways. For example, I would argue that Loak poses a lot more empathy than Jake does.
@@seriouslyrelax well Jake was a human marine before his na’vi life and looked up to Qauritch at one time since the military was his “life” all of the soldiers under Wuaritch basically have abandoned their morals and only see what they do as means to an end for humanity
@@violetrose674 yeah u right but at the same time lo’ak agreed to go somewhere he wanst supposed to go he literally said “I’m not allowed to go there” that mean jake or neytiri told him not to go there but he still went, he disobeyed his parents. At the same time tho 70% of it wasn’t his fault. Idk tho that’s just me
just because he had a legitimate reason to be upset doesn't mean he had to be such a condescending and loathing parent towards primarily Lo'ak; which made him feel like a disappointment and an outcast. he could have handled himself better, I give his parenting towards Lo'ak 3/10.
@@Divi333. one must understand their situation to understand the behavior. jake has his sons on the front lines meaning they are in constant danger. what loak did was deliberately disobedient and it almost got them and their team killed. Jake is both a concerned parent but also an angry commander. he is not being condescending or loathing, he is being stern and critical because that is how one must be in their situation.
Sad but Lo'ak kept making mistakes not thinking about the consequences (like every teenagers do lol), hopefully in the 3rd movie we might get to see some character developpent from his part after the loss if his brother as we are sure that will impact him greatly
You are absolutely right. Lo'ak reminds me a lot of John Connor from T2 and Andrew Garfied's Spiderman, all extremely witty, intelligent young lads but bit impulsive, they will learn after a major trauma and become more responsible and for Lo'ak, Neyetam's death is basically his Gwen Stacy moment.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ exactly, he will most likely try to live up to his brother and try to be perfect like neteyam was, since he is now the oldest, the responsibilities will fall on his shoulders
I think the 4th movie will show his change, the Tulkun Rider is probably Lo’ak. And I can’t see Lo’ak in the character list of the 3rd one (I only see the list in Wikipedia, maybe it’s not true). So he may not be the main character in the 3rd one, and his change may not be shown in this movie. But in fact, I think Lo’ak will still have an impulsive mind, but he must be much more mature and calm than in this movie, because he remorses that he causes the death of his brother
@@Trymie98 possibly but I think what it really was that he couldn't bare the thought or risk of loosing both his sons and at that time his daughters were in danger as well so if he took loak with him all of them could've died.
Wasnt sure anyone noticed but loak acts likes jake before joining navi (impulsive,agitated easily,makes rash decisions,doesnt think through his choices before making them,runs off half cocked without considering others)and neteyam acts like jake after joining the navi(skilled leader,thinks things through,warrior,brave)
i feel like neteyam probably acts more like tommy (jake's twin brother) since in the first movie jake talked about how tom was the responsable and honorable one but he died so they were stuck with him
He was a great dad to all of them but Lo’ak. He preferred Neteyam over Lo’ak and treated him better only because he was well behaved while Lo’ak is more rebellious. Classic teen.
Actually he is. Treat your kids as soldiers and do psychological violence on your son it's not the right way. I can't believe Neytiri said nothing more than "We're not soldiers". C'mon, woman, speak more than this!
@@kevsdigitalartsmore3743 Yeah upon rewatching the film I agree. Neteyam is definitely favoured a lot while Lo'ak is just the black sheep, the bad egg lol it goes both ways the kid goes out to make more trouble and the parent disciplines the kid more
@@rorydrakon4743 I think he treats his children like soldiers is not him in his natural mood, he did this after the humans came back and the war started. he would act a lot nicer but because now it's war time he must teach his kids to stay in their lane, not risking their lives etc Neteyam follows the rules well but Lo'ak always makes trouble which is basically risking his own life as well as others a big no no in the time of war
@@Nicholas_Chen_ No, he treats the children like this because it's a marine so he didn't know the right way to teach them. It's not his fault, but that's his problem, he had to understand he was wrong and he didn't realize it for all the movie, no matter what he said to Lo'ak. Also Neytiri was in war, like Jake, but she didn't do this to her sons. It's not the right way, even if you are in war. You can teach to your son that it's not a game without psychological violence.
0:18-0:32 Loak is not to blame here at all, he ended up in the sea behind the reef because Aunun threw him there, but Loak still stood up for him so as not to be punished, Jake did not even listen and made Loak guilty, and he is not to blame.
Just Like Running a Bicycle 2 I think it’s pretty obvious that he was lying. He always stood up for that stupid clan, and he still punished his son. If you ask me he’s pretty fucking stupid.
Lo'ak's heart was in the right place he just wanted to save Spider and Payakan. As Jake teaches them the Sullies stick together it's like when Tuk and Tseirya went back for Kiri Neteyam just had the misfortune to be shot. I hope they can somehow bring him back.
But Jake seen Lo'ak become the son he wanted him to be when he saved him along with Payakan. Jake let him know he was proud of him finally and saw he was right about Payakan.
I honestly don't know how to feel about Jake's parenting. We can clearly see that before the humans came back he was a super loving and caring father, Lo'ak and Neteyam didn't feel so on edge or such a degree to be absolutely perfect; then the humans came and he became much more of an authoritarian parent with harsh training/punishments and held his sons to a very high standard. I understand why he did this, they were now living at war with the humans, so any miscommunication or goofing off could result in one of them, or the entire tribe dying. I just wish he still showed his son's that he was proud of how far they've come, because I honestly think that Neteyam didn't understand how much his dad really loved him, and I think Lo'ak will always have that fear lurking in the back of his mind that his father view's him as a disappointment. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Perhaps now that neteyam is dead jake in the third one will start to show more love towards loak and make sure he knows that he isn't a disappointment. Honestly the reason all along jake kept getting mad at them was yeah because he was trying to protect them.
@@alexcrockett5665Yeah plus Lo’ak was breaking Jake’s rules and putting himself in danger. I think every parent would be like this if their kid did that. I still think Jake’s a better dad than Frank Heffley from Diary Of A Wimpy Kid
I wouldn't let my kids go into battle unless they were adults, training is fine, but children should be kept out of battle@@MustacheCashStash125. I understand their circumstances, but it's common sense that children, especially teens, are going to do dumbass shit because it makes sense in their minds. Jake knows that Lo'ak is a daredevil that disobeys orders, why would you put such a risk into the battlefield where he endangers himself and others?
It's sad... the worst thing is that Lo'ak is actually very similar to Jake, even resembles him in character and appearance... and Jake treats him like a soldier. Jake was too...scared od his family destruction i think..
Jake treats him like that because he KNOWS that Lo'ak is exactly like him. Jake was reckless, a smartass and made avoidable mistakes even in adulthood. Parents who were trouble as kids often try to steer their own kids away from making the same stupid decisions and they tend to be harder on them. Rightfully so, sometimes. But it comes from a place of love, truly.
It’s pretty sad since Lo’ak is trying really hard to make his father proud, but due to his lack of better judgement it makes things worse. He’s a bit confused, but his heart is in the right place.
0:24 This was the only time I think Jake was going too far with his strictness on Lo'ak. Like, dude, I agree he should stop getting himself into trouble, but you could've said said something better than that...
Yeah. Jake still isn’t great with words towards his kids. I noticed that throughout the movie (what also annoyed me a LOT was that neither he nor Neytiri really defended Kiri and Lo’ak when Ronal called them literal demons). Also the “No, you’ve done enough.” right after Neteyam died. That comment crushed him, you could see it in his face. Lo’ak was not to blame for Neteyam’s death, but he does blame himself, looking at his brother’s blood on his hands, and then Jake basically said he blames him too. Poor kid.
I agree. That was an extremely cruel and insensitive remark for a father to say to his son. He could've literally just said he was disappointed in him or that they'll talk later. Telling your child that they're an embarrassment to the family is how you walk in on them hanging from a ceiling.
What was even more annoying was that nothing aside from Lo’aks comments really suggested that Neteyam was the supposed golden child. We’re to assume that he learned the ways of the Omaticaya quicker than the average kid, and that Lo’ak was a bit slower in learning, but the two have a regular sibling relationship, and Jake and Neytiri only seem to be mad at Lo’ak when he gets people in danger because of his impulsive nature (Jake and Neytiri do execute this so poorly that I do understand that it makes Lo’ak think that he’s just a disappointment altogether because of who he is).
Jake is a great dad, if youre not hard on your kids when u need to be, its going to reflect when they get older. And other people have mentioned this but... they are in a dangerous environment. Thats just my opinion.
I always kinda felt bad for lo'ak, he was always trying to live up to his brother and I feel like Jake was kinda hard on him bc he reminded him of himself
Lo'ak's heart was in the right place but he was just a rebellious kid abs wanted prove himself. Jake didn't mean to be hard on him he just didn't want him to make the same mistakes he did when he was young.
If you actually think about it the entire plot only progresses because of Lo'ak's mistakes he's the reason spider was kidnapped and also the reason his brother died
That last clip where Lo'ak wanted to go with his father, & Jake just brushes him off. Honestly that was uncalled for. Jake's behavior in that clip is just downright mean.
True but he was just angry but Jake did see him become the son he wanted him to be when Lo'ak saved him and let him know he was proud of him. Jake realised Neteyam's death was not his fault and seen he was right about Payakan.
I hated how Lo’ak never put his foot down with his parents especially Jake. Neteyam was made to be the golden child and the future chief while his daughters never got in trouble. “You’ve brought shame to this family” and “you’ve done enough.” to me is something you say to a soldier, not a son.
Jake didn't mean to be hard on them he just didn't want them to make the mistakes he did. But he saw a change in Lo'ak in the end and was finally proud of him.
I was a little mad at Jake treating Lo'ak like that but I was mad at Lo'ak as well bcs things he does can turn into accidents or even worse, someone will die. In the end, it causes Neteyam's death.
Lo'ak heart was in the right place he just wanted to save Spider and Payakan. But in war things happen Tuk wanted to go back and get Kiri the Sullies stick together and Spider was also their brother Neteyam's death was on the guy who shot him.
@@masterdrake43 But things like this happen in war like I said he oy wanted to save Spider but it was the guy who shot Neteyam caused his death. I so hope they bring Neteyam back somehow Kiri maybe the key with her connection to Ewya.
Well, he didn't want to abandon Spider again, like they had done in the forest because they're basically brothers- and Lo'ak and Kiri are the only people who really care about him. Lo'ak knew he'd be the only one to warn Payakan because he was an outcast. Lo'ak knew he'd be the only way both of his honorary brothers could be saved.
@@Still_theBaddest_561 Lima Charlie is a military code for "I understood / heard you" (Lima = Loud, Charlie = Clear). Since Jake was military and his sons are raised as soldiers (or warriors depending on how you wanna see it) he would use shorthand to communicate. It is all over the movie from the Sir (instead of dad) to the "send your traffic" which means "what do you have to say / what do you have to report".
I can feel the daddy issues in the comments lol lo'ak didn't help his own case, he did a lot of stuff that guaranteed Jake being mad. Jake could have chosen better words too but Lo'ak giving attitude to Ronal and Tonowari back then like ??? Why?.
@@controlman7490 not entirely wrong because in the law of the tulkun he is indeed a murderer but the story he told, yes it was wrong. Even if the story he told was wrong there was no need to give them attitude like that
These moments made me want to going inside of my TV and punch Jake right in the face and give Lo’ak a big hug and a bit of compassionate advice. Jake has to be the worst dad ever I hate it when parents favourite the oldest child and be hard on the youngest.
Wish we could’ve seen more of Neteyam. But his death made sense cause a series isn’t good or as realistic if main characters don’t die especially when it’s a war series. Cause his death is supposed to be so heartbreaking and brutal cause he’s the firstborn child of Jake and Neytiri and his death makes Neytiri finally snap and have complete hatred for humans cause she lost her sister, Father and now her firstborn child to humans.
That the reason I can't sit through the movie again, Jake seems to have such contempt for Lo'ak, I know he's not perfect, but he's still learning, makes me think if Lo'ak was killed and not his brother would they have shed any tears at all.
Yeah, like I get punishing your kids when it's needed and all- BUT. It seems like that instinct is overpowering his ability to show real affection and care for his sons. Like he demands that Neteyam be Lo'ak's keeper of sorts, since he's the older brother, and he also just assumes that Lo'ak's to blame whenever something goes wrong. He punished them during the raid before checking them for injuries, and isn't able to mince his harsh words around Lo'ak. Like Jesus dude, when's the last time they got told that he loved them?
Technically, they’re Tom’s children too since identical twins share the same exact genes from both parents and not from other generations except for fingerprints
Many people who say Jake is a horrible person to his son. Unfortunately long ago that's how times were back then. The fathers used to treat there sons with pain and punishment the worst ways possible for them to be a man.
I dont even think he wanted Lo'ak to be a man by harsh treatment. Jake just wanted to keep his family safe while having the RDA at his tail for the entire time. His methods weren't the best but Lo'ak was a troublemaker and the entire opposite of Neteyam who always followed the rules his father made. So Neteyam rarely got into trouble though he was reprimanded sometimes for not being able to stop Lo'ak from doing dumb stuff.
They had to cause they didn’t exactly live in an environment like us. There were predators to humans as well as war. You had to mature quicker. It’s why so many got married at young ages and all that.
@@mariarivadeneira3360 so is Lo’ak s fault and not the guy who’s been hunting the whole family. Next thing I know you’re gonna say Lo’ak should’ve been the one to die so you can have your little celebration
JACK SULLY : " Boyssss you're supposed to be spotters you spot bogeys when you call them in from a distance, you do understand that you almost got your brother killed LO'AK : Yes sir JACK SULLY : Listen you're grounded no flying for a month LO'AK : dad you told me to make friends with these kids JACK SULLY : You brought shame to this family any more trouble not in your tail you read me LO'AK : Sure leave me Charlie... And I Want tô gostando with you JACK SULLY : Até you serious, you have done enough LO'AK : dad these??
When I say this, I mean that Jake is not a bad father, and his reasons are vailed in some cases, but he obviously favored Neteyam than he did Lo'ak. And that he treats Lo'ak horribly.
You know when I do something for the right reason in the wrong way, my mom says she is proud of me for trying to do the right thing on my own. We sit down and talk about it on what to do next time. I know Jake is a soldier and is probably the only reason he only looks angry. But even when far from the war, he still treats Lo’ak like crap. He is not the best father figure out there. Why James Cameron? Why?
I sympathize with Lo’ak, not that i was ever a trouble maker, but it always felt like everything I did was wrong, even when it wasn’t. I always felt like my younger sister was loved and favored more by my parents, the only one who ever showed they loved me unconditionally was my grandma. Most of the time Lo’ak didn’t know he was doing wrong until after the fact. The only time he knew he was in the wrong was when they dropped down and grabbed guns in the beginning. He defended kiri and his Tulkan friend, and he tried to make his brother understand him, even though Neteyam already does. 🥹😢😭
@@karisworldgaming4832 Amazing. Everything you said was wrong. Lo'ak literally did nothing to help himself, sure the part where he got left alone out in the ocean wasn't his fault but he did get himself and his siblings into constant trouble. IN A WAR... Did you forget that important bit of information? Jake wasn't abusive, it's called tough love.
@@karisworldgaming4832 shut up at least he wasn’t getting whoopings! jake was like that way for a reason and at the end loak was still alive, stand up it wasn’t abuse at all. jake was carrying everything on his shoulders including loak badness, that’s abuse.
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Their relationship reminds me the saying that a parent is most hard on their child because they remind them of themselves. Lo’ak is literally a mini version of Jake
Lo’ak, so much like his father.
They even look alike😆
I am too lazy to spell his name, but the resurrected colonel dude guessed right away that Loak was Jake's son based on their similarities. I personally feel they aren't exactly the same. Loak has a lot of similarities to Jake's personality, but he has totally different motivations and world view. In my humble opinion anyways. For example, I would argue that Loak poses a lot more empathy than Jake does.
@@seriouslyrelax well Jake was a human marine before his na’vi life and looked up to Qauritch at one time since the military was his “life” all of the soldiers under Wuaritch basically have abandoned their morals and only see what they do as means to an end for humanity
Yeah i totally agree! He is a Mini Version of Jake
Every time Jake got mad 😅 there was a legitimate reason lmao
Lmao fr
Uh, no the second time wasn't Lo'ak's fault. Jake did tell him to make peace and it wasn't Lo'ak's fault Aonung tricked and left him
@@violetrose674 yeah u right but at the same time lo’ak agreed to go somewhere he wanst supposed to go he literally said “I’m not allowed to go there” that mean jake or neytiri told him not to go there but he still went, he disobeyed his parents. At the same time tho 70% of it wasn’t his fault. Idk tho that’s just me
just because he had a legitimate reason to be upset doesn't mean he had to be such a condescending and loathing parent towards primarily Lo'ak; which made him feel like a disappointment and an outcast. he could have handled himself better, I give his parenting towards Lo'ak 3/10.
@@Divi333. one must understand their situation to understand the behavior. jake has his sons on the front lines meaning they are in constant danger. what loak did was deliberately disobedient and it almost got them and their team killed. Jake is both a concerned parent but also an angry commander. he is not being condescending or loathing, he is being stern and critical because that is how one must be in their situation.
Sad but Lo'ak kept making mistakes not thinking about the consequences (like every teenagers do lol), hopefully in the 3rd movie we might get to see some character developpent from his part after the loss if his brother as we are sure that will impact him greatly
probably since it ended his brothers life
You are absolutely right. Lo'ak reminds me a lot of John Connor from T2 and Andrew Garfied's Spiderman, all extremely witty, intelligent young lads but bit impulsive, they will learn after a major trauma and become more responsible and for Lo'ak, Neyetam's death is basically his Gwen Stacy moment.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ exactly, he will most likely try to live up to his brother and try to be perfect like neteyam was, since he is now the oldest, the responsibilities will fall on his shoulders
I think the 4th movie will show his change, the Tulkun Rider is probably Lo’ak. And I can’t see Lo’ak in the character list of the 3rd one (I only see the list in Wikipedia, maybe it’s not true). So he may not be the main character in the 3rd one, and his change may not be shown in this movie. But in fact, I think Lo’ak will still have an impulsive mind, but he must be much more mature and calm than in this movie, because he remorses that he causes the death of his brother
Yes!
Bet Jake inside was like: ‘Damn this kid of mine is such a brat! Was I so difficult when I was his age? Yeah I probably was, sigh…’
lmaooo frrr
Literally him in the first movie:
Means he's gonna have to deal with this a lot longer, atleast until loak becomes a father himself
@@OurelleetsyI think neteyam's death was a wake up call for lo'ak or at least part of it
@@anthonylopez8682 It wasn't his fault it was the guy who shot Neteyam. Lo'ak just wanted to save Spider and Payakan his heart was in the right place.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 I know it wasn't his fault, I'm just saying that lo'ak doesn't go through at least everything his dad went through to learn.
"You have done enough"
That hurts
I honestly think Jake blames him for his brother’s death. At least in that moment.
@@Trymie98 possibly but I think what it really was that he couldn't bare the thought or risk of loosing both his sons and at that time his daughters were in danger as well so if he took loak with him all of them could've died.
@@Trymie98 Yeah, I don't think Jake's a pretty good father.
Wasnt sure anyone noticed but loak acts likes jake before joining navi (impulsive,agitated easily,makes rash decisions,doesnt think through his choices before making them,runs off half cocked without considering others)and neteyam acts like jake after joining the navi(skilled leader,thinks things through,warrior,brave)
Nice remark, Emily. Perhaps that is why Jake is so critical of Lo'ak's actions. He just sees his old self in him
Also in the scene of Jake talking to his sons after train attack, Lo'ak wears the same war color on face, as Jake in the beginning of his Na'vi path
i feel like neteyam probably acts more like tommy (jake's twin brother) since in the first movie jake talked about how tom was the responsable and honorable one but he died so they were stuck with him
This video makes Jake look like the worst dad ever 😂
He was a great dad to all of them but Lo’ak. He preferred Neteyam over Lo’ak and treated him better only because he was well behaved while Lo’ak is more rebellious. Classic teen.
Actually he is. Treat your kids as soldiers and do psychological violence on your son it's not the right way. I can't believe Neytiri said nothing more than "We're not soldiers". C'mon, woman, speak more than this!
@@kevsdigitalartsmore3743 Yeah upon rewatching the film I agree. Neteyam is definitely favoured a lot while Lo'ak is just the black sheep, the bad egg lol it goes both ways the kid goes out to make more trouble and the parent disciplines the kid more
@@rorydrakon4743 I think he treats his children like soldiers is not him in his natural mood, he did this after the humans came back and the war started. he would act a lot nicer but because now it's war time he must teach his kids to stay in their lane, not risking their lives etc Neteyam follows the rules well but Lo'ak always makes trouble which is basically risking his own life as well as others a big no no in the time of war
@@Nicholas_Chen_ No, he treats the children like this because it's a marine so he didn't know the right way to teach them. It's not his fault, but that's his problem, he had to understand he was wrong and he didn't realize it for all the movie, no matter what he said to Lo'ak. Also Neytiri was in war, like Jake, but she didn't do this to her sons. It's not the right way, even if you are in war. You can teach to your son that it's not a game without psychological violence.
0:18-0:32 Loak is not to blame here at all, he ended up in the sea behind the reef because Aunun threw him there, but Loak still stood up for him so as not to be punished, Jake did not even listen and made Loak guilty, and he is not to blame.
Ao’nung?
Jake didn't exactly know the truth now did he?
@@justlikerunningabicycle3783 yes
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I think it’s pretty obvious that he was lying. He always stood up for that stupid clan, and he still punished his son. If you ask me he’s pretty fucking stupid.
Lo’ak decided to take the blame because he didn’t want to bring him shame
Poor Lo'ak 😢 I understand him so much
Yeah me too, Jake being very disrespectful towards his own kid
@@ajmartino1458 disrespectful??? Was he wrong to be upset??
@@ajmartino1458 lies
@@ajmartino1458 I liked the movie, but I didn't like how Jake was treated Lo'ak.
Lo'ak's heart was in the right place he just wanted to save Spider and Payakan. As Jake teaches them the Sullies stick together it's like when Tuk and Tseirya went back for Kiri Neteyam just had the misfortune to be shot. I hope they can somehow bring him back.
the way jake spoke to him after his brother died… that’s painful to hear
When Jake said “you are a disgrace to the family” to Lo’ak it probably crushed Lo’al heart so sad 😞
I think he said he brought shame to the family not that he was a disgrace but I may be wrong
@@cristiandeleon3238 you right
There’s a difference between shame and disgrace
Lo'ak's trauma would crush him since he has been facing this kind of verbal treatment from Jake for years. 😭😭
But Jake seen Lo'ak become the son he wanted him to be when he saved him along with Payakan. Jake let him know he was proud of him finally and saw he was right about Payakan.
I honestly don't know how to feel about Jake's parenting. We can clearly see that before the humans came back he was a super loving and caring father, Lo'ak and Neteyam didn't feel so on edge or such a degree to be absolutely perfect; then the humans came and he became much more of an authoritarian parent with harsh training/punishments and held his sons to a very high standard.
I understand why he did this, they were now living at war with the humans, so any miscommunication or goofing off could result in one of them, or the entire tribe dying. I just wish he still showed his son's that he was proud of how far they've come, because I honestly think that Neteyam didn't understand how much his dad really loved him, and I think Lo'ak will always have that fear lurking in the back of his mind that his father view's him as a disappointment.
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Perhaps now that neteyam is dead jake in the third one will start to show more love towards loak and make sure he knows that he isn't a disappointment. Honestly the reason all along jake kept getting mad at them was yeah because he was trying to protect them.
If your kid was being a daredevil and put themself in a battle zone wouldn’t you be upset at them like Jake was?
@@alexcrockett5665Yeah plus Lo’ak was breaking Jake’s rules and putting himself in danger. I think every parent would be like this if their kid did that. I still think Jake’s a better dad than Frank Heffley from Diary Of A Wimpy Kid
I wouldn't let my kids go into battle unless they were adults, training is fine, but children should be kept out of battle@@MustacheCashStash125.
I understand their circumstances, but it's common sense that children, especially teens, are going to do dumbass shit because it makes sense in their minds. Jake knows that Lo'ak is a daredevil that disobeys orders, why would you put such a risk into the battlefield where he endangers himself and others?
@@alexcrockett5665What do you think it would've been like if Neteyam didn't die 🤔
It's sad... the worst thing is that Lo'ak is actually very similar to Jake, even resembles him in character and appearance... and Jake treats him like a soldier. Jake was too...scared od his family destruction i think..
Exactly your correct
But I wish he was friendly like in the first movie-
@@CrazyManhog Right. I really liked Jake in the first movie. He was funny and nice. He wasn't afraid to fight. And now... well..
Jake treats him like that because he KNOWS that Lo'ak is exactly like him.
Jake was reckless, a smartass and made avoidable mistakes even in adulthood. Parents who were trouble as kids often try to steer their own kids away from making the same stupid decisions and they tend to be harder on them. Rightfully so, sometimes. But it comes from a place of love, truly.
@NightOwl Nadia Again that's how it was back then and people took it like nothing
nowdays people can't do shit anymore
Lo'ak actually had fault in a lot of this (which justifies Jake being so hard on him) but he's still just a kid after all.
Including being called a demon and a mistake?
@@subzerofromny735 jake never called him a demon or a mistake.
@@Maggien3 the metkaina did. Especially the wife when she said Lo’ak had “demon blood” and that eywa failed
@@Maggien3 also didn’t wasn’t the last thing Jake said to Lo’ak that he’s a disgrace to the family?
@@subzerofromny735 ok but that wasn’t jake. the comment was about jake😭
*walks up to him*
Jake: THATS ENOUGH 😠😕🙂
*grabs his arm*
Loak got his ass beat
i want to hug him :(
It’s pretty sad since Lo’ak is trying really hard to make his father proud, but due to his lack of better judgement it makes things worse. He’s a bit confused, but his heart is in the right place.
He did in the end Lo'ak became the son Jake wanted him to be and he was proud of him finally.
you have done enough scene was wild
Yeah that was like the ultimate insult to your child reminds me of Mufassa telling Simba 'Simba I am very disappointed in you'
0:24
This was the only time I think Jake was going too far with his strictness on Lo'ak.
Like, dude, I agree he should stop getting himself into trouble, but you could've said said something better than that...
Parents just be saying shit when they’re mad💀
He seen him become the son he wanted him to be in the end. He was finally proud of him.
Yeah. Jake still isn’t great with words towards his kids. I noticed that throughout the movie (what also annoyed me a LOT was that neither he nor Neytiri really defended Kiri and Lo’ak when Ronal called them literal demons). Also the “No, you’ve done enough.” right after Neteyam died. That comment crushed him, you could see it in his face. Lo’ak was not to blame for Neteyam’s death, but he does blame himself, looking at his brother’s blood on his hands, and then Jake basically said he blames him too.
Poor kid.
I agree. That was an extremely cruel and insensitive remark for a father to say to his son. He could've literally just said he was disappointed in him or that they'll talk later. Telling your child that they're an embarrassment to the family is how you walk in on them hanging from a ceiling.
Poor lo’ak jake gives nothing but trouble all this time
He’s really just trying to protect him even tho it seems like he’s not
Lo’ak was not listening and kept putting him and his siblings in trouble. They were a t war and jake was just tryna protect them.
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@@Maggien3 But this is not the right way. Lo'ak seen himself like a shit, a failure and a disgrace. He didn't help him for nothing in this way.
@@Nomorevideos-f5p Yes, actually he used the wrong way.
That's not the Jake I know. The real Jake would've been a better father.
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I feel bad for Lo'ak
Me too
Jake: you’re grounded no flying for a month
Me: boy I’m pretty sure you can’t even count a month there ain’t no calendars on Pandora
Jake: *"No flying for a month."*
Also Jake: *Leaves the next day with his family while flying the ikran-*
Edit: *"Wow,thanks for 100 likesss!!"*
I think that was Neteyam, Lo’ak was with Kiri, Spider and Tuk
@@loganwinters8086 No it was Lo'ak
The creature is called Ikran. But Yes the all fly in less then a month's time.
@@julkasteven8198 thanks for correcting me😅😇
He was probably referring to flying for personal leisure
It's like when you get grounded as a kid and you can't leave home except for school
I feel bad that he’s treated like that while Neteyam is the golden child
I really find that Golden Child and Loser Child a bit annoying in media sometimes.
Neteyam was like the winner and Lo'ak was the loser.
What was even more annoying was that nothing aside from Lo’aks comments really suggested that Neteyam was the supposed golden child. We’re to assume that he learned the ways of the Omaticaya quicker than the average kid, and that Lo’ak was a bit slower in learning, but the two have a regular sibling relationship, and Jake and Neytiri only seem to be mad at Lo’ak when he gets people in danger because of his impulsive nature (Jake and Neytiri do execute this so poorly that I do understand that it makes Lo’ak think that he’s just a disappointment altogether because of who he is).
Lo’ak : Disobeys Jake
Jake : Scolds him about it
Lo’ak : Why do you hate me so much!?!?!?!?
half of it wasn’t even his fault jake’s parenting just suck, he treats them like soldiers and not children and gets shocked they make mistakes
"your grounded no flying for a month" that's called a real grounded
That is on point mate 😂
Jake is a great dad, if youre not hard on your kids when u need to be, its going to reflect when they get older. And other people have mentioned this but... they are in a dangerous environment. Thats just my opinion.
I always kinda felt bad for lo'ak, he was always trying to live up to his brother and I feel like Jake was kinda hard on him bc he reminded him of himself
Lo'ak's heart was in the right place but he was just a rebellious kid abs wanted prove himself. Jake didn't mean to be hard on him he just didn't want him to make the same mistakes he did when he was young.
If you actually think about it the entire plot only progresses because of Lo'ak's mistakes he's the reason spider was kidnapped and also the reason his brother died
That last clip where Lo'ak wanted to go with his father, & Jake just brushes him off. Honestly that was uncalled for. Jake's behavior in that clip is just downright mean.
True but he was just angry but Jake did see him become the son he wanted him to be when Lo'ak saved him and let him know he was proud of him. Jake realised Neteyam's death was not his fault and seen he was right about Payakan.
I wish this included the where Lo'ak was a bit too far away so Jake was like, "GET HERE! 😡😡"
Dang, if I wanted to immerse myself in constantly disappointing my dad - I would've just stayed home.
Lo'ak... you dishonor me!
Quaritch be like : And people say i'm a horrible father.
Yes, parenting is tough.
I hated how Lo’ak never put his foot down with his parents especially Jake. Neteyam was made to be the golden child and the future chief while his daughters never got in trouble. “You’ve brought shame to this family” and “you’ve done enough.” to me is something you say to a soldier, not a son.
Y’all are way too soft
Jake didn't mean to be hard on them he just didn't want them to make the mistakes he did. But he saw a change in Lo'ak in the end and was finally proud of him.
@@dynahvelvixin.8615 Yeah, I hope we get to see Jake being proud of his son in the next movie.
@@masterdrake43 I say we will as Jake finally became proud of him after he saved him.
@@masterdrake43 He even saw that he was right about Payakan but I do hope they can bring Neteyam back somehow Kiri maybe the key.
I was a little mad at Jake treating Lo'ak like that but I was mad at Lo'ak as well bcs things he does can turn into accidents or even worse, someone will die. In the end, it causes Neteyam's death.
Lo'ak heart was in the right place he just wanted to save Spider and Payakan. But in war things happen Tuk wanted to go back and get Kiri the Sullies stick together and Spider was also their brother Neteyam's death was on the guy who shot him.
I honestly was a little mad at him too when I first saw it in theaters.
@@masterdrake43 But things like this happen in war like I said he oy wanted to save Spider but it was the guy who shot Neteyam caused his death. I so hope they bring Neteyam back somehow Kiri maybe the key with her connection to Ewya.
Well, he didn't want to abandon Spider again, like they had done in the forest because they're basically brothers- and Lo'ak and Kiri are the only people who really care about him. Lo'ak knew he'd be the only one to warn Payakan because he was an outcast. Lo'ak knew he'd be the only way both of his honorary brothers could be saved.
I mean it was Neteyam's choice to go with Lo'ak. Plus they could not leave Spider( he should of died tbf)
“Name me Charlie” had me dying
He says Lima Charlie as in Loud and Clear.
@@lovealegria what does that mean?
@@Still_theBaddest_561 Lima Charlie is a military code for "I understood / heard you" (Lima = Loud, Charlie = Clear). Since Jake was military and his sons are raised as soldiers (or warriors depending on how you wanna see it) he would use shorthand to communicate. It is all over the movie from the Sir (instead of dad) to the "send your traffic" which means "what do you have to say / what do you have to report".
@@lovealegria thank you
Jake - what you say to me 😡
I know his situation. Just teenager’s things 😢 but Jake is his parent tho …
Jake is a bad dad
Jacob better count his f###ing blessings that Lo'ak didn't leave him to die on that ship.
He should have.
I can feel the daddy issues in the comments lol
lo'ak didn't help his own case, he did a lot of stuff that guaranteed Jake being mad. Jake could have chosen better words too but Lo'ak giving attitude to Ronal and Tonowari back then like ??? Why?.
Cuz Tonowari was wrong lmao.
@@controlman7490 not entirely wrong because in the law of the tulkun he is indeed a murderer but the story he told, yes it was wrong. Even if the story he told was wrong there was no need to give them attitude like that
@Kimy Hotsuin So.....like I said Tonowari was wrong. Payakan wasn't evil as he claimed.
@@controlman7490 ahh yes indeed. He wasn't evil
Tonowari was a hypocrite. Fighting is against the rules, unless we do it. That was his logic by the end of the movie.
These moments made me want to going inside of my TV and punch Jake right in the face and give Lo’ak a big hug and a bit of compassionate advice.
Jake has to be the worst dad ever I hate it when parents favourite the oldest child and be hard on the youngest.
You forgot when he said "get that crap off your face"
Parenting is complicated 🤷♀️
I believe you lo'ak
He didn't say boys at the start, he said fall in
Jake was literally screaming loak the entire movie 🤣
Am I the only one who feels like Loak gets the least love? 😔💔
0:26 Well that was harsh and very disrespectful for what Jake said to Lo’ak
Why he grab him like that😭
Cause he was talking about the tulcun he made friends with & Tanawari wasn’t having any of it so Jake just pulled him out😂
So Tanawari couldnt jump on him
Lo’ak brought shame Jake? What about you? You choose to run like a coward and abandoned the forest people
Wish we could’ve seen more of Neteyam. But his death made sense cause a series isn’t good or as realistic if main characters don’t die especially when it’s a war series. Cause his death is supposed to be so heartbreaking and brutal cause he’s the firstborn child of Jake and Neytiri and his death makes Neytiri finally snap and have complete hatred for humans cause she lost her sister, Father and now her firstborn child to humans.
He deserved a bit better
Jake: You’re grounded.
Me: Grounded?!
Jake: No flying for a month.
Me: A MONTH?!?!
That’s what I’m saying 😅
Father & Son😢💔
I thought this video would be longer
Yeah, 3 hours +-
That the reason I can't sit through the movie again, Jake seems to have such contempt for Lo'ak, I know he's not perfect, but he's still learning, makes me think if Lo'ak was killed and not his brother would they have shed any tears at all.
Yeah, like I get punishing your kids when it's needed and all- BUT. It seems like that instinct is overpowering his ability to show real affection and care for his sons.
Like he demands that Neteyam be Lo'ak's keeper of sorts, since he's the older brother, and he also just assumes that Lo'ak's to blame whenever something goes wrong.
He punished them during the raid before checking them for injuries, and isn't able to mince his harsh words around Lo'ak.
Like Jesus dude, when's the last time they got told that he loved them?
And Lo'ak finally saving Jake from sinking SeaDragon. How you like THAT, Mr. Sully? 😉
I feel like the family needs to work together happily and need to band together and save pandora and the ocean
The way of water connects all things
Jake anger
0:32 what did Lo’ak say?
"Lema charlie" means loud and clear its a military terminology
Exactly Jake is was in the Navy and so he is going to be tough on his family
@@CrazyManhog the marines actually.
As of 5 Feb 2023. Avatar 2 is the 3rd highest gloss film of all time !! 😊😊
This is very sad😭😭😭
Jake is actually the consciousness of their uncle transferred to the artificial body of their dad 🤯🤯🤯. Gotta go byeeeeeeeeeee
Technically, they’re Tom’s children too since identical twins share the same exact genes from both parents and not from other generations except for fingerprints
What...
You just said the opposite. The avatar body has Tom's DNA, but Jake's mind. Since they're twins Tom's DNA is also Jake's DNA.
Jake and Tommy were identical twins - they have the same DNA!
Did Jake say knot in your tail? What was Lo’ak response about Charlie? Was that military jargon?
Yup
Jake:”Anymore trouble, I’ll jerk a knot in your tail.”
Lo’ak:”Lima Charlie.” (Apparantly a military term which means ‘loud and clear’)
To be fair, the 1st one was justified cuz Loak dared Neteyam to follow him, and like Jake said he almost got his brother killed.
Wow, talk a good parenting
Jake: THINK LO'AK THINK
Daddy usses 😔 loak
To be honest Jake was too hard on Son and when Avatar 3 comes Jake will apologize to Lo'ak
Or Lo’ak will probably die as well and he’ll probably celebrate
How u sound
Please Lo'ak......it's wartime
it’s funny because Lo’ak in my opinion is impulsive and reckless like Jake 🫣
WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID, LO'AK! AND WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU! 😡
Pardon?
@@Vohotwikx_Te_Axii_Ayroite 0:15. 😡
Jake is the worst father of the History.
Many people who say Jake is a horrible person to his son. Unfortunately long ago that's how times were back then. The fathers used to treat there sons with pain and punishment the worst ways possible for them to be a man.
True
I dont even think he wanted Lo'ak to be a man by harsh treatment. Jake just wanted to keep his family safe while having the RDA at his tail for the entire time. His methods weren't the best but Lo'ak was a troublemaker and the entire opposite of Neteyam who always followed the rules his father made. So Neteyam rarely got into trouble though he was reprimanded sometimes for not being able to stop Lo'ak from doing dumb stuff.
They had to cause they didn’t exactly live in an environment like us. There were predators to humans as well as war. You had to mature quicker. It’s why so many got married at young ages and all that.
Your grounded no flying for a month 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lo'ak just need to listen
And jake needs to calm down and be a good dad
The first clip, He doesn't say "Boys" he says "Fall in".
It's army talk for "gather and listen."
If you would just listen to Loak!
If you just listen to Jake Neteyam would be alive!
@@mariarivadeneira3360 so is Lo’ak s fault and not the guy who’s been hunting the whole family. Next thing I know you’re gonna say Lo’ak should’ve been the one to die so you can have your little celebration
He didn’t try to talk
Jake couldn’t have gave him a second chance to go with him but no he made to many mistakes
Where can you find the full scene when Jake says “you’ve done enough?”
Jake acts like my dad
JACK SULLY : " Boyssss you're supposed to be spotters you spot bogeys when you call them in from a distance, you do understand that you almost got your brother killed
LO'AK : Yes sir
JACK SULLY : Listen you're grounded no flying for a month
LO'AK : dad you told me to make friends with these kids
JACK SULLY : You brought shame to this family any more trouble not in your tail you read me
LO'AK : Sure leave me Charlie... And I Want tô gostando with you
JACK SULLY : Até you serious, you have done enough
LO'AK : dad these??
0:00 He said fall in not boys
When I say this, I mean that Jake is not a bad father, and his reasons are vailed in some cases, but he obviously favored Neteyam than he did Lo'ak. And that he treats Lo'ak horribly.
He says "Fall in" not "Boyssss"
I wonder if Jake was like Lo'ak when he was that age?
You know when I do something for the right reason in the wrong way, my mom says she is proud of me for trying to do the right thing on my own. We sit down and talk about it on what to do next time. I know Jake is a soldier and is probably the only reason he only looks angry. But even when far from the war, he still treats Lo’ak like crap.
He is not the best father figure out there. Why James Cameron? Why?
Jajaajjajajaajajajajaj they grounded loak thats so funny bro.
Alex Mason? Is that you???
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I sympathize with Lo’ak, not that i was ever a trouble maker, but it always felt like everything I did was wrong, even when it wasn’t. I always felt like my younger sister was loved and favored more by my parents, the only one who ever showed they loved me unconditionally was my grandma. Most of the time Lo’ak didn’t know he was doing wrong until after the fact. The only time he knew he was in the wrong was when they dropped down and grabbed guns in the beginning. He defended kiri and his Tulkan friend, and he tried to make his brother understand him, even though Neteyam already does. 🥹😢😭
Why is he so mean?
You missed some scenes 😭 like the ‘ I see you’ 😢
I feel like Jake was too hard on Lo’ak, and I think the next film Jake will try to be less hard on him as he will realize he was wrong about him.
this is the main reason i don't like jake that much anymore
Sorry couldn’t be me ✌️
@@mariarivadeneira3360 its fine i know some people are really big fans this is MY opinion
@@karisworldgaming4832 Amazing. Everything you said was wrong. Lo'ak literally did nothing to help himself, sure the part where he got left alone out in the ocean wasn't his fault but he did get himself and his siblings into constant trouble. IN A WAR... Did you forget that important bit of information?
Jake wasn't abusive, it's called tough love.
@@karisworldgaming4832 shut up at least he wasn’t getting whoopings! jake was like that way for a reason and at the end loak was still alive, stand up it wasn’t abuse at all. jake was carrying everything on his shoulders including loak badness, that’s abuse.